Hussaini Brahmins...

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Hussaini Brahmins...

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Unread post by stranger » Tue May 17, 2011 10:28 am

Hussaini Brahmin are a group bringing harmony and brotherhood between Muslim and Hindu religions. They are greatly influenced by martydom of Imam Husayn, grandson of Prophet Muhammad, at Karbala in 680 CE. During the month of Muharram many Hindus joined Muslims lamenting the death of Imam Husayn in Lucknow during the rule of Shia Nawabs of Awadh. Brahmins are the highest caste in Hindu hierarchy.

The small Hussaini Brahmin sect, located mostly in Indian Punjab, also known as Dutts or Mohyals. Unlike other Brahmin clans, the Hussaini Brahmins have had a long martial tradition, which they trace back to the event of Karbala. They believe that an ancestor named Rahab traveled all the way from Punjab to Arabia and there developed close relations with Imam Hussain. In the battle of Karbala, Rahab fought in the army of the Imam against Yazid. His sons, too, joined him, and most of them were killed. It is because of this close bond between their ancestor Rahab and Imam Hussain that the Hussaini Brahmins got their name.
A Sign each and every Husaini Brahman carries with him. On his throat he bears a line of cutting, which is indicative of the fact that he is the descendant of those Brahmans whose throats were cut in the battle of Karbala.They carried this ritual of line cutting of throat on the birth of every child in family.
Among Brahmans, after child birth, the ritual of Moondan is performed.In Hussaini Brahmins family this ritual is performed in the name of Imam Husain.


Some Mohyal Brahmins migrated eastward and became as some sub-divisions of Bhumihar Brahmins, some of whom are also descendants of Hussaini Brahmins and mourn the death of Imam Hussain.An eminent example was Sir Ganesh Dutt Singh. Sir Ganesh Dutt Singh, who was a freedom fighter, administrator and educationist in which capacity he did a lot for improving education and health services in the state of Bihar in the pre-independence era.Sir Ganesh Dutta made generous donations from his earnings and personal property for the development of educational institutions, like radium institute in Patna Medical College, Darbhaga Medical College, Ayurvedic College and schools for the blind, deaf and dumb, among others.
It is believed that Sunil Dutt was also a Hussaini Brahmin.

The Hussaini Brahmins were once concentrated in the Rawalpindi-Jhelum regions of Pakistan. According to the traditions, the Hussaini Brahmins believe that their ancestor Rahab Dutt and his sons fought on the side of Imam Husayn at Karbala and they were martyred along with the Imam. They remained Hindus but the tragedy of Kerbala was commemorated from generation to generation in their families and even now their clans observes it all over India, although the younger generation is less keen on such traditions.

The non-Muslim tribal Lambadi community in Andhra Pradesh have their own genre of Muharram lamentation songs in Telugu. Among certain Hindu castes in Rajasthan, the Karbala battle is recounted by staging plays in which the death of Imam Husayn is enacted, after which the women of the village come out in a procession, crying and cursing Yazid for his cruelty.

The Hussaini Brahmins practised an intriguing blend of Islamic and Hindu traditions. A popular saying refers to the Hussaini Brahmins or Dutts thus:

Wah Dutt Sultan
Hindu ka Dharm
Musalman ka Iman
Adha Hindu Adha Musalman.

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Re: Hussaini Brahmins...

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Unread post by Hussain_KSA » Tue May 17, 2011 10:47 am

This has been posted twice earliar

Regards.

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Unread post by stranger » Tue May 17, 2011 10:53 am

Oh...I din knew that. :(

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Unread post by progticide » Wed May 18, 2011 1:27 am

Hussain_KSA wrote:This has been posted twice earliar

Regards.
So what if posted earlier; are u getting bored of the discussions on varied traditional and cultural influences of the events of Karbala?

Not surprising at all, afterall you progs are bound to behave that way. Some day you may finally get bored of the Muharram observations too. The symptoms of infidelity are now getting manifested even more ostensibly.

So what next shuld be expected from the progs? Denial of Quran and Prophet (SAW)?

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Unread post by murtaza2152 » Wed May 18, 2011 1:45 am

Bro progticide dont be hyper !!!!
Hussain bhai was only telling thai it has been posted earlier ....
We dont have to make evetytime "Baat ka Batangar"....
Regards !!!

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Unread post by Hussain_KSA » Wed May 18, 2011 2:43 am

progticide wrote:
Hussain_KSA wrote:This has been posted twice earliar

Regards.
So what if posted earlier; are u getting bored of the discussions on varied traditional and cultural influences of the events of Karbala?

Not surprising at all, afterall you progs are bound to behave that way. Some day you may finally get bored of the Muharram observations too. The symptoms of infidelity are now getting manifested even more ostensibly.

So what next shuld be expected from the progs? Denial of Quran and Prophet (SAW)?
No I am not getting bored. FYI my house was one of the center (for Muharram Majalis) out of six in my city when saudi Government closed down the markaz in Jeddah 10 years back.

As far as Quran and Prophet is concern, how can a muslim deny it. BTW did you read quran with translation and Taweel, Prophets biography? I did and I can send you the book from what you learn in Sabak.

I only want to tell you do some research on this forum. I mean go old threads before asking question and posting the things. However I am pleased to know some of good dawoodi bohras from mainstream on this forum.

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Unread post by progticide » Wed May 18, 2011 4:33 am

Hussain,
Islam is not concerned with what you were, but what you are today?

If you were a mainstream Dawoodi Bohra sometime before and not today then you are a kafir, period.

So dont tell me your history, what matters is present & future.

And I know enough of what I should know and what Allah subhanahu wishes for me to know, and I wish to know no more than what is deserved my me.

Be Happy in the company of infidels, that is your destiny, if Allah so wished.

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Unread post by Hussain_KSA » Wed May 18, 2011 6:35 am

progticide wrote:Hussain,
Islam is not concerned with what you were, but what you are today?

If you were a mainstream Dawoodi Bohra sometime before and not today then you are a kafir, period.

So dont tell me your history, what matters is present & future.

And I know enough of what I should know and what Allah subhanahu wishes for me to know, and I wish to know no more than what is deserved my me.

Be Happy in the company of infidels, that is your destiny, if Allah so wished.


:) :) :)

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Unread post by Muslim First » Wed May 18, 2011 8:15 am

Another Ismaili offshoot, Bohras will look like this Satpanthis in future, where they will worship Kothar and Ahle Bait. Grave of Tahir Saifuddin and Burhanuddin will be main tamples of their worship.


Satpanth
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satpanth



Coexistance and Communalism
The Shrine of Pirana in Gujarat
http://ismaili.net/Source/0784b.html

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Re: Hussaini Brahmins...

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Unread post by ANA BOHRI » Wed May 18, 2011 8:50 am

progticide wrote:Hussain,
Islam is not concerned with what you were, but what you are today?

If you were a mainstream Dawoodi Bohra sometime before and not today then you are a kafir, period.

So dont tell me your history, what matters is present & future.

And I know enough of what I should know and what Allah subhanahu wishes for me to know, and I wish to know no more than what is deserved my me.

Be Happy in the company of infidels, that is your destiny, if Allah so wished.
HOW ARROGANT....

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Re: Hussaini Brahmins...

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Unread post by seeker110 » Wed May 18, 2011 3:26 pm

"progticide wrote:
Hussain,
Islam is not concerned with what you were, but what you are today?

If you were a mainstream Dawoodi Bohra sometime before and not today then you are a kafir, period.

So dont tell me your history, what matters is present & future.

And I know enough of what I should know and what Allah subhanahu wishes for me to know, and I wish to know no more than what is deserved my me.

Be Happy in the company of infidels, that is your destiny, if Allah so wished."

Two things comes to mind,first one is this donkey has horns,and also the prayer khuda ganjay ko nakhoon na deana.

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Thu May 19, 2011 6:03 pm

progticide wrote:If you were a mainstream Dawoodi Bohra sometime before and not today then you are a kafir, period.
If you are not a salafi/wahabi then you are a kafir, period.....narrated by ghost of osama bin laden.