Article on Saifee Hospital

[Muslim]

http://www.carnegiemellontoday.com/article.asp?Aid=311

[Average Bohra]

As I have said before, great architecture and much needed project. However, I have been unable to find any accurate documentation of its capabilities. The count of medical professionals has jumped from 200 to now 700 (?), and all articles related to this hospital deal with the aesthetic.

in-house water treatment facility that meets World Health Organization standards for potable water.

Should that not be expected of a hospital or do other hospitals in India poison their patients with bad water ?

[tahir]

While the hospital's interior empowers patients and offers the best in modern health care, the exterior is just as impressive

After the initial months, the charges at saifee hospital have suddenly become so prohibitative that except the super rich or super ortho bohras, most of the community members prefer Lilavati or KEM hospitals. Charity has flown out of the window. The hospital's interior empowers only those who are already empowered. For the rest, it remains as another 'achievement' of maula to boast about.

[mature]

you progs are amazing first it was built because of progs then later it was claimed that it was because of pirbhai,then again because of progs,after it was opened by the pm of india and all other big and small dignataries,an article of it being praised by the western respected newspaper you critize again,what do you want?.this hospital has been built by our moula and all this talk of high charges is bullshit,since when have the progs done anything for the community

[mature]

even if the hospital becomes free you will find something to complain about,we bohras say that its probably not your fault its the iblis in you and around you(engine) thats making you like that

[jamanpasand]

Wow great architecture !
It is more appropriate for QuidJohar Palace.
What makes a good hospital is a good user friendly layout, modern equipments,
a team of good doctors and caring support staff.
The project is more for propaganda and less for welfare.

[Muslim First]

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Br. Jamanpasand
AS

You Bohra are lucky that at least you have stae of art modern hospital.

Whatever ultier motive is, please enjoy it in good health.

Wasalaam

[accountability]

The hospital is unique in esthetics, it has almost most modern equipment. its interior is so lighted that it gives a shadow of sun light. 35 million dollars have been spent to build this unique in esthetic, and with best interior lighting, with w.h.o standard portable water. the article about saifee hospital is very revealing. how beautiful, how elegant, what a location, dignitaries, upon dignitaries, layers upon layers of wealthy persons, well to do, ones who had money, were invited for its inaugration. the irony is that, that no dignitary including the prime minister of india inquired about the funds, how were they raised, who were the contributors, if the funds were raised from within the community, then it was not a private project, PM should not have said that private sector has to come forward, private sector means that it was built and operated by enterpeuners, this was not an enterprise, it was a community based project , not one single entity should claim the acclaim. then it was made waqf for all those attended, and only for those who attended. how many hundered of thousands of mumins are there in india. the hospital was built by raising fund from all and sundry. i contributed too, all those poor mumins, who could hardly afford themselves any medicine, was made to pay for its construction. now that it is constructed, will their contribution bring them any fruit, or it will go in vain. no body is asking from where the 35 million dollars were raised, from within a community of less than one million. even if it is evenly divided among each family, will almost amount to 500 dollars per family of six or seven person. 500 dollars will amount to 20000 rupees in india, and 25000 rupees in pakistan. for poors and needy, it is hefty amount. it could have made a difference of life and death for sick and poor. no body raised the question, that why would we need such extravagant piece of architecture. what good would it bring to our sick mumin brother and sisters. instead this huge money could have been spent on small manageable clinics and hospitals throughout india and pakistan, which could bring real healing to sick and needy. where humane doctors could be arranged, i am sure there are lots of doctors, who really want to serve humanity, instead of just becoming an expensive name, i know some of them, standing tall among them was Dr. Sadiq alvi in karachi. whatever, whoever says, i am sure that he will be in heaven. sahir ludhianvi has said for such:
ik shehanshah ne daulat ka sahara le kar
hum gharibon ki mohabbat ka udaya hai mazaq.

this marvelous piece of architecture, this reminence of fatmid heritage is meaningless, if it cannot cater to the needy and sick of our mumin brethern.

[khuzema]

I think one should appriciate the project. Looks like a good building. Very good job.

Go Burhanuddin

Is it REALY very costly? Please just don't blame if you don't know.

$35 Mil. looks like very less money when compared to the look it gives.

Muslim First can you please tell us, if this is a good deal for an investment of $35 mil.?

Thanks

[Muslim First]

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35 m is lot of money in India. One must look at cost Vs benefit and needs. If this hospital will provide high quality care to poor Bohra at free or affordable cost then it is money well spent.

If major portion of hospital care is spent on wellbeing of one single extended family and chamchas then it is useless.

If I had 35 m I would build rural community hospitals with one GP and one lady doctor so Bohra families will get good preliminary care and then subsidies those who need more intensive care in very good private or for profit hospitals cropping up all over India.

Idea of charity in Islam is to help poor and lift them up not to support life style of clergy.

I wish majority of Muslim Umma had authority figure like Bohra community who can set direction and priority. Unfortunately there is no unity therefore there is chaos in except highly structured community like Bohra or Agakhani community.

I know many grass root charitable organizations who are struggling to fund rudimentary need of poor Muslims. 35 m would go long way for them. One can start a good school for $30K or hire lady doctor for Rs 10K/month.

Those who do not like to have their Zakat money used for show piece projects can always opt out and give Zakat directly. Remember there is no compulsion in religion.

Wasalaam
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[Muslim First]

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Unfortunately there is no unity therefore there is chaos in except highly structured community like Bohra or Agakhani community

Should read

Unfortunately there is no unity therefore there is chaos in Muslim Ummah except highly structured community like Bohra or Agakhani community

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[mature]

acoording to progs the bohras have tons of money so where is the question of needy moomineens,plus what have the progs ever done for the needy

[mature]

also what has shaitan got to do with the welfare of moomineen ,you worry about your other shaitan progs and let us worry about our moomineen

[spot]

35 million us dollars is not a lot of money for a new 2 story hospital in the US. a new full service hospital in the us would cost about $80-90 million in an average city. tack on 60-70% if built in a larger city (like new york or chicago). the saifee hospital is about double if not triple is size and breadth. it is also in one of the largest cities in the world with ocean view. believe me, its a bargain.

labor is cheap in india, but bureacy is not. a bridge in mumbai cost four-five times the actual cost of construction just because of this.