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The point you are trying to make has already been refuted.

Where Anajmi? Please post it for me because I have not seen it before. Thanks.

Africawala,

It was posted in my previous post to you. Let me post it again.

Africawala,

I think you got it inside out. Medina became a place or worship after the prophet got buried over there, Karbala became a place of worship after Hussein got buried over there and Najaf became a place of worship after Hazrat Ali got buried over there.

The prophet actually got buried in the house of his last wife Ayesha (ra).

Your argument for pictures being allowed in a mosque based upon the fact that the prophet's grave is also inside a mosque is actually faulty based upon what I have stated above.

Anajmi, So what you are saying is that it is alright to have tombs inside a mosque even though the Prophet had said that he did not want his tomb inside a place of worship. It does not matter whose house he was buried in, the question is, is it alright to convert that house into a Masjid and pray around the tomb?

And what is the deal with Prophet's hair and nail in masjid Al-haram As-Sharif? Were the hair and nail inside some one's house and a mosque was built around it?

Africawala,

Why do you people insist on doing what the prophet prohibited from doing just because some other morons like yourselves also did it?

Construction of the Mosque in Prophets Time Boundaries of the Mosques

The mosque was built twice during the life span of the Prophet Muhammmad SAW. The first time was very first Hijra year (622). The size of the mosque was the 850.5 Square Meters (96’ X 96’ Approx.).

It was rebuilt seven years later after Fath (opening) of Khaibar. The increasing number of Muslims by the necessitated and increase in the area of the mosque to accommodate more worshippers. The size this time was made 2025 Square Meters (Approx. 150’ X 150’). The foundation was made of Stone, the walls of bricks and pillars of the trunks of Palm trees. The height was also increased to 4.06 Meters.

The roof was made of palm tree branches cemented together by clay and slightly sloping to facilitate drainage during rainy seasons.

Prophet himself participated in the construction work with other Muslims. He used to carry stones and bricks.

Boundaries of the Mosques

A visitor to the mosque today may not recognize which part was built during the life of the Prophet because many extensions and renovations introduced later. I will, however, try to acquaint the reader and the visitor with mosque’s boundaries as they were during Prophet’s life by specifying the place of original walls of the mosque in that time.

The Southern Wall

This is situated about half a meter from where Prophet used to pray in the Mirhab (Niche). The present yellow balustrades extending from east to west and which are placed half a meter from dais represent the exact location of the original location of the Southern wall as built by the Prophet.

Northern Wall

The northern wall of the old construction of the mosque during the Prophet’s lifetime was incorporated in the northern wall built during the renovation made by Sultan Abdul Hameed of Ottoman Empire. It is extending east-west from present door of the mosque known as Women’s door.

Eastern Wall

It is situated 1.8 meters from the fifth pillar found at the right side of eastern section of dais.

Western Wall

Its location is at the pillars running from north to south which bear at the top the writing in Arabic that can be translated as “End of the Prophet’s Mosque”

Transcribed from Book “Chapters from History of Madina” by Ali Hafiz
Available at book stores in Madina. (I was proud owner of one copy)

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Brother Aficawala

Only ignorant person will claim that that Prophet’s grave is in his mosque. Prophet’s grave is located in South-West corner of a structure commonly called Prophet’s mosque.

As described above there are columns clearly marked denoting end of Mosque and beginning of his house (now his grave).

Anajmi,

You are the biggest Moron on this site. I have resisted saying this because I did not want to stoop to your level.

Look around, with how many people do you fight on average on this site? You call people names when you find that people have confronted you and have logical answers. Can't you ever be polite and disagree? Can't you ever take the high road and agree that people are right? People would read you more if you did. You have no hesitation in using the dirtiest words in a public forum. I do not know what your affiliation is, and do not even care to know, but whatever it is, it seems to breed intolerance, hatred, anger and vulgarity, all contrary to Islam. It also is a poor reflection of your upbringing. Your preoccupation with “sex” is disgusting. Do you use the same brain and tongue to remember Allah? Why can't you learn from Average Bohora or Danish to conduct a polite argument without resorting to name calling. I do not agree with Danish all the time, yet I like the way he totally ignores you, as though you don't exist. When Average Bohora responds to you, he is precise and to the point but you come out spinning posts after posts at the average interval of 3 minutes. You are like a dog chasing his own tail.

You do not know anything about other faiths except your own and your mission is to change the world. Well, brother, wake up from your slumber because We are not in Taliban country. You cannot change the world. Your zero tolerance of other faiths is proof of your insecurity. You sound like a scared person. Intolerance is totally against Islam.
Even the Prophet S.A.W. was kind to his enemies, Jews and Christians. At least learn from him?

You may think you are educated in your own way, but you do not have the qualities of an educated person. You are arrogant, insecure and very malicious.

Who are you to judge people and their beliefs? If you were a true Muslim you would leave it to Allah S.W.T. to judge people. He is the sole Judge. You are like Iblees, knowledgeable yet ignorant, arrogant and pompous. Look at the way you "abused the Gays" on this forum. Allah has created people and He will judge them. Putting down people and hurting their feelings is not Islamic - can you get this through your head? I guess not. And Can you say sincerely that you are not a Sinner? What good is your knowledge of Qur'an when you have no Humility in you? And you have boasted that you were sure you were going to Heaven and non-Muslims were going to Hell. You are so full of yourself!

I did not want to say anything to your rhetoric about your Knowledge of Zakah but since I am here I better say what I want to say.

Fiqh-us-Sunnah, Volume 3: Zakah in Islamic Jurisprudence Zakah or alms tax can be defined as that portion of a man's wealth which is designated for the poor...

So it is established as a Tax. Should I listen to you or the above?

'USHR
(THE TITHE)


We gratefully acknowledge and thank Islamic Publications Ltd. for permission to print this excerpt (Ch. 4) from Everyday Fiqh (vol. 2) by Abdul Aziz Kamal
Meaning
‘Ushr is the obligatory charge (Zakat) on farm produce which is one-tenth for one kind of land and one-twentieth for others.....

Khums is also enjoined on all Muslims and it is mentioned in the Qur'an, so why are you stuck with 2.5%? Where in the Qur'an does it say that you have to pay 2.5%? Do yourself a favour, don't bother because I'll find it out myself. You may post your diatribe for the entertainment of others. However, Ushr and Khums are mentioned in the Qur'an.

Tithe is mentioned in both the Old and New Testaments. If Bill Gates is a Christian or a Jew he is obliged to pay this amount and if he doesn't then it is between him and Allah. How do you know that he does not tithe? What do you call his charity?

What seems nonsense to you may not seem nonsense to the recipient of the charity, so please do not speak on their behalf.

You are jealous, cruel, cynical and a narcisst.

Muslim First,

Thanks for your post. I have been to Medinah and have seen first hand the structure of the Mosque and also withnessed what goes on there. I have conveyed my point. Thanks for your time.

Africawala,

Again you prove yourself to be a bigger moron than I previously thought you were. And a hypocrite as well. You want me to learn from the prophet when you want to do what other morons like you have done against what the prophet has taught. And that too after witnessing what goes on there.

And what you have quoted is a translation of fiqh. Not the original. I have said time and again that tax is a word used in translation because morons like you cannot understand anything which needs more than one word to explain. Look up what tax is called in arabic and see if fiqh uses the same word!!

And if you had read all my posts on zakah you wouldn't have been as ignorant about it as you are. I said zakah calculations are not exactly 2.5% but differ case by case. Go look it up.

And you know what is surprising, after all that I have posted, all you remembered was sex and dick and all the dirty words that I have posted. But I am sure it has nothing to do with your upbringing. I am sure your folks are just fine. You just turned out to be a moron.

And consider this to be my last post on this topic.

Is it 3 minutes yet.... Well.

Brother Muslim First,

People like Africawala do not like to see facts. He has been there and has seen what goes there. He was watching the three people fooling around with women and not the 2 million doing tawaf, just like he was searching for dick and sex in my posts.

3 minutes is taking too long.

I apologize. Consider THIS to be my last post on this topic.

Africawalla writes

[Thanks for your post. I have been to Medinah and have seen first hand the structure of the Mosque and also withnessed what goes on there. I have conveyed my point. Thanks for your time. QUOTE] [/QUOTE]

I have lived in Saudi for the past 19 years and hae been visting Madina on an annual basis. I am interested to know what you mean by " also witnessed what goes on there"

Regards

Khan,

What he witnesses is there is three guys trying to fool around with women. That is what he goes there to do.

Another picture of HH Aqa Moula in the London Mosque:

http://media.mumineen.org/archive/photo ... don-04.jpg

Dear Mbohra

I need a small clarification. Are these photos of the Dai in the mosque i.e the place where the prayers are held or in a hall, where the jamans take place. It would be a serious issue if pictures of the Dai are placed in the area where the prayers are held.

khan,
the pictures are in the sahan, an open area outside the mosque.

Thanks spot.

I would suggest to who ever posts these pictures to clarify the location.

Regards