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[sinsaf]

GREED as a driving force has no match. At the advanced age of 92 years Sayedna Saheb is always on march. He organises huge gatherings in far away places like, Egypt, Karachi, America, Iraq and now in Dubai and compels thousands of Bohras all over the world to go there. The holy months of Ramadan and Moharram are the best moneymaking months for him.

This year an announcement on Sayedna's Web-site has appeared which states as under:
It is a great shaan of Moula TUS that Shaikh Mohammed -The Ruler of Dubai ( the government of the UAE) will send an official aircraft for Molana to travel from Bombay to Dubai.

There is NOT a word mentioned regarding Moharram Sermons by Sayedna in Dubai. What is stated here is about the Great Glory (shaan) of Sayedna Saheb and reception that will be accorded to him by Dubai Government.

One thing must be clearly understood here that Dubai Government is a Sunni Government. With Sayedna Saheb's track record of openly cursing the Khalifas of Sunni Muslims during his sermons in Bombay few years back and creating a riot between Sunni Muslims and Bohras, a Sunni Government will not entertain him for Moharram Sermons.

Then why has the Ruler of Dubai invited Sayedna to Dubai?

Here again greed is playing its cards. Sayedna has promised him that he is bringing 50,000 persons for shopping in Dubai.

As for his Moharram vaiz is concerned, his sermons are delivered in the concealed atmosphere of Bohra mosques limited to his followers only. Sayedna has never delivered his sermons from an open public platform like other Shia or Sunni vaizeen.
It is firstly because of his limited study of the subject. His sermons are limited to crude traditional description of events in Karbala and his self-praise. He has nothing to offer to the Muslims in general.
Secondly it is because of the language barrier. Sayedna can speak neither proper Gujarati nor Urdu nor English. His Lisane Dawat (language of Dawat) can only be understood by his establishment; even common Bohras do not understand it.
Yes, he can speak Arabic, he wears Arabic dress (when goes to an Arab country changes his Bohra turban and wears Arabic style turban), has Arabic style names. Therefore he can deceive Arabs to some extent. He has acquired certain positions like becoming Chancellor of Alighar Muslim University. (He never stepped into that University through out his tenure as Chancellor.)
Thirdly the population of Dawoodi Bohras among Muslims and even among Shia Muslims is most insignificant. So that makes Sayedna a most insignificant religious leader too.
So the ruler of Dubai has not invited Sayedna for any religious significance. It is pure and simple monitory consideration - shopping by 50,000 bohras reaching Dubai.

And Bohras are there to enjoy great feast and shopping. What an insult to Martyr Husain (A.S.)!!!

[WYP]

NaInsaaf you can't fathom the Shaan of our Maula, so keep burning. It is true what Maula says, you will burn here and in the hereafter. :p :p

[WYP]

From 7th Moharram, 1425 Wa'az:

The second surah prayed in this Namaaz is Surat al-Munafiqoon. Huzurala (TUS) explained that "nifaaq" is derived from the word 'nafaqaa' - a hole of a rodent. This hole has two exits so that if the rodent is pursued from one it escapes from the other. Similarly, munafiqeen are two faced. If one tries to catch their menace they will find another way out.

Within the surat it is written that the munafiqeen take oath that Mohammed is Rasulallah; Allah knows that Mohammed is Rasulallah but Allah bears witness that the munafiqeen are lying.

What they say with their mouths is not what they have in their hearts. Such people exist today as well. Those who say they believe in the Dai Mutlaq but then exhibit their inner opposition to the Dai in various ways. Their oath of believing in the Dai is actually a shield, which allows them to stay within the circle of Dawat. Once in, they spread their nefarious activities, which no one would pay attention to if they didn't claim to believe in the Dai.

[sinsaf]

Friends! Very few people have Self-accusation or self-criticism spirit. Though this quality is a must for self-improvement and progress.
Believing in the system of Fatemi Dawat and Dai as the official head of that Dawat does not stop any one from criticizing officials when they mislead an entire community for their self-glory and selfish motives.
The word for Munafiq in English is Hypocrite, means to have something in heart but something different in expression.
Is it wrong that Dubai is not a Sunni Muslim rule? Is it wrong that our beloved Dai Sayedna Mohammed Burhanuddin does not curse the Sunni Muslim Khalifas? Whatever his justifications may be. Is it wrong to point out that now-a-days we Bohras under his direction celebrate Moharram rather than commemorating it? Is it wrong to point out that no Dai before him had stopped local Vaiz and tried to force his followers to collect at one place far away in the world just to hear him? Is it wrong to point out the crores of rupees are community's money is being misused to relay his rutine vaiz every year? Is it wrong to point out that we Dawoodi Bohras are in insignificant numbers as compared to other Sunni and Shia Muslims both in India and in world? Is it wrong to say that our Dai has never addressed Muslims in general from a public platform? Is it wrong to say that Sayedna Saheb's literary or social contribution to Alighar Muslim University is nil even after becoming its Chancellor? What is wrong in my statement? And titles aquired by him are for Self-glory which he so often advertises in the media.
What is wrong in pointing out that the Tamasha stage-managed by our Dai’s establishment every Moharram is not for any love of Imam Husain but it is to glorify his image (Shaan)? Is it wrong to point out that the luxurious life-style of our Dai, who calls himself Sultanul-Bawahir and his children as Princes and Princesses is quite contradictory to that earlier Dais and Ahle-baite-Rasulillah and close to the life-style of Bani-Umayyah? Where do you find me in my observations?

[sinsaf]

Friends! Very few people have Self-accusation or self-criticism spirit. Though this quality is a must for self-improvement and progress.
Believing in the system of Fatemi Dawat and Dai as the official head of that Dawat does not stop any one from criticizing officials when they mislead an entire community for their self-glory and selfish motives.
The word for Munafiq in English is Hypocrite, means to have something in heart but something different in expression.
Is it wrong that in Dubai there is a Sunni Muslim rule? Is it wrong that our beloved Dai Sayedna Mohammed Burhanuddin does not curse the Sunni Muslim Khalifas? Whatever his justifications may be. Is it wrong to point out that now-a-days we Bohras under his direction celebrate Moharram rather than commemorating it? Is it wrong to point out that no Dai before him had stopped local Vaiz and tried to force his followers to collect at one place far away in the world just to hear him? Is it wrong to point out the crores of rupees are community's money is being misused to relay his rutine vaiz every year? Is it wrong to point out that we Dawoodi Bohras are in insignificant numbers as compared to other Sunni and Shia Muslims both in India and in world? Is it wrong to say that our Dai has never addressed Muslims in general from a public platform? Is it wrong to say that Sayedna Saheb's literary or social contribution to Alighar Muslim University is nil even after becoming its Chancellor? What is wrong in my statement? And titles aquired by him are for Self-glory which he so often advertises in the media.
What is wrong in pointing out that the Tamasha stage-managed by our Dai’s establishment every Moharram is not for any love of Imam Husain but it is to glorify his image (Shaan)? Is it wrong to point out that the luxurious life-style of our Dai, who calls himself Sultanul-Bawahir and his children as Princes and Princesses is quite contradictory to that earlier Dais and Ahle-baite-Rasulillah and close to the life-style of Bani-Umayyah? Where do you find me WRONG in my observations?

[Muhsin]

Our "Role Model" is prophet Muhammed (pbuh).Is this old man and the gang follw the prophet??? There is no way he can justify this bloody Tamashas.

Prophet was the head of the state but lived a simple life. This old man and the gang is a self- apponted leader and explointing all of us.Allah's curse will be unavoidable if he and those gangsters doens't change. Probably they can enjoy the life in this world but painful punishment is waiting for them in the hereafter.

Is this the time for Tamashas. It is bloody shame a Sunni is commenting on this.What a disgrace!

[WYP]

Originally posted by S. Insaf:

Is it wrong that in Dubai there is a Sunni Muslim rule? Is it wrong that our beloved Dai Sayedna Mohammed Burhanuddin does not curse the Sunni Muslim Khalifas? Whatever his justifications may be.

The Dai has a right to curse WHOEVER did zulm-o-sitam on Ahle bait.

Is it wrong to point out that now-a-days we Bohras under his direction celebrate Moharram rather than commemorating it? Is it wrong to point out that no Dai before him had stopped local Vaiz and tried to force his followers to collect at one place far away in the world just to hear him?

If you consider weeping, wailing and matam to be celebration then so be it. NaInsaaf, where did you get this thing about stopping local Wa'az? There are a total of 580 centers in the world where Wa'az is being conducted with raza from Huzurala TUS. There are about 41000 mumineen in Dubai at the moment, and may I remind you there are about a million of us in this world.

Is it wrong to point out the crores of rupees are community's money is being misused to relay his rutine vaiz every year?

It aint your money. All the money in the world can never measure up to seeing and hearing Huzurala TUS pray the shahadat of Imam Hussain AS

Is it wrong to point out that we Dawoodi Bohras are in insignificant numbers as compared to other Sunni and Shia Muslims both in India and in world? Is it wrong to say that our Dai has never addressed Muslims in general from a public platform? Is it wrong to say that Sayedna Saheb's literary or social contribution to Alighar Muslim University is nil even after becoming its Chancellor? What is wrong in my statement?

whats your point? there is no obligation on the Dai to address Muslims in general. He will address if and when he feels like it. His task is to seek najaat for his mumineen and thats what he is doing.

And titles aquired by him are for Self-glory which he so often advertises in the media.
What is wrong in pointing out that the Tamasha stage-managed by our Dai's establishment every Moharram is not for any love of Imam Husain but it is to glorify his image (Shaan)?

Your opinion. Who cares what you think? If you think that Bohras are insignificant, then what are you among Bohras?

Is it wrong to point out that the luxurious life-style of our Dai, who calls himself Sultanul-Bawahir and his children as Princes and Princesses is quite contradictory to that earlier Dais and Ahle-baite-Rasulillah and close to the life-style of Bani-Umayyah? Where do you find me WRONG in my observations?

what do you know about the lifestyle of our Dai? do you know how many hours in a day a 92 year old man sleeps? do you know any other 92 year old man who sits in one position for 4 hours and delivers barakaat in the form of his Noorani Kalemaat. do you know about the hundreds of arzi's he goes through and replies each day. what do you know? under the leadership of our Dai, our community has shown progress in almost every walk of life. Dawoodi-bohras are respected and held in high esteem in every society. In the entire Muslim world, you will not find a better example of following Shariah and Worldly laws. And yet we are one of the most advanced and modern communities. Your concept of modern is that we should look, act, and do what the westerners do. If we are spending money, we are doing so in the way of Allah, Fi-sabil-allah. We only hope and pray for a better akherat. Unfortunately your akherat seems destined to be in the Hellfire. Enjoy the warm weather.

[janmohamed]

I saw with great amazement the Bohras arriving in Dubai in large numbers. It is so true that these people are there purely for the purpose of shopping as I spotted quite a few of them in Gold Souks and other shopping malls during the first few days of Muharram.

It is rather sad that these so called followers of Imam Ali rather than paying their tributes and condolences to our Imam, go about shopping as someone said to me not long ago that our Sayyedna has said that after the 10 days of muharram, they are free to do what they want, but it now seems quite apparent that sayyedna saaheb himself is too engrossed in acquiring the attention and fame for himself even during the 10 days of Muharram.

I am really concerned that their leaders' surmons are never made public! If they are believers of Ahlul Bayt, then what is there to hide from the masses? A question I would like answered most of all............... can anyone help answer that question especially from the Dawoodi Bohra group?

Brother In Islam
Janmohamed saaheb

[Average Bohra]

The Ruler of Dubai ( the government of the UAE) will send an official aircraft for Molana to travel from Bombay to Dubai.

It is my understanding that this plane was sent by a Sheik and not the government of Dubai. These guys had to lie about the Mayor of Houston greeting him at the airport, when it was a deputy peon in charge of Cultural Affairs from the Mayors office. They also paid $5000/plate for a Clinton fundraiser and the only request they made was to ask him to greet the Dai at the Airport the next time he came to the US (which didn't happen i.e. Dai came, Clinton didn't).

Let me correct that....thet didn't pay $5000/plate, the community did. Just as the community buys the meals but the invitation for the Ashura Jamans, and lodging don't give them credit for their money.

....but you know what, the mumins deserve it...it's their money and slavery...not mine...

[Average Bohra]

Aqa Maula (TUS) has graciously granted raza mubarak for all mumineen to listen to Kalemaat Nooraniyah from the Waaz of 9th Moharram 1424.

Why is it so gracious to grant Raza to listen to the Kalemaat ? Does he not want all to listen ? Or is it that the live simulcast and video is cuttin' into the profits ? Watch out, "Internet Kalemaat Nooraniyah Salaam Mubarak Cash" is to follow.....

Coming to a Jamaat near you.......

[mumin]

s.Insaf. Yes i had the opportunity to listen to the vaez of the 8th.
I am a shia.i have a few questions to the Daee.
1. By cursing Abbu bakr, umer and Usman, you are also cursing the father in laws of the Rasool.
What is the difference between a munafiqin and a mumin if the mumin also curses.
The Quran is clear on the subject. The rasool is a messanger and is simply asked to deliver the message, it is not becoming of him to curse those who do not accept islam or to use physical force.
"Mohammed,your job is to deliver the message and there are some who will never accept because we have already tied them with chains upto their chins. and Allah will deal with them at the appointed time.
Question. If you hate Abbu Bakr and Umer, I understand, but do you have an explanation as to why the Rasool married the daughters of Abbu Bakr and Umer?
The shan of the Rasool was that an old women threw dirt on him but he went to visit her when she got sick. There was no cursing.

2. Also note that the Daee tried to fortify his position by referring to a letter from the late , late Daee confirming his nas and that he was the haqiqi daee. Along the lines of this subject the past Daee had called all the sheikhs of that time "AHMAK" which translates to stupid. SOme of the sheikhs of to day are. They are buying this glorification on the strength of their wealth, nothing to do with their morals or Islamic Character. The Daee specifically states that drinking and smoking are against Islam ,yet these so called sheikhs of to day are womenising, drinking and smoking. The Daee also praised one Fakhruddin Sadriwalla for giving him a huge sum. I wonder, with all the riches that Abbu bakr spent to the cause of the Rasool did the Rasool even once praised him. No , He was always praising Ali who had meagre means. Do we learn a lesson from this.
Also The Daee states while reciting the shahadat of Fatima that when Fatima spent the last moments with Ali she said to Ali that from the day she came to his house she has never told a lie(and every body starts crying and doing matam) I fail to understand. Does the Daee imply that Fatima did tell lies when she was living with her father. No. No No, that was never. SHe as a fact was born from the essence of the fruit of jannat(Tuffah i.e. Apple) lies and Fatima are miles and miles apart.

[sinsaf]

Brother mumin you have rightly quoted that:
The shan of the Rasool was that an old women threw dirt on him but he went to visit her when she got sick. There was no cursing.
But our beloved Daiz-Zaman cannot tolerate even Dr. Asghar Ali Engineer traveling with him in the same aircraft and so his anger by showering abuses by his man through out the journey and then finally bashing him at the Bombay airport. He claims to be Mamluke Rasool and Dai of Ahle-baite-Rasool!!

[Muhsin]

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Insaf Are you comparing Prophet Muhammed (pbuh) with this bloody sydna?Who is Rasoolullah and who is this bloody self- appointed Iblis old man?

This old man and the gang encourage oppression.
He must be enjoying his Dubai Shopping Festival Trip at our cost!

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[sinsaf]

The Dai has a right to curse WHOEVER did zulm-o-sitam on Ahle bait.
Brother WYP! If our beloved Dai-ul-Mutlaq is right in cuesing the Khalifas then he should have not submitted a written appology on Dawat's letter head with his signature and certified by the Chief Minister of Maharashtra, Shree Sharad Pawar, stating the 'Signed in front of me'.
Imam Husain sacrified his life but sticked to his principles. Does our Daiz-Zaman has any?

[hur]

I am a shia.

I curse those that oppose the ahlul bayt.

I based this on the teachings of our Imams who cursed the same people today.

Cursing is not generalized to all..but to specific people who did specific things. Abu Bakr, Umar, Uthman, Yazid, Muwaiya, etc. all did bad things to the family of Prophet after the Prophet's demise. Abu Lahab who did bad things to the Prophet is cursed for entirety by Allah in the Quran.

I love my sunni brethren...though I do not agree with some of their beliefs. Abu Bakr, Umar, and Uthman do not represent the beliefs of these sunni other than as khalifas to the ummah. They are not equivalent to the position the shia places the Imams (an infallable spritual and social leader assigned by God..not an election).

I would ask some of you to learn a bit more about when and where the daughters that were married to Uthman. I would remind you that most of the acts of rebellion occured after the Prophet's death.

And actually Rasullah did praise Abu Bakr many times of his generosity. Of course, that was before he allowed the charge against the Prophet's family.

[Muslim First]

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HUR wrote;

I love my sunni brethren...though I do not agree with some of their beliefs.

Can you be specific? Which belief?

I believe in Allah and His Prophets and His last prophet.

I pray 5 tiems and pay Zakah

I fast during Ramadah

I have doen Hujj.

I read Quran and try to understand as much as possible.

My acts of ibadah is as close to Prophets as much as I can understand.

Now what else is required?

Wasalaam

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[hur]

Muslim First,
Things like the position of the Imam (in shia) versus a general leader of the mosque or an elected khalifa.

There are many smaller differences...but those exist between all madhabs (maliki, hanafi, jafferi, etc).

[barfi]

Originally posted by Average Bohra:

The Ruler of Dubai ( the government of the UAE) will send an official aircraft for Molana to travel from Bombay to Dubai.

It is my understanding that this plane was sent by a Sheik and not the government of Dubai. These guys had to lie about the Mayor of Houston greeting him at the airport, when it was a deputy peon in charge of Cultural Affairs from the Mayors office. They also paid $5000/plate for a Clinton fundraiser and the only request they made was to ask him to greet the Dai at the Airport the next time he came to the US (which didn't happen i.e. Dai came, Clinton didn't).

Let me correct that....thet didn't pay $5000/plate, the community did. Just as the community buys the meals but the invitation for the Ashura Jamans, and lodging don't give them credit for their money.

....but you know what, the mumins deserve it...it's their money and slavery...not mine...

The plane was from the government of Dubai. Shk. Mohammed who ordered the plane to be sent is the crown prince and defence minister of Dubai.

Also the person who received Aqa Moula (TUS)at the Houston airport was Rev J. Don Boney who was the mayor pro tem. (http://www.ci.houston.tx.us/citysec/2000/20000103.html) Mayor pro tem takes over from the Mayor when the Mayor is out of town.

Also it is completely false that the dawat paid any money to Clinton...let alone $5000 dollars per plate. Where do you guys get this info...Its mind boggling how you make this stuff up sitting in your computer chairs and spread rumors based on hearsay.

[MOHD HUSSAIN]

Mr Barfi; Then can you tell us how much they paid to Clinton? Do you think that it was done free in exchange for Aqa Moula's dua? Wake up & smell the cofee before defending these theives!It is because of Chamchas like you that Kothar can brag about anything they can!

[khan19922001]

Dear Brother Hur

You wrote something about the 2 daughters of the Holy Prophet (PBUH) who were married to Uthman. Do you have any information in this regard. Please let us know as soon as possible.

Regards

[hur]

Dear Khan,
this point has been brought by Qiyam on this website...I've quoted something from what he wrote. This is the general understanding from shiahs.

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Sayid Ali Asghar Rizwi argues in his book "Restatement of Islamic History" that in fact the daughters (Zaynab, Ruqqiyah, Umm Kulthum) were Khadijah's via previous marriage. The proof:

The Prophet was married to Khadija for a period of 23 years (596-619 AD).

Khadijah had children from two previous marriages already.

Zaynab and Ruqqayah were married before the Prophetic mission which started in 611 AD at the age of 40 yrs. Zaynab would have been a max. 12 years old and Ruqqayah a max. 10 yrs and married if concepted during the first and third years of marriage (if they were the Prophet's daughters).

The two were married to pagans of the sons of Abu Lahab, the Prophet's uncle. So the husbands of the two daughter would have been around the Prophet's age or older.

[hur]

It should be noted also that when the ladies accepted Islam...their husbands divorced them.

It would seem odd that birth daughters of the Prophet would "accept" Islam. The Prophet and his immediate family were hanifs and did not believe in the idols but in One God (like Musa's wife). This is how Maulana Ali was also raised. This most likely is the reason the Prophet never accepted the marriage proposals of Abu Bakr, Umar or Uthman for Fatima...while he did accept Ali (though he was poor and the others were rich).

[Muslim First]

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Let us try this one.

HZ. Ali RA married widow of Hz. Abu Bakr (Asma bint Umais). Abu Bakr's son Muhammad lived with Ali. Muhammad bin Abu Bakr was appointed Governor Of Kairo by Ali when he was Khalifah.

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[Muslim First]

It would seem odd that birth daughters of the Prophet would "accept" Islam

It would not be odd if they were born before Prophethood.

Even if it is true, does it make differece to ones Islam?

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[hur]

MuslimFirst,
Khan asked the question in regards to why the Prophet would marry his daughters to pagans and by relations respiting those that curse the daughter's husbands.

I believe they were born before Prophethood...the odd part is if born when Muhammad and Khadijah were married...they would at the max., not min. but max., be 12 and 10...and married to person that were 35 to 40 yrs. old.

To your point regarding Muhammad bin Abi Bakr...note he fought alongside Maulana Ali against Aisha in the Battle of Jamal. It is because Muhammad bin Abi Bakr raise him that he was what he was.

[sinsaf]

Last night I met a couple at Santacruz, Bombay which had just returned from Dubai Tamasha. This couple had gone to Dubai through Faize-Husaini and had paid Rs. 8000 extra for going to Karbala from Dubai but because of bom-explosion at Karbala the trip was postpond but they refused to return Rs. 8000. Again this couple was left at Karachi airport from Dubai and had to wait there for 9 hour before they got connecting plane for Bombay. The information they gave in happenings in Daubai was shocking:
1. 28 Bohra women were caught on camera on charge of stealng and were jailed on 7th of Moharram and were got released by Jamaat members on 11th Moharram.
2. 30 Hotel owners claimed 10 lakhs dinars from Sayedna Saheb for the matresses, bed-sheets and electric gadges stollen by Bohras during their stay in their hotels. Ultimately Sayedna Saheb had to shell out Rs. 8.5 lakhs dinars to settle the dispute.
3. Like this couples many returning Bohras were dropped at places far away from destination.
More information on Dubai Tamasha is awaited.