Wahabi Islam

[jamanpasand]

Wahabi Islam on the world news headlines

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/4823874.stm

It this what quran says ?

[jamanpasand]

Wahabi’s definition

Followers of a zero tolerance towards others whom they feel that does not subscribe to their own brand of faith.

[anajmi]

Actually, treason is punishable by death even in America.

[accountability]

JP

Let's visualize another scenario.

A british court, Accused Cat Stevens aka Yousuf Islam.

Accusation converted from christianity to islam

sentenced to .......

Yousuf Islam is still a british citizen, roaming around freely, appearing on several national networks, preaching his new faith. Accorded VIP status on every occassion.

[accountability]

Anajmi: Does Irtidad occur, if a born muslim changes his faith.

Irtidad is defined as an act of abondoment of faith (Islam) after it was volinturily embraced. In this case the person was a born muslim. He never embraced it volinteerily.

[anajmi]

I would say that if you abandon your faith, whether accepted voluntarily or not, just make sure you don't get caught in an Islamic state created by the Americans.

[Average Bohra]

One cannot compare Sharia "Law" to a secular legal system. Sharia protects muslim insecurities, and guards against basic freedoms and free thinking. This appears to be the best way to keep muslims in compliance with religion. There is little else holding this group together.

[accountability]

I agree. It is their monster. Let's see what happens.

[accountability]

AB, Do you consider yourself a muslim. If so, then your goal should be to coach the right way. Not negate it totally.

[accountability]

This is the delima of muslim world. One, who has taken upon himself to defend whatever is and isn't Islam. The other to oppose it in every way. No logic on both sides.

[Average Bohra]

No, I do not consider myself a muslim.

However, I respect people of all faiths, I simply have a problem with incorporating a legal system around religious beliefs, or judging others based on their beliefs. Some of the most devout people I have met do not wear their religion on their sleeves, or judge others. They are comfortable in their own personal relationship with their God.

Having said that, there is nothing about religion that has anything to do with logic . It is all about faith.....

[tahir]

Anyone who is conditioned in western free society would instinctively denounce religious intolerance. That is actually a very noble idea except that their notion of tolerance doesn't go beyond the sphere of religion. They do not, with the same zeal, denounce the US intolerance towards political and market systems that are different than its own.

US was paranoid towards communism and in a span of few decades, left a trail of destruction before it put the genie back in the bottle and threw it in the sea. Long after the cold war is over, it continues to be intolerant towards political systems which it percieves imperfect and keeps invading 'undemocratic' countries. It is no different than what the muslims did in the medieval era - invade and convert 'unislamic' countries.

US is the political equivalent of wahabi and reserves the right to 'judge' everyone except itself. Western conditioned people with a unidimensional and compartmentalised thought process would, however, find this idea very repellent, without realising how hypocritic and ignorant they are.

That I why I am usually wary of people perched on moral high horses wearing a glow on their face, making statements such as this:

I respect people of all faiths, I simply have a problem with incorporating a legal system around religious beliefs, or judging others based on their beliefs. Some of the most devout people I have met do not wear their religion on their sleeves, or judge others. They are comfortable in their own personal relationship with their God.

One should not wear their political/market ideologies on their sleeves either....

[tahir]

Originally posted by accountability:
This is the delima of muslim world. One, who has taken upon himself to defend whatever is and isn't Islam.

Same is the 'dilemma' with Uncle Sam. Taken upon himself to defend what is and isn't democracy.

YOU ARE EITHER WITH US OR AGAINST US...

[Alislam]

Tahir,

Excellent analysis !!

[Average Bohra]

Tahir,

No need to get your panties in a knot.

There was no political message either expressed or implied in my response.

[Muslim]

Wahabi’s definition

Followers of a zero tolerance towards others whom they feel that does not subscribe to their own brand of faith.

Jamanpasand, after your expletives against Ismailis, doesn’t that definition apply to you more than it does to the Wahhabis you criticise?

One thing Wahhabis and non-Wahhabis are likely to agree on is that the term is widely misunderstood both amongst Muslims as well as non-Muslims.

Wahhabis are the followers of Muhammad bin Abdul Wahhab. In recent times Wahhabis do not like to be described as such. They prefer the term “Muwahhidunâ€

[Muslim]

Another worthwhile read:
http://higher-criticism.blogspot.com/20 ... ab_19.html

[Muslim]

Islam and the Theology of Power
By Khaled Abou El Fadl, UCLA School of Law.
http://www.islamfortoday.com/elfadl01.htm

[anajmi]

Muslim,

Nice analysis. You, however forgot to mention that those who do not like Rani and Ash are also considered to be wahabis.

The majority of Muslims accept that the Prophet, even in death, has the power of intercession.

Actually what is the point in intercession during death? Judgment is not happening today. And according to hadith, the prophet will intercede for all muslims during the day of judgment when intercession will be needed.

[porus]

Tahir does not like Rani, so he is a damned Wahhabi.

A true Wahhabi would not be seen dead with Aish or Rani, but, by God, I know some who secretly lust after them like any hot-blooded Indian or Paki.

Muslim, thanks for the links to some scholarly articles about Wahhabi/Salafi.

[jamanpasand]

Jamanpasand, after your expletives against Ismailis, doesn’t that definition apply to you more than it does to the Wahhabis you criticise?

I think you misunderstood me. I am open to every faith. The only thing which bother me is self bragging and and zero tolerance towards other faith. Ismailis suffer from self bragging while tolerance is the problem for Wahabis.

'Jihoo or jeenay doo' is my religion

[pardesi]

Jamanpasand wrote:
"I am open to every faith. The only thing which bother me is self bragging and and zero tolerance towards other faith. Ismailis suffer from self bragging while tolerance is the problem for Wahabis."

So you are saying you can not tolerate self bragging and ZERO TOLERANCE towards other faiths.

So according to you you are a tolerant person but can not tolerate intolerance