UNSLOVED QUESTIONS, DIFFERENCE AND CHANGES IN ISLAM.

[faisala]

Dear brother's i would just like to get somethings cleared since i have been very confused regarding the below mentioned questions as well i have raised this questions many times in our bohra sites and never received an answer, so today i have decided to raise these questions in here to get the clarified and answered.
1. Why do we Bohras combine 5 times prayers into 3 times? since we should follow the teachings of our nabi and hence all the muslims are supposed to pray 5 times in a day at the specified time. It is said that you may combine your prayers only if you are traveling and not make it a practice.
2. Why do we Bohras don't raise our finger of shahdat during our prayers?
3. Why dont we follow the moon for the starting of Ramadan as well as Eid?
4. Who killed Mualan Hussein or in other words how did he exactly die? Is it true that Imam Hussein was killed by shimmer a shia and not by yazeed as said by the sunnis?
5. Do we accept Abu Bakr as a khalifa after our nabi (P.B.U.H)?
6. Why do we do iftar after magrib prayers and not after the azan?

Last but not least can a borha get married to a muslim girl who believes only in the Holy Quran and the teaching of our Nabi.

Dear all kindly pardon me for my typo error if any as well as if some questions have crossed limits, since i have been looking for the answer to my questions and never received an answer. Would really appreciate if anybody could come forward and reply to my questions.

[faisala]

I think no bohra has a reply to all the questions in this post, so whats the fact dont bohras know their religion very well or are we just following the foot steps of our forefathers?

[Muslim First]

Brother
Bohra re;igion is different then Islam of Prophet SAW.

It has gone thru changes from Islam to Shia Islam to Shia Ismaili Islam to Shia Islami Mustali Islam to Shia Ismali Mustali Tayyabi Islam to Shia Ismali Mustali Tayyabi Dawoodi Islam to Shia Ismali Mustali Tayyabi Dawoodi Islam to to Shia Ismali Mustali Tayyabi Dawoodi Taheri Islam to Shia Ismali Mustali Tayyabi Dawoodi Taheri Burhani Islam to Now Shia Ismali Mustali Tayyabi Dawoodi Taheri Burhani Muffadali Islam.

Qur'an or authentic Ahadith does not matter to them. They will use them if it is convient to their agenda. There present Bhagwan is Hussain and Mini Bhagwan is Maulana Burhnuddin (Fill in titles) and mini mini Bhagwan is Muffadal Maula (Fill in titles).

Instead of raising questions please read Qur'an and authentic Ahadit and follow them. Allah is most mercyfull will forgive you for minor mistakes.

Wasalaam

[stranger]

Brother

It has gone thru changes from Islam to Shia Islam to Shia Ismaili Islam to Shia Islami Mustali Islam to Shia Ismali Mustali Tayyabi Islam to Shia Ismali Mustali Tayyabi Dawoodi Islam to Shia Ismali Mustali Tayyabi Dawoodi Islam to to Shia Ismali Mustali Tayyabi Dawoodi Taheri Islam to Shia Ismali Mustali Tayyabi Dawoodi Taheri Burhani Islam to Now Shia Ismali Mustali Tayyabi Dawoodi Taheri Burhani Muffadali Islam.


Wasalaam

Hahahaha. . .Bro MF. . You can be a good Dawoodi Bohra Scholar. .You know everything about us

[Muslim First]

Thanks for complements. Please correct if I made any mistake.

[porus]

Actually, brother Muslim First's knowledge of Bohras is not quite up to scratch. Otherwise he would not write :

It has gone thru changes from Islam to Shia Islam to Shia Ismaili Islam to Shia Islami Mustali Islam to Shia Ismali Mustali Tayyabi Islam to Shia Ismali Mustali Tayyabi Dawoodi Islam to Shia Ismali Mustali Tayyabi Dawoodi Islam to to Shia Ismali Mustali Tayyabi Dawoodi Taheri Islam to Shia Ismali Mustali Tayyabi Dawoodi Taheri Burhani Islam to Now Shia Ismali Mustali Tayyabi Dawoodi Taheri Burhani Muffadali Islam.

Religion of Bohras started being and has always been "Shia Ismaili Mustali/Tayyabi Islam", if you want to put it that way. Other brands of Bohras share this religion.

However, I do agree with him in that innovations continue to occur in their religion which are not always altogether true to historical "Shia Ismali Mustali/Tayyabi Islam."

As far as faisala's questions which opened this thread are concerned, they have all been answered in detail previosly on this board. Judicious use of 'Search' facility on this page will yield all the answers.

[student]

Dear brother's i would just like to get somethings cleared since i have been very confused regarding the below mentioned questions as well i have raised this questions many times in our bohra sites and never received an answer, so today i have decided to raise these questions in here to get the clarified and answered.
1. Why do we Bohras combine 5 times prayers into 3 times? since we should follow the teachings of our nabi and hence all the muslims are supposed to pray 5 times in a day at the specified time. It is said that you may combine your prayers only if you are traveling and not make it a practice.
2. Why do we Bohras don't raise our finger of shahdat during our prayers?
3. Why dont we follow the moon for the starting of Ramadan as well as Eid?
4. Who killed Mualan Hussein or in other words how did he exactly die? Is it true that Imam Hussein was killed by shimmer a shia and not by yazeed as said by the sunnis?
5. Do we accept Abu Bakr as a khalifa after our nabi (P.B.U.H)?
6. Why do we do iftar after magrib prayers and not after the azan?

Last but not least can a borha get married to a muslim girl who believes only in the Holy Quran and the teaching of our Nabi.

Dear all kindly pardon me for my typo error if any as well as if some questions have crossed limits, since i have been looking for the answer to my questions and never received an answer. Would really appreciate if anybody could come forward and reply to my questions.

this is why u are here...any ways get married with her there is no harm in it and islaam allows it.next is, you are responsible for your own mistake

[stranger]

I think no bohra has a reply to all the questions in this post, so whats the fact dont bohras know their religion very well or are we just following the foot steps of our forefathers?

Dear Faisla,
I had seen you post and i thought to reply but could get time now only, out of ramadan and office schedule.
But seeing your attitude in your second post, you probably lacks patience and manners, so you dont deserved to be answered, atleast now.. this is my view.
some question which you have raised have been in many bohra minds and may be they dont questioned but believe in following just what their forefathers did.
and some are those, like you and me who wants answers and Surely, you will get once you really look for it.

Also, they have been discussed on this forums as well. .Go and search in the section Or probably some-one may come in front to help you.

But looking at your this two questions below, whose answers are known to bachcha-bachcha of dawoodi bohra community, probably.

4. Who killed Mualan Hussein or in other words how did he exactly die? Is it true that Imam Hussein was killed by shimmer a shia and not by yazeed as said by the sunnis?
5. Do we accept Abu Bakr as a khalifa after our nabi (P.B.U.H)?

I feel that your respected father and forefathers have never ever taken you to any Bohra Wahaz or Majlis.

[stranger]

Thanks for complements. Please correct if I made any mistake.

Well, It was funny but i can suggest a short, sweet and apt word rather : Dawoodi Bohra Muslims. .That will do.

[anajmi]

Who killed Mualan Hussein or in other words how did he exactly die?

I will be addressing this question shortly on a new thread titled "Miyabhai ki Juti Doctor Saab ke sar pe" where I will argue that Maulana Hussain is not dead as per the Quran and the Dawoodi Bohra practice of Maatam and crying and commemorating the martyrdom of Imam Hussain is illogical.

[Muslim First]

Well, It was funny but i can suggest a short, sweet and apt word rather : Dawoodi Bohra Muslims. .That will do.

In my book it should be plain Muslim, following Qur'an and ahthentic Sunnah.

[stranger]

Bro MF,
Like ur name, I myself believe in being Muslim First. .Then i am a Dawoodi Bohra.
This is not just name, its our root and foundation. .We have got unique Culture, tradition and values from community. .
People have sacrifised their lives and gave their blood in nurturing it.
I feel proud of called myself a Dawoodi bohra but as i said my Religion is Islam only.

[Muslim First]

I myself believe in being Muslim First.

What prevents you from becoming one?

This is not just name, its our root and foundation. .We have got unique Culture, tradition and values from community. .
People have sacrifised their lives and gave their blood in nurturing it.

Well I go to Masjid on Jumma and I see brothers and sisters from 50 differnt roots and cultures. I say they are first Muslims and then Indian, arabs etc. Just take a look at your Jumma, I am sorry you do not have Jumma prayer it is a johr prayer named Jumma. Anyway everybody looks alike and speaks alike. Dont't you think it looks like cult them Muslim brothers and sisters. go to any mainstram masjid, they are open nothing is secrete.
Who enticed Imam Hussain to Karbala and death?

but as i said my Religion is Islam only

Is it really?

[Muslim First]

I will be addressing this question shortly on a new thread titled "Miyabhai ki Juti Doctor Saab ke sar pe" where I will argue that Maulana Hussain is not dead as per the Quran and the Dawoodi Bohra practice of Maatam and crying and commemorating the martyrdom of Imam Hussain is illogical.

HURRY UP Br anajmi

[faisala]

Dear All,

First of thanks for not replying to the exact questions that were on the discussion board which has really embarrassed me to see the replies which weren't related to the questions and which were turned into a debate and pin point discussion. I have normally observed that whenever a question is asked to a Sunni scholar or a Muslim site the scholars have always replied in a proper manner, but when asked on a shia or bohra site there is never a proper answer to a question rather its ignored or replied with an answer that didn't make sense.

Just like one brother/sister (stranger) who has been very informative and pretends to know a lot about Islam but didn't have much of time or a reply to the questions mentioned above. And yes stranger i have visited the majlis and the mosque during muharram as well but the only thing i hear his that imam hussein was killed by their dushmans. For your information as per the sunnis Imam hussein was killed by a Shia names Shimmer who was following the orders of yazeed and he had killed Imam hussein when Imam hussein was called by the shias insisting that they require a Imam to guide them in Islam, where as shias claim that he was killed by his enemies.

I would also like to thank student for an answer which shows how much would he really know about Islam and about his culture and which proves that this kind of people joins these groups not for discussing or solving question but to give a suggestion which don't really make sense, since they aren't very familiar about their own religion. You may keep you suggestions to yourself it may help you in life.

Porus thanks for your information to search for my answers, but if i would have found an answer i wouldn't have raised a discussion with questions in it.

I would appreciate Muslim First for his information which he has shared and yes as you speak about the Jumma prayers i would like to add as you said that you look at the muslim in there for prayers which i do feel the same when i visited the sunni mosque and when visited a bohra mosque it was more of a discussion and gossip mosque rahter a prayer mosque, as for Mr. Stranger decide first are you a muslim or a bohra cause you seem to be very confused and if you find an answer and if its a muslim then learn and investigate about it more cause being a bohra is just following the footsteps of your forefathers and your dai and if you dont then you would be called as a bohra. Note that it is more important to be a muslim and being a bohra or a sunni are just man made creations and not created by our prophets or by Allah. All muslims are one and i feel that we should follow quran and the true teachings of our nabi.

However i am yet looking for a proper answer to my questions and would want a Bohra to reply to my question which i would really appreciate and which we would all liek to discuss about rather argue and point at each other.

As per anajmi i would be waiting for your post as well. Kindly pardon me for any typo errors.

[SBM]

Dear Faisala ( I do not know if you are a Br. Or Sr.)
As far as your questions, I do go the Namaz in Sunni as well as Shia Madhab
Question 1,2 and 6. Jafferia Community also follow the same, In Jafferias they wait almost 20 minutes after Adhan is called to do Iftar where as Bohras do it right after Maghrib Salat.
Shias do combine Duhar/Asr and Maghrib/Isha so do Bohras as they are part of Shia Madhab
As far as a Bohra marrying a Sunni girl, we in our Jamaat have that, the girl does come to Maajlis but does NOT participate in Maatam as far as Namaz is concerned Bohra Namaz is no different than Sunni Namaz till Tashud. I also know of case in Mumbai where Bohra boy married Sunni Girl thru a Qazi since Aaamil refused without her Misaq, he is part of Jamaat, pays Sabil while she does not and they have no problems as such
DISCLAIMER: I am not an scholar but these are my observations which I am putting here

[faisala]

Dear Oma,

I am bohra and well have started visiting the sunni masjid as we see in bohra we do not raise our index finger for shahadat were as in Sunni it is done. Regarding the namaz our nabi didn't combine the namaz neither is it mentioned in Quran or in any hadith. Namaz should be prayed on the specific time as per our Nabi.

I just wanted answer to my question since i have been facing difficulties as well always looking for the answers which i received only from the sunni scholars but never from the shia or bohras.

Thanks for your reply.

[stranger]

Just like one brother/sister (stranger) who has been very informative and pretends to know a lot about Islam but didn't have much of time or a reply to the questions mentioned above. And yes stranger i have visited the majlis and the mosque during muharram as well but the only thing i hear his that imam hussein was killed by their dushmans. For your information as per the sunnis Imam hussein was killed by a Shia names Shimmer who was following the orders of yazeed

Dear Faisala,
I never ever claimed that i know a lot ab islam. You must have been visited but probably u were mentally absent that time. because any bohra on the forum would tell you that what is reciting in our wahaz. Its very clear and said on numerous times that Shimr (cbuh) had martyred Imam Hussain when he was in Sazda.
So, dont tell me that u have never heard his name in our wahaz/majlis. .This is really hard to digest.

Now again, u asked whether We bohra consider Abu Bakr as caliph or not ?
This is also a naive question and The answer is No, we dont. We dont believe in succession of first 3 caliphs. Forget ab the succession we addresses them with sending curses. May allah be curse upon tyrants and oppressors. .and If you dont know it then probably you are more than just ignorant ab ur own belief.

[stranger]

I just wanted answer to my question since i have been facing difficulties as well always looking for the answers which i received only from the sunni scholars but never from the shia or bohras.
Thanks for your reply.

Ok. . Thou I am not sure that I can be able to answer your query fully coz i am not a scholar or perfect person for the same but still let me try :-

Why do we Bohras combine 5 times prayers into 3 times? since we should follow the teachings of our nabi and hence all the muslims are supposed to pray 5 times in a day at the specified time. It is said that you may combine your prayers only if you are traveling and not make it a practice.

Imaam Ja’far as-Saadiq (as) said – For every prayer there are two periods of time during which the prayer may be performed, the beginning and the ending. Now the beginning is the more excellent or recommended, and it is not for any individual to adopt for himself the ending time as the proper time. Yaani Pehla waqat ma namaaz padhvi joiye ane aakhir waqat tak intezaar karvo na joiye. Because the end of the time limit is intended only for the diseased and the infirm or for him who has a valid excuse (This is an answer to one of the question asked that Imaam Husain (as) performed the Namaaz of ‘Asr only – means that it was circumstantial and not a recommendation that ‘Asr should be performed separately). Namaaz at the beginning time gives pleasure to Allaah while Namaaz at the ending time is what Allaah allows concession. Allaah’s forgiveness is possible only when there is a shortcoming.

Imaam Ja’far us-Saadiq (as) said – When the sun declines from the meridian (middle), there arrives the time for the prayers of Zohr and ‘Asr. Nothing prevents the ‘Asr prayer to be said or offered immediately after the Zohr except the Naafelat Namaaz

Imaam Ja’far as-Saadiq (as) once upon a time went with a companion to Mashrabat Umm-e-Ibraheem (a hillock) which he ascended and descended. Then the Imaam (as) inquired, Is this past Midday? The man replied, Yes. So he gave the call to prayer, stood near a date palm, and prayed. He first prayed the prayer of Zawaal (Zohr), which is the sunnat of Zohr. Then he said the Iqaamat and went to another tree and let his companion stand to his right and prayed 4 rakaats of Zohr faraz prayers. Then the Imaam (as) went to a third tree and prayed the naafelat after Zohr. Thereafter he gave the call of Azaan and prayed 4 rakaats of sunnat of ‘Asr, then he said the Iqaamat and prayed the 4 rakaats of faraz of ‘Asr. Between those two prayers there was no interval except for Naafelat and Sunnat.
Imaam Ja’far us-Saadiq (as) said – the last period of time for offering the ‘Asr prayer is when the sun turns Yellow.
Rasoolullaah (saws) said – offer the ‘asr prayer when the sun is still pure and white. He meant thereby to offer the ‘Asr before the sun turns Yellow.

Imaam Ja’far as-Saadiq (as) said – the time for the sunset (maghrib) prayer commences immediately upon the setting of the sun. This means when the disc of the sun disappears on the horizon without the interruption of the human vision by a hill or a wall or the like.

The above riwaayat are extracted from the book Da'aaim ul-Islaam.
Also a point to be born in mind is that the Practice of Rasoolullaah (saws) what we call as Sunnah was much more elaborated and ingrained during the periods of A'immat-e-Taahereen (as). Hence it should not be contended that it is the thing done by Imaams (as) and not Rasoolullaah (saws)! Imaam (as) knows better what Rasoolullaah (saws) meant about his practices than us or any other scholar in the World.

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Let us see the second Ayat: Ayat No. 114 in Sure Hood Allah, the Most Exalteds says:

وَأَقِمِ الصَّلاَةَ طَرَفَيِ النَّهَارِ وَزُلَفًا مِّنَ اللَّيْلِ إِنَّ الْحَسَنَاتِ يُذْهِبْنَ السَّـيِّئَاتِ ذَلِكَ ذِكْرَى لِلذَّاكِرِين

"And keep up prayer in the two sides of the day and in the beginning of the night, surely good deeds take away evil deeds. That is a reminder to the mindful".

In this, Ayat timings of Namaz are given again clearly as Three main times, as follows:

First & Second: The sides of the day; which means morning which is the beginning side of the day, and Afternoon which is the other side of the day, when Zohr and Asr Namaz time starts.

Third: In the beginning of the night; which is the time of Magrib and Isha Namaz.

It is very clear that timing of Namaz in Quran, are three main times for five prayers.

First: From Afternoon unto before sunset: for Namaze Zohr then Namaze Asr.
Second: From Real Sunset when Night starts beings the time for Namaze Maghrib and Namaze Isha.
Third: Morning Namaz.

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Find the below Incidents from Authentic References [ Sunni ] where Prophet (SAW) Prayed combining Prayers :-

Sahih Muslim Book 004, Number 1515
Ibn 'Abbas reported: The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) observed the noon and afternoon prayers together, and the sunset and Isha' prayers together without being in a state of fear or in a state of journey.

Sahih Muslim Book 004, Number 1516:
Ibn 'Abbas reported: The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) observed the noon and afternoon prayers together in Medina without being in a state of fear or in a state of journey. (Abu Zubair said: I asked Sa'id [one of the narrators] why he did that. He said: I asked Ibn 'Abbas as you have asked me, and he replied that he [the Holy Prophet] wanted that no one among his Ummah should be put to [unnecessary] hardship.)

Sahih Muslim Book 004, Number 1518:
Mu'adh reported: We set out with the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) on the Tabuk expedition, and he observed the noon and afternoon prayers together and the sunset and 'Isha' prayers together.

Sahih Muslim Book 004, Number 1522:
Ibn 'Abbas reported that the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) observed in Medina seven (rak'ahs) and eight (rak'ahs). (be combined). the noon and afternoon prayers (eight rak'ahs) and the sunset and 'Isha' prayers (seven rak'ahs).

[stranger]

Why dont we follow the moon for the starting of Ramadan as well as Eid?

We are follwing our hijri calender and Our calender is based on lunar cycle only...the real lunar cycle..for dat we dont have to see the moon every month. And this is going on from ages. And its the only right way, coz due to sm problem in atmosphere we cant see the moon regularly.
Bohras use Hijri Lunar calendar which was established and published during the Faatimid rule in Egypt in the second half of 4th century AH/10th century AD. Before that the Imaam used to announce months and festivals verbally among his followers. The system of calculating months and days began right from the first prophet of Islam, Aadam (as) and that knowledge continued from one prophet to another till the last prophet of Islaam, Mohammad ul-Mustafaa (saws) who came with the final message which also included how to calculate months and days. This thing got transferred from tongue to chest into the holy Faatimi Imaams. Imaam is like a moon, so seeing the glowing (nooraani) face of Imaam and obeying his order for the commencement of a new month is like moon-sighting. The Bohra calendar has fixed number of days of each month based on the Lunar leap year (kabeesah) formula. An Bohra year has 355 days and in every 30 years 11 extra days are added i.e. in the span of 30 years; an extra day is added 11 times in different years in the last month of Zul Hijjah making it 30 days, which has usually 29 days. All odd months have 30 days and all even months have 29 days. Therefore accordingly, the month of Ramazaan being an odd month always consists of 30 days.

When there are 30 days of Zul Hajjat il-Haraam (the last month of Hijri year) instead of its usual 29 days, in a Hijri Year then it is called as a Leap Year (Kabeesah). 1427 years have passed since Rasoolullaah (SAWS) migrated from Makkah to Madeenah. As per the ‘ Uloom and hidaayaat of Maulaana Ali (as) our A'immat-e-Taahereen (AS) have calculated the days of a leap year in such a way that there is not even a difference of a single day till now. There are 11 leap years in a given period of 30 years. Beginning from the time of Hijrat (migration) of Rasoolullaah (SAWS), if we divide 1427 (hijri years passed till now) by 30 (no. of years for the cycle of 11 leap years to get complete) then we get 47 as a quotient i.e. till now the cycle of 30 years have been completed for 47 times. So the year 1427 is the 17 th year of 48 th 30 year cycle.

In every 30 year cycle, the 2nd , 5th , 8th , 10th , 13th , 16th , 19th , 21st , 24th , 27th and 29th year is always a leap year.
Calculating according to above given values, if you want to know whether a year is a leap year or not, you have to divide the given year by 30. If the remainder value coincides with the number of the year above, then it is a leap year.

Example: You want to know whether 1423 was a leap year or not, then divide 1423 by 30. The remainder value is 13 which coincide with the number of year given above, hence 1423 was a leap year. Based on the above calculations, the years till 1500 A.H. which are leap years are given below:

[1401, 1404, 1407, 1409, 1412, 1415, 1418, 1420, 1423, 1426, 1429, 1431, 1434, 1437, 1439, 1442, 1445, 1448, 1450, 1453, 1456, 1459, 1461, 1464, 1467, 1469, 1472, 1475, 1478, 1480, 1483, 1486, 1489, 1491, 1494, 1497, 1499. ]

Astonishingly in every Hijri Year, there is an unbelievable coincidence of days and dates. As given in the table given below: 6th of Moharram ul-Haraam and 1st of Ramzaan ul-Mo'azzam falls on the same day so as 4th of Safar ul-Muzaffar and 1st of Ramzaan ul-Mo'azzam and so on in the other months.

1st of Ramazaan :- - -

6th --- Moharram ul-Haraam
4th --- Safar ul-Muzaffar
3rd --- Rabi ul-Awwal
8th --- Rabi' ul-Aakhar
7th --- Jamaadi ul-Awwal
5th --- Jamaadi ul-Aakhar
4th --- Rajab ul-‘Asab
2nd --- Shabaan ul-Kareem
8th --- Ramzaan ul-Mo'azzam
6th --- Shawwal ul-Mokarram
5th --- Zilqaad al-Haraam
10th --- Zilhajj il-Haraam

For current Hijri Year, That Day is SUNDAY.
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Inshallah will respond to your other question sometime later.

[faisala]

Dear Stranger,

I appreciate your reply and will be looking forward to more replies, but as a face our nabi did pray 5 prayers in 3 times but that wasn't to be considered as a permanent way since it was only done for worshiping Allah . It was always said that pray 5 times a day which is said by our nabi as well. and combining is only used for travelers and normal persons. Would be looking for more replies;

[Muslim First]

Bohras use Hijri Lunar calendar which was established and published during the Faatimid rule in Egypt in the second half of 4th century AH/10th century AD. Before that the Imaam used to announce months and festivals verbally among his followers. The system of calculating months and days began right from the first prophet of Islam, Aadam (as) and that knowledge continued from one prophet to another till the last prophet of Islaam, Mohammad ul-Mustafaa (saws) who came with the final message which also included how to calculate months and days. This thing got transferred from tongue to chest into the holy Faatimi Imaams. Imaam is like a moon, so seeing the glowing (nooraani) face of Imaam and obeying his order for the commencement of a new month is like moon-sighting. The Bohra calendar has fixed number of days of each month based on the Lunar leap year (kabeesah) formula

Br stranger
If calculated month system existed since Adam AS's time and our Prophet also knew about it then why early Muslims including Prophet SAW were craining their neck to sight the Hilal? Or this knowledge went into Satr like Imams and reappeared in the second half of 4th century AH/10th century AD?

Brother you are serving BS to us. We are not abdes that we will fall for this BS.

[Muslim First]

faisala
PRAYERS are discussed many time in this web site

Prayers in Qur’an
http://dawoodi-bohras.com/forum/viewtop ... f=2&t=3125

Here are prayer time farman from Imam Ali RA.

This is from Hazrat Ali in nahjul balagha

Letter 52
A circular about prayers to the governors of all the provinces
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Lead the Zuhr prayer till the shadow of a wall becomes equal to the height of the wall, the Asr prayers can be performed till the sun is still bright and enough time of the day is left for a person to cover a distance of six miles. The Maghrib prayers should be performed when people break their fasts and when Hajj pilgrims return from Arafat. And the time for Isha prayers is when the red glow of the even twilight disappears from the West, till one-third of the night is still left. The morning prayers are to be performed when there appears enough light of the dawn for a man to recognize the face of his companion.

While leading the prayers make them so short that the weakest among you may not feel tired to follow you and his strength and patience may not be over strained.

Hazrat Ali also says
Follow the sunnah of the Prophet for it is the most right of all behaviours.
If Imams instructions are not as per Qur'an/Sunnah and Hz Ali's farman then someting wrong with those Instructions