Is Dr.Syedna Burhannudin truely a Dai ?

[Danish]

Porus,

"It is claimed that since Quran already revealed what science is just beginning to discover, then only God could have written it."

Disbelievers can claim what they want. Since you refuse to believe in GOD and/or the Quran, there's lies no truth or relevancy in any explanations given to you.

[anajmi]

Dannyboy,

Being unique has nothing to do with being right. Even the devil is unique!!

[anajmi]

porus,

you spoke about society making the right rules, see, society did not come before religion, infact the first man on earth was the man who brought religion with him. Of course here we go into the realm of faith which you do not have, so you will not agree with me.

[Muddai]

society did not come before religion, infact the first man on earth was the man who brought religion with him.

Interesting...then there must not have been a need for the Prophet to convert anybody. Correct ?

[Danish]

Anajmi,

Being unique has nothing to do with being right. Even the devil is unique!!

Agree. Even you are unique!

[Khairan]

> please identify an ayat which states a 'yet undiscovered fact' by scientists. Something physical or biological will be nice.

porus,

The problem with a challenge like this is that any answer produced is unlikely to be believed. Also, any answer can be produced, and will do nothing to further the argument on either side, because naturally, science has not yet verified the claim.

However, the obvious response would get us back to that prickly issue of evolution - I imagine most Muslims would argue that the Qur'an, in defiance of modern scietific beliefs, speaks to preformationism. If in a hundred or a thousand years it is somehow proven that evolution does not in fact occur, then your question will have been answered.

[quresh8719]

Bismillah Hir Rahman Nir Rahim,
I seek refuge with Allah the All knowing the All merciful from Shaitan the accursed,
Dear Muslims..,
I yet have not got an appropriate answer to my very first post on this thread I challenge any bohra to answer it.

[ponga bhori]

Ofcourse all of the Bohra community ( including the Progressive ) believe that he is truely a Dai.If they doubt even a wee bit they would not be Bhoris. They have to believe, period. They cannot in thier true faith question about him being the dai or what he should/not do.
You have quested, you are not one of them.

And no answers to people who have no belief in the Dai.

[porus]

Originally posted by quresh8719:
Bismillah Hir Rahman Nir Rahim,
I seek refuge with Allah the All knowing the All merciful from Shaitan the accursed,

Writing this couplet every time before you begin your post, while completely pointless, does advetise your, oh soooo "holier than thou" attitude. OK. I accept you are very holy.

Actually, most will recite the second slogan first and then follow it with basmallah. Why are you doing it the opposite way, I wonder? Is it because it is translated from Arabic, which is written right to left?

And, Sayedna is truly, yes, very truly, the Dai.

Now if you think that Sayedna does not correspond to your idea of the Dai, then I suggest you consider me as one. Better yet, consider yourself one as you are amongst the most holy on this board. For me it is a toss up between Quresh and Danish, another holy person next to God. So you two sort out who it is going to be. Me, I will stick with Sayedna.

[ponga bhori]

Dear Quresh,

He is STUCK with the Moulana.
What about you?
This Porus does not like ..."I seek refuge with Allah ......from the Devil the accursed"
invariablly he always has commented on it.

You are right ......let us all seek refuge from devil the accursed ..........

[Danish]

Porus wrote:

Now if you think that Sayedna does not correspond to your idea of the Dai, then I suggest you consider me as one. Better yet, consider yourself one as you are amongst the most holy on this board. For me it is a toss up between Quresh and Danish, another holy person next to God. So you two sort out who it is going to be. Me, I will stick with Sayedna.

Check the bold above. Read Porus's previous posts and you'll fine that he is an absolute disbeliver of everything, including himself. As I've mentioned several times earlier, Porus is truely a confused, dislodged and a derainged individual NO WHERE to go but to invite and confuse others with him in "every which way but loose". So watch out guys for Satan and his kind.

My previous message to Porus:
Disbelievers can claim what they want. Since you refuse to believe in GOD and/or the Quran, there's lies no truth or relevancy in any explanations given to you.

[quresh8719]

BISMILLAH HIR RAHMAN NIR RAHIM,
I seek refuge with Allah the All Knowing, the All Merciful from Shaitan accursed,

Writing this couplet every time before you begin your post, while completely pointless, does advetise your, oh soooo "holier than thou" attitude. OK. I accept you are very holy.

Dear Porus,
Greetings be to those who are the followers of righteous guidance, I bid you to hear the divine call of Allah accept Islam for your salvation,
Well, I have really never written BISMILLAH HIR RAHMAN NIR RAHIM, with the intention of advertising my holiness or anyone elses holiness. The Fact why I do so is as our Holy prophet has always spoken in the name of God the most Beneficent, the most merciful and I would like to follow his example. I donnot need your acceptance but I need Allah Taala's, You are lead by greed I am lead by God,

Now if you think that Sayedna does not correspond to your idea of the Dai, then I suggest you consider me as one. Better yet, consider yourself one as you are amongst the most holy on this board. For me it is a toss up between Quresh and Danish, another holy person next to God. So you two sort out who it is going to be. Me, I will stick with Sayedna

And say,"Praise be to Allah, Who hath never taken a son, who has no partner in his sovereigniy, who has no supportor out of weakness." and proclaim his greatness continuasly.
Neither am I equal to Allah nor is the syedna nor is Danish. You really seek help with Allah.

[quresh8719]

BISMILLAH HIR RAHMAN NIR RAHIM,
I sek refuge with Allah the All Knowing, the most High from Shaitan accursed,
I yet have not got an answer from any bohra

[porus]

Dear Quresh,

>>You are lead by greed I am lead by God

That is definitely a "holier than thou" attitude.

Would you say that your statement that you are emulating the holy prophet is not advertising your holiness?

Wanting to be holy is an aspect of greed. You, sir, are very greedy indeed, and arrogant to boot!

Let me suggest an alternative spiritual practice. Your purpose in life is to be most like yourself. Indeed, if you take away all the shit that you have accumulated in your mind since your birth, you will become most like yourself. When you know your true self, you will then know God. You will not need to look into any scripture.

Did not the holy prophet say "He who knows himself, knows his lord'?

In Arabic, "Man arafa nafsa-hu, fa arafa rabba-hu".

So the end of Quran is to know oneself. Not to proclaim to the world that you can always write two lines of basmallah to advertise how holy you are. If you wish to please God that way, then say it to yourself silently to God. God will listen to you. I am sure he is not interested in whether I am aware of your appeals to him.

Salaams to you.

[quresh8719]

BISMILLAH HIR RAHMAN NIR RAHIM,
I seek refuge with Allah the most Beneficent, the most Merciful,

Dear Porus,
Greetings be to those who are the followers of righteous guidance. I Bid you to hear the divine call of Allah, Accept Islam for your salvation.
The truth pains dear Porus

That is definitely a "holier than thou" attitude.

Would you say that your statement that you are emulating the holy prophet is not advertising your holiness?

Wanting to be holy is an aspect of greed. You, sir, are very greedy indeed, and arrogant to boot!

Well I have nothing to say to you!!! Everyone has their own thoughts if you think Following the Holy Prophet and letting people know about it for their own good is advertising for greed I cannot stop you from thinking thus. But I would like to ask you some questions what gain do I ask you off you? Do I even know you?? Why should I let you know why I begin with Bismillah Hir Rahman Nir Rahim??? Am I obligied to do so??
"Successful indeed are the Beleivers who are Humble who shun vain conversation, "
Well best in Allah's eyes is Dawah and calling people to Islam. Therefore as a muslim I will call you to Islam with patience and love. May Allah Bless you and give you all you want.
"Oh Allah forgive Porus and treat him with the same kindness you have treated me with and surely I shall meet my Lord. Ameen" I request all the people on this Forum to ask Allah for what I have asked for.

Let me suggest an alternative spiritual practice. Your purpose in life is to be most like yourself. Indeed, if you take away all the shit that you have accumulated in your mind since your birth, you will become most like yourself. When you know your true self, you will then know God. You will not need to look into any scripture.
Did not the holy prophet say "He who knows himself, knows his lord'?
In Arabic, "Man arafa nafsa-hu, fa arafa rabba-hu".

Yes you are absolutely right Allah the most High advises people to know creation which includes yourself. I am Human, I make mistakes, I am not perfect, I need guidance from someone who has received it. I may feel like doing anything but that is not for what we are created , not for our own selfish selves , we must adopt orpans, pay the poor their due, look after our parents..........

[porus]

Originally posted by quresh8719:
BISMILLAH HIR RAHMAN NIR RAHIM,

[porus]

Dear Quresh,

That was finger trouble! I am not perfect, after all. Just like you, Quresh, your holiness!

Proper transliteration of basmallah is "bismillahi (a)r-rahmaani (a)r-raheem(i). Sounds in parentheses are silent in speech.

Thanks for interceding to Allah on my behalf. Your prayers will save me from hell. Danish has already condemned me to hell. I hope your intercession is more favorable to Allah than Danish's.

You have nothing to gain in writing basmallah on this board except to demonstrate that you are holy. It makes you feel holy and make others feel less than holy. It does not work. I suggest you recite basmallah to yourself before posting. Allah will hear you. Trust Allah.

Stop being arrogant. There are others on this board, who have read the Quran and, in addition, have good grounding in Arabic, so they do not need any partisan translation.

The way you transliterate basmallah indicates you have poor knowledge of Arabic.

Salaams to you and to every one, whether they are guided "righteously" or not.

[anajmi]

porus,

you are being a bully. If he likes to post bismillah let him do it. By saying that he has nothing to gain, you are being ignorant.

What have you gained by posting anything at all on this board?

[anajmi]

during the Hudaibiya treaty signing, the prophet asked Hazrat Ali to strike out Rasulallah from the front of his name as the Quraysh did not recognize him as the Rasul, and Hazrat Ali refused to do it. The prophet had to do it himself.

Was Hazrat Ali also demonstrating a holier than thou attitude?

[porus]

Dear Anajmi,

I am not asking His Holiness Quresh not to post basmallah. Even if I did, I do not believe that I will succeed and he will continue to do it.

I am suggesting that that is his way of demonstrating his 'holiness'. And it is pointless. Only he, and Danish, are doing it on this board. Of course, I am not suggesting anyone to stop reciting basmallah.

And Ali refused Prophet's request? Now, why do I find that less than believable?

[jinx]

Is Dr.Syedna Burhannudin truely a Dai ?

Only in name.

Does he call people towards Islam?
No. He or at least his family is corrupting our teaching and enriching his clan

So technically he is not a dai.

[quresh8719]

BISMILLAH HIR RAHMAN NIR RAHIM,
I seek refuge with Allah The Most Gracious, the most Merciful from Shaitan accursed,
Dear Porus,
Greetings be to those who are the followers of righteous guidance. I bid you to hear the divine call of Allah accept Islam for your Salvation.

Originally posted by Porus:
Thanks for interceding to Allah on my behalf. Your prayers will save me from hell. Danish has already condemned me to hell. I hope your intercession is more favorable to Allah than Danish's.

Allah the All hearing, the All Knowing, knows better. No soul is burdened more than what it can bear and nobody shall be wronged when the hour comes.
110 : Succour
110:1 When comes the Help of Allah, and Victory,(of course which is already coming by 2025 Islam shall be the largest religion, Islam is the fastest growing religion,)
110:2 And thou dost see the people enter Allah's Religion in crowds,(mentioned above)
110:3 Celebrate the praises of thy Lord, and pray for His Forgiveness: For He is Oft-Returning (in Grace and Mercy)

Originally posted by Porus:
Stop being arrogant. There are others on this board, who have read the Quran and, in addition, have good grounding in Arabic, so they do not need any partisan translation.

Sura - 23 The Believers (Al-Mu'minun)
Order Of Revelation 74, Verses: 118
[23:0] In the name of God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful
[23:1] Successful indeed are the believers;
[23:2] who are reverent during their Contact Prayers (Salat).
[23:3] And they avoid vain talk.
[23:4] And they give their obligatory charity (Zakat).
[23:5] And they maintain their chastity.
[23:6] Only with their spouses, or those who are rightfully theirs, do they have sexual relations; they are not to be blamed.
[23:7] Those who transgress these limits are the transgressors.
[23:8] When it comes to deposits entrusted to them, as well as any agreements they make, they are trustworthy.
[23:9] And they observe their Contact Prayers (Salat) regularly.
[23:10] Such are the inheritors.
[23:11] They will inherit Paradise, wherein they abide forever.

Did I ever deny that there are others on this board who of course by Allah Taalas Grace know the Quran Sharif better than I do. I am sure You too may be knowing it better than me.your knowledge in translating arabic shows thus.
"But Allah leadeth astray whom He wills"

[quresh8719]

Bismillah Hir Rahman Nir Rahim,
I seek refuge with Allah the Most Gracious, The Most high from Shaitan Accursed,
I YET HAVE NOT GOT AN APPROPRIATE ANSWER FROM THE KOTHAR OR THE BOHRAS.

[Muddai]

Bismillah Hir Rahman Nir Rahim,
I seek refuge with Allah the Most Gracious, The Most high from Shaitan Accursed,

[23:1] Successful indeed are the believers;

Please provide examples of the above....

Thanks !

[quresh8719]

Bismillah Hir Rahman Nir Rahim,
I seek refuge with Allah the All Kowing, The Most Gracious from Shaitan the accursed.
Dear Muddai,
Greetings be to those whoare the
followers of righteous guidance,
First I' like to inform you that you have quoted of half what the Quran al hakimsays about success to believers here is the full quote.
[23:1] Successful indeed are the believers;
[23:2] who are reverent during their Contact Prayers (Salat).
[23:3] And they avoid vain talk.
[23:4] And they give their obligatory charity (Zakat).
[23:5] And they maintain their chastity.
[23:6] Only with their spouses, or those who are rightfully theirs, do they have sexual relations; they are not to be blamed.

EXAMPLES
Lets go back right into the depths of time.
1.The prophets ofAllah all have been successful in their mission whoever it may be may it be Nuh Nabi(May Allah Bless Nuh and his Family just as he purified and blessed Ibrahim and his progency)
or Muhammad Nabi (May Allah Bless Nuh and his Family just as he purified and blessed Ibrahim and his progency)
2. After the prophets death, his grandson even afer being matryed in the battle won victory as eventually yazid was dethroned.

Now lets step into our times.
However these examples are not to form the bases of your faith because there is no doubt that Islam is the truth and that there is only One God and Muhammad is his messenger, Isa is his messenger, Musa is his messenger, Dhul kifl is his messenger, Lut is his............
1. Are not the Arab countries flourising with their oil deposists
2. Is not that the sultan of Brunei one of the richest men in the world.
3. Is not tht the richest man in India a muslim
4. Is not islam the fastest growing religion in the world.
5. Is it not that trutrh has overthrown falsehood
6. Is it not...........

Success may not be in this life it may be also in the after life. What the quran is trying to say those who are righteous are the ones who will be successful when the hour of reckoning comes.

"Oh Allah upon it I live and upon it will I be resurrected by the will of Allah the most high. Oh Allah I ask you for my religion and for my life in this world and for my afterlife.<<
-------Allahuma Alayha of the Dawoodi Bohras.

[Muddai]

“Bismillah Hir Rahman Nir Rahim,
I seek refuge with Allah the All Kowing, The Most Gracious from Shaitan the accursed.”

Now that we have established your definition of suckcess as monetary gain, let me address your response. More detail will be provided at a later date (if you need help with your research):

“1. Are not the Arab countries flourising with their oil deposists”

You just lost your argument ! There are countries doing FAR better without oil deposits.

” 2. Is not that the sultan of Brunei one of the richest men in the world” “Is not” 20+ men before him that are not believers per your definition ? Why pick out this one and not Bill Gates, Warren Buffet, or the Queen of England ?

“3. Is not tht the richest man in India a muslim” What about the rest of the Muslims in India ? Are they not “believers” because they are dirt poor ?

“4. Is not islam the fastest growing religion in the world.” That is because they do not believe in birth control. It is quite evident that you use the term Islam rather loosely .

“5. Is it not that trutrh has overthrown falsehood” Rather idealistic ! Where so ?

“6. Is it not...........” that you are ignorant ????

“What the quran is trying to say those who are righteous are the ones who will be successful when the hour of reckoning comes.”

It is quite ironic that your post does not reflect that since you point out those whose “hour of reckoning” has not come yet. So which one is it Einstein ?

[quresh8719]

Bismillah Hir Rahman Nir Rahim,
I seek refuge with Allah the most Gracious, the most merciful from Shaitan accursed,
Dear Muddai,
Greetings be to those who are the folowers of righteous guidance,
Has the Quran al Hakkim said that others besides the muslims will not be succeessful.

And what i meant by fastest growing religion is rate of conversion.
britanica reports that islam is the fastest growing religion in the usa.
you try this out for yourself talkto any person of another religion and debate as to which is true islam or his religion and you shall see for your self whether or not truth overtakes falsehood

[jinx]

Originally posted by quresh8719:
2. Is not that the sultan of Brunei one of the richest men in the world.
[/QB]

The Sultan of Brunei is at 6th position now.
An Indian Sofware Giant beat him for the 3rd position

[anajmi]

dear porus

And Ali refused Prophet's request? Now, why do I find that less than believable?

Why do you find it less than believable? It's not that you believe the prophet was truly the prophet do you?

What Hazrat Ali refused to do was to strike out the prophet's title from a piece of paper. This is a hadith considered to be true by shias and sunnis alike. So that is the basis of my belief. What is the basis of your disbelief?