PROGGIES please stand up!

[Adam]

As questioned by me and my friend Profastian.
We don't seem to see any "Progressive Dawoodi Bohras" on this forum.
If there are any, please show yourself. All I see are Either Abdes on one side and Wahabis and "Dawoodi Bohra" haters on the other. No Proggies.
My defintion of a Proggy:

True Proggies believe everything in DB faith (imams, dais, their books etc etc etc etc) and only have problem with 51st and 52nd Dai.

Anajmis defintion of a Proggy:

who believe everything in DB faith (imams, dais, their books etc etc etc etc) and only have problem with 51st and 52nd Dai and their perversion of the dawoodi bohra faith.

Proggies, please stand up!

[Udaipuri]

Proggies will stand up when abdes stop bending:

[Adam]

@Udaipuri
Cowardice reply.
Do you consider yourself a Proggy?

[Udaipuri]

Cowardly? That's rich coming from the one who runs and hides behnid Daim the moment he is caught with his pants down.
Foreget about proggies, talk about yourself. First of all you people are not even Dawoodi Bohras. You're Abdes. Slaves of Dai. Stop calling yourself Dawoodi Bohras. You're an insult to the comminty and its heritage and an affront to all the sacred literature that you keep tom-toming about. People with folded hands, bent backs who worship humans and royal children are not Dawoodi Bohras. You're a slave and slave you shall remain. Proggies are slaves of Allah and are doing Allah's work by exposing the imposter Dai and his "royal family".

[Doctor]

As questioned by me and my friend Profastian.
We don't seem to see any "Progressive Dawoodi Bohras" on this forum.
If there are any, please show yourself. All I see are Either Abdes on one side and Wahabis and "Dawoodi Bohra" haters on the other. No Proggies.
My defintion of a Proggy:

True Proggies believe everything in DB faith (imams, dais, their books etc etc etc etc) and only have problem with 51st and 52nd Dai.

Anajmis defintion of a Proggy:

who believe everything in DB faith (imams, dais, their books etc etc etc etc) and only have problem with 51st and 52nd Dai and their perversion of the dawoodi bohra faith.

Proggies, please stand up!

Brother Adam,

Search for posts from "Doctor", you will get reply for your above and many more queries.

Thanks,

[Al Zulfiqar]

my reply to adam's directive " PROGGIES PLEASE STAND UP" is this:

"REGRESSIVES PLEASE BEND DOWN" (in sajda of course)

[ghulam muhammed]

my reply to adam's directive " PROGGIES PLEASE STAND UP" is this:

"REGRESSIVES PLEASE BEND DOWN" (in sajda of course)

Bro AZ,

Abdes dont know anything other then BENDING............... Hence STANDING is a luxury for them.

[Adam]

@DOCTOR
I'm sorry, there's just too much to read.
If you can state your stance in one or two sentences, it would be great.

Proggies on this forum still haven't come up. Where are they?

[Al Zulfiqar]

Proggies on this forum still haven't come up. Where are they?

adam,

are you a complete retard or what??? havent I already told you that all the progressives are lurking INSIDE your jamaats??

cant understand english??!!

[Doctor]

@DOCTOR
I'm sorry, there's just too much to read.
If you can state your stance in one or two sentences, it would be great.

Proggies on this forum still haven't come up. Where are they?

Bhai Adam,

I am Dawoodi Bohra Ismailiya Shia. And I disapprove all anti-DB-faith acts of Bade Mulla Ji MH and his father TS.

[Adam]

@Doctor
WOW! Finally, the first Proggy type person i've met on this forum (i think). THANK YOU.
So, since you don't follow Syedna Taher Saifuddin, which Dai and sources and scripts do you follow? Until Syedna Abdullah Badruddin 50th Dai, or before that also? Please clarify.

[Doctor]

@Doctor
WOW! Finally, the first Proggy type person i've met on this forum (i think). THANK YOU.
So, since you don't follow Syedna Taher Saifuddin, which Dai and sources and scripts do you follow? Until Syedna Abdullah Badruddin 50th Dai, or before that also? Please clarify.

From Aadam Qulli (a.s.) till 46th Dai al Mutlaq Molana Mohammed Badruddin (R), Mustakar Imam-uz-zaman and their progeny (from Molatina Fatima) till end of world - their all literature.

[Doctor]

Dear brother Adam,

In your many post you were seeking 'Progressive Dawoodi Bohras', and in this thread you appealed them to stood up. So I have respected your call and stood up, but it seems you have now sat down!

Let's discuss the character and 'amal' of bade mulla ji TS and his son MB and check/derive if they are in compliance with the Fatimi/DB Dawat/Shariyat? Or are you afraid?

Thanks,

[Adam]

From Aadam Qulli (a.s.) till 46th Dai al Mutlaq Molana Mohammed Badruddin (R), Mustakar Imam-uz-zaman and their progeny (from Molatina Fatima) till end of world - their all literature.

Wow, great. Now that's a true Proggy!
Just because I take some time to reply, doesn't mean i've sat down. I've got other work to do you know.

About the discussing the 51st or 52 th Dai. What would make more sense is to discuss what is common to us, because you don't follow them. Maybe we can discuss up to 46th Dai?

Also, since you follow "all the literature" of the Fatimids? How come I don't see you defending Female Circumcision, when it is clearly stated in Daim ul Islam (a book you claim to follow). Or do you have any hidden agendas to that?

[porus]

Both Adam and Doctor are faithful followers of 'Ilm of ahl-e-bayt', each according to their beliefs. I think that discussion between them would prove very enlightening.

I suggest that Doctor initiates the challenge by quoting specific issues which leads him to stop at the 46th Dai and then Adam can respond.

[anajmi]

I don't think that is going to happen. You should've seen Adam's modus operandi by now. Look at this statement of his.

About the discussing the 51st or 52 th Dai. What would make more sense is to discuss what is common to us, because you don't follow them. Maybe we can discuss up to 46th Dai?

He has already eliminated the possibility of discussing 51st and 52nd Dai. Infact he has now asked the Doctor to come out in support of FGM based on Daimul Islam.

[Adam]

That's exactly what Porus said.

About the answering Female Circumcision, I simply wanted Doctor to stand by the sources he claims to believe in and follow

[SBM]

My Observation about Adam
I used to respect his views but all his nonsense of TELL ME WHAT YOU BELIEVE IN shows a person who is hollow in his knowledge and can only discuss what he is told by KOTHARI Goons
Adam here are the simple question tell us
1- Are you a Kothari Planted Mulla on this forum, a simple yes or no
2-Where are you really based?- We are afraid of retribution from Kothari Goons like you to our loved ones that is why we hide it, how about you?
3-What is your qualification, what level of secret Sabaks did you finish?
4-Do you have GUTS to send laanats to 3 Khalifas in front of a SUNNI Muslim leader or a follower? (can be arranged with News reporter present)
5-If Sunni and other Shia do not follow the Islamic way as practiced by you and KOthari Goons how come Syedna and his Goons keep meeting with the
Consul General of Muslim Countries and facilitate them ( Do not give the stupied answer like it is political, Imam Hussain did not play politics) and how come the largest SHIA country Iran has no DB Markaz or Masjid
6-Why Syedna and his Goons are not able to get a Bohra Masjid in Kuwait despite kissing their A--.

[Udaipuri]

Hey Adam,
anajmi, al zulifiqar and I are waiting for our answers to our questions. Who's being a coward now? Who needs to man up? C'mon now, we're waiting to be dazzled by the mega watt knowledge and secret sources on the basis of which you abde bohras are dirven to worship humans. C'mon reveal your sources, we're all waiting with bated breath.

[anajmi]

Adam isn't going to be able to come back with any answers. When the going gets tough, Adam, just like his Dai, will run. He cannot give us anything outside the sabak that a sabak trained parrot won't give us. Critical thinking, use of Aql, these are things that are alien to sabak trained abde idiots.

[Adam]

Sorry, what were the questions again?
There's so much off the track, off the thread chatter that goes on that you can't keep to one topic. Please start a new one.
Before that, Udaipuri, please state your beliefs, it will be easier for me to answer. Which sect of Islam you follow and where till.
I know Anajmi s, so I don't try to quote Shia/Ismaili/Fatimi texts to him, because it doesn't mean a thing to him, because that's not what he believes in.

[Udaipuri]

Adam,
Forget about my beliefs, the questions we are asking is nothing to do with our beliefs. You just answer them according to your beliefs, that's what matters. So, my question is state your beliefs and sources which allow abde bohras to worship humans (see picture above, and see similar pictures all over abde sites especially of Dai). The answer to this question does not depend on my beliefs, they depend on yours. Stop beating about the bush, and answer the question. Be a man!
And these are the questions, anajmi has asked you:
http://dawoodi-bohras.com/forum/viewtop ... 969#p90772
Just answer them according to your beliefs, ok. That's not asking for too much. Who knows, if we like your answers we'll change our beliefs to yours, promise. So, come on, give it a try. You've nothing to lose, in fact there's a possibility you might gain a few converts. Come on now, adam adam adam adam!!!!!

[Adam]

Just answer them according to your beliefs, ok. That's not asking for too much. Who knows, if we like your answers we'll change our beliefs to yours, promise. So, come on, give it a try. You've nothing to lose, in fact there's a possibility you might gain a few converts. Come on now, adam adam adam adam!!!!!

Converting is not in my hands. It is the will of Allah, so I really don't need to care whether you believe in or not.

Secondly, you're the one whose asking the question, so I need to know "WHO" is asking and what sort of mindset they belong to.
Why are you people so scared to clarify your own beliefs? Do you not know what you stand for?

[Udaipuri]

I am a Dawoodi Bohra. I was born in a Dawoodi Bohra household. For generations my family is a Dawoodi Bohra. My beliefs are the same as those of my ancestors. Happy?
And no, the answers to our questions do not depend on our beliefs. But just to humor you I've told you about my beliefs. So now come on, be out with it.

[profastian]

I am a Dawoodi Bohra. I was born in a Dawoodi Bohra household. For generations my family is a Dawoodi Bohra. My beliefs are the same as those of my ancestors. Happy?
And no, the answers to our questions do not depend on our beliefs. But just to humor you I've told you about my beliefs. So now come on, be out with it.

Nobody is interested in your family and your ancestors. We need to know what YOU believe in. Do YOU consider Syedna Burhanuddin as your DAI and leader in all religious and temporal matters?

[Udaipuri]

Why are you butting in Mr. Prof?

[profastian]

Why are you butting in Mr. Prof?

Look who is talking about butting in

[anajmi]

Consider this hypthetical situation that demonstrates the stupidity of the abde idiots asking for your beliefs.

A religious man gets caught for committing fraud in the name of religion. Apparently, he was charging money for people to kiss his feet, when that was not allowed in his religion. He is brought before a judge. This is the conversation between him and the judge.

Judge - Mr. Fraudster. You have been charged with committing fraud in the name of religion. How do you plead?
Religions Fraud - Not Guilty.
Judge - I have studied your religion. Feet kissing is not allowed in your religion.
Religious Fraud - What religion do you believe in.
Judge - What religion I believe in doesn't matter. I know that your religion doesn't allow kissing of feet.
Religious Fraud - Who is your authority.
Judge - I have studied the books the talk about your religion and feet kissing is not allowed. Charging money for feet kissing is also a sin.
Religious Fraud - Who is your authority? Who taught you these religious books?
Judge - There are many scholars of your religion that claim feet kissing is not allowed.
Religious Fraud - Who is your authority for making such a claim?
Judge - Who is your authority behind allowing you to make feet kissing and extortion legal in your religion?
Religious Fraud - First you tell me who is your authority.
Judge - Throw this idiot in Jail.
Religious Fraud - Who is your authority?

[Udaipuri]

Nice, anajmi! If only if it was so easy to throw him (and his defenders) in jail?
Prof, think of a better comeback!

[Conscíous]

Why are you butting in Mr. Prof?

Look who is talking about butting in

hehe ^^