NASS CONFERRED

[accountability]

GM, did you authenticate the report. So far as I know, Muffaddal Bahisaheb is not like that. I think his administration will be more compassionate.

[porus]

OK so no video evidence or document in the 21st century technology era

In 10 years time when someone challenges the events of 2011 what will be the reason !

Despite all the fanfare with which Sayedna's video of his visit to Rawda_t-Tahera on the urs of his father was relayed worldwide to all Jamaats, I have yet to meet someone who actually heard Sayedna bestowing nass-e-jali on Mufaddal Saheb. Those I have spoken with say that they saw the video of Sayedna speaking but could not hear him.

I have heard a rumor that the audio was audible in Mississauga, Canada; however, Sayedna's speech appeared to have suffered due his recent stroke and his words were not clear. They too could not here the pronouncement of nass-e-jali.

Has anyone visiting this forum actually heard the pronouncement?

[ozmujaheed]

Do we conclude that abdes do not have a response and the naas was not done as per the traditional rules

This is serious stuff because in bohra there are so many adabs that it is no longer a joke and for such fundamental issue they so naively take it for granted and subjugated their lives

Why cannot it be redone for formality ?

[accountability]

you are right porus, no one has heard syedna say anything, Yes we did hear What Muffaddal Bhaisaheb said, or what Qaid Johar bhaisaheb said. I talked to one of my relative in Pakistan, a very staunch believer, who was saying muffadal maula 5 years ago, he also said that he did not hear maula say anything, according to him it was obviously with Syedna's Raza and knowledge, the whole mandap was organized.
Look to carry on the dawat, WE need Dai, if there is no challange from any side, which it seems that except Mazoon saheb, every one has accepted it, so let us move on.
On the other hand, our administration should grow up, In 21st century, no body is getting divine message or ilham per se, they should do the business in normal way, which makes sense. Post of dai is hereditery, it transfers to according to the wish of incumbent Dai, that is the doctorine, we all accept it. So be it. Nas Jali or khafi is only valid with tacit approval of incumbent Dai. Syedi Muffadal bhaisaheb seems to have the approval.

[WYP]

Do we conclude that abdes do not have a response and the naas was not done as per the traditional rules

This is serious stuff because in bohra there are so many adabs that it is no longer a joke and for such fundamental issue they so naively take it for granted and subjugated their lives

Why cannot it be redone for formality ?

Yes, yes dear Aussie warrior, you can conclusively conclude that there was definitely no nass conferred on anyone at all. The fundamentals of the issue are so serious that this ultimatum is the only one that can be conclusively derived from what we were made to see, hear and read. This fundamentally serious issue needs to be directed and produced by Steven Speilberg or some such luminary, in multiple languages, in 3-D for the extra special effect, with close-captioning for the hearing impaired. For some people this may not be enough evidence, so these people should be personally invited with free first-class air travel and accommodation in 7-star hotels to witness the live production of the event. Only then will the nass be deemed legitimate.

[ghulam muhammed]

GM, did you authenticate the report. So far as I know, Muffaddal Bahisaheb is not like that.

Iam sure about the figures and you too can verify the same from your own sources. Moreover an amount of Rs.10 lacs is peanuts as compared to what the current dai charges for performing nikahs.

[ozmujaheed]

By that account we are still searching for the heir to become the 53rd diai

Being 2011 can a true authentic lady, Yemen bohra, talented bohra, previous pdb or unrelated to the 52nd alim step forward

I just realised I am not elligble, talented or have the popularity

[labbaikyaHussain]

syedi mufaddal bla bla bla (tus)

has already open his shop as a 53rd DAI....and people are willing to get slaughter already

http://www.malumaat.com/lite/akhbar/item/2489.html

[labbaikyaHussain]

I thought syedi Mufaddal Bhai saheb will start his regime with some noble and charitable work to bring some change in his father policy...and will try to bring down money chase program


but i guess they all believe in "charity begins at home"

[S. Insaf]

As we all are witnessing right now Mufaddal Bhaisaheb's regime has started with conspiracy, fraud, drama (Nass), lies (Dr. Asghar Ali Engineer's death) and mega loot (Nazar Mukam, Rasme-Saifee etc.). One can imagine the future of the community.

[khanbadshah]

yes i have heared the sentences of molana..i was just sitting beside .....i m the witness of this nass
any body want to say any thing
i have clip also u can heare

[labbaikyaHussain]

yes i have heared the sentences of molana..i was just sitting beside .....i m the witness of this nass
any body want to say any thing
i have clip also u can heare

not just u but thousands have heard and saw it on screens.there is no doubt that syedna declared Mufaddal as a 53rd dai.

but the circumstances and situation in which he was declared dai is doubtful.

years he was with dai but syedna didnt even mention any thing about him.but suddenly when syedna saw death approaching him he changed his mind and declared one of his son to be dai.

was he waiting for last call from malekul maut to declare this?

[seeker110]

" waiting for last call from malekul maut to declare this?"
So he has direct communications with Malekul Mout.

[stranger]

not just u but thousands have heard and saw it on screens.there is no doubt that syedna declared Mufaddal as a 53rd dai.
but the circumstances and situation in which he was declared dai is doubtful.
years he was with dai but syedna didnt even mention any thing about him.but suddenly when syedna saw death approaching him he changed his mind and declared one of his son to be dai.
was he waiting for last call from malekul maut to declare this?

Whats doubtful ? Labbaik, Don't be fault finder everytime.
He never mentioned, it must be his will. .He holds the absolute authority to declare anyone he wants to and any point of time.
we are not supposed to question this. .Are we ?

[anajmi]

we are not supposed to question this. .Are we ?

To question your leaders is your God given right. People used to come to the prophet (saw) with questions all the time and he took time to answer all questions.

[stranger]

To question your leaders is your God given right. People used to come to the prophet (saw) with questions all the time and he took time to answer all questions.

Anjami,
There is a difference between those questions and this question. You are referring to questions which were asked in the motive of seeking knowledge, these are questions which directly challenging the move and leadership of Da'i. Did any Muslim questioned Prophet's (saw) Leadership or Prophet-hood or appointment of posts by him ?
Or if they did and rejected the prophet's (saw) decision, would you be calling them Muslim ?

[anajmi]

The obedience of the prophet (saw) is a command in the Quran. The Dai has no such authority. The biggest difference is that rejecting the Dai does not make you a non-muslim. It will only make you a non-Dai worshipper and that is a good thing.

[stranger]

The obedience of the prophet (saw) is a command in the Quran. The Dai has no such authority. The biggest difference is that rejecting the Dai does not make you a non-muslim. It will only make you a non-Dai worshipper and that is a good thing.

Yea agreed, it will not make me a Non-Muslim. .BuT, Neither taking him as a leader making me a Non-Muslim.
So, Keep your free suggestion with you bcoz Its my life and totally upto me to decide that what should i follow and who i choose my leader.

[anajmi]

Neither taking him as a leader making me a Non-Muslim.

No, but your subservience to him, your sajdas to him, your belief that Allah cannot go against the Dai and your belief that without the Dai's permission you cannot go to jannah, make you a mushrik, which is a bad thing.

[stranger]

bro anajmi,

No, but your subservience to him.

Yes, I do. .coz i have faith on him that whatever he'll choose will do good to us.

your sajdas to him.

I never did sajda to anybody except Allah.

your belief that Allah cannot go against the Dai.

I never ever claimed so. Infact, No-one can go againts the wish of Allah but reverse is not possible.
However, i do believe that Dai's wish is in Allah's wish Or at the least, He knows better than me. .Apna apna Perception hai.

your belief that without the Dai's permission you cannot go to jannah, make you a mushrik, which is a bad thing.

Again, I never claimed that Only Dawoodi Bohra's are Jannati. I dont believe So. .Allah, The Almighty, Knows Better. .
If you rem, you have pinged me on same question ( as above) under the Thread ''Moaziza of Alavi Da'i-Fact or Fairy Tale''.And I have given you the same reply.
I hope, will not need to repeat again in future, atleast to you.

[anajmi]

stranger,

I am not referring to you specifically. I am referring to the abdes in general.

[SAJJAD]

The current mission of mufaddal is all about robbing the community after the fake, stupid nass business. As you can see on kothari website malumaat.com. He is doing nothing but performing nikah, unIslamic misaq and selling fake titles to docile and subjugate bohri families.





http://www.malumaat.com/

[ghulam muhammed]

The PR machinery of the would be 53rd dai is working in full swing, not surprising as he has the support of syedul kher and badri jamali (his saalas/brothers-in-law), the sons of the late Yusuf Najmuddin who was in his time the most powerful man in saifee mahal, he was the chanakya in his era. If one visits any kothar sponsored sites, he will find the same flashed with news of only Mufaddal bhaisaab and surprisingly there is not a single column in the recent past which is dedicated to Burhanuddin saab.

The zeninfosys website alone has almost 40 news items covering the 53rd dai.

[ghulam muhammed]

The would be 53rd dai has made his presence felt in more ways then one. The wajebat form required to be filled in by every bohra in ramzan for payment of various kothar invented taxes has a new column added....... Apart from the column mentioning the amount of salams (cash) to be offered to the dai, mazun and mukasir, one more column has been added i.e. "salams to mansoos (53rd dai)". A day is not far when bohras will have to pay compulsory salams to every zaadas, zaadis from infants to elderly.

MORE COLUMNS = MORE MONEY.

[anajmi]

And to top that off, every Dai and mansoos is going to live Ta Qayamat. Aao bhai mansoos, dawoodi bhai nu khoon choos.

[khanbadshah]

all who r speaking against mola n mansoos tus...they will see in thier selfs n in childrin that they will b no more.....
DAWAT YE OOJ PER HAY OOR OOUJ PER RAHAYGI
AADAA E DIN KI SUURAT RUUBAAHA JAYSEE HOGI
u bloody monkies

[fearAllah]

all who r speaking against mola n mansoos tus...they will see in thier selfs n in childrin that they will b no more.....
DAWAT YE OOJ PER HAY OOR OOUJ PER RAHAYGI
AADAA E DIN KI SUURAT RUUBAAHA JAYSEE HOGI
u bloody monkies

Khan "bad" Shah, my little baby boy, how come you havent gone to school today? Nane munne bache teri muthi me kya hain?

[SBM]

N

ane munne bache teri muthi me kya hain?

Wajebaat ane Safai Chitti to get Tiffin and Thali

[ghulam muhammed]

Can a female be allowed as a witness to "Nuss" ?? Moreover the Nuss was pronounced only in the presence of the Dai's immediate family who undoubtedly are the interested party in the whole episode of grabbing the coveted post and becoming key members of the cash rich Dawat.

Excerpts from wikepedia :-

Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin (TUS) was in the hospital at the time. He addressed the Shahzada Sahebs and said “In the name of Allah, I here by proclaim my succession on Bhai Mufaddal”.
The witnesses to the Nass were Aaliwaqar Shahzada Idris Bhaisaheb Badruddin (DM), Shahzada Qusai Bhaisaheb Vajihuddin (DM), Shahzada Ammar Bhaisaheb Jamaluddin (DM) and Dr. Moiz Bhaisaheb and Shahzadi Husaina Behnsaheba(DM).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mufaddal_Saifuddin

[Maqbool]

As per Qaidjoharbhai Saheb Sayedna suffered a stroke before proclaiming nass. How he has spoken? It is a matter of investigation.