Ithna ashari (twelver) shias r idol worshipor / Moorti Pujak

[badrijanab]

Please note, I am not the author of this article. I am copy-pasting it from reliable source.

Sura An-Nisa [4:51] They believe in idols and false deities and say of those who disbelieve: These are better guided in the path than those who believe.

Dear Community members, to the statue or body parts like hand (alam) made of metal or mud of Hz. Hussain ibn Hz. Ali (a) or Hz. Abbas or Joola, etc - NEVER EVER KISS IT, DO NOT RUB YOUR HAND OVER IT AND DO NOT ASK/DEMAND/PRAY TO IT. They are man made object with NO sprituality. To indulge in above is equal to IDOL worshipping.
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Sura An-Nisa [4:117] They do not call besides Him on anything but idols, and they do not call on anything but a rebellious Shaitan.

> If one kiss/pray to statue of Hz. Hussain / alam or hand of Hz. Abbas or Jhoola with clothes resembling Hz. Ali Asger ibn Hz. Hussain - Quran has categorized above act of Twelver shia (Asna ashri shia) as act of rebellios Shaitan.

>> On the birthday of 12th Imam of Asna ashri shia, they write all their wishes on paper, address it to their 1200 year old Imam and they ask their 12th Imam to grant their wish, then they throw that paper in water. Like 'Alif Laila imaginary stories' they imagine their prayer reached their 12th Imam and he will grant them their wish. It is akin to making their 12th Imam as God.

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Sura Al-Anaam [6:74] And when Ibrahim said to his sire, Azar: Do you take idols for gods? Surely I see you and your people in manifest error.

> Praying/kissing by Asna ashri shia to man made zero sprituality statue / alam / Zuljana horse / jhoola... they all are akin to idols like Nabi Ibrahim statement to Azar.

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Sura Ibrahim [14:35] And when Ibrahim said: My Lord! make this city secure, and save me and my sons from worshipping idols.

> Alhamdolillah, Fatimi Ismailis are safe from horse Zuljana worship, statue worship, etc practiced by idol worshipper Asna ashri (Twelver) shia.

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Sura Ash-Shuara [26:71] They said: We worship idols, so we shall be their votaries.

> Kissing and rubbing hand over shabih / taboot / tazia is akin to idol worshipping by Twelver shia (Asna ashri shia).

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Dear community members, should you go to Imambarah (ido worshipping temple) of Twelver shia (Asna shari shia) make sure you do not kiss or rub hand over alive horse whom they refer as Zul'jana, statue of Hz. Hussain ibn Ali or metalic hand of Hz. Abbas ibn hz. Ali - it is Asna shari bidat and akin to idol worship for which God has sanctioned strict punishment.

Dear Bohra community members, worship only Allah with intercession from Nabi sahab, Hz. Ali, Hz. Fatima, Hz. Hasan and Hussain and all rightful Fatimi aimma - this will please Allah and you/we will receive Allah's best bestows and bountyful rehmat. Inshallah

[anajmi]

Does the idol have to be metal or can it be made of flesh and bones as well? How about a picture (like the pictures of Syedna that bohras kiss), would that also be considered as idol worship?

[Peace]

Not only kiss i also witnessed someone who was asking dua in front of Syedna's picture. Now wht do you say about this?

[badrijanab]

Does the idol have to be metal or can it be made of flesh and bones as well? How about a picture (like the pictures of Syedna that bohras kiss), would that also be considered as idol worship?

Is masle ko samazne ke do pehlu he:
1. Dharam / firqa ke sidhdhant (dogma)
2. Dharam / firqa ke followers ya maanne wale

> Above defined 'Moorti Pooja' karna Ithna ashri sect ka sidhdhant (dogma) he. Uske followers bhi waise hi amal karte he.

>> Fatimi Ismaili kisi bhi Imam ya Dai's ne photo/sketch kuch bhi nahi banvaya, usko apne followers se kiss karvana to bahut dooor ki baat he. Bohra Shia sect ke follower agar Syedina Burhanuddin aur Syedina Taher Saifuddin ki photo ko kiss karte he to iske liye followers aur yeh dono Dai zimmedar he, Bohra sect nahi, kyonki Tasweer ko Bohra sidhdhant (dogma) mutbik na-pasand kiya gaya, Daimul Islam (volume I) me iska zikr bhi he. Sab Bohras tasweer nahi choomte, bahut sare choomte he; magar sab nahi.

Jab hum sidhdhant (DOGMA) ko compare karte he to: original post me Ithnashari shia ke action ko Bohra dogma disapprove karta he.

Ithnashari shia sect including unke 'moorti poojak' followers - yeh sab Quran ki above aayat ke mutabik kasoorwar he, doshi he.

[Peace]

We understand that there are two aspects Mazhab and its Followers.

Everyone knows whts happening in the community then why farmaan is not issued officialy to do not indulge in such practices i.e. kissing picture, dua in front of picture and etc. etc.

Everyone knows its only a matter of farmaan bc majority follow farmaan very strictly.

[badrijanab]

We understand that there are two aspects Mazhab and its Followers.

Everyone knows whts happening in the community then why farmaan is not issued officialy to do not indulge in such practices i.e. kissing picture, dua in front of picture and etc. etc.

Everyone knows its only a matter of farmaan bc majority follow farmaan very strictly.

Mr. / Mrs. Peace,

The object of this thread is to expose the Ithnashari's shia idol-worship practices, kindly be within its premise.

[anajmi]

badrijanab,

So you agree that kissing the picture of Syedna is idol worship correct? According to you only some bohras do it. Have you ever kissed the picture of the Syedna? Have you ever looked at the picture and asked for anything from your Syedna? Have you ever kissed the Syedna's feet? Not a picture but the live on? Did you know that according to the Quran, even humans can be idols?

[Peace]

We understand that there are two aspects Mazhab and its Followers.

Everyone knows whts happening in the community then why farmaan is not issued officialy to do not indulge in such practices i.e. kissing picture, dua in front of picture and etc. etc.

Everyone knows its only a matter of farmaan bc majority follow farmaan very strictly.

Mr. / Mrs. Peace,

The object of this thread is to expose the Ithnashari's shia idol-worship practices, kindly be within its premise.

Dear Mr. Badrijanab,
We should first do accountability of our acts than raising fingers on others.

If you want to reach to the Truth you should have to analyze everything neutrally and in unbiased manner.

Now from your comments, sorry to say, it looks that you are very much biased and that is a very dangerous quality to have.

Please, please, please think/observe/analyze/asses everything open-mindedly and neutrally. Think from every angle (as if you are not bohri, shia, ismaili, sunni, wahabi, only from a perspective of muslim)

May Allah show us Siraat-e-Mustaqeem and increase our level of Imaan. Ameen

[badrijanab]

Please note, I am not the author of this article. I am copy-pasting it from reliable source.

Sura An-Nisa [4:51] They believe in idols and false deities and say of those who disbelieve: These are better guided in the path than those who believe.

Dear Community members, to the statue or body parts like hand (alam) made of metal or mud of Hz. Hussain ibn Hz. Ali (a) or Hz. Abbas or Joola, etc - NEVER EVER KISS IT, DO NOT RUB YOUR HAND OVER IT AND DO NOT ASK/DEMAND/PRAY TO IT. They are man made object with NO sprituality. To indulge in above is equal to IDOL worshipping.
___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

Sura An-Nisa [4:117] They do not call besides Him on anything but idols, and they do not call on anything but a rebellious Shaitan.

> If one kiss/pray to statue of Hz. Hussain / alam or hand of Hz. Abbas or Jhoola with clothes resembling Hz. Ali Asger ibn Hz. Hussain - Quran has categorized above act of Twelver shia (Asna ashri shia) as act of rebellios Shaitan.

>> On the birthday of 12th Imam of Asna ashri shia, they write all their wishes on paper, address it to their 1200 year old Imam and they ask their 12th Imam to grant their wish, then they throw that paper in water. Like 'Alif Laila imaginary stories' they imagine their prayer reached their 12th Imam and he will grant them their wish. It is akin to making their 12th Imam as God.

__________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

Sura Al-Anaam [6:74] And when Ibrahim said to his sire, Azar: Do you take idols for gods? Surely I see you and your people in manifest error.

> Praying/kissing by Asna ashri shia to man made zero sprituality statue / alam / Zuljana horse / jhoola... they all are akin to idols like Nabi Ibrahim statement to Azar.

___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

Sura Ibrahim [14:35] And when Ibrahim said: My Lord! make this city secure, and save me and my sons from worshipping idols.

> Alhamdolillah, Fatimi Ismailis are safe from horse Zuljana worship, statue worship, etc practiced by idol worshipper Asna ashri (Twelver) shia.

___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

Sura Ash-Shuara [26:71] They said: We worship idols, so we shall be their votaries.

> Kissing and rubbing hand over shabih / taboot / tazia is akin to idol worshipping by Twelver shia (Asna ashri shia).

___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

Dear community members, should you go to Imambarah (ido worshipping temple) of Twelver shia (Asna shari shia) make sure you do not kiss or rub hand over alive horse whom they refer as Zul'jana, statue of Hz. Hussain ibn Ali or metalic hand of Hz. Abbas ibn hz. Ali - it is Asna shari bidat and akin to idol worship for which God has sanctioned strict punishment.

Dear Bohra community members, worship only Allah with intercession from Nabi sahab, Hz. Ali, Hz. Fatima, Hz. Hasan and Hussain and all rightful Fatimi aimma - this will please Allah and you/we will receive Allah's best bestows and bountyful rehmat. Inshallah

Ithna Asheri bhaiyo aur behno - your moorti-pooja of panja, alive horse, jhoola, steel hand (alam), statue of Imam Hussain (a.s.), frock, burka/rida, etc are not in compliance with Quran! Think about it.

[ghulam muhammed]

The Shias even draw imaginary photographs of Mola Ali (a.s.) and display it during Alam processions in Iran :-

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[Al Fateh]

why is this guy not banned yet?

what service is he doing for islaam or community other then sectarian clashes?

I request all members to keep badrijanab on ignore or just dont reply him.

[zinger]

why is this guy not banned yet?

what service is he doing for islaam or community other then sectarian clashes?

I request all members to keep badrijanab on ignore or just dont reply him.

Classic case of the pot calling the kettle black (or is it the other way round?)

if he were to be banned, then this forum would be a very lonely place.

we would be left with just Porus here, because as far as i can tell, he seems to be the most neutral amongst all of us

[Al Fateh]

why is this guy not banned yet?

what service is he doing for islaam or community other then sectarian clashes?

I request all members to keep badrijanab on ignore or just dont reply him.

Classic case of the pot calling the kettle black (or is it the other way round?)

if he were to be banned, then this forum would be a very lonely place.

we would be left with just Porus here, because as far as i can tell, he seems to be the most neutral amongst all of us

you havent replied my question yet,

so do you plan to give misaaq this year to your part time dai, who can be correct some times and wrong other times?

[AMAFHH]

We understand that there are two aspects Mazhab and its Followers.

Everyone knows whts happening in the community then why farmaan is not issued officialy to do not indulge in such practices i.e. kissing picture, dua in front of picture and etc. etc.

Everyone knows its only a matter of farmaan bc majority follow farmaan very strictly.

Mr. / Mrs. Peace,

The object of this thread is to expose the Ithnashari's shia idol-worship practices, kindly be within its premise.

Badri Janab
I totally Disagree with you , and i think that majority of Bohra's of this time are doing Pooja same as the Hindu's they are out of the Mainstream Islam , For Ithnashari Kissing the Horse,Alam e.t.c that is only because They Give (NISBAT)of this Things to Imam and then they Kiss it as a part of TABBARRUK , but i have seen almost every Bohra Kissing the Dai's Feet without any Reason This is called IDOL worship

[badrijanab]

Mr. / Mrs. Peace,

The object of this thread is to expose the Ithnashari's shia idol-worship practices, kindly be within its premise.

Badri Janab
I totally Disagree with you , and i think that majority of Bohra's of this time are doing Pooja same as the Hindu's they are out of the Mainstream Islam , For Ithnashari Kissing the Horse,Alam e.t.c that is only because They Give (NISBAT)of this Things to Imam and then they Kiss it as a part of TABBARRUK , but i have seen almost every Bohra Kissing the Dai's Feet without any Reason This is called IDOL worship

By citing unIslamic deeds forced by Kothar over their un-knowledgable Abdes you cannot justify the unIslamic acts of moorti-pooja intentionally committed by Ithna Asheri as the part of their dogma.

What is "Tabbarruk" and how by kissing aluminium "Panja" or "Jhoola" or "Idol of Imam Hussain a.s." or alive horse, (if same horse meet next day of Ashoor Ithna Asheri followers will not even give 5 Rupees 'Chana' to same horse whom they were kissing on the day of Ashoor and looting "Tabbaruk" from that very horse!) 'Nisbat' (what is meaning of 'Nisbat') is given to Imam? No one know's (including your Marja's, Aayatullah's and Ruhulla's) any thing or any whereabout of your so called 12th Imam then from where this news has came that he is alive? And how your kissing alive horse and man-made aluminium Panja/Alam is going to Imam?

[Muslim First]

Badri Naath wrote
No one know's (including your Marja's, Aayatullah's and Ruhulla's) any thing or any whereabout of your so called 12th Imam then from where this news has came that he is alive? And how your kissing alive horse and man-made aluminium Panja/Alam is going to Imam?

Do U know what is your Imam's name and address?
Which addition he is!!!!!!

[badrijanab]

Badri Naath wrote
No one know's (including your Marja's, Aayatullah's and Ruhulla's) any thing or any whereabout of your so called 12th Imam then from where this news has came that he is alive? And how your kissing alive horse and man-made aluminium Panja/Alam is going to Imam?

Do U know what is your Imam's name and address?
Which addition he is!!!!!!

Yes, we do. Our rightful Dai Mutlaq all were in touch with the Imam's (in progeny of Prophet Mohammed s.a.w.w.) of their time and acted per Imam's dictum. In our books name of 23 Imam's are mentioned after the last Zahir Imam Molana Imam Tayyib a.s. So in total we have records of 46 rightful Imam in the progeny of Prophet Mohammed s.a.w.w.

Difference in dogma between Ithna Asheri and Fatimi Dawat on Imam's life:
Ithna Asher: 12th Imam is alive. Though no one have ever seen or met him after his single appearance on the burial of Hasan Askari.
Fatimi Dawat: Imam live their life like all and dies. We all human beings have never saw or read (in non religious literature) if any human had age over 130 years.

[Al Fateh]

so where those rightful dai went off?, how come they are no more in contact with Imam(s)?

who is currenctly in contact with IMAM(s)?

[badrijanab]

so where those rightful dai went off?, how come they are no more in contact with Imam(s)?

who is currenctly in contact with IMAM(s)?

Rightful Dai's chain ended on 46th Dai Syyedna Molana Mohammed Bafruddin a.q. like Prophets chain ended on Mohammed saww

Imam missionaries are in contact with Imam but not common mumineen; same situation like this happened during era of Imam Abdullah, Imam Ahmed and Imam Hussain al Mastoor a.s. these three Imam's were in concealment like the present Imam and mumineen of those time were not having address of the then Imam like mumineen of our present time.

[ghulam muhammed]

Imam missionaries are in contact with Imam but not common mumineen; same situation like this happened during era of Imam Abdullah, Imam Ahmed and Imam Hussain al Mastoor a.s. these three Imam's were in concealment like the present Imam and mumineen of those time were not having address of the then Imam like mumineen of our present time.

The 3 Imams went into concealment probably due to fear of persecution or fear of some autocratic rulers but in the present times there is no such thing and one can voice his/her opinion freely without any fear of their life. So why doesn't he come out openly and spread his message ??

[Al-Muizz]

News to me! I've done sabaq, and I've yet to see this so called list! Dude you are full of shit! Please stop your bullshit!

Do U know what is your Imam's name and address?
Which addition he is!!!!!!

Yes, we do. Our rightful Dai Mutlaq all were in touch with the Imam's (in progeny of Prophet Mohammed s.a.w.w.) of their time and acted per Imam's dictum. In our books name of 23 Imam's are mentioned after the last Zahir Imam Molana Imam Tayyib a.s. So in total we have records of 46 rightful Imam in the progeny of Prophet Mohammed s.a.w.w.

Difference in dogma between Ithna Asheri and Fatimi Dawat on Imam's life:
Ithna Asher: 12th Imam is alive. Though no one have ever seen or met him after his single appearance on the burial of Hasan Askari.
Fatimi Dawat: Imam live their life like all and dies. We all human beings have never saw or read (in non religious literature) if any human had age over 130 years.

[Muslim First]

by Al-Muizz on Fri Oct 04, 2013 8:15 pm
News to me! I've done sabaq, and I've yet to see this so called list! Dude you are full of shit! Please stop your bullshit!

Badri Naath Bhai
Show him that you are not full of shit.

List all 46 imams.

[badrijanab]

Al Muizz,

Your Sabak's are not Islamic (Fatimi) sabak's they are brainwashing session to force fabricated lies by Kothar into un-knowledgable mumineen like you.

Instead of outrightly rejecting my post above just because you have not heard it in your 'Sabak' does not negate the fact I presented. Instead you should have asked me with LEARNING SPIRIT that to whom (authority) am I referring to quote contention I made.

Kothar teaches in sabak = tell bad words to others! You are product of what Kothar teaches you in Sabak. And as you are spitting bad-words, it speaks about what Kothar teaches.

The 19th Dai Mutlaq Syyedna Idrees Imadudeen a.q. in his 'Sanad' and other writers wrote name of 21 Imam's after Imam Tayyeb a.s. And same was reproduce by Muqasir sahib Syyed Khan Ji Pheer in his book.

In my post above I made typo of 23, the correct figure is 21, so in total we have name records of 42 Imam's.

[Al Fateh]

so where those rightful dai went off?, how come they are no more in contact with Imam(s)?

who is currenctly in contact with IMAM(s)?

Rightful Dai's chain ended on 46th Dai Syyedna Molana Mohammed Bafruddin a.q. like Prophets chain ended on Mohammed saww

Imam missionaries are in contact with Imam but not common mumineen; same situation like this happened during era of Imam Abdullah, Imam Ahmed and Imam Hussain al Mastoor a.s. these three Imam's were in concealment like the present Imam and mumineen of those time were not having address of the then Imam like mumineen of our present time.

what an idiot, you cannot compare ending of prophet chain with ending of Imam or dai chain.

because the whole concept of imam or dai was to keep some body present to guide.

end of prophet chain is mentioned in Quraan, this is why Imamain where appointed, and yet Imam chain isnt broken by your very faith, and dai was appointed to keep some body on Imam post.

so if dai chain is also ended who is else to guide?

use your brain before typing any more bull shiit.

[Al Fateh]

Al Muizz,

Your Sabak's are not Islamic (Fatimi) sabak's they are brainwashing session to force fabricated lies by Kothar into un-knowledgable mumineen like you.

Instead of outrightly rejecting my post above just because you have not heard it in your 'Sabak' does not negate the fact I presented. Instead you should have asked me with LEARNING SPIRIT that to whom (authority) am I referring to quote contention I made.

Kothar teaches in sabak = tell bad words to others! You are product of what Kothar teaches you in Sabak. And as you are spitting bad-words, it speaks about what Kothar teaches.

The 19th Dai Mutlaq Syyedna Idrees Imadudeen a.q. in his 'Sanad' and other writers wrote name of 21 Imam's after Imam Tayyeb a.s. And same was reproduce by Muqasir sahib Syyed Khan Ji Pheer in his book.

In my post above I made typo of 23, the correct figure is 21, so in total we have name records of 42 Imam's.

this is the same thing you do when u abuse sunnis and shia brothers dont you?

it seems you are brain washed as well or may be you just dont have brain.