He can consider him fallible or infallible, he is 100% bohra as long as he has love in his heart and considers he the DAI his rightful leader. And those people are 0% bohra who have hatred in their hearts for the DAI, no matter how much sabeel they pay, whether they carry an ejamaat card or not, or how much love they have for the 51 Duats and the Imams.asad wrote:Mustafa,mustafanalwalla wrote:
Profastian
Progticide
Stranger
Aqs
AliRehbar
HotSaif
Guy Sam
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I counted 8 already. And i for one do not doubt my faith, but yes, i do doubt the infallability aspect because i believe that He too, is only a human being with feet of clay
I had only counted Adam, Profastian and you. you can add progticide to the group and it will make you 3.25. Ask Adam and Progticide they will not consider you a .25 bohra also with questioning or having doubts. and a person with feet of clay may break down so how can you base your faith in him
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what rubbish, this is neither news paper nor a magazine, this is a open forum,if people had problems they must have come here and commented.ozmujaheed wrote:Ar what rubbish...have you ever realized 1 million people read a newspaper but only 10-20 journalist write articles
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Admin,
This ala maqam, poet etc etc in his fresh new avtar as AliRahbar is nothing but a nuisance value who has planted himself here to disrupt the forum. His posts and comments are not only childish and stupid but a deliberate attempt to antagonise others and waste space on this forum. It is requested that you kindly censure his posts and prevent him from taking part in discussions which are way above his tiny head and beyond his understanding. He himself has admitted that he is here only for TIME PASS hence such lumpen elements should be shown the door.
This ala maqam, poet etc etc in his fresh new avtar as AliRahbar is nothing but a nuisance value who has planted himself here to disrupt the forum. His posts and comments are not only childish and stupid but a deliberate attempt to antagonise others and waste space on this forum. It is requested that you kindly censure his posts and prevent him from taking part in discussions which are way above his tiny head and beyond his understanding. He himself has admitted that he is here only for TIME PASS hence such lumpen elements should be shown the door.
AliRahbar wrote:I am here to see how ignorant a man can be......just for time pass nothing more.
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Even I m 100 % Bohra
I believe Position of Dai is rightful leader.
Same as MN; I may consider Dai fallible, disagree with hunting of animals, and stand shoulder to shoulder with anyone who oppose Kothari atrocities outside saifee mahal, condemn those who embezzle daawat’s money.
Even the official position of Reformist / Progressive Bohra is 100 % Bohra
They believe in Dai as rightful leader.
Same as MN ; They may consider Dai as Fallible, they disagree hunting of animals and are standing shoulder to shoulder with anyone who oppose Kothari atrocities outside saifee mahal. Condemn those who embezzle daawat’s money.
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Hi MN
Please don’t misunderstand me using your name / POV to offend you. I m just trying to express a point to dear abde. However if you feel offended. My apologies.
I believe Position of Dai is rightful leader.
Same as MN; I may consider Dai fallible, disagree with hunting of animals, and stand shoulder to shoulder with anyone who oppose Kothari atrocities outside saifee mahal, condemn those who embezzle daawat’s money.
Even the official position of Reformist / Progressive Bohra is 100 % Bohra
They believe in Dai as rightful leader.
Same as MN ; They may consider Dai as Fallible, they disagree hunting of animals and are standing shoulder to shoulder with anyone who oppose Kothari atrocities outside saifee mahal. Condemn those who embezzle daawat’s money.
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Hi MN
Please don’t misunderstand me using your name / POV to offend you. I m just trying to express a point to dear abde. However if you feel offended. My apologies.
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@humanbeing
I'm sorry, but I find that extremely hard to accept.
On this Forum, from the "opposition" (non abdes) you will only hear insults to the Dai, his Mansoos and Dawoodi Bohra beliefs and not much support for its practices.
They believe in Dai as rightful leader.
I'm sorry, but I find that extremely hard to accept.
On this Forum, from the "opposition" (non abdes) you will only hear insults to the Dai, his Mansoos and Dawoodi Bohra beliefs and not much support for its practices.
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@Adam
Everyone speaks for themselves here. Because they vent their personal opinion out, that doesn’t generalize opinion of all. By that parameters I have come across many abdes who are subjectively criticising Kothari leadership.
Everyone speaks for themselves here. Because they vent their personal opinion out, that doesn’t generalize opinion of all. By that parameters I have come across many abdes who are subjectively criticising Kothari leadership.
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You can bad mouth Kothar to your heart's content but as soon as you bad mouth the DAI, you cease to be a bohra, period..humanbeing wrote:@Adam
Everyone speaks for themselves here. Because they vent their personal opinion out, that doesn’t generalize opinion of all. By that parameters I have come across many abdes who are subjectively criticising Kothari leadership.
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So you are saying that the Dai is running a corrupt organization without having a clue? Not too infallible if he couldn't even select the right kind of people to work for him. The Imam selected him and he selected the kothar? What a shame!!
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Any person who badmouths anyone ceases to be a good human being... Objecting wrong practices is not bad mouthing. Its the language used in expressing the objection determines bad mouthing.profastian wrote:You can bad mouth Kothar to your heart's content but as soon as you bad mouth the DAI, you cease to be a bohra, period..
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Bhai every decision of dai is not his own but from hidden imam (as per we listen in our amil's bayyan)& our dai is also malik of gaib .So if this is true then how a corrupt system is running?so this organization is not under supervision of true Imam & Imam is not with us,Imam is certainly with others.anajmi wrote:So you are saying that the Dai is running a corrupt organization without having a clue? Not too infallible if he couldn't even select the right kind of people to work for him. The Imam selected him and he selected the kothar? What a shame!!