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[Danish]

Check this out if you D A R E !!!:
http://www.free-minds.org/Arab_Conspiracy.html

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[Danish]

Once again folks, though very repetitious and slightly annoying, read the entire article from start to finish and you'll find the basic teachings of the Ten Commandments:

Check this out if you D A R E !!!:
http://www.free-minds.org/Arab_Conspiracy.html

[porus]

Originally posted by Danish:
Once again folks, though very repetitious and slightly annoying, read the entire article from start to finish and you'll find the basic teachings of the Ten Commandments:

Check this out if you D A R E !!!:
http://www.free-minds.org/Arab_Conspiracy.html

A thought-provoking article certainly, but weak because it accuses all Arabs, lock, stock and barrel against conspiracy to pervert Islam.

To believe, just to take one example, that salaat does not mean ritual player, would be to give lie to almost all reported practices of the prophet.

Do we ignore the fact that prophet sanctioned the words of the adhaan, which include, hasten towards salaat, following which the prophet engaged in ritual prayer.

It is a bit odd that the author accepts the veracity of the Quran, which people, not Muhammad, tell us is the book revealed to Muhammad. Quran itself makes that claim, but Quran was compiled by others, not Muhammad.

Main thrust of the argument is that the words in Quran are accurate but have been given twisted meanings by Arabs for non-Arabs.

Having had generations of non-Arabs who have excelled in Arabic, this argument does not hold water. In any case, no Muslim claims it is sufficient to observe ritual prayers to qualify as a Muslim.

Article makes too much of the 'fact' that Muslims worship Kaaba, a stone cube. No Muslim would agree. Even non-Muslims would not agree.

[Muslim First]

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A thought-provoking article certainly, but weak because it accuses all Arabs, lock, stock and barrel against conspiracy to pervert Islam.

Only weak minded people will fall far it.

Excellent Br. Porus

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[Danish]

Somehow its always Porus who comes out first-in-line with "intelligent" remarks. I would call him an upcoming new generation "Progressive Syedena". He defends to protect his future divinity from getting scorched and scarred, simply because he and many others are staunched idolworshippers of stones and humans. Perhaps before you become a "Progressive Syedena", please make sure your Arabic Classical Language is up-to-date and well polished.

A thought-provoking article certainly, but weak because it accuses all Arabs, lock, stock and barrel against conspiracy to pervert Islam.

Not surprising to me either because the Arabs have already succeeded far beyond human comprehension and Dawoodi Bohras are only a part of their succumbed followers.

To believe, just to take one example, that salaat does not mean ritual player, would be to give lie to almost all reported practices of the prophet.

Reported practices of the prophet are only "REPORTED" as quips and quotes, a great lie by themselves. Certainly un-Quranic.

Do we ignore the fact that prophet sanctioned the words of the adhaan, which include, hasten towards salaat, following which the prophet engaged in ritual prayer.

Adhaan, another one those un-Quranic fancy quips written in ahadiths (satanic innovations) by those unscrupulous vagabonds and indigent Arabs who twisted the world around for their selfish lusts.

[QUOTEIt is a bit odd that the author accepts the veracity of the Quran, which people, not Muhammad, tell us is the book revealed to Muhammad. Quran itself makes that claim, but Quran was compiled by others, not Muhammad.[/QUOTE]
Remember....TWISTED WORDS!!! Not Muhammad's but peoples and thus the acceptance of the varacity of the Quran which by the way speaks for itself in the Quran as explained by the auther. Besides you cannot certify that your Arabic or even your overall understanding of the entire Quran is better than his, which is pretty much obvious. And that's why you'll be better off becoming a "Progressive Syedena" for the Bohras only. Hey, its not a bad idea afterall. You'll always be rich with goodness, respected, loved and worshipped. You'll also get to see the whole world free of charge and make money at the same time. WORLD'S BEST BUSINESS. WOW!!!

Main thrust of the argument is that the words in Quran are accurate but have been given twisted meanings by Arabs for non-Arabs.

Hushhhhhh! What a silly thing to say for Dawoodi Bohras or Progressive Bohras or Choost Bohras or whatever.

Article makes too much of the 'fact' that Muslims worship Kaaba, a stone cube. No Muslim would agree. Even non-Muslims would not agree.

Precisely. And that was the auther's main argument and reason. Non-Muslims love it and thus their hearts are rejoicing for their destruction with their own "idols and stones".

[Danish]

Somehow its always Porus who comes out first-in-line with "intelligent" remarks. I would call him an upcoming new generation "Progressive Syedena". He defends to protect his future divinity from getting scorched and scarred, simply because he and many others are staunched idolworshippers of stones and humans. Perhaps before you become a "Progressive Syedena", please make sure your Arabic Classical Language is up-to-date and well polished.

A thought-provoking article certainly, but weak because it accuses all Arabs, lock, stock and barrel against conspiracy to pervert Islam.

Not surprising to me either because the Arabs have already succeeded far beyond human comprehension and Dawoodi Bohras are only a part of their succumbed followers.

To believe, just to take one example, that salaat does not mean ritual player, would be to give lie to almost all reported practices of the prophet.

Reported practices of the prophet are only "REPORTED" as quips and quotes, a great lie by themselves. Certainly un-Quranic.

Do we ignore the fact that prophet sanctioned the words of the adhaan, which include, hasten towards salaat, following which the prophet engaged in ritual prayer.

Adhaan, another one of those un-Quranic fancy quips written in ahadiths (satanic innovations) by those unscrupulous vagabonds and indigent Arabs who twisted the world around for their selfish lusts.

[QUOTE}It is a bit odd that the author accepts the veracity of the Quran, which people, not Muhammad, tell us is the book revealed to Muhammad. Quran itself makes that claim, but Quran was compiled by others, not Muhammad.[/QUOTE]
Remember....TWISTED WORDS!!! Not Muhammad's but peoples and thus the acceptance of the varacity of the Quran which by the way speaks for itself in the Quran as explained by the auther. Besides you cannot certify that your Arabic or even your overall understanding of the entire Quran is better than his, which is pretty much obvious. And that's why you'll be better off becoming a "Progressive Syedena" for the Bohras only. Hey, its not a bad idea afterall. You'll always be rich with goodness, respected, loved and worshipped. You'll also get to see the whole world free of charge and make money at the same time. WORLD'S BEST BUSINESS. WOW!!!

Main thrust of the argument is that the words in Quran are accurate but have been given twisted meanings by Arabs for non-Arabs.

Hushhhhhh! What a silly thing to say for Dawoodi Bohras or Progressive Bohras or Choost Bohras or whatever.

Article makes too much of the 'fact' that Muslims worship Kaaba, a stone cube. No Muslim would agree. Even non-Muslims would not agree.

Precisely. And that was the auther's main argument and reason. Non-Muslims love it and thus their hearts are rejoicing for their destruction with their own "idols and stones".

[Danish]

Somehow its always Porus who comes out first-in-line with "intelligent" remarks. I would call him an upcoming new generation "Progressive Syedena". He defends to protect his future divinity from getting scorched and scarred, simply because he and many others are staunched idolworshippers of stones and humans. Perhaps before you become a "Progressive Syedena", please make sure your Arabic Classical Language is up-to-date and well polished.

A thought-provoking article certainly, but weak because it accuses all Arabs, lock, stock and barrel against conspiracy to pervert Islam.

Not surprising to me either because the Arabs have already succeeded far beyond human comprehension and Dawoodi Bohras are only a part of their succumbed followers.

To believe, just to take one example, that salaat does not mean ritual player, would be to give lie to almost all reported practices of the prophet.

Reported practices of the prophet are only "REPORTED" as quips and quotes, a great lie by themselves. Certainly un-Quranic.

Do we ignore the fact that prophet sanctioned the words of the adhaan, which include, hasten towards salaat, following which the prophet engaged in ritual prayer.

Adhaan, another one of those un-Quranic fancy quips written in ahadiths (satanic innovations) by those unscrupulous vagabonds and indigent Arabs who twisted the world around for their selfish lusts.

It is a bit odd that the author accepts the veracity of the Quran, which people, not Muhammad, tell us is the book revealed to Muhammad. Quran itself makes that claim, but Quran was compiled by others, not Muhammad.

Remember....TWISTED WORDS!!! Not Muhammad's but peoples and thus the acceptance of the varacity of the Quran which by the way speaks for itself in the Quran as explained by the auther. Besides you cannot certify that your Arabic or even your overall understanding of the entire Quran is better than his, which is pretty much obvious. And that's why you'll be better off becoming a "Progressive Syedena" for the Bohras only. Hey, its not a bad idea afterall. You'll always be rich with goodness, respected, loved and worshipped. You'll also get to see the whole world free of charge and make money at the same time. WORLD'S BEST BUSINESS. WOW!!!

Main thrust of the argument is that the words in Quran are accurate but have been given twisted meanings by Arabs for non-Arabs.

Hushhhhhh! What a silly thing to say for Dawoodi Bohras or Progressive Bohras or Choost Bohras or whatever.

Article makes too much of the 'fact' that Muslims worship Kaaba, a stone cube. No Muslim would agree. Even non-Muslims would not agree.

Precisely. And that was the auther's main argument and reason. Non-Muslims love it and thus their hearts are rejoicing for their destruction with their own "idols and stones".

[Danish]

A thought-provoking article certainly, but weak because it accuses all Arabs, lock, stock and barrel against conspiracy to pervert Islam.

Only weak minded people will fall far it.

Excellent Br. Porus

See how your people have already started
cherishing and worshipping you. Only an MF with a child's mind can think of this.

[Danish]

Very sorry for not clarifying an extremely important matter as follows:

After acquiring the "WORLD'S BEST BUSSINESS" as mentioned earlier, don't forget its "ULTIMATE DESTINY". Since GOD Almighty has given you the TOOLS ("brains and brawns"), so choose your BUSINESS carefully.

GOD, there is no other god but GOD. HE has no partners and none equals HIM. Be HE glorified.

[porus]

Danish,

Do something about that finger of yours. If it gets stuck to the keyboard, perhaps wudhu will help. Wudhu, remember, is washing-up ritual before salaat (prayer), satanic innovations as you refer to them.

I have a question for you. Who told you that RK's translation is the Quran? And the Arabic Quran, the one received world-wide as the authentic quran; how did you come to know it is authentic? Did some satan tell you? Remember every Muslim, according to you, is a satan!!

So, I suspect, God has told you directly. Lo, Danish, you are God's messenger!! Only God can tell you that what satans are telling you is authentic Quran is actually so!

[Danish]

By the way, Aidid Safar's PROMOTIONS also clarifies and certifies all warmongers inquiries such as, "where in the Quran is this or that"?

The questions asked by several as to where in the Quran is Salaatic descriptions and actions, where is 2.5% Zakat mentioned, where is the complete manifestations of Hajj, etc., etc.

Certainly, if the Quran itself commands not to pursue any other source/s and warns of its conjectured consequences while at the same time it certifies that everything in it is detailed with clarity, then you either believe THE QURAN or (not and) THE HADITHS or START GUESSING all your lives until you burn in HELL. Ample of WARNINGS have been given and yet your minds are made-up.

[6:114] Shall I seek other than GOD as a source of law, when He has revealed to you this book fully detailed?* Those who received the scripture recognize that it has been revealed from your Lord, truthfully. You shall not harbor any doubt.
[6:115] The word of your Lord is complete, in truth and justice. Nothing shall abrogate His words. He is the Hearer, the Omniscient.
[6:116] If you obey the majority of people on earth, they will divert you from the path of GOD. They follow only conjecture; they only guess.
[6:117] Your Lord is fully aware of those who stray off His path, and He is fully aware of those who are guided.

[23:116] Most exalted is GOD, the true Sovereign. There is no other god beside Him; the Most Honorable Lord, possessor of all authority.
[23:117] Anyone who idolizes beside GOD any other god, and without any kind of proof, his reckoning rests with his Lord. The disbelievers never succeed.

[qiyam]

Porus,

"I am not sure whether Allah makes distinctions in accepting the prayers of believers depending on how strong their faith is."

--It very written throughout the Quran. Is there not a difference between the munafiq and believer...both are muslims.

"What is clear is that faith can be strengthened by associating with people one considers as pious and emulating them. If a person satisfies himself that he is doing all he can to follow in the footsteps of those he considers are near to God, he can be confident that Allah will listen o him directly."

---This is exactly the point I am making...the person who follows in the footsteps of someone who is more pious..with the intention of have Allah answer his prayers is the method. And this is why when a person say a wasila of someone more pious...Allah is more likely to answer their prayers because the person is following someone more pious..thus intent to be closer and perfected as Allah wanted us to be.

"This places the onus on those who seek Allah's favor to seek to be near him by whatever means are available to them. While 5:35 and 17:57 are being interpreted by Bohras to seek tawassul of awliya, it cannot possibly work unless the person feels worthy enough to seek to be among them in the first place. In which case, no tawassul will be necessary, I think."

---Firstly, it is not just bohras who reference these concept but all those who acknowledge the concept of tawasul (sunni and shiah alike). Secondly, it is because the person DOESN'T feel worthy that they seek means to be closer to Allah. There are few muslim who do not acknowledge the tawassul of Maulana Ali (Mushkil Kusha) and following his teachings and life as a means to be closer to Allah....because he was a true example of a mumin. So just as you refer to his life to live as a means of tawassul to be closer to Allah...so to you can call for his assistance in bringing you closer to Allah's attention.

[porus]

Hey Danish,

Since you and Aidid Safar claim that Muslims worship Kaaba, a structure of "stone", I have re-written the Quran's opening chapter for them:

In the name of the Kaaba, the compassionate, the merciful.

All praise to Kaaba, lord of the worlds

the compassionate and merciful

etc. etc.

There is no god except Kaaba, Glory to Kaaba, one and only.

No strength, no power except through Kaaba etc.

You can quote me and advertise the nefarious satanic ways of the Muslims!!

[Danish]

Hey Porus,

I guess sometimes I am never wrong by GOD's Leave: First came the Quran given to Muhammad, then came the Daimul Islam given to Syedena and now the whole new revised edition of Syedena Burhanuddin's brand new revelation given to the "Progressive Syedena".

Congratulations to all the so-called Dawoodi Bohra idolworshippers for enthroning a new god, Mr. Syedena Progressive Porus Saheb. Karo matam, Ya Porus, Ya Porus, Ya Porus..hehehehehe...hahahahaha and some other invented poetic geets.

Porus is gonna make you sweat and cry during Moharram and later beg you for money and tell you to get the hell out with a thank you. Wait a second, not only during Moharram but every pitiful day.

[Danish]

Hey Porus,

I guess sometimes I am never wrong by GOD's Leave: First came the Quran given to Muhammad, then came the Daimul Islam given to Syedena and now the whole new revised edition of Syedena Burhanuddin's brand new revelation given to the "Progressive Syedena".

Congratulations to all the so-called Dawoodi Bohra idolworshippers for enthroning a new god, Mr. Syedena Progressive Porus Saheb. Karo matam, Ya Porus, Ya Porus, Ya Porus..hehehehehe...hahahahaha and some other invented poetic geets.

Porus is gonna make you sweat and cry during Moharram and later beg you for money and tell you to get the hell out without a thank you. Wait a second, not only during Moharram but every pitiful day. And watch very closely for Syedena never cries but laughs within when he sees all his constituents druelling in tears and crying aloud for something they have no idea about.

karo matam, aaaaeeeeeooooo, aajay choodi ne purjoosh maatam karjo ane aaaaaeeeeoooo, aasu begaarjo. Tamara aka maula Porus is poori khitmaat karjooooo ane aaaaaeeeeeoooo eh uh ah ooh....karo matam, karo matam, karo matam

[Muslim First]

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Let is see; First came the Quran given to Muhammad SAW. Muhammd SAW read Qur'an and devised system of prayers, Fast, Zakat and Hujj strictly according to Qur'an. He taught Ummah all that. Then he passed away. Very next day a cataclysmic event occurred and all the people could not remember any of teaching of the Prophet of Allah. So Shaitan Arabs invented Adhan, 5 times prayers etc. etc. Thy included name of Muhammad in prayers and Adhan. They made stone building Kabba as point of worship. This continued until Allah sent Messenger Rashid Khalifa who told people that How and when to pray is written in Qur’an you just have to study my translation. Well billions of Muslim still are in dark except few who have Batini Knowledge from RK.-------

More ot follow.

By the way, Go to web site below to read interesting twist

Zionist Conspiracies Against Islam: Rashad Khalifa's Cult http://www.islamicweb.com/beliefs/cults/submitters.htm

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[Danish]

Well MF,

Either you go back to sleep since its past your bedtime OR continue with the matam as prescribed earlier for you and your inmates by your Syedena. See, many of your friends are currently sweating profusely since yesterday and their skins must be flaking off by now. No fuss. Be a good baby, OK.