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Stranger
We went through the same justification by members of other side justifying the felicitation of Modi, The only reason I brought this because you asked me whether I would curse Yazid and Shimr, well in my books there is no difference between Yazid-Shimr or Narendra Modi and Bal Thackrey and I can not justify honoring anyone of them regardless of the outcome.
YOU HAVE TO FIGHT FOR YOUR HONOR AND FOR HAQ OF WHICH KOTHAR BEATS THE DRUM ALL THE TIME

Let me tell you something...During the Gujarat Riots there was pressure on Gujarat Govn to spare the life, property, business and prayer place of Bohra's
( I know, Its hard for you to digest this but its true.) and it did work also but unfortunately, not entirely.

As a Muslim I am sick to my stomach to read this admission. Among Muslim ummah we have group of people who would even think of using bribery to assuage devil. Those who shake hands of this Shaitan are shaitan themselves.

I hope a day will never dawn in India when Muslims of India will say kill Borha first when they see serpent and Bohra obstructing their way

My sincere apology to my brothers for these harsh words.

omabharti wrote:Stranger
We went through the same justification by members of other side justifying the felicitation of Modi, The only reason I brought this because you asked me whether I would curse Yazid and Shimr, well in my books there is no difference between Yazid-Shimr or Narendra Modi and Bal Thackrey and I can not justify honoring anyone of them regardless of the outcome.
YOU HAVE TO FIGHT FOR YOUR HONOR AND FOR HAQ OF WHICH KOTHAR BEATS THE DRUM ALL THE TIME

Oma,
I suppose, have already explained what u had asked and said what was required..However Its upto you finaly, how u take it.

Muslim First wrote: As a Muslim I am sick to my stomach to read this admission. Among Muslim ummah we have group of people who would even think of using bribery to assuage devil. Those who shake hands of this Shaitan are shaitan themselves.

I hope a day will never dawn in India when Muslims of India will say kill Borha first when they see serpent and Bohra obstructing their way .

My sincere apology to my brothers for these harsh words.

Muslim First,
I can very well reply to your post which will be enough to make you whole sick and too harsh, too true for you to face..Alright.
brother, i dont want to mix communal colors in it..nor wanna blame or critise entire community ( as you do), Just because you have derived conclusion on your limited understanding and narrow interpretations..And yeah, apology accepted

Wassalam.

stranger,

why the bashfulnes now? afraid to get all the abde backsides kicked and burnt just as the infallible mutlaq ilah ul ardh, haqiqi kaaba, natiqe quran and haq nasaheb syedna did last time when he foolishly uttered public laanats on the first 3 khalifas, got his abdes killed, looted and their businesses destroyed and then had to apologise like a sorry recalcitrant kid on nationwide TV??

what is there to hide?? c'mon blurt out what you say behind the closed doors of the bohra markaz/masjids. that all the rest of the muslims are idiots and kafirs, only bohra abdes are chosen for jannat, courtesy a ruku chitthi from their morela. be a man and say it upfront. dont hide like a coward behind ' i cud say so and so, but wont' crap.

if you have the guts, proclaim loudly your beliefs here since you are followers of haq nasaheb. somehow the image of shrinking violets and untouched coy virgins doesnt suit abdes, as they pretend to be tigers in their markaz's.

Al Zulfiqar wrote:stranger,

why the bashfulnes now? afraid to get all the abde backsides kicked and burnt just as the infallible mutlaq ilah ul ardh, haqiqi kaaba, natiqe quran and haq nasaheb syedna did last time when he foolishly uttered public laanats on the first 3 khalifas, got his abdes killed, looted and their businesses destroyed and then had to apologise like a sorry recalcitrant kid on nationwide TV??

what is there to hide?? c'mon blurt out what you say behind the closed doors of the bohra markaz/masjids. that all the rest of the muslims are idiots and kafirs, only bohra abdes are chosen for jannat, courtesy a ruku chitthi from their morela. be a man and say it upfront. dont hide like a coward behind ' i cud say so and so, but wont' crap.

if you have the guts, proclaim loudly your beliefs here since you are followers of haq nasaheb. somehow the image of shrinking violets and untouched coy virgins doesnt suit abdes, as they pretend to be tigers in their markaz's.

Achchaa....
Poor abdes, So sad ... but then you must be having enough guts & courage to proclaim ur reformist belief..
Can you just please let us know your full Name and Address ? Then i will see, if u can speak with equal bravery with your real face as well, or its just limited to shouting and dancing on this forums

Doctor wrote:

murtaza2152 wrote:@Doctor,
Can you present a Single proof that Muqaddas Syedna Taher Saifuddin RA Spoke lie in Court??


You have also not presented proof of Saiyadi Sadiq Ali Sahebs Nasihat, ie Matlaa of Nasihat and last 5 Stanzas of it...
You have just copy pasted from Insafs Post..!!

Why no response on point of Burhanuddin sahab uttering 'gaali' - which was your limelight point?

If I present proof right now that Taher Saifuddin spoke lies then what will you do next? Will u follow the suit of Quran in sending laanat on Taher Saifuddin sahab?

If you wish to learn more from Sadik Ali sahab nasihat then please contact Janab Saifuddin Insaf on this forum or Prof. Mulla Mehdi Hasan in Malegaon or Bhai Aaqib Palana Wala in Mumbai or Mulla Peer Ali / Janab Abid Adeeb in Udaipur.

Even an 'adna mumin' should not utter 'gaali', it is bad than worst if claimant of position of 'Dai': Burhanuddin sahab gives 'gaali' ("MANAHIS") to Sheikh Ahmed Ali Raj! It infers, Burhanuddin sahab do not even qualify to be called (basic) 'mumin' .

Murtaza2152, as a abde Burhan you must write 'arzi' to Burhanuddin sahab and make him realize that by uttering 'gaali' he is bringing shame and dishonor to the seat of Dai (which he claims to occupy).

Also please let us all know: If I present proof that Taher Saifuddin spoke lies then what will you do next? Will u follow the suit of Quran in sending laanat on liers = Taher Saifuddin sahab?

stranger wrote:Can you just please let us know your full Name and Address ? Then i will see, if u can speak with equal bravery with your real face as well, or its just limited to shouting and dancing on this forums

Hey even i m joining you "Stranger" for this sawab

progpigs wrote: Hey even i m joining you "Stranger" for this sawab

Most welcome bother....But it seems, ye invitation sunte hi, paint gili ho gayi saaheb ki

stranger wrote:
Most welcome bother....But it seems, ye invitation sunte hi, paint gili ho gayi saaheb ki

pant or skirt

profastian wrote: pant or skirt

I guess both , depends on 'Occassion'.

Doctor wrote:

Doctor wrote: Why no response on point of Burhanuddin sahab uttering 'gaali' - which was your limelight point?

If I present proof right now that Taher Saifuddin spoke lies then what will you do next? Will u follow the suit of Quran in sending laanat on Taher Saifuddin sahab?

If you wish to learn more from Sadik Ali sahab nasihat then please contact Janab Saifuddin Insaf on this forum or Prof. Mulla Mehdi Hasan in Malegaon or Bhai Aaqib Palana Wala in Mumbai or Mulla Peer Ali / Janab Abid Adeeb in Udaipur.
You quoted the proof so you should present it,,and why should i ask those Munafiqs ,,,,If you have present them....
Even an 'adna mumin' should not utter 'gaali', it is bad than worst if claimant of position of 'Dai': Burhanuddin sahab gives 'gaali' ("MANAHIS") to Sheikh Ahmed Ali Raj! It infers, Burhanuddin sahab do not even qualify to be called (basic) 'mumin' .
He was a Manahis so we called him Manahis...Simple Like a Donkey is called Donkey

Murtaza2152, as a abde Burhan you must write 'arzi' to Burhanuddin sahab and make him realize that by uttering 'gaali' he is bringing shame and dishonor to the seat of Dai (which he claims to occupy).

Also please let us all know: If I present proof that Taher Saifuddin spoke lies then what will you do next? Will u follow the suit of Quran in sending laanat on liers = Taher Saifuddin sahab?

Give your proof i will act according to quraan....

murtaza2152 wrote:

Doctor wrote: Also please let us all know: If I present proof that Taher Saifuddin spoke lies then what will you do next? Will u follow the suit of Quran in sending laanat on liers = Taher Saifuddin sahab?

Give your proof i will act according to quraan....

Proof: http://bombayhighcourt.nic.in/libweb/hi ... _CASE.html

From the above proof it is proved either Taher Saifuddin sahab has spoken lie in the first place when he claimed he is God or he spoke lie when he took back his original claim with new stand that he is not God. In either case he spoke lie.

Murtaza bhai, you have committed to follow the Quran so, now act.

Oh Mubarak ,,i very well knew u will give me this link,,,,
At least read the article before u post,,,,, This been already discussed many times on this forum Refer to http://dawoodi-bohras.com/forum/viewtop ... b&start=30......

Refer to 2nd para,,
second para, first line itself says this,

As Sir Thomas Strangman, the Advocate-General, who filed the suit and appeared for the plaintiff throughout the trial, observes in his book

now do you want to debate on a article written by a advocate general who him self is the plaintiff in this case......

Porus bhai has rightly said about you: you are intellectually dishonest.

The point we are discussing is if Taher Saifuddin sahab spoke lies or not.

Bombay High Court is a Government body, its case records are authentic. Per Bombay High court records, published on their website: Taher Saifuddin sahab has spoken lies.

It is not Advocate General/Plaintiff but Taher Saifuddin sahab who claimed that he is God and later took back claim that he is not God.In either of statement it is self proving that Taher Saifuddin spoke lies.

Doctor wrote:It is not Advocate General/Plaintiff but Taher Saifuddin sahab who claimed that he is God and later took back claim that he is not God.In either of statement it is self proving that Taher Saifuddin spoke lies.

Assalaamu alaikum,

Wasn't something to this effect also admitted in "Mullahs on the Mainframe" by Jonah Blank, which was not endorsed by the syedna per se but was nonetheless written with his permission?

Even if, at best, it was not Taher Saifuddin himself but someone else with him who put forward the claim that Taher was "*$d @n @#$%h" (I'm at the moment too disgusted to type it all out, note the last letter of each word), it still reflects badly enough on the "immaculate" Taher that he could not be the representative of God in any divine way.