What have the Progs accomplished afterall?....Nothing

[aqs]

الأخ حسين،

سأكون سعيدا جدا لالحصول على هذه الكتب. هل هي في شكل پي. دي. إف.؟

أعتقد أن لديك بالفعل عنوان أنا أرسلت لك من قبل. الرجاء ارسال لها هناك.

شكرا جزيلا

أخ

إذا كان يمكنك كتابة باللغة الانكليزية بعد ذلك سوف يوفر الكثير من الجهد بالنسبة لنا جميعا لنسخ لصق نفسه في جوجل ترجمة لفهم.

شكرا

[aqs]

I disagree with you brother. Although a bohra will not stand beside you in public but in closed doors they will very much agree with the dai's complicity with regard to the sorry state of affairs in the community. The fear psychosis prevents them from coming out in the open.

Br. GM,

behind closed doors also a Bohra will never utter a single word against Syedna(tus) or listen to it. you can blame any one and we will agree with a pinch of salt but against Syedna(tus) its blasphemy to us. you will immediately alienate whatever support you would have gathered till that time.

[aqs]

أخ

إذا كان يمكنك كتابة باللغة الانكليزية بعد ذلك سوف يوفر الكثير من الجهد بالنسبة لنا جميعا لنسخ لصق نفسه في جوجل ترجمة لفهم.

شكرا

Brothers Aqs and Porus,

Can you please translate what you have written!

I'm afraid my Arabic is not up to the mark at all

try google translate

[profastian]

أخ

إذا كان يمكنك كتابة باللغة الانكليزية بعد ذلك سوف يوفر الكثير من الجهد بالنسبة لنا جميعا لنسخ لصق نفسه في جوجل ترجمة لفهم.

شكرا

How else can he show off his Arabic proficiency

[Hussain_KSA]

Oh brother Porus,

By the way I have scanned both the volumes of (دعايم الاسلام) and (تأويل الدعائم ) beside other books in Arabic. I would like to share it with you.

Regards.

الأخ حسين،

سأكون سعيدا جدا لالحصول على هذه الكتب. هل هي في شكل پي. دي. إف.؟

أعتقد أن لديك بالفعل عنوان أنا أرسلت لك من قبل. الرجاء ارسال لها هناك.

شكرا جزيلا

Brother Porus,

yes all the books are in PDF. Some files are more than 15mb. I am trying to reduce its resolution. I have to send it one book in one mail. I will start sending you from today inshallah. I am writing this in english so others will not comment and they won't have to try google translate. Any other members of this forum who want this books in Arabic can contact me.

[master.b00t]

Syedna And All Abdes Accomplisshed Many Things.


(1) syedna ane badhaj abdes e self-respect gumaavel chhe.

(2) syedna ane badhaj abdes e soul darkness create kari lidhi chhe.

(3) syedna ane badhaj abdes liers thay gaya chhe.

(4) paiso maro paramishwar ane hu paisa no das.

(5) egostic ,mithya abhimaani thai gaya chhe.

(6) dharm na naame paiso bhego karwano business chhe.

(7) bija ni milkat ane paiso hadap kari javani niti policy chhe.

(8) ghulam banavava ni technique ijjad kareli chhe.

SELF-RESPECTLESS SHAME SHAME SHAME.......

[stranger]

Stranger, your love for Dai should not be blind. If you really love and care about your dai then you should do something to end the misdeeds which you think are being perpetrated in his name. "Loving my dai" is an empty statement. How do express that love? By closing you eyes and minds to all the bad things that are happening in the community? Love can be a powerful force if only you understood its real meaning.

Kaka Akela's response to your post is apt. Parents have to take responsibility - to some extent - for the behaviour of their children.

Right, many people come to this forum and some do get put off by the strong language against the Sayedna and the mafia clergy. This is the nature of an open and free forum. But, as porus says, if you take out the "emotional charge" that some of us display here, most Bohras would agree with the reformist agenda - which is not against the dai but against the mafia clergy. And most Bohras understand this. Only a few abdes with "blind love" and ulterior motive make such a big issue of it.

1.) Yes. . . I agree that authorities nowadays are toying with public in the name of dai but i wonders how to deal with it..At the max, i can do is avoid following and obeying any such crap.
2.) My love is based on 5 letter word : FAITH..Reformist raised questions in his deeds but I keep faith in his move..Watsoever, He has done, doing or going to do, will be in favour of his community and children only.

He must be aware of the situation and who knows he must have taken steps also but can you control each and every person and their act in personal ?
In school, you need qualified teacher to run it and those teachers can be good or bad on humanity level,
greedy or monarch. .but since they are qualified and knowledgeable you still need them to teach ur students and guide them...so as the case with today's Aamils and common bohra..but still good peoples r always there.
but becoz of increasing power and wealth in the community, more mangoes going rotten day by day


yes..most of the bohra will get agree on agenda of reformist but sometimes in order to justify or prove urself, you are even fogettting our base identity ie. Dawoodi bohra. To make a common bohra understand that you are not againts Dai but your stand is againts the unjustified activities going on in community, you need to express yourself in that way. Browsing your forums and post, anybody can lead to conclusion that you ultimately believes that sydena is culprit and master mind behind all the stuffs.

[stranger]

I disagree with you brother. Although a bohra will not stand beside you in public but in closed doors they will very much agree with the dai's complicity with regard to the sorry state of affairs in the community. The fear psychosis prevents them from coming out in the open.

Nope, they will not..may be few like you will, but no. is v.minimal..There is a difference between love and fear...
agreed, fear can let a bohra remain silent on what you said above, but it is love that makes lakhs of bohra gathers to just have his single glimpse, which make leave their business and travel miles to just hear him.

[labbaikyaHussain]

I have a idea to litmus test how many bohras really loves syedna and comes to see him or to hear him....


"just cut off all kind of jaman and all kind of accomodations provided to people" and see how many remains in the fold and comes so far in the name of faith.

[Hussain_KSA]

Brother Porus

Please check your pm .

Regards

[stranger]

I have a idea to litmus test how many bohras really loves syedna and comes to see him or to hear him....

just cut off all kind of jaman and all kind of accomodations provided to people and see how many remains in the fold and comes so far in the name of faith.

Labbaik,
thou I am stranger but It was really strange to hear this from you.
Neway,
I think, u hv also gone thru some kind of litmus test, dats y started behaving like a chameleon now.

[stranger]

I have a idea to litmus test how many bohras really loves syedna and comes to see him or to hear him....


"just cut off all kind of jaman and all kind of accomodations provided to people" and see how many remains in the fold and comes so far in the name of faith.

Now sincere reply to your idiotic post.
Nothing is more comfortable than being at home, instead of traveling miles away via bus, train, etc. and the money, which one is spending in traveling and reaching there, is enough to get food in any decent restaurent. but certainly we find deedar of our spiritual father more worthy and relaxing.
Moron, its nothing to do with food and accomodation.

[profastian]

Nothing is more comfortable than being at home, instead of traveling miles away via bus, train, etc. and the money, which one is spending in traveling and reaching there, is enough to get food in any decent restaurent.

Counter that

[anajmi]

Democracy anyone??

[ghulam muhammed]

Nothing is more comfortable than being at home, instead of traveling miles away via bus, train, etc. and the money, which one is spending in traveling and reaching there, is enough to get food in any decent restaurent. but certainly we find deedar of our spiritual father more worthy and relaxing.

Bro stranger,

Now suppose that for the next muharrum vayez the dai says "This year the muharrum vayez will be held at the sahara desert under the sun and on the hot sands to refresh the memories of the great shohadas who sacrificed their lives for the cause of Islam on the hot deserts of karbala and under the scorching heat. Bohras will have to stay in tents and get one for themselves as the shohadas had camped in tents for 10 days. The salawat will be on one nankhatai so that we remember the hunger and thirst of the shohadas"......... Its anyones guess the number of bohras one would see during that vayez.... they will vanish like "ghade ke sar pe se singh".

[progticide]

Important Note:

This is for all sincere mainstream Dawoodi Bohras; please note that there is a very strong possibility that many participants on this forum are writing posts pretending to be mainstream Dawoodi Bohras but are actually these progs who want others to believe that they are mainstream guys. The volte -face you see is nothing new; by doing so they are trying to project the perception that many mainstream followers are getting influenced with the prog ideology and are moving into the reformist fold. This is a childish attempt by these progs to think that the mainstream DBs dont know this misdemeanour of these progs.
Just be careful about such attempts and dont accept everything on face value. If your faith is pure and strong no such attempt by these stupid progs would prove successful.

[progticide]

Democracy anyone??

touche

you got me there Bro

Stop calling these progs your Brother unless you are one of them; I have been following your posts closely and have serious doubts about your credentials. You wont take any offence if you are a sincere mainstream fellow, because every mainstream DB on this forum is aware of the illusions and pitfalls especially when one is in the enemy territory.

I request all mainstream DBs to be careful about this gentlemen and observe his posts in detail. I hope I am wrong on this, but primafacie we have to exercise caution with this person.

[guy_sam2005]

I have a idea to litmus test how many bohras really loves syedna and comes to see him or to hear him....


"just cut off all kind of jaman and all kind of accomodations provided to people" and see how many remains in the fold and comes so far in the name of faith.

Try it and still see....jaman feature was added because it was needed..or else mumin would even wait hungry for weeks just to have a glimpse of moula(tus).................

[Humsafar]

Important Note:

This is for all sincere mainstream Dawoodi Bohras; please note that there is a very strong possibility that many participants on this forum are writing posts pretending to be mainstream Dawoodi Bohras but are actually these progs who want others to believe that they are mainstream guys. The volte -face you see is nothing new; by doing so they are trying to project the perception that many mainstream followers are getting influenced with the prog ideology and are moving into the reformist fold. This is a childish attempt by these progs to think that the mainstream DBs dont know this misdemeanour of these progs.
Just be careful about such attempts and dont accept everything on face value. If your faith is pure and strong no such attempt by these stupid progs would prove successful.

Brother progticide, is that the best you can come up with? When you run out of argument to defend the indefensible you resort to conspiracy. With your high intellect and deep thinking we thought you would dazzle us lowly reformists. But you turned out be not better than the incoherent, confused and semi-literate abdes who come here.

If this were not enough, you have the gumption to advice abdes not be nice to reformists. Are these the kind of life's lessons you learn at the feet of your beloved clergy?

mustafanalwala, I'm glad that you've decided to stick to your humanity. You seem to know more about true religion (the oneness of all beings) than all the progticides put together. So long as there are people like you in the "mainstream" there is still hope. Keep it up.