Progressive Believes

[profastian]

What is the general belief of the proggies about heaven and hell. What quality should a person possess to go to heaven. Does only the deeds of the person matter? Would a very pious Hindu(polytheist) go to heaven? Would a very pious Christian(monotheist) go to heaven? Would a 3 loving Sunni go to heaven? Do you believe that the faith in Imamat and Waliyat of the Imam is a necessity for heaven? If someone hates the DAI-uz-Zaman (as most of you do) and loves the Imam, will he/she go to heaven?

[Conscíous]

What is the general belief of the proggies about heaven and hell. What quality should a person possess to go to heaven. one should follow the sunnah of syedna saheb & is guaranteed heaven.. Does only the deeds of the person matter? No. . Allah is very strict about beard & dress-code.. Would a very pious Hindu(polytheist) go to heaven? we know, all you abdes are worried about your protector & syedna saheb's bestfreind, Narendra Modi.. Yes, he will be granted a place in heaven for saving, you hypocrites.. Would a very pious Christian(monotheist) go to heaven? Yes, even the dictator of kenya, Mwai Kibaki is going to heaven, with the blessing of our dai.. Would a 3 loving Sunni go to heaven? Yes, but they be in a different part of heaven.. Do you believe that the faith in Imamat and Waliyat of the Imam is a necessity for heaven? faith in what??If someone hates the DAI-uz-Zaman (as most of you do) and loves the Imam, will he/she go to heaven? For sure.. and this part of heaven is going to be heavily occupied

so pack your bags, were all going to heaven

[ghulam muhammed]

Would a very pious Hindu(polytheist) go to heaven? Would a very pious Christian(monotheist) go to heaven? Would a 3 loving Sunni go to heaven?

According to bohra faith the above mentioned category of people are 'Kafirs' and hence they are destined for hellfire but they conveniently forget the fact that to call someone a kafir is a very big sin because we, the normal human beings are not capable of reading their hearts or knowing their iman as Allah (swt) is the knower of all and we have no right to judge anyone else, it is for Allah (swt) to decide.

Does only the deeds of the person matter?

This reminds me of a quote from syedna's vayez many years back wherein he had stated " Nabi (s.a.w.) ye aapni pyari beti Fatema-tus-zohra (a.s.) ne keedhu ke 'Ae beti, tame e ghuman ma na rahte ke Allah (swt) tamne sawal nahi kare, tamara AMAL tamara saath aawse".

[profastian]

This reminds me of a quote from syedna's vayez many years back wherein he had stated " Nabi (s.a.w.) ye aapni pyari beti Fatema-tus-zohra (a.s.) ne keedhu ke 'Ae beti, tame e ghuman ma na rahte ke Allah (swt) tamne sawal nahi kare, tamara AMAL tamara saath aawse".

We should learn the art of quoting things out of context from you. Please provide the context for this quote. If by AMAL here you mean sins, then Fatema never sinned.

[aqs]

that to call someone a kafir is a very big sin because we, the normal human beings are not capable of reading their hearts or knowing their iman as Allah (swt) is the knower of all and we have no right to judge anyone else, it is for Allah (swt) to decide.

Br.
we have been crying hoarse that its only Allah who can decide and no one else, but nevertheless it should settle the matter for Progs and their sympathisers who are in habit of calling each and every one a Kaafir who does not toe their line.

This reminds me of a quote from syedna's vayez many years back wherein he had stated " Nabi (s.a.w.) ye aapni pyari beti Fatema-tus-zohra (a.s.) ne keedhu ke 'Ae beti, tame e ghuman ma na rahte ke Allah (swt) tamne sawal nahi kare, tamara AMAL tamara saath aawse".

are you sure you heard this in Syedna(tus) waez, because this is what Sunni's say and i have never heard any one including Syedna(tus) doing this bayan.

[anajmi]

it would be wrong to call a Hindu, a Christian or any one else a Kaafir because they follow their own faith and their God tells them what is right, just like Allah tells us what is right

Allah says in the Quran that there is only one God. Everything else is a false God. If you choose not to believe that, then you are a disbeliever in what Allah is telling you already.

[ghulam muhammed]

If by AMAL here you mean sins, then Fatema never sinned.

'Amal' means 'Deeds' and not sin, by the way which dumb person on this forum ever said that Fatema-tus-zehra (a.s.) ever committed sin ? You see, you are the one who is quoting out of context.

[progticide]

Breaking News!!!

Our sources have just informed us that The Central Board of dawoodi Bohra community (CBDBC) has passed a resolution that all progs shall be sent to their Heaven irrespective of their subclasses (Wahhabi/Sunni sympathisers included). They are required to gather at Niagara falls for ritual purification and then directly ascending to their Heaven. This mass ascension to the heaven shall be lead by Insaf & Asghar Engineer and the Vida prayer shall be performed under the Imamate of Adeeb. All progs are hereby instructed to collect all their material belongings as well as people & family (including those who are dead should be dug out from their graves, those who are not progs but sympathise with their cause can also be taken along). Not a trace of any prog should be left behind since everything is permitted for them to be taken along to their heaven.

Important Note:A copy of this resolution should be compulsorily pasted on the every prog face, prog house and prog institution.

Good News: Enough seats available in the transport to Heaven to ensure every prog/reformist is taken away and no one gets left behind.

[profastian]

If by AMAL here you mean sins, then Fatema never sinned.

'Amal' means 'Deeds' and not sin, by the way which dumb person on this forum ever said that Fatema-tus-zehra (a.s.) ever committed sin ? You see, you are the one who is quoting out of context.

So if Fatima never committed sin, then what is the point of the (alleged)Prophet's saying to her?

[anajmi]

Oh yeah, its what GM said, that to call someone Kaafir because their religion teaches them differently, is an even bigger sin, because it is upto God to decide.

Yes, he decided and put it down in a book for all to read and then sent a prophet (saw) who made it clear what kind of people are mushriks and what kind of people are munafiqs.

are you trying to pick a fight with me? Cause i already told you that this is to be taken in a light vein.

Well, then take it in a light vein!!

And personally, if you ask me, last time i checked, we lived in a democracy where everyone has a right to speak their mind.

Right. And I can speak my mind too.

The question is not what others believe. The question is what you believe. If you believe that what the others believe is right, then you have disbelieved in the Quran. You are old enough to understand that right?

Now, you might be forgiven for ignorance if you have no clue what the Quran says for never having read it with understanding. So if you haven't, then go read it.

[anajmi]

My only contention now is that we, honestly, are no one to decide if there is one God or many, i guess the world would be equally divided on it.

Which is what makes you a disbeliever in the Quran. And so what does that make you? You guessed it!!!

Personally, I'm a believer in a supreme being too. my only argument was that just cause others believe that there is more than one God does not automatically make them sinners, destined for Hell.

That is a condition set by the Quran. You may choose to believe it or not. If you believe it, then you are muslim, if you don't then you are a kafir.

Now, whether you want to call the one God Allah, God, Ahura Mazda or the Supreme Being is really a matter of semantics.

I cannot call the one God anything other than what is specified in the Quran.

you are entitled to your view that except us muslims,

Except us muslims???? Are you still considering yourself to be a muslim?

[anajmi]

i, in my heart, know that my belief in Allah and Maula, as limited as it may be, is true. and nothing you say or feel can change it.

How can that be when at the same time you do not believe what the Quran is telling you?

[profastian]

If Kafirs (polytheists) don't go to heaven, then what about the ones who don't have any chance but to be kafirs. A person born in the Amazonian rain forest or deep in the African jungles belonging to a sun worshipping tribe would have no notion of God as we know it. Would he go to hell too? Wouldn't it be against the Adal of God that he gave him no chance?

I would be very interested to hear the progressive views as well the numerous Sunni/Wahabis on this forum.

[anajmi]

profastian,

Can you ask this question to your Maula and illuminate us with his response?

[SBM]

postby profastian on Thu May 12, 2011 2:34 pm
If Kafirs (polytheists) don't go to heaven, then what about the ones who don't have any chance but to be kafirs. A person born in the Amazonian rain forest or deep in the African jungles belonging to a sun worshipping tribe would have no notion of God as we know it. Would he go to hell too? Wouldn't it be against the Adal of God that he gave him no chance?

I would be very interested to hear the progressive views as well the numerous Sunni/Wahabis on this forum.

Can you ask this question in one of your secret SABAKS and let us know( if you are allowed to disclose). I like to know what is Kothar's view and specially if they have no one to hold hands and take them to Jannat

[profastian]

postby profastian on Thu May 12, 2011 2:34 pm
If Kafirs (polytheists) don't go to heaven, then what about the ones who don't have any chance but to be kafirs. A person born in the Amazonian rain forest or deep in the African jungles belonging to a sun worshipping tribe would have no notion of God as we know it. Would he go to hell too? Wouldn't it be against the Adal of God that he gave him no chance?

I would be very interested to hear the progressive views as well the numerous Sunni/Wahabis on this forum.

Can you ask this question in one of your secret SABAKS and let us know( if you are allowed to disclose). I like to know what is Kothar's view and specially if they have no one to hold hands and take them to Jannat

The sabaks have a very satisfying answer amazingly consistent with the Adal of God. I wanted to know whether any of the others have one.

[profastian]

profastian,

Can you ask this question to your Maula and illuminate us with his response?

You again apply your tried and tested technique of answering back with a question with you have no answer of your own.

[anajmi]

profastian,

You are right, I have no answer of my own. Now, will you be kind enough to share the answer from the sabak?

[anajmi]

I asked this question to my spiritual leader and was told that the kothari sabaks provide a better answer. So, can we get your answer now? Thanks in advance.

[profastian]

I asked this question to my spiritual leader and was told that the kothari sabaks provide a better answer. So, can we get your answer now? Thanks in advance.

So do u believe that God is not Aadil or there is an answer but not in the Quran?

[guy_sam2005]

profastian,

You are right, I have no answer of my own. Now, will you be kind enough to share the answer from the sabak?

How come u dont have a answer from your version oof quran......quran has answers for everything...time to hit workdesk again my friend...............

[guy_sam2005]

I asked this question to my spiritual leader and was told that the kothari sabaks provide a better answer. So, can we get your answer now? Thanks in advance.

Yea they cent % ryt..they surely do,but to be entitled to them u need to have a valid e-jamat card............................

[anajmi]

I asked this question to my spiritual leader and was told that the kothari sabaks provide a better answer. So, can we get your answer now? Thanks in advance.

So do u believe that God is not Aadil or there is an answer but not in the Quran?

I believe everything you want me to believe. I believe Syedna is Great. Ya Ali Ya Ali. Laanat on the usurpers. Laanat, Laanat, Laanat.

Now, can I have the answer to the question that you originally asked, from sabak?

[profastian]

So do u believe that God is not Aadil or there is an answer but not in the Quran?

I believe everything you want me to believe. I believe Syedna is Great. Ya Ali Ya Ali. Laanat on the usurpers. Laanat, Laanat, Laanat.

Now, can I have the answer to the question that you originally asked, from sabak?

If you believe everything, then please go to nearest Aamil, renew your misaq, get a new ejamaat card created, post your ejamaat number here(or send it to me in a private message) and i will surely reply with an answer to your question.

[Humsafar]

Faustain, you forgot about the money. anajmi will have to shell out a lot of wajebat dough to be admitted back in the "club". Go for it, anajmi, what are you waiting for? If you need money we can all contribute!!!

[profastian]

Faustain, you forgot about the money. anajmi will have to shell out a lot of wajebat dough to be admitted back in the "club". Go for it, anajmi, what are you waiting for? If you need money we can all contribute!!!

See now you have no excuse. Even the finances are being taken care of by your ilk..

[anajmi]

Thank you profastian. My ejamaat card number is 846838733-007 (ugotduped-007). Can I have the answer to the question now?

[profastian]

Thank you profastian. My ejamaat card number is 846838733-007 (ugotduped-007). Can I have the answer to the question now?

Let me get hold of your email address with you ejamaat card. Will send you the answer in email..

[anajmi]

Thank you for the email.

For all to see, this is the answer that I received from profastian

Dear anajmi,

I am sorry but I have no answer. I was just kidding. Why do you think we make you guys go through these hoops to get answers to simple questions? We want to discourage everyone who is seeking answers. You are not supposed to ask questions. If you ask any more questions, I will report your ejamaat id to the Syedna and you will be disbarred from the community. You have 3 days to send a written apology with your IRS tax forms and a check for $52,000.

Thanks.

profastian.

P.S. This is a confidential email. Do not post it on the progressive forum or the fine will increase.

[profastian]

Thank you for the email.

For all to see, this is the answer that I received from profastian

Dear anajmi,

I am sorry but I have no answer. I was just kidding. Why do you think we make you guys go through these hoops to get answers to simple questions? We want to discourage everyone who is seeking answers. You are not supposed to ask questions. If you ask any more questions, I will report your ejamaat id to the Syedna and you will be disbarred from the community. You have 3 days to send a written apology with your IRS tax forms and a check for $52,000.

Thanks.

profastian.

P.S. This is a confidential email. Do not post it on the progressive forum or the fine will increase.

Oh anajmi, you have made a boo boo. I have not yet sent you an email. From which email address did u get this email? Looks like ajgar or insap pulled a fast one on you...