Lokpal in Dawoodi Bohra

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Hozefa
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Lokpal in Dawoodi Bohra

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Unread post by Hozefa » Sat Aug 20, 2011 3:03 am

Salam Alaykum wa Rahmatullah wa Barkato

Friends, as you are aware that 'Lokpal' is currently hot issue in India, so I inspired from issue (not anna) what if we have such system in our community?

On aboard there are so many intellectuals and sometime we need fun and ideas..

Regards,
Hozefa Sarodara
Khaitan
Kuwait

Muslim First
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Re: Lokpal in Dawoodi Bohra

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Unread post by Muslim First » Sat Aug 20, 2011 5:51 am

"Lokpal" is not a suitable name in Ismaili Mustali tayyabi Dawoodi Bohra religion. Maulana Burhanuddin will never give Raza to name your child "Lokpal"

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Re: Lokpal in Dawoodi Bohra

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Unread post by Maqbool » Sat Aug 20, 2011 7:19 am

There is no such leader in our community. Only way is to request Anna to convert into our faith!!!

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Re: Lokpal in Dawoodi Bohra

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Unread post by Smart » Sat Aug 20, 2011 8:10 am

The Lokpal issue demands from the leaders are:
1. Transparency in Government Business.
2. Public money should be used for public purposes.
3. Holding government servants answerable for corruption.

This is exactly what the reformists are asking of the administration (Kothar) and this what the establishment is avoiding. The mechanism in both these is similar - secrecy. The difference is the Bohra establishment counters this demand by demonising those who are asking questions, whereas for the rest of the society those asking questions are considered heroes. This single behaviour of abdes shows that they are still backward.

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Re: Lokpal in Dawoodi Bohra

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Sat Aug 20, 2011 5:42 pm

Smart wrote:The difference is the Bohra establishment counters this demand by demonising those who are asking questions, whereas for the rest of the society those asking questions are considered heroes. This single behaviour of abdes shows that they are still backward.
There is a difference........ The govt. demonises Anna but the public doesnt believe the bullshit and they treat Anna as their hero whereas the kothar demonises reformists and the abdes believe whatever crap as given by kothar without using commonsense. This mostly happens in places where there is no democracy but sheer anarchy.

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Re: Lokpal in Dawoodi Bohra

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Unread post by Hozefa » Sun Aug 21, 2011 2:46 am

i know lokpal can no be a name of child like dharampal :D

according to GM

kothar = anna
mumins = middle class public
pdb = govt.

confuzen ??

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Re: Lokpal in Dawoodi Bohra

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Unread post by stranger » Sun Aug 21, 2011 3:07 am

Hozefa wrote: Regards,
Hozefa Sarodara
Khaitan
Kuwait
Bro Hozefa,
Then you must be aware of [ Kuwait] Khaitan's Musalla issue, at the starting of ramadan. .I have also heard from here and there. .what was that exactly ?

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Re: Lokpal in Dawoodi Bohra

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Unread post by Hozefa » Sun Aug 21, 2011 5:41 am

stranger wrote:
Bro Hozefa,
Then you must be aware of [ Kuwait] Khaitan's Musalla issue, at the starting of ramadan. .I have also heard from here and there. .what was that exactly ?
during 'musalla mukarrar jagah' distribution period
each person has to go to jamaat office and offer his/her contribution based on various fixed rakam in niyaz jaman, accordingly, jamat will locate your musalla (more rakam, less distance frm imam formula).. however, low profile ppl who can not afford rakam will also allow for namaz at certain place... NOW one aggressive, rebellion mind person with high attitude, high profiled but have no money, name Juzer Kasidwala (watan Dohad) have approched jamat and request for musalla jagah (followed by conversation)

Juzer Kasid: salam, give me jaga for namaz
khdmat man: where is clearance?
Juzer Kasid: frm where to get?
khdmat man: fulaan counter
Juzer Kasid: (at other counter) bhai clearance aapo
KM: kitna likhavo chho
Juzer Kasid: sena, for what? musallana?
KM: ha bhai
Juzer Kasid: na likhawa hoy to?
KM: na chaale
Juzer Kasid: OK I will see

then kasidwala approached to translator office to write a complaint against khaitan jamat, fortunetly one person working in that translator's office was bohra guy he realize the situation and promptly contacted jamat office then as per instruction he start talking with kasidwala and kept him busy untill jamat rescue team reached on the spot... fir kya hona tha they convinced kassid wala, gave him good place of musalla..

Happy ending.




Juzer Kasidwala, cell#65021786 as per ejamat record





Stranger, are you sitting in khaitan main? I m in madrassah mrkz.

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Re: Lokpal in Dawoodi Bohra

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Unread post by anajmi » Sun Aug 21, 2011 12:06 pm

Bohra religion at its finest. The Ahlul Bayt must be proud. Washeq on a rented musalla has even more thawaab, I guess.

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Re: Lokpal in Dawoodi Bohra

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Unread post by SBM » Sun Aug 21, 2011 2:49 pm

Br. Hozefa and Br. Stranger
Thank you for bringing this to the attention. I am sure Kothari Goons reading this will re-assess and soon something will be done
On this forum there was lots of discussion about Mazoon's absence and then all of of a sudden, some of the abde sites decided to put Mazoon's picture to refute the charges.

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Re: Lokpal in Dawoodi Bohra

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Sun Aug 21, 2011 5:32 pm

An sms is being circulated by some abdes in mumbai which claims that Anna Hazare, on the advice of Asghar Ali Engineer has forwarded a complaint to the government of india against the dai, hence bohras should not support Anna. Is it another anti publicity stunt against Mr.Engineer to arouse tempers and divert their minds from their extortion racket which is at its peak during ramzan or has the complaint been genuinely forwarded ? If the latter is the case then one can expect some action which was totally absent due to the bribery of kothar to the higher ups in respective govt departments.

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Re: Lokpal in Dawoodi Bohra

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Unread post by Gulf » Mon Aug 22, 2011 7:49 pm

Hozefa wrote: Juzer Kasidwala, cell#65021786 as per ejamat record

moron hozefa,

on above given # I 'v confirmed the man, in 3 days research I conclude that Juzer Kassid from Dahod is the biggest loser and his stupid attitude have made him so. Keeping himself in community and at the same time bashing the jamaat and the system and it's representatives is his natural routine from long long time, therefore in spite of having sharp mind (actually evil mind) he did not get succeed in any kind of job/business an anywhere i.e. in home town and in kuwait too because 'niyat ma khot' u can confirm my statement with him.

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Re: Lokpal in Dawoodi Bohra

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Unread post by revolution » Tue Aug 23, 2011 12:57 am

Gulf wrote:
Hozefa wrote: Juzer Kasidwala, cell#65021786 as per ejamat record

moron hozefa,

on above given # I 'v confirmed the man, in 3 days research I conclude that Juzer Kassid from Dahod is the biggest loser and his stupid attitude have made him so. Keeping himself in community and at the same time bashing the jamaat and the system and it's representatives is his natural routine from long long time, therefore in spite of having sharp mind (actually evil mind) he did not get succeed in any kind of job/business an anywhere i.e. in home town and in kuwait too because 'niyat ma khot' u can confirm my statement with him.
GULF,
may be this guy has a routine to fight with people,and may be he is not doing well with his work,but that does not satisfy the cause that maslla place shud be sold in mosque.

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Re: Lokpal in Dawoodi Bohra

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Unread post by Maqbool » Tue Aug 23, 2011 1:05 am

moron hozefa,
Gulf
on above given # I 'v confirmed the man, in 3 days research I conclude that Juzer Kassid from Dahod is the biggest loser and his stupid attitude have made him so. Keeping himself in community and at the same time bashing the jamaat and the system and it's representatives is his natural routine from long long time, therefore in spite of having sharp mind (actually evil mind) he did not get succeed in any kind of job/business an anywhere i.e. in home town and in kuwait too because 'niyat ma khot' u can confirm my statement with him
then kasidwala approached to translator office to write a complaint against khaitan jamat, fortunetly one person working in that translator's office was bohra guy he realize the situation and promptly contacted jamat office then as per instruction he start talking with kasidwala and kept him busy untill jamat rescue team reached on the spot... fir kya hona tha they convinced kassid wala, gave him good place of musalla..
Dear Gulf,
Don't divert the topics by calling hozefa moron, and confirm that the massalla episode is correct or not.
The Kuwait jamat is doing business on selling the masjid space. You are also a partner in this sin by defending the same.

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Re: Lokpal in Dawoodi Bohra

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Unread post by Gulf » Tue Aug 23, 2011 8:13 pm

Maqbool wrote: Dear Gulf,
Don't divert the topics by calling hozefa moron, and confirm that the massalla episode is correct or not.
The Kuwait jamat is doing business on selling the masjid space. You are also a partner in this sin by defending the same.
Musallah arrangement for bohras is necessary whereever shortage of accommodation to accommodate all people easily in order to avoid chaos.. no need to explain more.. and it is the best idea and welcomed by 99%

Maqbool,
I called him a moron and I reiterate my quote and again call him a moron, because he want to have administration on daawat? how disgust/ridiculous his sense of humor is?

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Re: Lokpal in Dawoodi Bohra

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Unread post by anajmi » Tue Aug 23, 2011 8:40 pm

So masallah arrangement requires you to charge money from people? Sunnis muslims always have shortage of space in their mosques, Alhumdulillah. They pray on the road and in the parking lots, but have never had to pay money for masallah space. You kothari baboons are nothing but thugs taking advantage of abde idiots who probably deserve it.

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Re: Lokpal in Dawoodi Bohra

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Unread post by SBM » Tue Aug 23, 2011 8:42 pm

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and it is the best idea and welcomed by 99%
So all those 99% who never go to Masjid thru out the year but all of sudden they become very religious only during the Faazil raats of Ramadan and Ashura.
And why sell the Massalla space whey NOT FIRST COME FIRST SERVE. IT IS THE PRACTICE IN MAKKAH,MEDINA AND KARBALA MOALLA
do

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Re: Lokpal in Dawoodi Bohra

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Unread post by anajmi » Tue Aug 23, 2011 8:45 pm

We have to also remember there when Juzer Kasidwala went to the translator's office to lodge a complaint, musallah arrangements were automatically made for him. The shortage of accomodation was no longer an issue!!

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Re: Lokpal in Dawoodi Bohra

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Unread post by Maqbool » Wed Aug 24, 2011 12:45 am

Gulf wrote:
Maqbool wrote: Dear Gulf,
Don't divert the topics by calling hozefa moron, and confirm that the massalla episode is correct or not.
The Kuwait jamat is doing business on selling the masjid space. You are also a partner in this sin by defending the same.
Musallah arrangement for bohras is necessary whereever shortage of accommodation to accommodate all people easily in order to avoid chaos.. no need to explain more.. and it is the best idea and welcomed by 99%

Maqbool,
I called him a moron and I reiterate my quote and again call him a moron, because he want to have administration on daawat? how disgust/ridiculous his sense of humor is?
OK do it as long as you have trained to do so in the holly month of Ramazan.

Now come to the point. If the shortage of place is, then it has to be first come first and not in exchange of money. I am sure this will never convince the money minded corrupts.

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Re: Lokpal in Dawoodi Bohra

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Unread post by Gulf » Wed Aug 24, 2011 6:44 pm

Maqbool wrote:
Now come to the point. If the shortage of place is, then it has to be first come first and not in exchange of money. I am sure this will never convince the money minded corrupts.
the jamaat knows that better than you and me.. pay system is much better than first come first get policy ... money not for masallah but for niyaz hoob everyone has to take this opportunity to contribute and get sawaab in ramazan

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Re: Lokpal in Dawoodi Bohra

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Wed Aug 24, 2011 7:00 pm

Gulf wrote:money not for masallah but for niyaz hoob
O.K. So now they take money for "niyaz hoob" under the column "masalla space" !!!!! Just like collecting various innovative taxes under the "wajebat" column and passing it off as "zakat".

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Re: Lokpal in Dawoodi Bohra

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Unread post by SBM » Wed Aug 24, 2011 7:22 pm

money not for masallah but for niyaz hoob everyone has to take this opportunity to contribute and get sawaab in ramazan
There is always separate collection for Niyaz and Hoob so where does this SALE for MASSALLAH comes from?
Gulf, even Aqs and Stranger have refrained from defending this practice, get of your high horses and if some thing looks like duck, walks like duck then it is DUCK.
HOPE FULLY KOTHARIS READING THIS THREAD WILL RE-THINK THEIR POSITION AND STOP THIS NON SENSE PRACTICE OF SELLING MASSALLAH SPACE AND LET IT FIRST COME FIRST SERVE.

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Re: Lokpal in Dawoodi Bohra

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Unread post by Maqbool » Thu Aug 25, 2011 12:58 am

Gulf wrote:
Maqbool wrote:
Now come to the point. If the shortage of place is, then it has to be first come first and not in exchange of money. I am sure this will never convince the money minded corrupts.
the jamaat knows that better than you and me.. pay system is much better than first come first get policy ... money not for masallah but for niyaz hoob everyone has to take this opportunity to contribute and get sawaab in ramazan
Who is jamat made of! It is like you people. If the money is not for massalla then why it is compulsory? Is niyas and hoob is collected in this fashion!! Like an extortion!

You are avoiding the reply and not confirming, about a person, has gone to the Kuwait authority for complain against the jamat on selling massalla place, Why ?

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Re: Lokpal in Dawoodi Bohra

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Unread post by agakhani » Fri Aug 26, 2011 2:26 pm

The meaning of word 'ANNA' is gracious, however this name is not Muslim name.
'ANNA" is female name in USA and much popular name.
So, in my opinion it i not appropriate name in Muslim communities.