Ali or Aisha

[profastian]

This is for all those who choose to call the 2 Hazrats and revere them. Ok, lets for the moment think that the 3 were true Khalifas of the Prophet, and should be revered as Ali never publicly condone them. But what about Aisha? It is recorded history that Ali hated Aisha. Aisha went to battle against Ali (This surely shows that she hated Ali. If you go to battle against someone then you surely that that person). So what is your position on Aisha. Do you revere her or Ali?

[murtaza2152]

Some Historical Proofs:

In Ahl'ul Sunnah's authority work Mawaddatul al Qurba page 32 by Sayyid 'Ali Hamdani, Chapter "Mawaddathul Saum" we read that:

"Hadhrath Ayesha narrates the Prophet said 'Allah asked me 'Whoever doesn't accept Ali's khilafath and rebels and fights him is a kaffir and will perish in the fire" Someone asked her "Why did you rebel and fight him?" She replied "I forgot this Hadith on the Day of the Battle of Jamal, I remembered it again when I returned to Basra and I asked for Allah's forgiveness, I don't think that I will be forgiven for this sin"

Some Proofs on Aaisha Hated Mola Ali AS:

'Ali Muttaqi al Hind in Kanz al-`ummal, Chapter 8 Kitab "Mawa azafee katheeya'thul taweela" records the testimony of Mola 'Ali (as):

Hadhrath Ali said, “Ayesha fought me because firstly being a woman she possessed a weak judgement and secondly she bore enmity towards me and it would open in the same way a pot is opened. She would have never fought anyone other than me in that way".


Sahih al Bukhari Volume 3 hadith 761

Ubaidullah bin 'Abdullah told me that 'Aisha had said, "When the Prophet became sick and his condition became serious, he requested his wives to allow him to be treated in my house, and they allowed him. He came out leaning on two men while his feet were dragging on the ground. He was walking between Al-'Abbas and another man." 'Ubaidullah said, "When I informed Ibn 'Abbas of what 'Aisha had said, he asked me whether I knew who was the second man whom 'Aisha had not named. I replied in the negative. He said, 'He was 'Ali bin Abi Talib."

Badr al Din Hanafi in "Umdah al Qari fi Sharh Sahih al Bukhari" Volume 2 page 740, Chapter 4 "Hud ul Mareez"- acknowledges that:

"Hadhrath Ayesha, could not bear hearing a good thing about 'Ali, and this is solid evidence of her being an enemy of Ali...
"Muammar narrates that Ayesha was never happy narrating anything good about 'Ali, Zuhri narrates that Ayesha did not possess the ability to say anything good of 'Ali".


The references for the above narration can be located in the following texts:
1. Musnad by Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, v6, pp 34,228
2. al-Tabaqat al-Kabir, by Ibn Sa'd, v2, part 2, p29
3. History of al-Tabari (Arabic), v1, pp 1800-1801
4. al-Ansab al-Ashraf, by al-Baladhuri, v1, pp 544-545

[sixfeetunder]

It is recorded history that Ali hated Aisha.

Hatred is one of the basest human qualities. Prophets, Imams, saints and mystics have conquered their base desires and float high in the lofty arena of spiritual tranquility. Ali is the father of mystics - 'peero ke peer'. He is the house of love. He is the one of the ahl-e-bayt. He is the father of the leaders of the youth of paradise. Hatred shies away from Ali. Ali has a huge heart. He respects ummul momineen after she is defeated in the battle and escorts her safely to Medina accompanied by Hasan, Husain and Muhammad ibn Abu Bakr.

[murtaza2152]

Proofs

In Rauzathul Ahbaab Volume 3 page 65, we read that:

"After the Battle of Jamal Imam 'Ali approached Hadhrath Ayesha and said 'You have treated me like an enemy'".

We also read in Rauzathul Ahbaab Volume 3 page 10 that:

"Ayesha was clouded by her hatred of 'Ali".

In Al Imama wal Siyasa Volume 1 page 45 we learn that:

"Following Uthman's murder Zubayr approached Ayesha in Makka and said 'Look they have made 'Ali Khalifa. She said, What right does 'Ali have to rule over our necks? I will not stay in Madina as long as 'Ali is in power".

Iqd al Fareed about Hadhrath Ayesha in Volume 2 page 232 "Dhikr Jamal":

"After the battle of Jamal a woman asked Ayesha "What shall be the punishment if I murder my infant children? To which Ayesha replied "The fire". The woman then asked "What is the punishment for a woman that kills twenty thousand of her offspring at one place?". Ayesha understood (the reason behind) the question and said "Apprehend this enemy of God".

Ayesha's happiness at the death of Sayyida Fatima (as)

We read in Sharh Nahj ul Balagha by Ibn al Hadid page 439 Chapter 2

"When the Prophets daughter died all the wives except Ayesha came to console Banu Hashim and she said that she was unwell and the message which she sent to Hadhrath Ali (as) clearly depicts her joy at this sad occasion".

[labbaikyaHussain]

"When the Prophets daughter died all the wives except Ayesha came to console Banu Hashim and she said that she was unwell and the message which she sent to Hadhrath Ali (as) clearly depicts her joy at this sad occasion".

after all aisha was daughter of abu bakar what else could be expected from her.

[ozmujaheed]

Ali's Caliphate
As mentioned previously, Ali accepted the caliphate very reluctantly. Uthman's murder and the events surrounding it were a symptom, and also became a cause, of civil strife on a large scale. All governors gave the pledge to Ali except Muawiya, the governor of Sham (Great Syria). Muawiya declined to obey until Uthman's blood was avenged. His decision was based on the fact that he is not required to obey the Caliph until he (Ali) is able to enforce the rule of Allah. Muawiya was the cuisine of 'Uthman, so he was the responsible of asking Ali to bring the murderers to trial. The Prophet's widow Aisha also took the position that Ali should first bring the murderers to trial. Due to the chaotic conditions during the last days of Uthman it was very difficult to establish the identity of the murderers, and Ali refused to punish anyone whose guilt was not lawfully proved.

The pretext for the meeting of the armies on the day of the Camel and the day of Siffin was the demand for `Uthman's killers on the part of `A'isha and Mu`awiya, but the winds of war were fanned by the followers of Abdullah bin Saba' the Jew, from inside all three camps until events escaped the control of the Companions. It is related that `Ali, `A'isha , and Mu`awiya often expressed astonishment at the dissension and opposition that surrounded them.

However, even though the era of Ali's caliphate was marred by civil strife, he nevertheless introduced a number of reforms, particularly in the levying and collecting of revenues.

It was the fortieth year of Hijra. A fanatical group called Kharijites, consisting of people who had broken away from Ali due to his compromise with Muawiya, claimed that neither Ali, the Caliph, nor Muawiya, the ruler of Syria, nor Amr bin al-Aas, the ruler of Egypt, were worthy of rule. In fact, they went so far as to say that the true caliphate came to an end with 'Umar and that Muslims should live without any ruler over them except God. They vowed to kill all three rulers, and assassins were dispatched in three directions. While `Ali, `A'isha , and Mu`awiya were all fighting in the cuase of Allah and did not want to shed any blood, Kharijites on the other side were dissenters who love to kill innocent Muslims. It is important to notice that there was no Sahaba at all in the army of Kharijites.

The assassins who were deputed to kill Muawiya and Amr did not succeed and were captured and executed, but Ibn-Muljim, the assassin who was commissioned to kill Ali, accomplished his task. One morning when Ali was absorbed in prayer in a mosque, Ibn-Muljim stabbed him with a poisoned sword. On the 20th of Ramadan, 40 A.H., died the great Companion. May God Most High be pleased with them and grant to them His eternal reward.

Conclusion
With the death of Ali, the first and most notable phase in the history of Muslim peoples came to an end. All through this period it had been the Book of God and the practices of His Messenger - that is, thc Qur'an and the Sunnah - which had guided the leaders and the led, set the standards of their moral conduct and inspired their actions. It was the time when the ruler and the ruled, the rich and the poor, the powerful and the weak, were uniformly subject to the Divine Law. It was an epoch of freedom and equality, of God-consciousness and humility, of social justice which recognized no privileges, and of an impartial law which accepted no pressure groups or vested interests.

After Ali, Muslims agreed to give the caliphate to Muawiya. Muawiya tried to continue on the same way as The Rightly-Guided Caliphs, but he was ruling a different generation of people.

Now about Aisha , what about Fatemas duaghter marrying Umar and their son one of the shaheed of Karbala

Prophet Muhammad had five children from his first wife Khadijah. One son, Al qasim died when he was still a baby, and four daughters: Zaynab, Ruqayah, Fatimah, and Om Kolthoom. The last child, a boy Abrahim was born 628 A.D. He was the only child born to the Prophet after Prophet Muhammad knew that he was to be a Messenger of God. His mother was Maria, an Egyptian whom the king of Egypt sent to Prophet Muhammad as a handmaid servant and Prophet Muhammad married her in 627.

Zaynab married her cousin Al'Ass Ibn Al-Rabeah. Zaynab had only one child who died as a baby. Zaynab died in 630 A.D.

Ruqayah was the wife of Othman Ibn affan. She had one boy who died possibly from an infection after a rooster pecked his eye. She died in 624 A.D. She died on the same day of the battle of Badr.

Om Kolthoom was also married to Othman after Ruqayah's death . She had no children. She died in 631 A.D.

Fatimah married Ali Ibn Aby Talib who was the cousin of the Prophet and who later became the fourth Calipha. He died in 662 A.D. They had two sons, Al-Hassan and Al-Hussein and one daughter Om Kolthoom. Fatimah died in 632 A.D.

Al-Hassan was seven years old, and Al-Huseein was six when Prophet Muhammad died in 632 A.D. The Prophet loved them very much. There were even some prophecies about them. Al-Hassan became Calipha in 662 A.D. He resigned after five months and passed his leadership to Mouawiah Ibn Aby Sofian. Prophet Muhammad Prophesied that a man named Muhammad Ibn Abdullah (Al-Mahdi), a descendant of Al Hassan, would one day work with the Prophet Jesus to kill the Anti-Christ and establish an Islamic state. Al-Hussein died in 682 A.D.

Most of Al-Hussein's children were killed in the wars. Only two children survived after Al-Hussein's death. The daughter of Fatimah, Om Kolthoom married Omar Ibn Al Khataab, the second Calipha. She had a boy named Zayd. Zayd fought along with his uncle Al-Hussein, in the battle of Karbellah. The descendants of Al-Hussein and Zayd still exist today. Fatimah died a few months after the death of Prophet Muhammad . The Prophet prophesied that Fatimah would be the first of his family to die after him, and it would be soon.

I am not interested in some half educated Abde or Prog trying to qualify the above but it is enough reason for me to avoid insulting any of the Prophets companios or relatives

http://islamicweb.com/?folder=history

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khuda ni laanat ali na dushmano par.

[progpigs]

@sixfeetunder

He respects ummul momineen after she is defeated in the battle and escorts her safely to Medina accompanied by Hasan, Husain and Muhammad ibn Abu Bakr.

in the prvs post.... battle is clearly defined by profastian

...If you go to battle against someone then you surely **that** ->hate*** that person). So what is your position on Aisha

soo it is clear (the hateness of aisha for Moula Ali).....

if MOULA ALI escorted her thts only coz Moula Ali told Aisha tht Prophet had given Ali the rigths to divorce any wife of Prophet!!! (thts how Prophet showed the SHAAN of MOULA ALI) and because of tht fear she HAD turn back!

And a bohra (reform or orthodox) none will deny this fact! unless ur frm a different sect! Even shia & sunni scholars are aware of this fact!! coz once i saw a debate about Aisha and Ali on AALIM ONLINE broadcasted on GEO hosted by Dr. Aamir Liaqat (a debate show btw shia sunni scholars)

chk on youtube for more info!!

[ozmujaheed]

should we be saying lanaat on shias for distorting the Islamic history
if shias know the kharahjites killed Ali why don't they get it ?

[Muslim First]

Dukkar wrote

if MOULA ALI escorted her thts only coz Moula Ali told Aisha tht Prophet had given Ali the rigths to divorce any wife of Prophet!!! (thts how Prophet showed the SHAAN of MOULA ALI) and because of tht fear she HAD turn back!

Dukkar
You are a moran and whoever taught you this is Moran.

[ghulam muhammed]

The Ahl al-Sunnah and Jama'a (Muslims who follow the right creed) prefer not to talk about what happened between the companions of the Prophet (Sallallahu Alaihi wa Sallam). They do not criticize any of them because they believe that all of them were seeking the truth. So those who were right got two rewards while those who were wrong got only one reward.

But since the history books are full of wrong and false information that degrade these honoured companions and describe what happened between them as a personal and worldly conflict, we find it necessary to give an accurate account with sound information about the battle of camel and what pushed the noble companions to fight internally.

First, allegiance was pledged to Ali (a.s.) just after the murder of Uthman (r.a.). Ali (a.s.) did not like to be the successor of Uthman . So, he refused this mission, but he was pressured and urged by the companions to accept to carryout this responsibility. He said: "I lost my reason when I heard the murder of Uthman and I denied myself. They came to me for allegiance. I said: 'By Allah! I feel ashamed of Allah to accept the allegiance of people who killed a man to whom the Prophet (s.a.w.) said: "Shouldn't I become shy of a man whom the angels are ashamed of" and while Uthman is murdered and is still lying on the ground and has not yet been buried. They left until after the burial. They came to me again and asked me to accept their allegiance. I said: O Allah! Indeed I am anxious and afraid of what I am about to undertake. Then a group came and pledged allegiance. They said: 'O leader of believers!! It was as if my heart was stricken. Then I said: 'O Allah! Take from me and give to Uthman until you are pleased" . Reported by al-Hakim who said it was sound and that it fits the conditions of soundness set by al-Bukhari and Muslim and al-Dhahbi also think, that it is sound.


http://www.islamweb.net/emainpage/index ... d&Id=84846

[ghulam muhammed]

One of the most common lies in regards to Aisha (r.a.) is that she left her house to fight Ali (a.s.) in the Battle of the Camel. This lie has been propagated so many times by the Shia scholars that people have started to think of this as fact. In the words of Ibn Khaldum: "The more a supposed 'incident' becomes popular, the more a network of unfounded tales and stories is woven around it."

The truth is that both Umm Al Mumineen (Mother of the Believers) Aisha (r.a.) and Amir Al Mumineen (Commander of the Believers) Ali (a.s.) were innocent of the Fitnah during the Battle of the Camel (al-Jamal). The real culprits who instigated the Battle of the Camel were the Shia, who have historically been the cause of much Fitnah.

Let us see what Al-Tijani, the popular Shia scholar and writer, has to say on the issue. Al-Tijani says:

"We may ask a few questions about the war of al-Jamal, which was instigated by Umm al-Mumineen Aishah, who played an important role in it.how could Aishah allow herself to declare war on the caliph of the Muslims, Ali Ibn Abi Talib, who was the master of all Muslims? As usual, our scholars, with some simplicity, answer us that she did not like Imam Ali because he advised the Messenger of Allah to divorce her in the incident of al-Ifk." (Then I was Guided, p. 117)

This is a blatant lie; the Shia scholars would have us believe that the entire Battle of the Camel was over "hurt feelings" and was more of a soap opera gone awry then anything else, in which a vengeful woman was hurt and she got hundreds of people to fight over this. This is nothing but a fairy-tale fit for Lifetime TV, and it does not withstand objective historical analysis.

Nahjul Balagha, Sermon 191
Ali says to his Shia:

"You should know that you have again reverted to the position of the [pagan] Bedouin Arabs after immigration to Islam, and have become different Shias after having been once united. You do not possess anything of Islam except its name, and know nothing of belief save its show. You would throw down Islam on its face in order to defame its honor and break its pledge for brotherhood which Allah gave you as a sacred trust on His earth and a source of peace among the people.You have broken the shackles of Islam, have transgressed its limits, and have destroyed its commands!"

Nahjul Balagha, Sermon 91
When people decided to swear allegiance at Amir al-mu'minin's hand after the murder of Uthman, Ali said:

"Leave me and seek someone else. We are facing a matter which has (several) faces and colors, which neither hearts can stand nor intelligence can accept. Clouds are hovering over the sky, and faces are not discernible. You should know that if I respond to you, I would lead you as I know and would not care about whatever [anyone else] may say. If you leave me, then I am the same as you are. It is possible I would listen to and obey whosoever you make in charge of your affairs. I am better for you as a counsellor than as chief."

[source: http://www.al-islam.org/nahjul/91.htm]


At first, Ali (a.s.) refused to be Caliph. However, he eventually accepted the position and became Amir Al Mumineen. Upon his announcement as Caliph, there was a large grumbling from people who accused Ali (a.s.) of being an accomplice in the murder of Uthman (r.a.), since it was well known that it was an element of the Shia't Ali who were responsible for the seige of Uthman's house. This accusation made against Ali (a.s.) is recorded in Sermon 22 of Nahjul Balagha which is titled "About those who accused Ali of Uthman's killing."

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