Africa jamaats

[ozmujaheed]

Somehere in Africa and lion king sleeps tonight....see what was forwarded by the Africa "mum in"

I told him it serves him right for their stupidity since 1960s and should stop complaining

Note the musts and 100% which children are less than 99%?

Imagine if these fools were running a country, national lockdown , hospitals shut, air space shut,! Is this Africa bohri backwardness where they are oppressed without bitterness or this is common in India too ?

I will be surprised if they could even contemplate sending such vile messages in the west.


20th November 2011.
ASHARA  MUBARAKA 1433.
AS PER IRSHADAAT RECEIVED FROM HAZRAT IMAMIYAH

1. Ziyada si Ziyada Mumineen Ashara Mubaraka waaste Aqa Maula tus ni hazrat imamiyah ma Mumbai haazir  thaay.  Maula(tus) ye karam ane ehsaan farmavi ne Nairobi ma Syedi Ibrahim Bhaisaheb Ibn Shazada Qaid Johar Bhaisaheb Ezzuddin (dm) ne vaaz waaste maukla che.

2. ALL MUMINEEN, MUMINAAT AND CHILDREN(100%) MUST attend all vaaz from 2nd to 10th Moharram.
THIS IS AQA MAULA (TUS)'s FARMAAN.

3. All mumineen business must remain closed during vaaz majlis.  School going children and mumineen in service must take leave and attend all Ashara vaaz.

4. Vaaz majlis ma qablal waqt (before time) haazir thaay. Vaaz timings in Nairobi will be as follows:
Vaaz                 10.30 AM to 1.00 PM
Zohr/Asr  Namaaz 1.00 PM   to 1.20 PM
Niyaaz              After  Namaaz

5. E-JAMAAT CARD SCANNING IS COMPULSORY.  Mumineen must come DAILY with their E-Jamaat card which will be scanned INDIVIDUALLY.  Scanning will be   carried out up to 11.30 AM. 
MUMINEEN WHO ARE NOT SCANNED WILL BE RECORDED ABSENT.

6. NOTICE TO ALL THOSE RECORDED ABSENT ON ANY DAY.   Names of your whole family will be cancelled from private izan list for a period of ONE YEAR and your names will be forwarded to Vazarat as per instructions from Vazarat.

7. Niyaz e Hussein contribution.  Mumineen are well aware of Ne'mat and  Barakat of Niyaaz e Hussein and as per Aqa Maula's (tus) khushi mumineen should contribute towards Niyaaz e Hussein. Mumineen can make their pledges at jamaat office and/or contribute on daily basis during

[porus]

5. E-JAMAAT CARD SCANNING IS COMPULSORY.  Mumineen must come DAILY with their E-Jamaat card which will be scanned INDIVIDUALLY.  Scanning will be   carried out up to 11.30 AM. 
MUMINEEN WHO ARE NOT SCANNED WILL BE RECORDED ABSENT.

6. NOTICE TO ALL THOSE RECORDED ABSENT ON ANY DAY.   Names of your whole family will be cancelled from private izan list for a period of ONE YEAR and your names will be forwarded to Vazarat as per instructions from Vazarat.

Well,...well,...well!

Oh well,...well,...well,...well!!

What says you ya Sayyid Adam? Aren't you the most a'ala and afDal firqa in Islam? Your leader taking you to the most sublime heights of freedom unknown to other mortals?

[Al Zulfiqar]

so this is the way muharram will be observed... mourning for the fallen will be forced down your throat and 'jo rovu na aawtu hoi to kum se kum rova jeevu moh banavjo' hypocrisy will be strictly implemented.

who cares if children's grades are affected or a poor bohra's income? to please the ego of the tyrants, you must attend and beat yrself silly, yell, jump and down in circles and chant bogus slogans like wailing banshees, with not an iota of sorrow in yr heart and soul, except the eagerness for the labrez jaman to be served after the fishmarket type of undignified commotion and chaos.

[anajmi]

I believe the bohris deserve this kind of treatment. You get the leaders you deserve!!

[Ala maqaam]

6. NOTICE TO ALL THOSE RECORDED ABSENT ON ANY DAY. Names of your whole family will be cancelled from private izan list for a period of ONE YEAR and your names will be forwarded to Vazarat as per instructions from Vazarat.

who ever is making this rules he must be under 18 or may be he never step down from his airconditioned office,he is not aware of condition in real world.

just made me LOL

just imagine some body holding a GUN on your head to attend majlis,what would a person understand about hussain if he is forced to attend majlis? it shud be from heart not by holding gun on head.

[ozmujaheed]

Any comments from the guys in Nairobi ?

Will you follow these ultimatums or have you had examples where in past the consequences were experienced

Apart from mocking your issue you really have a chance to rise up and show a finger to the jam at committee and tell them go ahead excommunicate us let us see how many will be left following and try sustaining the tyranny on the few remaining and wajebat and sabeel collected.

[stranger]

If its true then this is a condemnable act.

Here is part of Imam Hussain's sermon to his peoples on the night of Ashura :-

"I thank Allah to the best of my ability and praise Him during the time of weal and woe. a Lord! I thank You because You have honored us by means of Prophethoodt taught us the Qur'an, made us comprehend the religion and its commandments, granted us eyes, ears and hearts; kept us free from the pollution of polytheism and then enabled us to thank You for Your blessings. It is a fact that I am not aware of any companions more faithful and honest than my companions, and any relatives more righteous and kind than my relatives. May Allah grant all of you a good reward.
I think that the day of our fighting with this army has arrived. I permit all of you to go away. You are free to depart without any restriction and should take advantage of the darkness of night".

Putting strict restrictions & making it obligatory to commensurate the martyrdom of the great Imam who indeed gave people full freedom and liberty to choose between martyrdom and life on their own.
Isn't it extremely contradictory ?

[Conscíous]

6. NOTICE TO ALL THOSE RECORDED ABSENT ON ANY DAY. Names of your whole family will be cancelled from private izan list for a period of ONE YEAR and your names will be forwarded to Vazarat as per instructions from Vazarat.
who ever is making this rules he must be under 18 or may be he never step down from his airconditioned office,he is not aware of condition in real world.
just made me LOL
just imagine some body holding a GUN on your head to attend majlis,what would a person understand about hussain if he is forced to attend majlis? it shud be from heart not by holding gun on head.

It's you, whom is not aware of the conditions in Kenya my friend.. You should read the article about the Kenyan jameet somewhere in this forum..

[Ala maqaam]

6. NOTICE TO ALL THOSE RECORDED ABSENT ON ANY DAY. Names of your whole family will be cancelled from private izan list for a period of ONE YEAR and your names will be forwarded to Vazarat as per instructions from Vazarat.
who ever is making this rules he must be under 18 or may be he never step down from his airconditioned office,he is not aware of condition in real world.
just made me LOL
just imagine some body holding a GUN on your head to attend majlis,what would a person understand about hussain if he is forced to attend majlis? it shud be from heart not by holding gun on head.

It's you, whom is not aware of the conditions in Kenya my friend..

I know conditions in kenya,i am talking about the person who made this rules and made it compulsary to attend majlis.

[Conscíous]

Ala maqaam,
This person who has made those rules is in control and we can joke about it, but the consequents for not attending are something to not take so lightly..

[Conscíous]

Any comments from the guys in Nairobi ?
Will you follow these ultimatums or have you had examples where in past the consequences were experienced
Apart from mocking your issue you really have a chance to rise up and show a finger to the jam at committee and tell them go ahead excommunicate us let us see how many will be left following and try sustaining the tyranny on the few remaining and wajebat and sabeel collected.

ozmujaheed,
It's not only the situation in the community that is difficult to live in, but the whole country.. The bohris living there have no option/choice and no where else to go.. Do you know how bohris live in the Nairobi area??

[Al Zulfiqar]

You are going to sit in the mosque with a blank expression on your face and a glazed look in your eyes, thouroughly bored from the with the going ons, wondering when this 'tamasha' is going to get over so that you can run for a place in the thaal, eat to your heart's content and then come back and start posting how you observed us making fools of ourselves.

your responce to my post now, is going to be "how puerile and childish you are"

i thought that my posts made you bang your head against the wall and that you were bleeding profusely as a result, unable to get the strong urges for syedna while at work?

you had very confidently asserted that you would no longer respond to my posts... FULL STOP, you said. and yet here you are back again. do you have some sado-masochistic tendencies whereby you enjoy the pain of getting whipped and tortured? do i need to repeat that your postings are ignoble, puerile and lack sense?

what makes you ass-ume that i would attend and be a part of the grotesque caricature and hypocrisy which passes off as muharram among the bohras? i mourn in solitude, i starve, i shed tears and reflect on the bravery, defiance, integrity and faith in allah of hussain and the shohodas. its people like you and your fellow abdes who have no compunction coming back from the vaez majlis with your bellies full, while your forefathers died in utmost pain for islam to survive.

[profastian]

i mourn in solitude, i starve, i shed tears and reflect on the bravery, defiance, integrity and faith in allah of hussain and the shohodas.

Really ???

[ozmujaheed]

Mn you are very silent on the hunting issue, I have pasted photos, yet you have no words in mansoos's defense

[ozmujaheed]

Mn your unbiased position is appreciated

[Al Zulfiqar]

.. the very act of Muharram,

mn, what is for you, the "very act of muharram"?

is it maatam? is that all that muharram signifies for you? sitting around in circles, doing maatam on cue, then going back to somnolence, then again on well-rehearsed signals from the ringmaster, getting into a frenzy and going frantic beating your chest, shedding tears or 'making rova jevu moh', listening to false miracles of syedna and participating in listening to his constant elevation to a cult leader, exhortations to shower all your money, life, assets and wealth on him and his parasite family, watching videos of him doing ziyarat, meeting celebrities and entertaining known goondas like modi and thackeray, etc etc which have no relevance to the message and philosophy of kerbala, hussain or his illustrious father, and then finally attacking the food like hungry wolves, all the show and pretense at sorrow of the past few hours forgotten?

if this makes you bang your head again, then please let me encourage you, as it it will help you hallucinate about syedna during work hours and increase your strong urges for him...

[ozmujaheed]

Mn and the silent abdes,

If you do not agree with the Mansoos judgement call to participate in, if not a sinful, but wasteful sport, where does this leave you next time he states a ruling on the basis that following his instructions he guarantees you benefits in the hereafter and well being

If mansoos has erred , whether he after reading this scandalous thread, regrets it, leave the credibility of his guidance from a Imam, a living Diai , who surely would have granted him raza in a weak position.

I know abdes will rise in his defense for this mere fact that if we can question this judgement what next !

If by reading this next time he trumpets his inspirational sermons, let this incident bite your conscious and you will have new future and understand why many resist and object to the concept of a super-natural controlled monarchy that has evolved because of our weak faith and brainwashing

I will not be surprised if though publicly you cannot admit because you have invested your lives towards those bohra belief and if you agree with the objectionists you may fall into unknown strange and lonely space and specially I am not offering you an alternative faith just that you may be on the wrong highway?

[Ala maqaam]

atleast some thing is done for poor and needy

http://www.malumaat.com/adv/akhbar/item/3186.html

[Al Zulfiqar]

mn,

i now really do have serious concerns about yr health and sanity. your indiscretions with female colleagues at work has come to bite you in the butt, because unbeknownst to you, one of your dalliances must have been with a promiscous female who has definitely passed on some deadly std's to you.

as a student of the medical sciences, i know very well that some of these std's, syphilis in particular, when left untreated can affect the brain synapses and cause the affected patient to display mutated patterns of thought and behaviour. often these hapless and ignorant victims demonstrate murderous thoughts and some seriously affected actually carry them out in reality on a mass scale, esp. if they are unfortunately in positions of great power.

it is widely believed by scientists, medical researchers and anthropologists, that some of the most evil and blood-thirsty figures in history like attila the hun, caligula, genghis khan, adolf hitler and perhaps jack the ripper were all driven insane with advanced syphilis. they suffered from all the classical outward manifestations like extreme and confused thoughts, hallucinations, delusions of self-grandeur, violence, cruelty and the overwhelming need to exterminate and annihilate their perceived opponents. they derived sadistic pleasure from inflicting pain and misery upon others, and oftentimes on themselves. they vaccillated between inexplicable periods of empathy and tears of self-pity, to sudden onslaughts of bestiality and satanic behaviour.

you are already displaying some of these signs and need to introspect. conjuring up the syedna with strong urges may not help in this case.

[like_minded]

Mustu

You need to sharpen your ability of understanding.

It is not AZ who is mocking Muharram, But Kotharis... who have made this piece of history into a money making racket.

[Conscíous]

mustafanalwalla,
I would compare bohra muharram as a amusement park.. You buy a ticket, wait in line, everyone wants to sit in front and each seat is lined out and numbered individual.. The ride starts and you can see the expression on everyone's face and you can feel the bliss of this exceptional ride.. And after a few hours of joyful tears, you take time, to fill your little belly and return back home

[Ala maqaam]

mustafanalwalla,
I would compare bohra muharram as a amusement park.. You buy a ticket, wait in line, everyone wants to sit in front and each seat is lined out and numbered individual.. The ride starts and you can see the expression on everyone's face and you can feel the bliss of this exceptional ride.. And after a few hours of joyful tears, you take time, to fill your little belly and return back home

if this is what u noticed and feel about zikre hussain,then I am sorry for you

[Conscíous]

This is not how I feel but the way I see it my friend..

[Al Zulfiqar]

About the Kothar making this into a money-making racket, i dont know how. I have never paid anything during Muharram. Ramzan, yes, but Muharram, no. So maybe, whoever does pay money, probably does it voluntarily.
And about AZ, i beg to differ. Read any of his posts where he claims we
a. Make a "rowa jevu moh"
b. dance around doing Maatam
c. suggest we have a different beat and cadence for Maatam done for Imams Hassan and Hussain
etc.

mn, heard of the idiot who after listening to the entire ramayana, asks who is ram? you seem to be great friends with this guy!

a. fyi, syedna himself, his zaadas and his hired muscles, the amils, all have said this ad nauseum: "jo rovu na bhi aavtu hoi, to kum se kum rova jevu moh banavjo.." what do you do at all these muharram majlises you attend? sleep?? as soon as this phrase is uttered, everyone makes sobbing sounds and let their bodies tremble, as if racked with profound grief..

b. what do you call forming circles and stepping in unison, bending up and down and doing maatam in well-choreographed steps, the whole circle moving in a slow rhythm? does that resemble a dance, or crawling in grief??

c. syedna bombards the abdes with the shahadat of hussain and asks you to do maatam for him at all hours of the day, but then emulates the actions of hassan in real life. then when questioned, the abdes retort, well, hassan also was great, he compromised to save islam, but in a different way. so i ask, why doesnt syedna conduct maatame-hassan also as he whips up abdes in a frenzy over maatam-e-hussain? and i am told once again, but we do, we do maatam for hussain, hassan, ali, abbas etc. my casual observations show me that the majlises of muharram are referred to as maatame-hussain, the maatam conducted at all times and sundry are mentioned as maatame hussain, heck, even syedna's birthdays are celebrated with maatame hussain.

so thats why i suggest, why not institute a seperate maatam for hassan, since he was as great as hussain and his is the example that syedna follows most devoutly in practice? and if this maatam for hassan is carried out, lets give it a seperate identity, maybe a different beat or cadence, a unique sort of teen taal, so that the untrained ears of lesser mortals may easily understand that syedna is paying homage to his idol and mentor.

hope this clarifies and pacifies the abdes like mn, who just cannot grasp the mockery and ridicule being heaped upon the martyrs of kerbala by the kothari mafia.

[anajmi]

Actually mn is from those guys who will listen to the entire Ramayan and then ask who is Krishna!!

[mmv]

In wahez they say "rasulallah e farmayu ke je koi bhi mara nawasa husain par rose, rulavse ya rova jevu muh banavse, ehna waste me jannat no jaamin thav chu".
Is this saying of the Prophet (PBUH) in any Hadees or in any dawaat na kitaab?? I have heard some thing like this when Sura-e-Takathur was revealed.

[Conscíous]

Actually mn is from those guys who will listen to the entire Ramayan and then ask who is Krishna!!

Haha

[stranger]

Actually mn is from those guys who will listen to the entire Ramayan and then ask who is Krishna!!

Krishna was in Mahabharat, Not Ramayan. you fool
you should have confirmed it from your fellow idiots who gifted HANUMAN ( RAMAYAN) and KRISHNA CHARIOT (MAHABHARAT) to Modi recently .

[Muslim First]

Actually mn is from those guys who will listen to the entire Ramayan and then ask who is Krishna!!

Krishna was in Mahabharat, Not Ramayan. you fool
you should have confirmed it from your fellow idiots who gifted HANUMAN ( RAMAYAN) and KRISHNA CHARIOT (MAHABHARAT) to Modi recently .

Joke is on you br Stranger

Tell mhen you too get it.

[ghulam muhammed]

In wahez they say "rasulallah e farmayu ke je koi bhi mara nawasa husain par rose, rulavse ya rova jevu muh banavse, ehna waste me jannat no jaamin thav chu".

Oh Oh So this is one more criteria which needs to be adhered to other then the ruku chithi in order to get an unhindered entry to jannat.