An on-line book on Ali ibn Abi Talib

[fearAllah]

When he appointed Muhammad ,son of Abu Bakr ,as Governor of Egypt he instructed him thus:

abdes
ali appointed son of abu bakr as governor !!!!!

Mohammed, son of Abubakar, who also fought against Ayesha, Talha and Zuber in the battle of Jamal. He was also against the cruel leadership and corrupt government of Caliph Othman and hence chose to join Ali.

[Ala maqaam]

Muhammed ibn abi bakar was also raised by Ali(s)

[fearAllah]

Ali is the truth and truth is with Ali

those who are with Ali(a) they are with Muhammed(s) those who are with Muhammed(s) they are with Allah(swt)

Ala Maqaam (TUS),

The other strange thing i would like to point out is that I have never heard Sayedna insist or encourage us to read Nahj-al-balgha the unique kitaab of Moulana Ali, whom many arabs poets descibe as the best arabic literature book after the Quran. I remember my great grand mother used to have a copy of it in gujrati given to her by her father (my great great grandfather), but recently in the last 100 years the Dawat has tried its very best to hide this book from their blind followers because the beauties and lifestyle of our beloved Ali highlighted in the book will disclose the true identity of Sayedna.

[Ala maqaam]

Ali is the truth and truth is with Ali

those who are with Ali(a) they are with Muhammed(s) those who are with Muhammed(s) they are with Allah(swt)

Ala Maqaam (TUS),

The other strange thing i would like to point out is that I have never heard Sayedna insist or encourage us to read Nahj-al-balgha the unique kitaab of Moulana Ali, whom many arabs poets descibe as the best arabic literature book after the Quran. I remember my great grand mother used to have a copy of it in gujrati given to her by her father (my great great grandfather), but recently in the last 100 years the Dawat has tried its very best to hide this book from their blind followers because the beauties and lifestyle of our beloved Ali highlighted in the book will disclose the true identity of Sayedna.

it is all part of construction of a nation without a oponent.

syedna have used a systemic process to self centralized in order to have a compitition and oponent free kingdom.

kind of a politics to drop down any voice against him.

if he would not have done it many Ali asger would have raised up and this fine community would have been divided in many more parts.

so now dawat have adopt a policy to self centralized DAI,so no one can oppose him.

[fearAllah]

Ala Maqaam (TUS),

The other strange thing i would like to point out is that I have never heard Sayedna insist or encourage us to read Nahj-al-balgha the unique kitaab of Moulana Ali, whom many arabs poets descibe as the best arabic literature book after the Quran. I remember my great grand mother used to have a copy of it in gujrati given to her by her father (my great great grandfather), but recently in the last 100 years the Dawat has tried its very best to hide this book from their blind followers because the beauties and lifestyle of our beloved Ali highlighted in the book will disclose the true identity of Sayedna.

it is all part of construction of a nation without a oponent.

syedna have used a systemic process to self centralized in order to have a compitition and oponent free kingdom.

kind of a politics to drop down any voice against him.

if he would not have done it many Ali asger would have raised up and this fine community would have been divided in many more parts.

so now dawat have adopt a policy to self centralized DAI,so no one can oppose him.

Wow, if you read the history carefully, Muawiya somehow also adopted the same policy/strategy, indeed no one could oppose him!!!


Moulana Ali:

"If I cannot establish truth and annihilate falsehood these shoes of mine would be more dear to me than the rulership".

"Your faith should be at such a level that you should prefer truth to falsehood even though it may cause you loss and falsehood may bring you gain''.

[anajmi]

it is all part of construction of a nation without a oponent.

syedna have used a systemic process to self centralized in order to have a compitition and oponent free kingdom.

kind of a politics to drop down any voice against him.

if he would not have done it many Ali asger would have raised up and this fine community would have been divided in many more parts.

so now dawat have adopt a policy to self centralized DAI,so no one can oppose him.

Finally, some abde has the balls to admit the truth. Syedna is as great as any great dictator in the middle east. Saddam Hussain comes to mind. Make sure you have no competition and an opponent free kingdom. Brilliant!!

[SBM]

Syedna have used a systemic process to self centralized in order to have a compitition and oponent free kingdom.

kind of a politics to drop down any voice against him.

That is what exactly Saudis are doing and this is what exactly Yazid was doing and fortunately he had opponents like Imam Hussain to keep Yazid in check. Today Lanaat goes to Yazid and people remember Imam Hussain and his family. Remember Saddam Hussain, Ghaddaffi and Hosseni Mubarak, they all followed your logic of centralizing and the results are in. DO YOU NEED ANY MORE PROOF

[Ala maqaam]

well,I have my own point of view on it...

muawiyah was doing unislamic acts in public (alcohol,gambling,fornication)

while syedna is has donr nothing against sunnah of muhammed(s)....but yes I admit that in the policy of self centralizing people have forgoten the true values of ahlul byat.

i am not sure what idea syedna have behind this projection.

but I also think and believe its the duty of people to gain knowledge by there own self...and shud not be dependent on any one,if they really fear Allah.

[Ala maqaam]

if u look at the history Ahlul bayt and most Imam and Dai's have faced operession,and most got killed by the enemies,but now it was high time for dawat to adopt a policy when no one can stand against the DAI or a DAWAT.

[fearAllah]

well,I have my own point of view on it...

muawiyah was doing unislamic acts in public (alcohol,gambling,fornication)

while syedna is has donr nothing against sunnah of muhammed(s).....

Brother Ala Maqam (TUS),

The worst sin described in the Quran is prostrating anyone other than Allah, Even drinking alcohol and gambling is not cursed more than this by Allah (swt).

However, there are many other unislamic acts performed by sayedna, some of them are:

Hunting for pleasure

Idol worshipping (photos etc) which Prophet and Ahlal bayt also strictly condemed

Not respecting his own mother (Quran Chapter: 31 , Verse: 14: And we have enjoined man in respect of his parents-- his mother bears him with faintings upon faintings and his weaning takes two years, be grateful to me and to both your parents; to me is the eventual coming)

Baraat, a serious sin etc

[fearAllah]

but I also think and believe its the duty of people to gain knowledge by there own self...and shud not be dependent on any one,if they really fear Allah.

Thanks for the "Dua ma yaad (DMY)"

[Ala maqaam]

The worst sin described in the Quran is prostrating anyone other than Allah, Even drinking alcohol and gambling is not cursed more than this by Allah (swt).

yakub prostrated to yusuf,but not as a GOD,we already know there can be kind of prostration like KISSING DUST infront of Imam(s).

However, there are many other unislamic acts performed by sayedna, some of them are:

Hunting for pleasure

no where in islam it is mentioned that it is haraam,but yes it shud be avoided

Idol worshipping (photos etc) which Prophet and Ahlal bayt also strictly condemed

pictures of previous dais are also present,and I have never heard him to ask people to worship him in any form.

Not respecting his own mother (Quran Chapter: 31 , Verse: 14: And we have enjoined man in respect of his parents-- his mother bears him with faintings upon faintings and his weaning takes two years, be grateful to me and to both your parents; to me is the eventual coming)

I my self have seen him doing zyarat of his mother in surat,so i dont know what else respect are u looking for.

Baraat, a serious sin etc

in this era where we cant take any physical action against any individual,baraat is only tool possible to be used to protect believers from those who are curropt in Imaan and wants to destroy dawaat.

[anajmi]

The same tired crap from the same brainwashed abdes.

yakub prostrated to yusuf,but not as a GOD,we already know there can be kind of prostration like KISSING DUST infront of Imam(s).

Do the abdes ever prostrate before their children? Why? Isn't Yakub (as) prostrating to Yusuf (as) an example of a parent prostrating to his child? The Dai isn't Yusuf (as) and the abdes are nothing like Yakub(as).

no where in islam it is mentioned that it is haraam,but yes it shud be avoided

That tells us your level of education on Islam. Hunting for pleasure is strictly prohibited in Islam. If you think it should be avoided, then your Dai should be the first one to avoid doing anything that is to be avoided.

pictures of previous dais are also present,and I have never heard him to ask people to worship him in any form.

Laat Manaat and Uzza never asked the Quraysh of Mecca to worship them. Yet the Quraysh are doomed!!

in this era where we cant take any physical action against any individual,baraat is only tool possible to be used to protect believers from those who are curropt in Imaan and wants to destroy dawaat.

And yet the Dai pays money to Modi and has his abdes prostrate before him. Why not just pay money and prostrate before all who want to destroy dawaat? That way all of us can be happy!! You can call it Sajda-e-Rishwatiya.

[fearAllah]

yakub prostrated to yusuf,but not as a GOD,we already know there can be kind of prostration like KISSING DUST infront of Imam(s).

Did Moulana Ali ever prostrate to Hassan and Hussein (or vice versa)? Did Moulana Ali ever prostrate to RasulAllah (SAW)? Did Moulana Ali ever allowed anyone to prostrate him?

Dont forget Yusuf Nabi used to strickly condemn people who tried to bow at him leave prostration aside (so imagine how big was the sin of prostration in the view of Yusuf Nabi if he prohibited minor acts like bowing also)

Ala Maqam (TUS), thats why start of my discussion i told you that its hard to believe that you respect and praise Moulana Ali so much at the same time follow someone who is the opposite, I am sure even if Moulana Ali was alive present time he would have fought against such personalities in the same way as he did with the likes of Muawiya and Co.

[Ala maqaam]

Anajmi only hell is cure for your ignorance.....

[Ala maqaam]

yakub prostrated to yusuf,but not as a GOD,we already know there can be kind of prostration like KISSING DUST infront of Imam(s).

Did Moulana Ali ever prostrate to Hassan and Hussein (or vice versa)? Did Moulana Ali ever prostrate to RasulAllah (SAW)? Did Moulana Ali ever allowed anyone to prostrate him?

Dont forget Yusuf Nabi used to strickly condemn people who even used bow at him leave prostration aside.

Ala Maqam (TUS), thats why start of my discussion i told you that its hard to believe that you respect and praise Moulana Ali so much at the same time follow someone who is the opposite, I am sure even if Moulana Ali was alive present time he would have fought against such personalities same as he did with the likes of Muawiya and Co.

Fear Allah if u are really interested to discuss this things PM me i have reply to all your questions,I dont want to throw pearls infront of swines like Anajmi and his alike.

[SBM]

but I also think and believe its the duty of people to gain knowledge by there own self...and shud not be dependent on any one,if they really fear Allah.

AM
So you agree that knowledge should be shared if your fear Allah, then why Sabaks are secret and they asked you to take Oath not to discuss anything they learned in those Zahir/ Baatin Sabaks. If it is the duty of to people to gain knowledge, why are people forced to come to Sabak and not to discuss with anyone what they learned.Let us share it and enlighten us instead of hiding behind "WE CANNOT DISCUSS DUE TO OATH"
Also why it is NOT allowed to read the translation of Quran by yourself, If you even want to go for education, you need RAZA and sometimes
Kotharis will tell you, Bhai Maula ni Khusi chey ke tamey commerce Karilo,instead of encouraging them to do Science and related fields.
AM, you have defended Kothar but with your own admission in the above quote, your are rejecting what they tell you (NOTHING WITHOUT RAZA AND CAN NOT LEARN ANYTHING EXCEPT FROM SHEZAADAS OR AAMILS)

[Ala maqaam]

but I also think and believe its the duty of people to gain knowledge by there own self...and shud not be dependent on any one,if they really fear Allah.

AM
So you agree that knowledge should be shared if your fear Allah, then why Sabaks are secret and they asked you to take Oath not to discuss anything they learned in those Zahir/ Baatin Sabaks. If it is the duty of to people to gain knowledge, why are people forced to come to Sabak and not to discuss with anyone what they learned.Let us share it and enlighten us instead of hiding behind "WE CANNOT DISCUSS DUE TO OATH"

after witnessing condition of many people here i agree to keep ILM hidden,I have seen here people dont respect such knowledge which is free and spoon feeded.

ILM works like aabe zam zam for a momeen and for those who dont have love and quality of momeen,same ILM works like a poison for them and it just increases envy and jeolousy in there heart.

[SBM]

after witnessing condition of many people here i agree to keep ILM hidden,I have seen here people dont respect such knowledge which is free and spoon feeded.
ILM works like aabe zam zam for a momeen and for those who dont have love and quality of momeen,same ILM works like a poison for them and it just increases envy and jeolousy in there heart.

What Gibrish and if this is the Ilm you have, I am glad you are not sharing with anyone because they will become as confused as you are.
I have read the nice point counter point between Porus-Adam-Humsafar-Aqs-Hussain KSA-GM- Stranger-Accountablility (All DBs) and others (Non DBs) and have learned a lot
atleast they donot talk GIBRISH and are respectful.

[Ala maqaam]

to be very honest and straight forward there is no hidden ILM and no body posses any authority in such kind of ILM.

this is not a black magic which shud be kept in secret and which canot be shared.

every thing is very clear and available for those who really wants to search and find out truth.

but majority of people dont understand this open truth,and starts blaming itis some thing hidden and which is not shared.

for example shane Ali is so clear and undoubtedly truth that no body with a same brain can deny that he was the true wasi of rasullullah,

but u can see billions of muslims are still in darkness and cant find out this open truth.

so u see?

its not a fault of any wasi of Imam or rasul,they have not kept any thing hidden but people are blind from heart that they cannot understand this simple truth.

[anajmi]

but u can see billions of muslims are still in darkness and cant find out this open truth.

And the open truth is to perform Sajda-e-Rishwatiya to non-muslims like Modi right?

[SBM]

but u can see billions of muslims are still in darkness and cant find out this open truth.

AM
there are not billionS of Muslim but only 1.6 Billion

[ghulam muhammed]

while syedna is has donr nothing against sunnah of muhammed(s)....

The dai accepts rents from more then one liquor shop situated at Glamour bldg, Colaba, Mumbai of which he is the owner. Does this act concur with the sunnah of Prophet (s.a.w.) ?

The dai has rented out properties in surat and other cities to banks whose source of income is "interest". The dai's defunct firm, M/s.Leaders Press P.Ltd., which was situated at Mazgaon, Mumbai had availed of a hefty loan from Bombay Mercantile Co-op Bank Ltd towards purchase of an offset printing machine which was imported from some western country. On one hand he gives unending lectures on "interest" and the sins behind it and on the other hand he coolly indulges in those malpractices.

The dai accepted ziafat of Shaukat Sarkar who owned Hotel Metro Palace at Bandra in which he had a full fledged bar. Probably the colour of greenbucks outshone the colour of wine.

[Al Zulfiqar]

let me add...

syedna openly takes money in hefty salaams fully well knowing that its source is tainted, this money is most often in cash or gold, precious stones etc. does he declare this to the income tax deptt to pay his income taxes and be a model citizen of his country as per sunnah of the prophet? does he even follow his own hollow advice of being loyal and good citizens of the country in which you reside??

syedna and his family have been caught several times smuggling currency and diamonds and indulging in money laundering abroad.. is this the sunnah of the prophet? he collects vajebaat and other odious fees and taxes from poor widows and low income bohras, is this the sunnah of the prophet?

he owns, alongwith his huge extended family, palaces and luxurious villas in all 5 continents and is used to a life of luxury and pomp, being waited on hand and foot, people bowing to him and doing sajdas to him, showering money on him and being dined like emperors, is this the sunnah of the prophet?????

[attarwala_salim]

i read quiet a few remarks about the dia an i feel that u are still takeing this topic to the wrong place , read the quran , an the request is to read the book(quran) to understand it do just run thru it an then maybe u will know the truth an u will have a better giudence instrument. dont read it like the death people issa nabi used to bring back to life by giving knowledge, they wernt really dead people but just people without knowledge

[attarwala_salim]

y do u want to have islam to b franchised an if u have read the quran the prophet does only what allah has ordered him to he cant do any thing on his own 'then' an yes ther is no hidden ilm u have to work hard to know the truth with logic an also allah say in the quran that only allah has the knowledge off the visible an invisible an futher to make thing more great he says that even allah cant bereak the rules NOW or elsse i shall b off the trayant

to be very honest and straight forward there is no hidden ILM and no body posses any authority in such kind of ILM.

this is not a black magic which shud be kept in secret and which canot be shared.

every thing is very clear and available for those who really wants to search and find out truth.

but majority of people dont understand this open truth,and starts blaming itis some thing hidden and which is not shared.

for example shane Ali is so clear and undoubtedly truth that no body with a same brain can deny that he was the true wasi of rasullullah,

but u can see billions of muslims are still in darkness and cant find out this open truth.

so u see?

its not a fault of any wasi of Imam or rasul,they have not kept any thing hidden but people are blind from heart that they cannot understand this simple truth.

[seeker110]

Going back to the start of the topic,Syedna had a life to show he is honorable,kind, generous and giving.I only see him taking envelopes every day of his life.He never hangs out with the poor and destitute.How can anyone wish him health.He still thinks he will live forever.I wish he lives forever but in the same present health.

[Ala maqaam]

Going back to the start of the topic,Syedna had a life to show he is honorable,kind, generous and giving.I only see him taking envelopes every day of his life.He never hangs out with the poor and destitute.How can anyone wish him health.He still thinks he will live forever.I wish he lives forever but in the same present health.

jealous?

[seeker110]

A cold heart,nobody can be jealous of.