Dear Friends,
I have compiled a couple of documents after a study of the Holy Quran which question the various beliefs that are imposed on innocent minds by the Kothar. These documents were compiled by me (Ayats from the Holy Quran) when I was going through a rough ride at a time when I started questioning the various 'Do's and Dont's' of the community.
If you have any questions or concerns, please feel free to write to me. Also, please feel free to forward the attachments to people you know.
Best regards,
sak955@yahoo.com
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I. I have been involved in reading the Holy Quran with its meaning over the past few years. Over this period of time, a lot of my ancestral concepts and beliefs have come into direct contradiction with the Holy Quran and hence I would like to clarify these concepts with you so that you may understand my view point. Please read this carefully as the answers to many of the questions that you may have is recorded in the pages to follow.
All Muslims believe that the Holy Quran is the ultimate source of guidance sent by Allah for mankind. I believe that there is no contradiction in Allah’s Quranic Ayats. I justify this fact by quoting you the following Ayat from the Holy Quran: -
Sura 4 Ayat 82
“Do they not consider the Quran (with care)? Had it been from other than Allah, they would surely have found therein much discrepancy.”
Hence the above Ayat proves that there are no contradictions / discrepancies in the Quran.
I do not believe in blind faith. God has given me the intellect and intelligence to question various beliefs and concepts. So I turned to the Quran to find the answers to the various questions I had. In Sura 27, Ayat 75, God states: -
“Nor is there anything of the Unseen, in heaven or earth, but is (recorded) in a clear Book.”
Given the above Ayat, we are sure to find a solution to ALL our problems in the Quran. In addition my point is further strengthened by quoting Sura 10, Ayat 61: -
“……… Nor is hidden from the Lord the weight of an atom on the earth or in heaven. And not the least and not the greatest of these things (are recorded) in a clear Book.”
In the following pages, I have presented a few Ayats from the Holy Quran and its translation can be verified from any available source.
I thank you for the time that you have invested to read my letter and I do apologize if I have hurt anyone in the process. These are Quranic Ayats from the Holy Book and I am sure you all will appreciate the effort that has gone in compiling this document.
The concepts that I have questioned and the answers that I have received from the Quran have been documented.
Best regards,
sak955@yahoo.com
Point # 1 (Misaq)
The fundamental issue of ‘Misaq’ was raised by me when I thoroughly read (a week ago), a declaration of a Sunni Muslim who was going to get married. This declaration is signed before the ‘Misaq’ in order to get ‘Raza’ from the priest of the community. It read: -
“I, (name) age ____ born Sunni Muslim want to enter in fold of Dawat-e-Hadiyat giving the oath of allegiance (Misaq) to Al-Dai-ul-Mutlaq, thus I humbly request your holiness to kindly Forgive me all my sins and grant permission for my Misaq to be taken and accept me as your follower.”
With the above statement, the following questions were raised by me, and the following are the answers that I have received from the Holy Quran: -
a) “…… I humbly request your holiness to kindly forgive me all my sins ……. “
According to the Holy Quran – Sura 3, Ayat 135 : -
“And those who having done something to be ashamed of, or wronged their own souls, earnestly bring Allah to mind, and ask for forgiveness for their sins – And who can forgive sins except Allah? – And are never obstinate in persisting knowingly in (the wrong) they have done.”
Comments: If nobody other than Allah can forgive sins, how can we ask ‘…..your holiness to kindly forgive me all my sins.”
b) “ …….. and grant permission for my Misaq to be taken and accept me as your follower.”
According to the Holy Quran – Sura 3, Ayat 79 :
“It is not (possible) that a man, to whom is given the Book, and Wisdom, and the Prophecies, should say to people: ‘Be you my servants rather than Allah’s’: On the contrary (he would say): “Be you servants of Him who is truly the Cherisher of all: For you have taught the Book and you have studied it earnestly.”
Comments: Hence, with the above two Ayats, it is very clear to me that the ‘Misaq’ is not justified from the Quran. According to the Quran, we have to take our ‘Misaq’ from Allah and his commandments (i.e. the Holy Quran) and nobody else.
Point # 2 (To recieve God’s messages, we need a ‘Zarya’)
I have always heard from the educated lot and scholars that to reach God and his commandments, we need an intercessor, as it is impossible to understand Allah’s commandments in the Quran. Such people say “you have not reached the spiritual elevation that you may understand the Quran. It is only for us to explain to you as it is indeed a very difficult task.” Lets see what the Quran has to say in this regard: -
In Sura Qamar (Sura # 54), Ayats 17, 22, 32, 40
“ And we have indeed made the Quran easy to understand and remember: then is there any that will receive admonition?”
Comments: Hence it is very clear with the above Ayats (repeated 4 times in Sura-e-Qamr) that the Quran is very easy to remember and understand.
In Sura 39, Ayat 3
“Is it not to Allah that sincere devotion is due? But those who take for protectors others than Allah (say): ‘We only serve them in order that they may bring us nearer to Allah.’ Truly Allah will judge between them in that wherein they differ. But Allah guides not such as are false and ungrateful.”
In Sura 6, Ayat 51
“Give this warning to those in whose hearts is the fear that they will be brought (to Judgement) before their Lord: Except for Him (Allah), they will have no protector, nor intercessor; that they may guard (against evil).”
Point # 3
With such a strong change and opposition in my beliefs coming directly from the Holy Quran, I then went on to search as to what stand I should take as the basis of my belief, being a Muslim. I got my answers from the following Ayats: -
Sura 6, Ayat 153
“Verily, this (Quran) is My Way leading straight: follow it; follow not other paths: they will partition you about from His great Path; thus does he command you, that you may guard yourself (against evil).”
Sura 7, Ayat 3
“Follow (O men!) the revelation given unto you from your Lord, and follow not, as friends or protectors, other than Him. Little it is you remember of admonition.”
Comments: Hence, the above Ayats have made a base for my belief system. God instructs me to serve Allah (and nobody other than Allah), the Prophet and the Holy Quran.
Point # 4
This then bought me up with the issue of ‘sects’ and whether it is correct for people to belong to various sects. The following Ayats make it clear: -
Sura 6, Ayat 159
“As for those who divide their religion and break into sects, you have no part in them in the least: their affair is with Allah: He will in the end tell them the truth of all that they did.”
Sura 30, Ayat 32
“Those who split up their Religion, and become Sects – each party rejoices in that which is with itself.”
The above two Ayats are very self explanatory. We need to be Muslims of Allah, follow His book (the Quran) and His prophets (the prophets followed Allah’s messages).
Point # 5
Given the concept of blind faith in religion and ancestral beliefs that we have been practicing, please note the following Ayats from the Holy Quran which are very self explanatory: -
Sura 43, Ayats 21 & 22
“What! Have we given them a book before this, to which they are holding fast? No! They say: ‘We found our fathers following a certain Ummat, and we do guide ourselves by their footsteps.’ ”
Sura 2, Ayat 170
“When it is said to them: ‘Follow what Allah hath revealed’: They say: ‘Nay! We shall follow the ways of our fathers’: What! Even though their fathers were void of understanding and guidance?
Sura 47, Ayat 24
“Do they not then earnestly seek to understand The Quran, or are their hearts locked up by them.”
Point # 6
In conclusion, I would like to present a few more Ayats which have further strengthened my belief in Islam. These Ayats also state the consequences of our actions if we deviate from the straight (Quranic path) and follow other paths apart from the Quran: -
Sura 6: Ayat 161 to 164
“Say: ‘Verily, my lord hath guided me to a Way that is straight – A judgement of standing – The religion practiced by Abraham, the true in faith, and he joined not Gods with Allah.’”
“Say: ‘Truly, my prayer and my service of sacrifice, my life and my death, are for Allah,
the Cherisher of the Worlds.’ ”
“No partner hath He: This am I commanded, and I am the first of those who bow to His Will.”
“Say: ‘Shall I seek for my Cherisher other than Allah, when He is the Cherisher of all things? Every soul draws the meed of its acts on none but itself: no bearer of burdens can bear the burden of another. Your goal in the end is towards Allah: He will tell you the truth of the things wherein you disputed.’ ”
Sura 34, Ayat 31 to 33
“The Unbelievers say: ‘We shall neither believe in this Quran nor in any that is between his two hands.’ Could thou but see when the wrongdoers will be made to stand before their Lord, throwing back the word (of blame) on one another! Those who were weak will say to the powerful ones: ‘Had it not been for you, we should certainly have been believers!’”
“The powerful ones will say to the ones who had been weak: ‘Was it we who kept you back from Guidance after it reached you? No, rather it was you who transgressed.’ ”
“Those who were weak will say to the powerful ones: ‘No! It was a plot of yours by day and by night: Behold! You ordered us to be ungrateful to Allah and to attribute equals to Him!’ They will declare repentance when they see the Penalty: We shall put yokes on the necks of the Unbelievers: It would be a requital for their (ill) deeds.”
Sura 33, Ayat 66 to 68
“On the Day when their faces will be turned around in the Fire, they will say: ‘Oh, would that we had obeyed Allâh and obeyed the Messenger.’”
“And they will say: ‘Our Lord! Verily, we obeyed our chiefs and our great ones, and they misled us from the (Right) Path.’ ”
“Our Lord! give them double penalty and curse them with a mighty curse!"
Sura 9, Ayat 34
“O you who believe! Verily, there are many among the priests who devour the wealth of mankind in falsehood, and hinder (them) from the Way of Allâh. And those who hoard up gold and silver, and spend it not in the Way of Allâh, -announce unto them a grevious penalty.”
Sura 4, Ayat 56&57
“Surely! Those who reject Our Ayâts. We shall burn them in Fire. As often as their skins are roasted through, We shall change them for fresh skins that they may taste the punishment. Truly, Allâh is Ever Most Powerful, All¬Wise.”
“But those who believe (in Allâh and his Ayats) and do amend their deeds, We shall admit them to Gardens under which rivers flow, abiding therein forever. Therein they shall have companions pure and holy and We shall admit them to shades, cool and ever deepening.”
Sura 2, Ayat 165 to 167
“Yet there are men who take others besides Allâh as rivals (to Allâh). They love them as they should love Allâh. But those who believe, are overflowing in their love for Allah. If only, those who do wrong could see, when they will see the punishment: that to Allah belongs all power and Allah will strongly enforce the punishment.”
“When those who are followed, clear themselves of those who follow (them): They would see the Penalty and all relations between them would be cut off.”
“And those who followed will say: ‘If only we had one more chance (of this worldly life), we would clear ourselves of them, as they have cleared themselves of us.’ Thus Allâh will show them their deeds as regrets for them. And nor will there be a way for them out of the Fire.”
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II. Dear Friends,
After having been involved in the study of the Holy Quran for the past few years, there have been lots of questions that have been put forth to me and a lot of negative criticism that I have had to deal with. Kindly note that each answer of mine is supported by the Ayats of the Quran. I am going to discuss point-wise the issues that have been bought up and the answers will be quoted from the Holy Quran directly. We all know that Allah’s Ayats are His words and it cannot be challenged in any way or form.
Best regards,
Point # 1: - Because I study the Holy Quran and I am trying to live my life by it, I have been called a ‘Wahabi’, a ‘member of the Sunni sect’ and a ‘disgrace to the Bohra community.’ Lets see what the Quran says in this regard: -
Sura 6, Ayat 153
“Verily, this (Quran) is My Way leading straight: follow it; follow not other paths: they will partition you about from His great Path; thus does he command you, that you may guard yourself (against evil).”
Sura 6, Ayat 155
“And this is a Book which we have revealed as a blessing: so follow it and be righteous, that you may receive mercy.”
Sura 17, Ayat 89
“And We have explained to man, in this Quran, every kind of similitude: Yet the greater part of men refuse to (receive it) except with ingratitude.”
Comments: Given the clarity of the above Ayats, I do not understand why people cannot digest the fact that I am learning ‘the truth’. They directly place me into some named sect and tell me that I need to correct myself. Lets again look as to what the Quran has to say about ‘sects’.
Sura 6, Ayat 159
“As for those who divide their religion and break into sects, you have no part in them in the least: their affair is with Allah: He will in the end tell them the truth of all that they did.”
Comments: Hence it is very clear from the above two Ayats that we should not belong to any sects. We should instead be Muslims of Allah and follow the revelation (i.e. the Quran) he has sent down as a guidance to mankind. The following Ayats confirms this: -
Sura 14, Ayat 1
“Alif Lam Ra. A Book which We have revealed unto you, in order that thou mightest lead mankind out of the depths of darkness into light – by the leave of their Lord – to the way of the Exalted in Power, worthy of all Praise !”
Sura 3, Ayat 138
“Here is a plain statement to men, a guidance and instruction to those who fear Allah.”
Point # 2: Family members have also often quoted ‘who is the person who is teaching Shayan the Quran.’ Praise be to Allah, there is no one other than Allah who can teach us the Quran. Lets look at a couple of Ayats from the Holy Quran in this regard: -
Sura 16, Ayat 103
“We know indeed that they say. ‘It is a human being that teaches him.’ The tongue of him (i.e the teacher) they wickedly point to is notably foreign, while this is Arabic, pure and clear.”
Sura 55, Ayat 1 & 2
“(Allah) Most Gracious ! It is He who has taught the Quran.”
Comments: The clarity of the above two Ayats cannot be questioned. They are absolutely crystal clear in content. Nobody other than Allah can teach us the Quran.
Point # 3 : - People from the Bohra community have told me that I am an isolated person studying the Quran with ‘messed up’ concepts. Again, lets turn to the Quran and get our answer from the Holy Book.
Sura 54, Ayat 24,25&26
“For they said: ‘What ! A man ! A solitary one from among ourselves ! Shall we follow such a one? Truly should we then be straying in mind, and mad !”
“Is it that the Message is sent to him, of all people amongst us? Nay, he is a liar, an insolent one!”
“Ah ! they (the unbelievers) will know on the morrow, which is the liar, the insolent one!”
Point # 4 : - When the Ayats of the Quran are presented to most individuals, their reaction is that of anger, resentment and mistrust. According to the Quran, this anger and resentment is not targeted at the individual who is studying the Quran, but is instead targeted at the ‘Truth’ in the words of the Quran. The following Ayat confirms this : -
Sura 6, Ayat 33
“We know indeed the grief which their (i.e. the unbelievers) words do cause thee: It is not you they reject: It is the Ayats of Allah which the wicked condemn.”
The Quran also talks about the reaction of various individuals when the Quranic Ayats are rehearsed to them : -
Sura 22, Ayat 72
“When Our Clear Ayats are rehearsed to them, thou wilt notice a denial on the faces of the Unbelievers ! They nearly attack with violence those who rehearse Our Ayats to them. Say, ‘Shall I tell you of something worse than these Ayats? It is the Fire (of Hell)! Allah has promised it to the Unbelievers. And evil is that destination!’”
Sura 23, Ayat 66 to 70
“My Ayats used to be rehearsed to you, but you used to turn back on your heels,”
“In arrogance : talking nonsense about the (Quran), like one telling fables by night.”
“Do they not ponder over the Word (of Allah), or has anything (new) come to them that did not come to their fathers of old?”
“Or do they not recognize their Messenger, that they Deny him?”
“Or do they say, ‘there is madness in him’? Nay, he has bought them the Truth, but most of them hate the Truth.”
Point # 5: - People often feel that by studying the Quran and communicating the Ayats to them, I am trying to hinder them from the ancestral beliefs they follow. The following Ayats in the Quran discuss this issue: -
Sura 34, Ayat 43
“When are Clear Ayats are rehearsed to them, they say, ‘This is only a man that wishes to hinder you from what your fathers practiced.’ And they say, ‘This is only a falsehood invented!’ And the Unbelievers say of the Truth when it comes to them. ‘This is nothing but evident magic.’”
Point # 6: - We are all individually responsible for our own actions and deeds. Hence I do not understand why people are so concerned by me studying the Quran. I feel we need to look at ourselves first and then correct our actions in accordance to what the Quran has to say: -
Sura 17, Ayat 13 & 14
“Every man’s fate we have fastened on his own neck; On the Day of Judgement we shall bring out for him a scroll, which he will see spread open.”
“(It will be said to him) : ‘Read thine (own) record; Sufficient is thy soul this day to make out an account against thee.’”
Sura 17, Ayat 15
“Who receiveth guidance, receiveth it for his own benefit: who goes astray doth so to his own loss: No bearer of burdens can bear the burden of another: Nor would We visit with our wrath until we had sent a messenger (to give warning).”
Point # 7: - In my last write-up I had mentioned a few Ayats relating to what the Quran has to say about taking protectors / intercessors other than Allah. I have always heard from the educated lot and scholars that to reach God and his commandments, we need an intercessor, as it is impossible to understand Allah’s commandments in the Quran. Let me mention a few more Ayats which I forgot to mention in my last write-up.
Sura 10, Ayat 17 & 18
“Who doth more wrong than such as forge a lie against Allah, or deny His Ayats? But never will prosper those who sin.”
“They serve, besides Allah, things that hurt them not, nor profit them, and they say: ‘These are our intercessors with Allah.’ Say: ‘Do you indeed inform Allah of something he knows not, in the heavens or on earth? – Glory to Him! And far is He above the partners they ascribe (to Him)!’”
Sura 39, Ayat 43 & 44
“What ! Do they take for intercessors others besides Allah? Say: ‘Even if they have no power whatever and no intelligence?’ ”
“Say: ‘To Allah belongs exclusively (the right to grant) intercession : To Him belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth: In the end , it is to Him that you shall be bought back.’ ”
In Sura 39, Ayat 3
“IS it not to Allah that sincere devotion is due? But those who take for protectors others than Allah (say): ‘We only serve them in order that they may bring us nearer to Allah.’ Truly Allah will judge between them in that wherein they differ. But Allah guides not such as are false and ungrateful.”
Point # 8: - In conclusion, I would like to mention a few more Ayats which are relevant to this write-up. There are many more Ayats which I would like to include, but I will restrain myself from doing so as this write-up will become too long to read.
Sura 32, Ayat 2 & 3
“This is the revelation of the Book in which there is no doubt – from the Lord of the Worlds.”
“Or do they say, ‘he has forged it?’ Nay, it is the truth from thy Lord, that thou mayest admonish a people to whom no warner has come to thee: In order that they may receive guidance.”
Sura 22, Ayat 51
“But those (i.e. the unbelievers) who strive against our Ayats, to frustrate them (i.e. the believers) – They will be companions of the Fire.”
Sura 7, Ayat 51 & 52
“ ‘Such as took their religion to be mere amusement and play, and were deceived by the life of the world.’ That day (Day of Qiamat) shall we forget them as they forgot the meeting of this day (Day of Qiamat) of theirs, and as they used to reject our Ayats (Ayats).”
“For We had certainly sent unto them a Book (i.e. The Quran), based on knowledge, which we explained in detail – a guide and a mercy to all who believe.”
Sura 22, Ayat 73
“O men! Here is a parable set forth! Listen to it! Those on whom, besides Allah, ye call, cannot create even a fly, if they all met together for the purpose! And if the fly should snatch away anything from them, they would have no power to release it from the fly. Weak are those who seek and those whom they seek!”
Best regards,
sak955@yahoo.com
Questioning the various 'Do's and Dont's' of the Daw
Re: Questioning the various 'Do's and Dont's' of the Daw
dear mumineen,
In my view the Kothar's persecution of Bohras is a minor crime compared to what it is doing to sensible people like you: driving them away to the "sunni/wahabi" fold. For this crime Allah will burn these mullahs in hellfire for eternity.
Your "conversion" once again confirms what I've been saying all along that taking the text of the Quran seriously - without understanding the hisotry, culture, social and political context of its origins - is a dangerous thing. But in your case it is not that dangerous yet because you seem to be concentrating only on benign verses. Wait till you get to the more meaty ones, which by the way you cannot avoid. Because given your literalist approach, if you take one aspect of the Quran as literal truth you have no choice but to take all of the Quran too as literal turth.
For example, as discussed on another thread with your now new-found friend anajmi, what do you make of the follwing ayats: 4:88 to 4: 90, or other ayats in simila vein: 2:176, 2:190-93, 2:216, 3:19, 3:28; 5:57, 6:36, 6;39, 6:125, 33:60-62.
I hope and pray that you and your likes do not pracitce every canon of the Quran to the letter.
In my view the Kothar's persecution of Bohras is a minor crime compared to what it is doing to sensible people like you: driving them away to the "sunni/wahabi" fold. For this crime Allah will burn these mullahs in hellfire for eternity.
Your "conversion" once again confirms what I've been saying all along that taking the text of the Quran seriously - without understanding the hisotry, culture, social and political context of its origins - is a dangerous thing. But in your case it is not that dangerous yet because you seem to be concentrating only on benign verses. Wait till you get to the more meaty ones, which by the way you cannot avoid. Because given your literalist approach, if you take one aspect of the Quran as literal truth you have no choice but to take all of the Quran too as literal turth.
For example, as discussed on another thread with your now new-found friend anajmi, what do you make of the follwing ayats: 4:88 to 4: 90, or other ayats in simila vein: 2:176, 2:190-93, 2:216, 3:19, 3:28; 5:57, 6:36, 6;39, 6:125, 33:60-62.
I hope and pray that you and your likes do not pracitce every canon of the Quran to the letter.
Re: Questioning the various 'Do's and Dont's' of the Daw
Humsafar
Sorry, We are just the messengers - not the author of the missive.
It's partly our fault for your misunderstanding for not previously clarifying this upfront.
We know the person's name, but only wish to divulge his e-mail address for any direct or indirect comments or concerns, if any. We are NOT wahabis as alleged but born and still proud Bohris; but being ostracised, shunned and persecuted by the Kotharis and their sycophants for over 30 years for our progressive views and or associations with our respective families . So, please don't hang the messengers please? Thanks.
Sorry, We are just the messengers - not the author of the missive.
It's partly our fault for your misunderstanding for not previously clarifying this upfront.
We know the person's name, but only wish to divulge his e-mail address for any direct or indirect comments or concerns, if any. We are NOT wahabis as alleged but born and still proud Bohris; but being ostracised, shunned and persecuted by the Kotharis and their sycophants for over 30 years for our progressive views and or associations with our respective families . So, please don't hang the messengers please? Thanks.
Re: Questioning the various 'Do's and Dont's' of the Daw
Phew!! What a relief to know that it is not you. I had a hard time believing that "mumineen" of all people would go the anajmi way. If you care, you can extend my response to your friend. I've no wish to cotact him privately.
Re: Questioning the various 'Do's and Dont's' of the Daw
Sorry, wrong again! NOT to be nitpicky! but an important clarification.
He is NOT a friend as assumed by you. I only said" We know the person's name,...."
He is NOT a friend as assumed by you. I only said" We know the person's name,...."
Re: Questioning the various 'Do's and Dont's' of the Daw
Oops! Sorry. Agreed, every person whose name and emial you happen to know is not a friend. I stand corrected.
Re: Questioning the various 'Do's and Dont's' of the Daw
mumineen,
The person whose e-mail address you posted is welcome to participate on this board.
I am eager to discuss with him if he is content to wait until he is dead to confirm he has been forgiven. Or, is he going to seek validation of his forgiven-ness from other humans.
God, in all his infinite wisdom, has sent us a very ambiguous Quran. It is like framers of the US constitution. The constitution's ambiguity is interpreted and resolved by the Supreme Court.
Quran says, not totally unambiguously, to seek resolution of ambiguity in the Quran from those in authority over you (ulul amr).
Who would your friend have resolve ambiguity for you? Those whom God appoints (the Shia view) or those who have risen to authority in a Society by whatever means available to them (Sunni view).
The person whose e-mail address you posted is welcome to participate on this board.
I am eager to discuss with him if he is content to wait until he is dead to confirm he has been forgiven. Or, is he going to seek validation of his forgiven-ness from other humans.
God, in all his infinite wisdom, has sent us a very ambiguous Quran. It is like framers of the US constitution. The constitution's ambiguity is interpreted and resolved by the Supreme Court.
Quran says, not totally unambiguously, to seek resolution of ambiguity in the Quran from those in authority over you (ulul amr).
Who would your friend have resolve ambiguity for you? Those whom God appoints (the Shia view) or those who have risen to authority in a Society by whatever means available to them (Sunni view).
Triumph of hope over experience! Or a theological delusion!we are sure to find a solution to ALL our problems in the Quran.
Re: Questioning the various 'Do's and Dont's' of the Daw
Typo : Who would your friend have resolve ambiguity for him?
Re: Questioning the various 'Do's and Dont's' of the Daw
Sorry, he is not your friend, of course!.
Re: Questioning the various 'Do's and Dont's' of the Daw
Humsafar,
I was re-reading those ayahs that you pointed out and they fit you like a glove. More beautiful words had never been written. No wonder their interpretation causes people like you to shit in their pants and it doesn't matter which interpretation you are reading.
Comments in italics are mine.
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YUSUFALI: Why should ye be divided into two parties about the Hypocrites? Allah hath upset them for their (evil) deeds. Would ye guide those whom Allah hath thrown out of the Way? For those whom Allah hath thrown out of the Way, never shalt thou find the Way.
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YUSUFALI: They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks;-
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YUSUFALI: Except those who join a group between whom and you there is a treaty (of peace), or those who approach you with hearts restraining them from fighting you as well as fighting their own people. If Allah had pleased, He could have given them power over you, and they would have fought you: Therefore if they withdraw from you but fight you not, and (instead) send you (Guarantees of) peace, then Allah Hath opened no way for you (to war against them).
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YUSUFALI: (Their doom is) because Allah sent down the Book in truth but those who seek causes of dispute in the Book are in a schism Far (from the purpose).
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YUSUFALI: Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loveth not transgressors.
I am fighting you and am doing it within limits. Alhumdulillah.
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YUSUFALI: And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have Turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith.
Those who are being oppressed are fighting back. If I had been oppressed I would've been fighting back. Fortunately, this country is still a few more years from giving power over to people like you.
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YUSUFALI: But if they cease, Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.
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YUSUFALI: And fight them on until there is no more Tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah; but if they cease, Let there be no hostility except to those who practise oppression.
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YUSUFALI: Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not.
Absolutely, anyone who says it is not is a coward.
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YUSUFALI: The Religion before Allah is Islam (submission to His Will): Nor did the People of the Book dissent therefrom except through envy of each other, after knowledge had come to them. But if any deny the Signs of Allah, Allah is swift in calling to account.
Not sure if you even knew what this ayah was saying. Mutashabihaat?
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YUSUFALI: Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah: except by way of precaution, that ye may Guard yourselves from them. But Allah cautions you (To remember) Himself; for the final goal is to Allah.
Seriously, do you think I can take you or any other average moron for a friend?
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YUSUFALI: O ye who believe! take not for friends and protectors those who take your religion for a mockery or sport,- whether among those who received the Scripture before you, or among those who reject Faith; but fear ye Allah, if ye have faith (indeed).
Another ayah which fits you perfectly.
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YUSUFALI: Those who listen (in truth), be sure, will accept: as to the dead, Allah will raise them up; then will they be turned unto Him.
Again not sure if you were actually reading the ayahs. If a muslim finds it difficult to believe in this ayah then he is not a muslim.
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YUSUFALI: Those who reject our signs are deaf and dumb,- in the midst of darkness profound: whom Allah willeth, He leaveth to wander: whom He willeth, He placeth on the way that is straight.
How many time have I said the same thing to you over and over again, but you keep coming back with the same thing over and over again. How else would you describe someone like that but as deaf and dumb. Alhumdulillah.
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YUSUFALI: Those whom Allah (in His plan) willeth to guide,- He openeth their breast to Islam; those whom He willeth to leave straying,- He maketh their breast close and constricted, as if they had to climb up to the skies: thus doth Allah (heap) the penalty on those who refuse to believe.
Now in my case only you dislike me, but in your case it is Allah who dislikes you. I am wondering who got the better deal.
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YUSUFALI: Truly, if the Hypocrites, and those in whose hearts is a disease, and those who stir up sedition in the City, desist not, We shall certainly stir thee up against them: Then will they not be able to stay in it as thy neighbours for any length of time:
You should read a little about Iraq and Palestine and you won't even need an interpretation.
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YUSUFALI: They shall have a curse on them: whenever they are found, they shall be seized and slain (without mercy).
Now imagine how you would look with a curse on you.
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YUSUFALI: (Such was) the practice (approved) of Allah among those who lived aforetime: No change wilt thou find in the practice (approved) of Allah.
So those who lived aforetime were cursed and those who live like them today are cursed too.
I think it is time that you start reading some other ayahs of the quran like
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YUSUFALI: This is the Book; in it is guidance sure, without doubt, to those who fear Allah;
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YUSUFALI: Who believe in the Unseen, are steadfast in prayer, and spend out of what We have provided for them;
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YUSUFALI: And who believe in the Revelation sent to thee, and sent before thy time, and (in their hearts) have the assurance of the Hereafter.
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YUSUFALI: They are on (true) guidance, from their Lord, and it is these who will prosper.
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YUSUFALI: And the likeness of those who spend their substance, seeking to please Allah and to strengthen their souls, is as a garden, high and fertile: heavy rain falls on it but makes it yield a double increase of harvest, and if it receives not Heavy rain, light moisture sufficeth it. Allah seeth well whatever ye do.
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YUSUFALI: But give glad tidings to those who believe and work righteousness, that their portion is Gardens, beneath which rivers flow. Every time they are fed with fruits therefrom, they say: "Why, this is what we were fed with before," for they are given things in similitude; and they have therein companions pure (and holy); and they abide therein (for ever).
and hundreds of other similar ones. They will help you more in the hereafter.
I was re-reading those ayahs that you pointed out and they fit you like a glove. More beautiful words had never been written. No wonder their interpretation causes people like you to shit in their pants and it doesn't matter which interpretation you are reading.
Comments in italics are mine.
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YUSUFALI: Why should ye be divided into two parties about the Hypocrites? Allah hath upset them for their (evil) deeds. Would ye guide those whom Allah hath thrown out of the Way? For those whom Allah hath thrown out of the Way, never shalt thou find the Way.
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YUSUFALI: They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks;-
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YUSUFALI: Except those who join a group between whom and you there is a treaty (of peace), or those who approach you with hearts restraining them from fighting you as well as fighting their own people. If Allah had pleased, He could have given them power over you, and they would have fought you: Therefore if they withdraw from you but fight you not, and (instead) send you (Guarantees of) peace, then Allah Hath opened no way for you (to war against them).
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YUSUFALI: (Their doom is) because Allah sent down the Book in truth but those who seek causes of dispute in the Book are in a schism Far (from the purpose).
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YUSUFALI: Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loveth not transgressors.
I am fighting you and am doing it within limits. Alhumdulillah.
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YUSUFALI: And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have Turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith.
Those who are being oppressed are fighting back. If I had been oppressed I would've been fighting back. Fortunately, this country is still a few more years from giving power over to people like you.
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YUSUFALI: But if they cease, Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.
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YUSUFALI: And fight them on until there is no more Tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah; but if they cease, Let there be no hostility except to those who practise oppression.
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YUSUFALI: Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not.
Absolutely, anyone who says it is not is a coward.
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YUSUFALI: The Religion before Allah is Islam (submission to His Will): Nor did the People of the Book dissent therefrom except through envy of each other, after knowledge had come to them. But if any deny the Signs of Allah, Allah is swift in calling to account.
Not sure if you even knew what this ayah was saying. Mutashabihaat?
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YUSUFALI: Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah: except by way of precaution, that ye may Guard yourselves from them. But Allah cautions you (To remember) Himself; for the final goal is to Allah.
Seriously, do you think I can take you or any other average moron for a friend?
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YUSUFALI: O ye who believe! take not for friends and protectors those who take your religion for a mockery or sport,- whether among those who received the Scripture before you, or among those who reject Faith; but fear ye Allah, if ye have faith (indeed).
Another ayah which fits you perfectly.
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YUSUFALI: Those who listen (in truth), be sure, will accept: as to the dead, Allah will raise them up; then will they be turned unto Him.
Again not sure if you were actually reading the ayahs. If a muslim finds it difficult to believe in this ayah then he is not a muslim.
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YUSUFALI: Those who reject our signs are deaf and dumb,- in the midst of darkness profound: whom Allah willeth, He leaveth to wander: whom He willeth, He placeth on the way that is straight.
How many time have I said the same thing to you over and over again, but you keep coming back with the same thing over and over again. How else would you describe someone like that but as deaf and dumb. Alhumdulillah.
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YUSUFALI: Those whom Allah (in His plan) willeth to guide,- He openeth their breast to Islam; those whom He willeth to leave straying,- He maketh their breast close and constricted, as if they had to climb up to the skies: thus doth Allah (heap) the penalty on those who refuse to believe.
Now in my case only you dislike me, but in your case it is Allah who dislikes you. I am wondering who got the better deal.
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YUSUFALI: Truly, if the Hypocrites, and those in whose hearts is a disease, and those who stir up sedition in the City, desist not, We shall certainly stir thee up against them: Then will they not be able to stay in it as thy neighbours for any length of time:
You should read a little about Iraq and Palestine and you won't even need an interpretation.
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YUSUFALI: They shall have a curse on them: whenever they are found, they shall be seized and slain (without mercy).
Now imagine how you would look with a curse on you.
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YUSUFALI: (Such was) the practice (approved) of Allah among those who lived aforetime: No change wilt thou find in the practice (approved) of Allah.
So those who lived aforetime were cursed and those who live like them today are cursed too.
I think it is time that you start reading some other ayahs of the quran like
002.002
YUSUFALI: This is the Book; in it is guidance sure, without doubt, to those who fear Allah;
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YUSUFALI: Who believe in the Unseen, are steadfast in prayer, and spend out of what We have provided for them;
002.004
YUSUFALI: And who believe in the Revelation sent to thee, and sent before thy time, and (in their hearts) have the assurance of the Hereafter.
002.005
YUSUFALI: They are on (true) guidance, from their Lord, and it is these who will prosper.
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YUSUFALI: And the likeness of those who spend their substance, seeking to please Allah and to strengthen their souls, is as a garden, high and fertile: heavy rain falls on it but makes it yield a double increase of harvest, and if it receives not Heavy rain, light moisture sufficeth it. Allah seeth well whatever ye do.
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YUSUFALI: But give glad tidings to those who believe and work righteousness, that their portion is Gardens, beneath which rivers flow. Every time they are fed with fruits therefrom, they say: "Why, this is what we were fed with before," for they are given things in similitude; and they have therein companions pure (and holy); and they abide therein (for ever).
and hundreds of other similar ones. They will help you more in the hereafter.
Re: Questioning the various 'Do's and Dont's' of the Daw
Humsafar,
My previous post might actually become too much for you to grasp so let me explain something I figured in short.
First - You tell me not to believe in the literal interpretation of the quran and then tell me that I am not a muslim because I don't believe in the literal interpretation of the quran. Some saying with chit and pat comes to mind.
Second - According to you there are multiple interpretations of the quran and hence there are multiple versions of Islam. And I believe that there can be multiple interpretations of the quran and I do not agree that this is the reason why there has to be multiple versions of Islam. How you might ask. This is because every "version" of Islam actually believes in only of the interpretations of the quran. If every "version" of Islam believed that there can be multiple interpretations of the quran there wouldn't be multiple "versions" of Islam.
So next time you might want to think before trying to shove your own interpretation of the quran down the throats of others while complaining that they are shoving their interpretation down yours.
My previous post might actually become too much for you to grasp so let me explain something I figured in short.
First - You tell me not to believe in the literal interpretation of the quran and then tell me that I am not a muslim because I don't believe in the literal interpretation of the quran. Some saying with chit and pat comes to mind.
Second - According to you there are multiple interpretations of the quran and hence there are multiple versions of Islam. And I believe that there can be multiple interpretations of the quran and I do not agree that this is the reason why there has to be multiple versions of Islam. How you might ask. This is because every "version" of Islam actually believes in only of the interpretations of the quran. If every "version" of Islam believed that there can be multiple interpretations of the quran there wouldn't be multiple "versions" of Islam.
So next time you might want to think before trying to shove your own interpretation of the quran down the throats of others while complaining that they are shoving their interpretation down yours.
Re: Questioning the various 'Do's and Dont's' of the Daw
Anjami,
All I'm trying to say is that you be consistent in your approach. If the Quran tell you to pray 5 times a day you do that. But when it tell you to fight Jihad you hesistate. In fact, I hope that you would do no such thing. But the problem is that when you organise and build your life around the Quran, then you cannot pick and choose what is convenient to you. Islam, given your strong convictions about its truth, is a package deal. No ifs and buts.
All I'm trying to say is that you be consistent in your approach. If the Quran tell you to pray 5 times a day you do that. But when it tell you to fight Jihad you hesistate. In fact, I hope that you would do no such thing. But the problem is that when you organise and build your life around the Quran, then you cannot pick and choose what is convenient to you. Islam, given your strong convictions about its truth, is a package deal. No ifs and buts.
Re: Questioning the various 'Do's and Dont's' of the Daw
Why do you question the hand which gives you salvation.
No one is forcing you
Have you recited the Holy Quran in arabic or read from a Translation... if you have read the translation then there lies the fault.
Go clean your heart and mind and then just like an onion peel go through the steps of learning all the knowledge from the source.
Talking about blind faith .... Do you question if your mother is not your mother (you have faith in her and that is blind faith)
You need to have faith to go further ... there is no room for skeptics and people with dual allegiance.
No one is forcing you
Have you recited the Holy Quran in arabic or read from a Translation... if you have read the translation then there lies the fault.
Go clean your heart and mind and then just like an onion peel go through the steps of learning all the knowledge from the source.
Talking about blind faith .... Do you question if your mother is not your mother (you have faith in her and that is blind faith)
You need to have faith to go further ... there is no room for skeptics and people with dual allegiance.
Re: Questioning the various 'Do's and Dont's' of the Daw
It is difficult to talk to a person with such absolute certainties. "Learn all the knowledge from the source", "Go clean your heart and mind", "You need to have faith to go further","there is no room for skeptics" - these are thundering commandments of a mullah. Hope you are not one.
Of course "no one is forcing" anyone but that does not mean one can't question. Equating the faith in the supernatural and the faith in one's mother is really dumb. Does this mean you accept your mother just on faith?
Of course "no one is forcing" anyone but that does not mean one can't question. Equating the faith in the supernatural and the faith in one's mother is really dumb. Does this mean you accept your mother just on faith?
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Re: Questioning the various 'Do's and Dont's' of the Daw
Coolguy said:
Do you really know in whose hand salvation is?
It not in "Muhammad's of Ali's or Hussain's or Mulla Burhan's.
It is in the hands of Allah SWT.
I guess dumb, deef and blind like you will not understand.
Wasalaam
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Hay coolguy,Why do you question the hand which gives you salvation.
Do you really know in whose hand salvation is?
It not in "Muhammad's of Ali's or Hussain's or Mulla Burhan's.
It is in the hands of Allah SWT.
I guess dumb, deef and blind like you will not understand.
Wasalaam
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Re: Questioning the various 'Do's and Dont's' of the Daw
Dear Friends,
I am the person who has compiled the various Ayats from the Quran which question the various Do's and Dont's of the community. 'Mumineen' has been very kind to post this compilation of mine since I have just recently been approved as a member.
My sincere request to you all would be 'please do not fight and please do not accuse each other of wrong doing'.
The compilation as posted above are the the beautiful words of the Quran. We all are accountable for our own deeds and hence there is no point in arguing with each other.
Best regards,
Karachi01
I am the person who has compiled the various Ayats from the Quran which question the various Do's and Dont's of the community. 'Mumineen' has been very kind to post this compilation of mine since I have just recently been approved as a member.
My sincere request to you all would be 'please do not fight and please do not accuse each other of wrong doing'.
The compilation as posted above are the the beautiful words of the Quran. We all are accountable for our own deeds and hence there is no point in arguing with each other.
Best regards,
Karachi01