Udaipur aamil beaten up by ortho women

[asad]

No Asaad, you are wrong. my mum paid Rs. 10,000/- for a pass last year. this was just after Muharram, when Maula was still in Andheri

Your mother must be a part of Ijtemai Ziyafat for mohallas/cities which is common after Muharram, large number of people are given pass with 10k(in your case) or bigger amount and the qadambosi which was free just few years back racks in big moolah for kothar.

In udaipur case their was no ziayafat pass but but still people paid, and when you know whole town has got the pass then definitely their is some dead rat some where.

[humanbeing]

Dear MN
Please justify this ridiculous sale of Passes for Kadambosi with regards to expression of devotion, faith, love, respect and honour of Sayedna saheb !

A Pass for Kadambosi Sold for Rs 10 or Rs 10,000 is unethical.

I had objected this practice of passes (when it was even free) and had put forward my argument to a tolerant Sheikh from the jamat office. I was given an explanation that; Advantage of Passes to Mikaats are:

• To organize and control the crowd in more effective manner.
• To achieve optimum use of resources expended for providing better facilities to attendees.
• Statistical Purposes
• To maintain Nizaam and order.

I was too gullible to believe such trash I guess !! No doubts this scheme of passes has fulfilled above mentioned advantage, but see what it has resulted in. In fact it now seems like a perfect Product Launch / Brand Promotion strategy using sentiments and faith of gullible bohra mumins.

First create an impressive registration process with fancy webpages and creative web designs. Issue instructions and Farman to commoners to register for Mikaats citing above mentioned advantages. Give away passes for free to test, ensure compliance and trial run to gauge the functionability of such organizing. Wait and watch the turnout and hysteria with limited passes. Create demand associated with devotions, faith, barakaat and fame of the event. And then Control the Supply to create revenue.

Limited passes are issued to Amils only. And Amils have the audacity to auction them into gullible commoners. This is not only the case in Udaipur. Amils of other cities have also indulged in such practices. It would be funny to believe that Kothar is not aware of such practice. An Amil would not move a muscle without Raza and Blessing of Kothar.
Amils of other cities have auctioned the valid passes into the masses. Udaipur Amil seemed to be more greedier than others, went on to duplicate the passes and sell them. He Shall be awarded with Con of the Month award !!

Now seemigly logical cover up for such a flare would be, Sayedna saheb or Mansoos Shehzada Mufaddal Bhaisaheb would be visiting Udaipur to meet those duped bohra mumins and shower them with double barakaat and cool their tempers.. Fraud done by that Amil will be lost and forgotten and he will be deputed in some far away location, where he can start from scratch to build his reputation.

• By Duplicating and Auctioning the passes this Amil has
• Cheated Sayedna Saheb and Daawat.
• He has betrayed the trust and faith of Sayedna saheb,
• Abused his position of Raza Na Saheb,

Thus He is a more dangerous Daawat No Dushman !! and shall be condemned and excommunicated from the community at once. He shall be stripped off his qualification, and pushed out of all the facilities of daawat.

[anajmi]

You are all looking at it from the wrong angle. Where do the original passes come from? Even the original passes are actually duplicates created by the kothar to make money from idiots like mustafanalwalla. Why does kadambosi have to cost money you moronic abdes?

Consider salaah/namaz which is the best form of worship of Allah (swt). It is absolutely free. Doesn't cost a penny to bow down before Allah. Infact Allah insists that when he sees you in the hereafter, none of the money you have will be of any use. The fact that Dai needs money from his abde idiots to worship him itself proves that the Dai is just as much of a fake as the cheating Amil. Infact the Dai is a bigger conman than this Amil.

[Conscíous]

I know this sounds very sinister but it gives me a lot of joy and pleasure to see how this people are getting ¤%#!ed over and over again, and still seem to want even more

[stranger]

Consider salaah/namaz which is the best form of worship of Allah (swt). It is absolutely free. Doesn't cost a penny to bow down before Allah.

This one has Hit Hard.

[ghulam muhammed]

You must understand, for us, if given the chance to do kadambosi, then Rs. 11,000/- is not a very large amount.

Abde bohras have not forgotten their hindu roots........... A poor hindu doesnt mind paying a few hundreds for a separate queue for the special category of worshippers at tirupati temple (similar to qadambosi pass), a rich hindu doesnt mind paying a few crores for the 'abhishek' of the balaji idol (similar to ziafat), the elite ones like vijay mallya and scam tainted politicians like reddy brothers dont mind giving diamond studded crown worth Rs.7 crores and Rs.44 crores respectively for their lord balaji (shiekhs with questionable conduct gifting rolls royce, making bungalows for the dai). The list of similarities is endless.....

[Muslim First]

Mustafa
but as for justifying paying a price, i dont want to simply because people do it of their own free will, no one is forced to buy a pass

Then what about forms you fill out which has a question anout last feet kissing date?

[Conscíous]

^^
Hehe

[bohra_manus]

Mustafa
but as for justifying paying a price, i dont want to simply because people do it of their own free will, no one is forced to buy a pass

Then what about forms you fill out which has a question anout last feet kissing date?

If the last Kadambosi date is blank, you get grief from Amil including don't you love Aqa Maula type of questioning.
This is from my personal experience.

[ghulam muhammed]

as for justifying paying a price, i dont want to simply because people do it of their own free will, no one is forced to buy a

Getting a qadambosi pass is like the employee signing the muster register of his office, a track record of his attendance or to put it in a simple way............. it is like the 'bhais' of other mohallas attending the wedding of the Don's brother, if anyone is found missing then "he is taken care of", "Khopche mein leke, kharcha pani de daal".

[anajmi]

First this,

but as for justifying paying a price, i dont want to simply because people do it of their own free will, no one is forced to buy a pass

and then this

Yeah, unfortunately, it seems to me to be something like that.

Seriously man? Within 3 posts your views change? Are you that fickle?

[anajmi]

mustafanalwala,

And now you change your stance again in one post. See what I mean when I say you are fickle?

If you are really as naive as you appear, then you deserve to be duped.

[humanbeing]

Hi Anajmi
MN is correct, no one forces or threaten to go for kadambosi or any other mikaat. However when such attendance is not seen or marked on the forms, this office holder sheikhs ridicule and question your affection. Also it depends on sheikh to sheikh, some mullas and sheikhs are too nosey and “Phokatya” to poke their nose or enjoy sadistic pleasures. This is more like a influencing technique. It all depends on how thick skinned a person is to such tricks and tease of Jamat office. Some people are so scared and gullible that, they become apologetic, while some keep cool nerves and ignore such ridicule and while some answer back to shut these sheikhs up. So there are all kinds of people dealing with this situation.
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HI MN
Well nops ! I wasn’t threatened.., the form had other weirder questions too, so as you say, it was just another box to tick

[anajmi]

mn,

As I have said already, you are rather naive and deserve to be duped. The kothar cannot threaten you with physical harm because if they happen to threaten someone with a pair (unlike people like you), they will end up in jail or even worst, with a rebellion as in happened in Udaipur. So they have found out new techniques of psychological coercion. People who have figured this out, aren't the ones lining up to kiss the Dai's feet!!

[anajmi]

So you display the existence of your spine by bending it in front of thieves and burglars?

[humanbeing]

What a disrespectful person master boot is. Please don’t pollute this forum with your postings. I hope admin taken note of this abusive & senseless post.

Also a suggestion to admin, can there be an option of “report abuse” where extremely abusive posts can be removed. It would be a herculean task for admin to read all the posts and delete them. I understand providing “Report Abuse” button would be used commonly then. However certain senior / regular / sane / neutral / intelligent members on this forum can be authorized to exercise report abuse button. Then accordingly admin can delete such post.
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Dear MN,

Please don’t respond to such degrading posts furthering personal arguments and slander.

[Admin]

Also a suggestion to admin, can there be an option of “report abuse” where extremely abusive posts can be removed. It would be a herculean task for admin to read all the posts and delete them. I understand providing “Report Abuse” button would be used commonly then. However certain senior / regular / sane / neutral / intelligent members on this forum can be authorized to exercise report abuse button. Then accordingly admin can delete such post.

There is a provision for reporting abusive posts. Use the first button (beside the "quote" button) at the top right of every post to warn us about offending posts. Thank you all for your efforts to keep this Forum clean and free of absue.

[anajmi]

i never bend in front of anyone except my Dai my friend.

And who do you think I was referring to when I said thieves and burglars?

[Conscíous]

Thank you all for your efforts to keep this Forum clean and free of absue.

How about taking some effort and taking care of your pets or is it allowed to harass, hassle and spam each and every thread??

[humanbeing]

What a classic excuse by Foolish believers !!

1) Udaipur Fake Passes Case : Several men work hard and earn peanuts in Kuwait, they save their hard-earned money and send it to their family in Udaipur. Women of the house bought this fake passes at a month’s expense which their hardworking men are saving sacrificing daily. So when this scam was out, Jamat members are cooling off tempers or fooling this gullible devout believers by saying that –

‘Niyat of doing kadambosi with a pure heart is equal to have performed kadambosi and have won the sharaf and barakat of Sayedna Saheb. Infact the frenzy and eagerness of buying passes has shown the intensity of the belief and valayaa of the buyer. Thus the barakaat and sharaf is manifold as compared to one who were luckily allotted passes. Thus mumineen don’t panic or grief over lost money. Whatever we have is our maula’s dua and hikmat. When we say to sacrifice our lives with Jaan and Maal, then why fret over maal which is lost. However person who has cheated dear believers of maula, will repent in life, but be rest assured that your Niyat of Kadambosi stands fulfilled and Maula accepts your valayaa and grants you barakaat, barakaat and barakaat !’

2) Communication with after life : When this sms / audio clipping of Mansoos Mufaddal Bhai Saheb is under heavy discussion, of course there are fantastic people who live in wonderland believing this fairy tale. However few orthodox bohra are embarrassed to defend such fantastic claim, so they come out with a sympathetic excuse that –

‘It is a dream, which Mufaddal Maula has seen, due to profound grief and attachment with Huzaifa Bhaisaab’

Sad Irony of the situation is, those who believe that it’s a made up story, yet embarrassingly defending by such justification to settle their own conscience.

[humanbeing]

What happen to Udaipur Amil ? Did people recieve thier cash back ? Any update with this matter ?

[humanbeing]

Hi Mustafa Bhai !

Please relax !! this post has no connection with your words !

However few orthodox bohra are embarrassed to defend such fantastic claim

After this revelation incident, lot of discussion used to happen in social circles. Most bohra are justifying it as a dream ! Some saying it as pure dream and some saying it as out of shock, awe and grief. And Ofcourse some fantastic people believe it to be true !! I posted this observation from my recent interaction with few employees of a printing press, owned and run by bohra mumins. This 2 topics were prime time discussions

Also for your reference check the dates of this post, its much before our recent conversation.
C’mon !!

[Al Zulfiqar]

‘It is a dream, which Mufaddal Maula has seen, due to profound grief and attachment with Huzaifa Bhaisaab’

Everywhere, and i repeat EVERYWHERE that i have mentioned this, i have added a caveat that "maybe" or "possibly" or "perhaps". That too, with a rational reason, based on human psychology.

after reading nalwala's posts, wherein he speculates about muffy's dreams (just as he gets strong orgasmic urges and dreams about syedna) when muffy himself has categorically and publicly spoken about how hoze' SPOKE to him from the grave and had close encounters with the panjatan; i can also say that nalwala is 'possibly' insane, 'maybe' stark raving mad, 'perhaps' absolutely empty in his cranium with bats in his belfry, 'could be' completely a raving lunatic and an idiot etc.

this does not imply that nalwala is any of the above (although the chances that i am 99% correct are quite 'possible'). you see i too have added caveats and "That too, with a rational reason, based on human psychology."

[ghulam muhammed]

‘Niyat of doing kadambosi with a pure heart is equal to have performed kadambosi and have won the sharaf and barakat of Sayedna Saheb

This is exactly what the zaadas tell poor bohras wanting to go for haj but cannot go due to financial constraints......... "Mola haqiqi kaaba chhe, emna deedar karo toh haj kabool chhe".

[Al Zulfiqar]

thank you! i must give you credit though for having the ability to laugh at yrself.... that may well be your saving grace, inspite of and 'maybe', 'perhaps', 'could be' that you are completely mad...