Why you will love Islam

[Muslim First]

Why you will love Islam

http://www.islamicity.com/m/news_frame. ... ceID=69710

[badrijanab]

Leadership in Islam = Mohammed s.a.w.w. to Ameer al Momineen Mola Ali a.s. to Imam Hussain a.s. to Imam Ali Zainul Abideen a.s. ... to Imam Ismail a.s. to Mohammed Shakir a.s. to ... Imam Tayyeb a.s. till all Imams father after son in progeny of Molatina Fatima a.s. bint Prophet Mohammed s.a.w.w. to Imam Mahdi / Imam Quaim a.z.s.

[anajmi]

Actually, according to the non-fictional history of Islam, after the prophet (saw), the first khalifa of Islam was Hazrat Abu Bakr, the second khalifa was Hazrat Umar, the 3rd khalifa was Hazrat Uthman and the 4th khalifa was Hazrat Ali. The rest were just rulers, some good and some bad like Yazid and the present day Syedna. And some Imams who ran into hiding!!

[badrijanab]

Actually, according to the non-fictional history of Islam, after the prophet (saw), the first khalifa of Islam was Hazrat Abu Bakr, the second khalifa was Hazrat Umar, the 3rd khalifa was Hazrat Uthman and the 4th khalifa was Hazrat Ali. The rest were just rulers, some good and some bad like Yazid and the present day Syedna. And some Imams who ran into hiding!!

Bring proof of Mohammed s.a.w.w. appointing your 1/2/3 as authority of Islam after him?

[anajmi]

As I have said before, the prophet Mohammad (saw) didn't appoint anyone. But, if you read the non-fictional books of history written by any historian including Shia, Sunni, Fatimi, Abbasi, Kababi, Nihari, Bhikhari or Pujari, you will find that after the prophet (saw), the first khalifa of Islam was Hazrat Abu Bakr, the second khalifa was Hazrat Umar, the 3rd khalifa was Hazrat Uthman and the 4th khalifa was Hazrat Ali. The rest were just rulers, some good and some bad like Yazid and the present day Syedna. And some Imams who ran into hiding!!

[ghulam muhammed]

Bring proof of Mohammed s.a.w.w. appointing your 1/2/3 as authority of Islam after him?

“If you’ve got the facts thump the facts. If you’ve got the law thump the
law and if you haven’t got the facts or the law, thump the table”.

--Anonymous

[ghulam muhammed]

Bring proof of Mohammed s.a.w.w. appointing your 1/2/3 as authority of Islam after him?

What is written on the wall
Is there for all to see.
Some heed it and some do not
In a light hearted spree.

Some laugh it off with comments
Abusive and furtive.
They choose to ignore what is
Correct and assertive.

Truth cannot be subverted
By making fun of it.
No use burying the head
In sand like an ostrich.

In the end only the call
Of wisdom does prevail.
The ignorant vainly choose
To simply cry and wail.

[Muslim First]

Brs GM and anajmi

I do not think it will sink in Br BJ's Khopdi.

[badrijanab]

if you read the non-fictional books of history written by any historian including Shia, Sunni, Fatimi, Abbasi, Kababi, Nihari, Bhikhari or Pujari, you will find that after the prophet (saw), the first khalifa of Islam was Hazrat Abu Bakr, the second khalifa was Hazrat Umar, the 3rd khalifa was Hazrat Uthman!!

Right, they were Khalifa of material world/sultanate but NOT THE KHALIFA OF ISLAM.

For being Khalifa of Islam, the then existing authority of Islam (Mohammed s.a.w.w.) should have appointed your 1/2/3 but Prophet s.a.w.w. didn't do that.

However, Prophet s.a.w.w. did appointed Ameer al Mumineen Ali a.s. as "Mola" (master) of all those for whom Prophet s.a.w.w. himself is "Mola".

So, Mola Ali a.s. holds CATEGORICAL declaration by Prophet s.a.w.w. But, 1/2/3 do NOT have any such authoritative declaration appointing them as Khalifa of Islam by Prophet s.a.w.w.

As they are "Abde Idiot" you all are "Sunni/Sufi/Wahabi Idiots". Kothar fool them to rule over them, your 1/2/3, Banu Umaiya, Abbasi fool you to rule over you.

[ghulam muhammed]

As they are "Abde Idiot" you all are "Sunni/Sufi/Wahabi Idiots". Kothar fool them to rule over them, your 1/2/3, Banu Umaiya, Abbasi fool you to rule over you.

You are the "Raja of Idiots", as you have been fooled by Ahmed Ali Raj who rules over you.

[anajmi]

For being Khalifa of Islam, the then existing authority of Islam (Mohammed s.a.w.w.) should have appointed your 1/2/3 but Prophet s.a.w.w. didn't do that.

However, Prophet s.a.w.w. did appointed Ameer al Mumineen Ali a.s. as "Mola" (master) of all those for whom Prophet s.a.w.w. himself is "Mola".

This is precisely the reason why I put emphasis on "non-fictional" history of Islam!!

[badrijanab]

For being Khalifa of Islam, the then existing authority of Islam (Mohammed s.a.w.w.) should have appointed your 1/2/3 but Prophet s.a.w.w. didn't do that.

However, Prophet s.a.w.w. did appointed Ameer al Mumineen Ali a.s. as "Mola" (master) of all those for whom Prophet s.a.w.w. himself is "Mola".

This is precisely the reason why I put emphasis on "non-fictional" history of Islam!!

Prove from "non-fictional" history of Islam - if Prophet Mohammed s.a.w.w. appointed your 1/2/3 as authorized Khalifa of Islam after him? As you cannot prove, so you and alike are "Sunni/Wahabi/Sufi Idiot" like they are "Abde Idiot". There is no difference between you and Abdes, between your leaders and their leaders.

[anajmi]

According to the non-fictional history of Islam, the prophet (saw) didn't appoint anybody as his successor. So, I won't be providing any proof as no proof exists in the non-fictional history of Islam. Whoever says they have proof of appointment, are referring to the fictional history of Islam. According to the non-fictional history of Islam, the first khalifa of Islam was Hazrat Abu Bakr, the second khalifa was Hazrat Umar, the 3rd khalifa was Hazrat Uthman and Hazrat Uthman was succeeded by Hazrat Ali as the fourth khalifa of Islam. If the first 3 khalifas were the khalifas of the material world, then by succeeding Hazrat Uthman to become the fourth khalifa, Hazrat Ali did the same thing. He became the fourth khalifa of the material world. So in the non-fictional history of Islam, Hazrat Ali was a successor of Hazrat Uthman. In the fictional history of Islam, you can make your corrupt and lalchi Syednas and hidden Imams as idols with knowledge of Oxford and Webster and successors of the prophet (saw)!!

[badrijanab]

According to the non-fictional history of Islam, the first khalifa of Islam was Hazrat Abu Bakr, the second khalifa was Hazrat Umar, the 3rd khalifa was Hazrat Uthman and Hazrat Uthman was succeeded by Hazrat Ali as the fourth khalifa of Islam. If the first 3 khalifas were the khalifas of the material world, then by succeeding Hazrat Uthman to become the fourth khalifa, Hazrat Ali did the same thing. He became the fourth khalifa of the material world. So in the non-fictional history of Islam, Hazrat Ali was a successor of Hazrat Uthman.

In reference to CALIPHATE only, you are correct. all four are like any other kings/monarchs.

Thank you for acknowledging that your 1/2/3 are NOT appointed as khalifa of Islam by Prophet Mohammed s.a.w.w., 1/2/3 are only Khalifa (of sultanate) but not Khaifa of Islam.

(1) Khalifa of sultanate and (2) Khalifa of Islam are two different positions. 1/2/3 were former but not later.

[ghulam muhammed]

Bro anajmi,

Its high time you realise that Badrijanab/Mubarak/Doctor is a broken record whose pin is stuck "Ta-Qayamat".

[anajmi]

(1) Khalifa of sultanate and (2) Khalifa of Islam are two different positions. 1/2/3 were former but not later.

Let me correct you. As you pointed out earlier, 1/2/3/4 were all khalifa of sultanate. Infact Hazrat Hussain considered himself to be the rightful heir of this khilafat of sultanate and died for this khilafat of sultanate!!

[Muslim First]

from
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=8087&start=30
The origins of the Arab empire lie in the first Islamic state established in Medina under the leadership of the prophet Mohammed (this historical narrative has been criticized as being too quick to accept the various histories generated a century or more later in the Umayyad and Abbasid empires; skeptics claim that the early origins of the Umayyad empire and its dominant religion may be very different from what its own mythmakers later claimed. But this is a minority view and is not a concern of this article). The succession to the prophet became a matter of some controversy (primarily on the issue of Ali’s claim to the caliphate) and tensions between prominent companions of the Prophet eventually spilled over into open warfare (the first civil war). This civil war had not yet been finally settled when Ali was assassinated and Muavia, the Umayyad governor of Syria, managed to consolidate his rule over most of the nascent Arab empire. Ali’s elder son Hassan eventually renounced his claim and settled terms with Muavia, leading to a period of relative peace. But when Muavia died and his son Yazid took over in the Umayyad capital of Damascus, there was a challenge from Ali’s younger son Hussain.

Hz Hassan was Khalifa no 5 of Sultanet. He renounced his Khalifat and retired on pension. Non of them franchise from Prophet or Allah SWT.

BTW every firqua of Islam claims to be true Muslims. Some example
Ithna Ashari claim to be true Muslims
Aga Khani Ismailis claim to be true Muslims
Dawoodi, Alvi, Roshan baag, Badrijanab firka etc etc claim to be true Muslims
Ahmedi, barlevi, devbandi, salafi, Wahabi etc etc claim to be true Muslims

True Muslims are who understand and follow Quran and Sunna of prophet to best of their ability.
Minimum is sincere prayers 5 times a day, fasting in Ramadan, Zakat and Hujj if you can afford.

[Bohra spring]

Bj ...Abu bakr did never claim he was appointed by the Prophet

After Muhammad's death, previously dormant tensions between the Meccan immigrants, the Muhajirun, and the Medinan converts, the Ansar, threatened to break out and split the Ummah. Other Arabic tribes also wished to revert to local leadership and split from Medina's control. In some places, people claiming prophethood started to establish leaderships to oppose Medina, e.g. Al-Aswad Al-Ansi and Musaylimah. All of which are events that led to splitting the Muslim community.[54] The Ansar, the leaders of the tribes of Medina, met in a hall or house called saqifah, to discuss whom they would support as their new leader. When Abu Bakr was informed of the meeting, he, Umar, Abu Ubaidah ibn al-Jarrah and a few others rushed to prevent the Ansar from making a premature decision. Accounts of this meeting vary greatly. All agree that during the meeting Umar declared that Abu Bakr should be the new leader, and declared his allegiance to Abu Bakr, followed by Abu Ubaidah ibn al-Jarrah, and thus Abu Bakr became the first Muslim caliph, who was given the title, Khalifa-tul-Rasool (Successor of messenger of Allah), a title only accepted by Sunni Muslims. Shias criticise Abu Bakr for forsaking the funeral of Muhammad to attend the political gathering, and believe that Muhammad had already appointed Ali in his lifetime as his successor. This view portrays Abu Bakr and Umar as plotters in a political coup against the Alids. The Ismaili Shia Institute researcher Wilfred Madelung[55] portrays Abu Bakr as a political opportunist whose character as the founder of Sunni Islam has been extensively embellished by subsequent kings and emperors (caliphs) making it difficult to openly criticise him. Some sects of Islam like Shia strongly believe that Abu Bakr deceived Ali, keeping Ali from his right as khilafat since he was true successor to Muhammad.[56]
Sunnis on the other hand believe that all the Muslims in Madina gave their allegiance to Abu Bakr, including Ali. All Sunnis acknowledged Abu Bakr as the rightful successor to Muhammad. On account of him being one of the earliest of companions, and on account of his aiding and supporting Muhammad in his mission from the very early days of Islam, from his deep knowledge and piety from having spent so many years with Muhammad, and on account of so many indications that Muhammad gave that Abu Bakr is the right successor. Examples of these include Muhammad specifically designating Abu Bakr to lead the Muslims in prayer in his last days when he was too ill to lead the prayer. Muhammad also appointed to Abu Bakr to lead the pilgrimage to Makka. There was also a time when a woman came to Muhammad with a question and he asked her to come back tomorrow, she then asked "What if I do not find you", and he then said "Go to Abu Bakr". According to Sunnis all of these show the virtue of Abu Bakr and his being the rightful successor.[citation needed]

[shapur]

Please spend 5 minutes watching this video titled" Which group is correct ?" and give your comments.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCB32MOj ... ata_player

[ghulam muhammed]

" Which group is correct ?"

ONLY the ones who respect and revere Prophet's relatives, companions and family are correct, the ones who question Prophet's WISDOM are not only non-muslim but worse then kafirs as they have negated the very Kalima of Islam !!

[shapur]

In a somewhat belated response to the members' constant squabbling on the issue of the prophet's succession, I wish to say that its important and wise to take a large and a long view of things and put them in the proper perspective for maximum comprehension. The whole idea of religion is to believe in the Creator who has created the universe and all the creatures within, and to acknowledge, glorify and worship Him for the sheer awe and magnitude of His creation. This acknowledgement and worship of Him pleases Him and He in return will reward us with a befitting life in this world and in the time to come after the end of this world and creation. Of course, its not as simple as this and comprehension of the full facts and philosophy behind this is beyond the realm and capacity of the created human mind. Because just as the human body has physical limitations of endurance so also the human mind has limits of understanding.

Now having created the universe and the creatures, the Creator communicated the purpose and aims of the life given to the humans through messengers who he chose from among the humans in the different phases of Time. He declares in the Holy Quran ( sura 10, ayat 47) :- "To every people We sent a messenger. When their messenger comes(before them) the matter will be judged between them with justice and they will not be wronged".And again in Sura 16 ayat 36:- " For we assuredly sent amongst every people a messenger( with the command) Serve Allah and eschew evil....." Then in Sura 21 from ayats 51 to 91 there is a narration on all these messengers which culminates with this very profound ayat 92:- "Verily this Ummah of yours is a SINGLE UMMAH and I am your lord and cherisher: therefore serve Me( and no other). And ayat 93 :- But the later generations cut off their affair( of unity) one from another.(yet) will they all return to us. And in sura 6 ayat 159 He declares :-" As for those who divide their religion and break up into sects, thou hast no part in them in the least: their affair is with Allah: He will in the end tell them the truth of all that they did".
Hence the first and foremost duty is to accept, acknowledge and view this as the only ultimate truth of God the creator and the view the rest of the history in a proper perspective giving it the quantum of importance it deserves.

[Muslim First]

" Which group is correct ?"

ONLY the ones who respect and revere Prophet's relatives, companions and family are correct, the ones who question Prophet's WISDOM are not only non-muslim but worse then kafirs as they have negated the very Kalima of Islam !!

Br GM
What is your definition of 'revere'?
Who should we include in this pool of Rasul's relatives, worthy of revering? Did Quran or Sunna compiles us to rever relatives?
Are any authentic relatives alive today?

[ghulam muhammed]

Br GM

What is your definition of 'revere'?

Revere Meaning and Definition
1.(v. t.) To regard with reverence, or profound respect and affection, mingled with awe or fear; to venerate; to reverence; to honor in estimation.

http://thinkexist.com/dictionary/meaning/revere/

[Muslim First]

" Which group is correct ?"

ONLY the ones who respect and revere Prophet's relatives, companions and family are correct, the ones who question Prophet's WISDOM are not only non-muslim but worse then kafirs as they have negated the very Kalima of Islam !!

Whic group is correct

In Shahi Bukhari there are 49 Ahadith on 'Belief' see
http://www.hadithcollection.com/sahihbu ... elief.html

None of that include that you revere Ahl e Bait
Most prominent hadith is

Narated By Ibn 'Umar : Allah's Apostle said: "I have been ordered (by Allah) to fight against the people until they testify that none has the right to be worshiped but Allah and that Muhammad is Allah's Apostle,
and offer the prayers perfectly
and give the obligatory charity,
so if they perform a that, then they save their lives an property from me except for Islamic laws and then their reckoning (accounts) will be done by Allah."

So my view is that those who pray as perfect as possible, give charity and fast are correct.

Some form of 'Reverence' has some meaning which could lead to Shirk

Here is meaning and dehfination of reverence.
1: honor or respect felt or shown : deference; especially : profound adoring awed respect
2: a gesture of respect (as a bow)
3: the state of being revered
4: one held in reverence —used as a title for a clergyman

1. a feeling or attitude of profound respect, usually reserved for the sacred or divine; devoted veneration
2. an outward manifestation of this feeling, esp a bow or act of obeisance
3. the state of being revered or commanding profound respect
saving your reverence Archaic a form of apology for using an obscene or taboo expression

From
http://www.islamhelpline.net/node/1201

As far as the noble ahly-bayt are concerned, it is a duty of every muslim to love these noble souls. Most of the early descendants of the Prophet (saws) were the most respected and revered scholars of their times... and the Ummah of Islam are unanimous in the respect for these noble scholars. But we must realize here that the Messenger of Allah (saws) was not sent to establish a dynasty or a kingdom for his family on this earth. The Messenger of Allah (saws) was appointed by Allah as a mercy to mankind, to show them the Straight Path of Islam. And this is evident from the clear aayahs of the Holy Quran. Nowhere does the Quran mention that one particular family or group of people have been appointed to lead mankind. The criteria which is laid down in the Quran is Piety or God-consciousness. Whoever is the most pious and the most God-conscious, is the most honorable in the sight of Allah.

Allah says in the Holy Quran Chapter 49 Surah Hujuraat verse 13: Indeed, the most honorable among you in the sight of Allah is he who is the most pious of you. Surely, Allah is All Knowing, All Wise.

But we must realize here that the Messenger of Allah (saws) was not sent to establish a dynasty or a kingdom for his family on this earth. They have made their graves their shrines of worship! They invoke them for all their needs! They celebrate their birthdays and mourn the day of their death! They recount their lives in fiery speeches and allocate and fabricate all kinds of false things and divine miracles to their names, without any authority from the Holy Quran! They have appointed some of them as their 'intercessors' with Allah on the Day of Judgement, without any authority from Allah. They have done exactly what the Christians did to the noble Prophet of Allah, Jesus ibn Mariam (a.s.). They have declared that the only way to gain the Pleasure and Mercy of Allah is to love these noble personalities, and have thus broken off from the mainstream muslims, who claim that the way to Allah's Mercy is to follow the Quran and the Sunnah of the Messenger of Allah (saws).

[Aymelek]

Nowhere does the Quran mention that one particular family or group of people have been appointed to lead mankind.

Quran 2:124
"And (remember) when his Lord tried Abraham with (His) commands, and he fulfilled them, He said: Lo! I have appointed thee a leader for mankind. (Abraham) said: And of my offspring (will there be leaders) ? He said: My covenant includeth not wrong-doers. "

They have appointed some of them as their 'intercessors' with Allah on the Day of Judgement, without any authority from Allah.

Quran 2:255
"Who is he that intercedeth with Him save by His leave ?"

Quran 10:3
"There is no intercessor (with Him) save after His permission. "

Quran 20:109
"On that day no intercession availeth save (that of) him unto whom the Beneficent hath given leave and whose word He accepteth."

Quran 21:28
"He knoweth what is before them and what is behind them, and they cannot intercede except for him whom He accepteth, and they quake for awe of Him"

Quran 19:87
"They will have no power of intercession, save him who hath made a covenant with his Lord."

Quran 34:23
"No intercession availeth with Him save for him whom He permitteth."

They have declared that the only way to gain the Pleasure and Mercy of Allah is to love these noble personalities,

It is one of the way to gain pleasure and mercy of Allah....

Quran 42:23
"That is of which Allah gives the good news to His servants, (to) those who believe and do good deeds. Say: I do not ask of you any reward for it but love for my near relatives; and whoever earns good, We give him more of good therein; surely Allah is Forgiving, Grateful."

[Muslim First]

"Aymelek" wrote

Nowhere does the Quran mention that one particular family or group of people have been appointed to lead mankind.

Quran 2:124
"And (remember) when his Lord tried Abraham with (His) commands, and he fulfilled them, He said: Lo! I have appointed thee a leader for mankind. (Abraham) said: And of my offspring (will there be leaders) ? He said: My covenant includeth not wrong-doers. "

This Aya is about Abraham and his offsprings. Where in Quran it says about Muhammad?

They have appointed some of them as their 'intercessors' with Allah on the Day of Judgement, without any authority from Allah.

Quran 2:255
"Who is he that intercedeth with Him save by His leave ?"

Quran 10:3
"There is no intercessor (with Him) save after His permission. "

Quran 20:109
"On that day no intercession availeth save (that of) him unto whom the Beneficent hath given leave and whose word He accepteth."

Quran 21:28
"He knoweth what is before them and what is behind them, and they cannot intercede except for him whom He accepteth, and they quake for awe of Him"

Quran 19:87
"They will have no power of intercession, save him who hath made a covenant with his Lord."

Quran 34:23
"No intercession availeth with Him save for him whom He permitteth."

there is Hadith about prophet interceding for his Ummah and that is also if Allah permits. There is nothing in Quran about Ahl e bait. Do you think Aga Khan will intercede for Aga Khanis? Maulana MB will intercede for DBs? They better worry about their own fate

They have declared that the only way to gain the Pleasure and Mercy of Allah is to love these noble personalities,

It is one of the way to gain pleasure and mercy of Allah....

Quran 42:23
"That is of which Allah gives the good news to His servants, (to) those who believe and do good deeds. Say: I do not ask of you any reward for it but love for my near relatives; and whoever earns good, We give him more of good therein; surely Allah is Forgiving, Grateful."[/quote]

if it is not mentioned in Quran or Ahadith why run pillar to post seeking pleasure of this so called dead saints? Allah is as close to you as your Jugular vain and he asks us to seek his pleasure. prophet says seek Allah's pleasure.

[Aymelek]

This Aya is about Abraham and his offsprings. Where in Quran it says about Muhammad?

Your so-called scholarly article stated that Quran does not appoint or has not appointed anyone to lead mankind. This is negated by the Quranic verses 2:124. Further, Prophet Muhammad, Ali, Hasan & Hussain are all from the progeny of Prophet Ibrahim through Prophet Ismail. They are all righteous people and hence they are all covered by covenant of Allah.

there is Hadith about prophet interceding for his Ummah and that is also if Allah permits. There is nothing in Quran about Ahl e bait. Do you think Aga Khan will intercede for Aga Khanis? Maulana MB will intercede for DBs? They better worry about their own fate.

Your so-called scholarly article stated some people have selected some as intercessors with Allah. The quoted verses makes it clear that intercession will take place with the permission of Allah. One of the titles of the Prophet is ‘shaafi’, one who performs intercession. Praying to God for a particular need, using some honourable personality, such as the Prophet and other righteous believers, as a wasila or intermediary, without supplicating to that person, or thinking that he has the power to provide is permitted by Shias and sufis. They believe that others can also act as intermediaries such as prophets, martyrs, pious people whom God deems fit.

if it is not mentioned in Quran or Ahadith why run pillar to post seeking pleasure of this so called dead saints? Allah is as close to you as your Jugular vain and he asks us to seek his pleasure. prophet says seek Allah's pleasure.

Loving the ones whom Prophet loved and who are in high station of Allah is one of the ways of seeking Allahs pleasure. The Quranic verse 42:23, is interpreted as such. Further there are many traditions and hadiths from Prophet Muhammad which shows the importance of loving Ahlul Bayt and reward for the same. I dont want to fill cyberspace of this forum with all those references.

[genesis]

Nowhere does the Quran mention that one particular family or group of people have been appointed to lead mankind.

Quran 2:124
"And (remember) when his Lord tried Abraham with (His) commands, and he fulfilled them, He said: Lo! I have appointed thee a leader for mankind. (Abraham) said: And of my offspring (will there be leaders) ? He said: My covenant includeth not wrong-doers. "

They have appointed some of them as their 'intercessors' with Allah on the Day of Judgement, without any authority from Allah.

Quran 2:255
"Who is he that intercedeth with Him save by His leave ?"

Quran 10:3
"There is no intercessor (with Him) save after His permission. "

Quran 20:109
"On that day no intercession availeth save (that of) him unto whom the Beneficent hath given leave and whose word He accepteth."

Quran 21:28
"He knoweth what is before them and what is behind them, and they cannot intercede except for him whom He accepteth, and they quake for awe of Him"

Quran 19:87
"They will have no power of intercession, save him who hath made a covenant with his Lord."

Quran 34:23
"No intercession availeth with Him save for him whom He permitteth."

They have declared that the only way to gain the Pleasure and Mercy of Allah is to love these noble personalities,

It is one of the way to gain pleasure and mercy of Allah....

Quran 42:23
"That is of which Allah gives the good news to His servants, (to) those who believe and do good deeds. Say: I do not ask of you any reward for it but love for my near relatives; and whoever earns good, We give him more of good therein; surely Allah is Forgiving, Grateful."

Bhai MuslimFirst, its indeed right to be a Muslim First, to believe in God and worship Him as has been said in one of the posts above, but at the same time we have to give importance to events and personalities where it is due - without impeding of course the larger vision of the message - for our Iman to be complete. Bhai Aymelek has very succesfully countered your above two very weak claims with respect to the importance given in Quran to the messengers' families and also with respect to the intercession of entities whom Allah has permitted. Both are sufficiently stressed in the Holy quran in multiple passages.
Your denial of this, and the fact that the passages are there, negates your claims and proves that you are on a weak footing. Well done, bhai Aymelek.

[anajmi]

intercession of entities whom Allah has permitted.

Does the Quran tell you which entities these are? It does not. So you have made an assumption as to who these entities are and what happens if they are not given the permission to intercede? Then you are screwed.

2:124 has been clearly misinterpreted by brother Aymelek. He obviously has never read the verse, only its skewed interpretation by corrupt leaders.

Here is what 2:124 says.

2:124 And when his Sustainer tried Abraham by commandments and the latter fulfilled them, He said: "Behold, I shall make thee a leader of men. "Abraham asked: "And [wilt Thou make leaders] of my offspring as well? "[God] answered: "My covenant does not embrace the evildoers."

Where in this verse does Allah say that his appointee will always be present on earth to lead mankind? That is an unimaginable leap of imagination.

The quoted verses makes it clear that intercession will take place with the permission of Allah.

Another misinterpretation. The most emphatic ayahs of the Quran begin with a negation. For eg. Allah says "There is no god but Allah". This is how we repeat the kalima day in and day out. We do not say "Allah is the only God". Similarly all verses related to intercession begin with a negation. "There is no intercession, except with the permission of Allah". To turn that around and say that "intercession will take place with the permission of Allah" is a gross misrepresentation.

I have made this point on this board many times before. Allah says in the Quran that the prophet (saw) was sent as a mercy to all mankind. It is believed across the muslim ummah (shia and sunni included) that the prophet (saw) will try to intercede on our behalf on the day of judgment. Which means, we won't need anyone else to intercede on our behalf. Because if the intercession of the prophet (saw), who Allah says is a mercy to all mankind, is not accepted, then what makes you think that the intercession of someone lesser will be accepted?

[Muslim First]

I am reposting the essay
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THE ESSAY- On praying to anybody except Allah SWT
by Muslim First on Mon Nov 03, 2008 5:54 pm


From Shaikh ------- to Mr. -----

May Allah grant you success in everything good, and may Peace, Mercy and Blessings of Allah be upon you.

I am in receipt of your letter regarding certain worship at specified times of the day or night practiced privately by Muslims of your country. These are prayers to which Allah SWT has not granted any power; among these prayers are those that have been introduced as innovations and those that are polytheistic; they attribute such prayers to the commander of the Faithful, Ali ibn Talib and to others. They recite these prayers in congregations of ‘Zikr’ (remembrance of Allah) or in the Mosque after the ‘Magrib’ (sunset) prayers in the beliefs that such prayers will take them nearer to Allah. During these prayers, they utter such phrases as, ‘O men of Allah, Help us with the help of Allah and be of succor to us.’ They also say, ‘O you leader of Authority, O you Masters, please respond to our prayers, O you who possess al help; please intercede with Allah on behalf of this slave who is pleading to you at your door, seized by the fear of failings; help us O prophet of Allah; I do not have anyone else to whom I can plead; it is you thru whom our wishes can be fulfilled; you are best of people of Allah like Hamza, the leader of all martyrs; no one other then you can help us; O prophet of Allah, come to our help. They also say, O Allah bless the one you have made as means for revealing your mighty secrets and your divine light; he became true vicegerent and inheritor your Truth.

You had also desired to know in your letter regarding ‘Bid’ah’ (Innovation) and polytheism. You had wanted to know whether it would be correct to pray behind the Imam who makes such invocations.

In this connection, I would like to state the following: -

Praise to Allah alone and peace and blessing are upon the Prophet of Allah, the members of his family and his companions and on all those who shall until Day of Judgment; proceed on right path shown by Him.

Verily, Allah SWT, the Almighty created mankind and sent the Messengers SA in order that he alone is worshipped. Allah states in Holy Qur’an:

“I have only created jinns and men that they may serve Me.” [51:56]

To worship means to obey the Almighty Allah and the Prophet SAW by carrying out what Allah and His Prophet have ordered us to do by abstaining from what they have forbidden us to do. We carry out these actions with faith, humility and sincere devotion to Allah and His Prophet SAW. The Holy Qur’an states:

“Thy Lord hath decreed that ye worship none but Him” [17:23]

In other words, He has ordained that He alone be worshipped. Allah says in Holy Qur’an:

“Praise be to Allah, the Cherisher and Sustainer of the Worlds; Most Gracious Most Merciful; Master of the Day of Judgment; Thee do we worship and Thine aid we seek.” [1:2-5]

These verses make it amply clear that Allah alone is to be worshipped and His help alone is to be sought. Allah also says:

“So serve Allah offering Him sincere devotion. Is it not to Allah that sincere devotion is due?” [39:2-3]

And

“Call ye then upon Allah with sincere devotion to Him even though the Unbelievers may detest it.” [40: 14]

And

"And the places of worship are for Allah (alone): so invoke not anyone along with Allah.” [72:18]

There are several verses in Holy Qur’an in this context pointing out the necessity and duty to worship Allah alone. Invocation, as you all know, is, in all its forms, a manner of worship; it is therefore not permissible for anybody to invoke anyone and to neither seek the help of anyone nor plead assistance from anyone except Allah, as stated in above verses. However, in matters pertaining the daily routine of life and in connection with material things on which every human being has control, a person may seek help of another person; this is not worship; a person may for example, one may ask help from his colleague either directly or by correspondence to the building of his house or repairing his car. In this context, Allah SWT says while narrating the story of the Prophet Moses S.A.,

“Now the man of his own religion appealed to him against his foe,” [28:15]

The help and aid that a man seeks from his fellow human beings at times of Jihad and conflict is like the above said help. But seeking help and aid from the dead, the Jinns, the Angels, the trees and the Stone is an act of major polytheism; it is similar to practices of polytheists of early ages with their gods such as Al-Uzza and Al-Latt, etc. Similarly, it is an act of polytheism to believe that certain human beings enjoy or possess Certain super natural powers which belong only to Allah SWT. It is believed that such people can help in curing the sick and attaining the paradise and salvation from hell.

The verses quoted above and the saying of the Prophet emphasizes the need to guide all people to the path of Allah in all matters and to be sincere in worshipping Allah and only Allah in all matters and to be sincere in worshipping Allah and Allah only because all human beings have been created for that purpose and had been thus ordained as mentioned in the versed quoted above, Allah SWT also Says:

“Serve Allah, and join not any partners with him.” [4:36]

And

“And they have been commanded no more than this: to worship Allah offering Him sincere devotion being True (in faith),--“ [98:5]

And Prophet SAW has said as narrated by Muaadh:
“It is Allah’s right over the worshippers that they worship only him and do not associate anyone with him”

And Prophet SAW has said in another tradition narrated by Masud and recorded by Imam Bukhari:

“Whoever dies while invoking someone as rival to Allah will be doomed to hell”

When Prophet SAW sent the companion Muaadh to Yemen, he said to him, “You shall be meeting people who profess faith in revealed Book; therefore, your plea to them should be to profess the Statement of faith: “THERE IS NO GOD EXCEPT ALLAH AND THAT I (Muhammad) AM THE MESSENGER OF ALLAH;” In the narration of Imam Bukhari it is mentioned as [/I] “Plead to them to until they accept oneness of Allah.”

It is narrated in the collections of Traditions (Hdith) compiled by Imam Muslim that according to a saying by Tarek Ibn Ashyam Al-Ashjayi that Prophet SAW said:

“Whoever accepts oneness of Allah and disbelieves whatever is worshipped other then Allah enjoys the protection from Allah in his wealth, blood and his reward is with Allah”

There are numerous traditions on this subject.

The faith in oneness of Allah is the sum and substance of the religion of Islam; it is the basic principle and most important of all the duties. And it is for this purpose that the human beings and the Jinns were created. It was for same object that the Messengers of Allah SWT were sent. We had earlier quoted several verses from holy Qur’an affirming this fact. Among such verses are:

“I have only created jinns and men that they may serve Me. (Q-51: 56)

and

“For we assuredly sent amongst every People an apostle, (with the Command), Serve Allah, and eschew Evil" (Q 16:36)

and

“Not an apostle did We send before thee without this inspiration sent by Us to him that there is no god but I; therefore worship and serve Me." (Q21: 25)

Referring to Prophets Noah, Hud, Saleh and Sooib PBU All of them Allah SWT says that these prophets advised their peoples:

"O my people! Worship Allah! ye have no other god but Him.” [7:59]

These were the message of all the Prophets. All those who oppose the Prophets have themselves confessed that the Prophets commanded them to worship Allah only and to give up the worship of all other gods. The Holy Qur’an says in this context, referring to the story of Aad that they told Prophet Hud SAW.

“They said: "Comest thou to us that we may worship Allah alone and give up the cult of our fathers? Bring us what thou threatenest us with if so be that thou tellest the truth!" [7:70]

And Allah SWT says about the people of the tribe of Quraish when our prophet Muhammad SAWS, to worship Allah only, called them upon, to give up worshipping the Angels, the friends (read here; saints and walis) and guides (read here; Dais and Mullahs) , idols and trees etc.;

"Has he made the gods (all) into one Allah? Truly this is a wonderful thing!” [38:5]

And

“For they, when they were told that there is no god except Allah, would puff themselves up with pride, and say: "What! Shall we give up our gods for the sake of a Poet possessed?" [37:35-36]

There are many verses in Holy Qur’an and Sayings of the Holy prophet SAWS which expounds this concept. May Allah grant us success to us all in understanding our religion and educating ourselves regarding the true path of Allah.

All the invocations and different expressions seeking help and succor are various forms of polytheism because they are addressed as worship to other then Allah; and they seek to achieve things thru the dead and the departed whereas Allah alone can achieve things.

Such invocations are worse form of polytheism when compared to polytheism of the early ages because the people of early ages indulged in polytheism only when they enjoined material comfort, peace and luxury, But at times of crises and hardship they worshipped Allah alone because they knew that Allah alone can bring salvation to them from their hardship, The holy Qur’an refers to those polytheists and says;

“Now if they embark on a boat they call on Allah making their devotion sincerely (and exclusively) to Him; but when He had delivered them safely to (dry) land Behold they give a share (of their worship to others)!” [29:65]

And Allah says in another verse;

“When distress seizes you at sea those that ye call upon -besides Himself- leave you in the lurch! But when He brings you back safe to land, ye turn away (from Him). Most ungrateful is man!” [17:67]

If the later day polytheists were to say, “We do not mean that those whose help we seek can by themselves benefit us and cure the sick among us or be of use to us or hurt us; we only mean to seek their intercession with Allah for us, the answer to such an observation should be as follows:

Verily, the unbelievers of the early periods also had the same purpose and desire; they too did not believe that their gods create or give livelihood or do good or harm.

Such a statement will negate what Allah has mentioned about them in the Holy Qur’an. Those unbelievers also claimed that they only sought, through such worship, the intercession and good offices of those whom they worshipped so that they make take them nearer to Allah. Allah says in the Holy Qur’an: in the context of the story of the Prophet Yunus A.S.:

“They serve besides Allah things that hurt them not nor profit them and they say: ‘These are our intercessors with Allah.’ Say: ‘Do ye indeed inform Allah of something He knows not in the heavens or on earth?’ Glory to Him! And far is He above the partners they ascribe (to Him)!” [10:18]

Thus Allah states in unmistakable words that he has no knowledge of any intercessor from the heavens or from the earth as claimed by the unbelievers. So, the existence of anything not known to Allah does not in fact exist because nothing is hidden from his knowledge. Allah says in the Holy Qur’an:

“The revelation of this Book is from Allah, The Exalted in Power, Full of Wisdom.
Verily, it is We who have revealed the Book to thee in Truth; so serve Allah offering Him sincere devotion. Is it not to Allah that sincere devotion is due? - -“ [39:1-3]

It evident from these verses that Allah alone is to be worshipped and such worship should be in all sincerity because Allah has commanded the Prophet SAWS to be sincere in worship. The above quoted verse; the word “Ad-Deen” meaning religion in Arabic has been interpreted as worship; worship means obedience to Allah and His Prophet SAWS as stated earlier; it includes invocations, seeking help, fear, hope, vows and sacrifices besides prayers and fasting and other duties ordained by Allah and His prophet SAWS. Later on, Allah says in the Holy Qur’an:

“But those who take for protectors other than Allah (say): "We only serve them in order that they may bring us nearer to Allah." Truly Allah will judge between them in that wherein they differ. But Allah guides not such as are false and ungrateful.” [39:3]

Thus the falsehood of their claim that their gods take them nearer to Allah has been exposed and the worship they perform has been described as blasphemy . It should therefore be clear to any person who has minimum of intelligence that the source of blasphemy and polytheism in earlier ages was because Prophets, friends and advisors besides trees and stones and other creations were considered intercessors between worshippers and Allah and they believed that such intercessors achieve for them their hopes and aspirations, needs and ambitions without the permission nor consent of Allah the Almighty. It was considered to be like the recommendation of the ministers to the kings and they (such worshippers) presumed Allah SWT to be equal to kings and leaders therefore, they uttered words which one may utter when making petition to a king or a leader. This is worst form of falsehood because Allah SWT has none similar to Him and He cannot be compared with His own creations; no one intercedes with Him without his permission; intercession is granted only to believers in the Oneness of Allah; Allah is Omnipotent and Omniscient and he is Most Merciful; He does not fear anyone and neither can frighten Him since He has power over all His servants and He alone disposes their affairs as He wills. On the contrary, kings and leaders cannot have power over anything and they don not have knowledge about everything. So they need to have people to assist them in matters, which they are unable to achieve or implement. Hence, an entourage of ministers, advisers and bodyguards, etc always surrounds them. They also need to be informed about those who are in want; this is yet another reason for being surrounded by ministers and advisers. But Allah SWT is above all such needs and all such assistance. He is more merciful to them then their mothers; and He is just ruler who as per His Supreme Knowledge, Wisdom and Ability assigns to its proper place; it is therefore not proper to compare Him with His own creations. It is for this reason that Allah SWT has stated in Qur’an that He is the Creator and the Sustainer; it He who responds to call of one who is in distress and exposes the evil; gives life and takes it away; and does so many other actions, The dispute between the polytheists and the Messenger of the Allah is in fact about sincerity in worshipping Allah Alone. The Holy Qur’an says:

If thou ask them who created them they will certainly say Allah: how then are they deluded away (from the Truth)? [43:87]

And

Say: "Who is it that sustains you (in life) from the sky and from the earth? Or who is it that has power over hearing and sight? And who is it that brings out the living from the dead and the dead from the living? And who is it that rules and regulates all affairs?" They will soon say "Allah." Say, "Will ye not then show piety (to Him)?" [10:31]

There are several verses in his context in the Holy Qur’an. We had earlier referred to the verses that point out that, the dispute between the Messenger of Allah and the nations was regarding sincerity in worshipping Allah alone. we may quote another verse:

For We assuredly sent amongst every People an apostle (with the Command) "Serve Allah and eschew Evil" [16:36]

Regarding intercession, Allah SWT has mentioned in several places in Holy Qur’an the real meaning of intercession. We may for example quote:

Who is there can intercede in His presence except as He permitteth? [2:255]

Allah will not accept from His worshippers blasphemy, heathenism; He will accept only gratitude expressed by the belief in oneness of Allah and obedience to Him. It is stated in the Holy Quran:

It ye reject (Allah) truly Allah has no need of you; but He liketh not ingratitude from His servants: if ye are grateful He is pleased with you. [39:7]

It is narrated in the Collections of Traditions (Hadith) compiled by Imam Bukhari that Abu Hurayra said that when he asked the Prophet SAW, “Who shall be most happy people with your intercession, O Prophet of Allah?” The Prophet said, “He who says that there is no god except Allah, and says so with all the sincerity of his heart (or of his self).” [/I]

It is narrated on the authority of Anas R.A. that the Prophet SAW said, “Every Prophet has a plea responded to; and every Prophet hastened to make his plea while I withheld mine, so I may intercede for my Ummah (nation) on the Day of Judgment; and by the will of Allah my intercession will include all my Ummah who have departed from this world without setting up partners to Allah in worship.”

There are several verses in the Holy Qur’an and several Traditions of the Prophet which emphasize the fact that worship is a right preserved for Allah alone and it is not permissible to perform any worship to anyone other then Allah, whether they may be Prophets or any other person. They also emphasize the fact that intercession is with Allah, the Almighty Alone as said in Qur’an:

“ Say: "To Allah belongs exclusively (the right to grant) Intercession: “ [39:44]

No one shall deserve intercession except by His permission. And He, the Almighty, will permit for intercession to person who only believes in Oneness or Allah as stated earlier. Therefore, the polytheists will not be granted intercession. The Holy Qur’an says:

“Then will no intercession of (any) intercessors profit them.” [74:48]

“No intimate friend nor intercessors will the wrongdoers have who could be listened to.” [40:18]

The expression “wrong-doers” in these verses is interpreted as the polytheists; this is stated in another verses:

“Those who reject faith they are the wrong-doers.” [2:254]

“For false worship is indeed the highest wrong-doing." [31:13]

With regards to your question concerning some of Sufis (Mystics) who utter in Mosques and some other places phrases such as “O Lord, grant peace and blessings on the one whom you have ordained to be instrumental in unfolding of your mighty secrets and in opening the doors of to sublime lights of Your Mercy and who has thus become your vicegerent and who has inherited your secrets ----etc.” The answer to this question is as follows:

All such utterances are nothing but pedantry and empty talk against which our Prophet SAW has warned us. It is narrated in the collection of Traditions (Hadith) by Imam Muslim on the authority of Abdulla Ibn Masud that the Prophet SAW said: “The Pedants shall be doomed to destruction.” (The Prophet repeated this remark three times). Imam Al-Khattab RA has defined a pedant as one who delves into problems and issues which are beyond his intellectual abilities, as was indulged by the scholastic theologians.

Abus-Sadaat ibnul Athis has said that the pedants are those who show extravagance in their speech and try to speak loudly. The Arabic word for this expression “Mutanatti” “is derived from Nat’ “ meaning forepart of the palate. Later, the word was used for every extravagant either in speech or action.

Any person, eve with limited intelligence, will understand from the above that such utterances referred to, in praise of our Prophet SAW is for of affection and pedantry forbidden in our religion. The correct approach for a Muslim in this context should be to learn the Traditional method of praying on the Prophet SAW. Imam Bukhari and Imam Muslim have narrated in their collection on the authority of Kabb RA that the Companions of the Prophet SAW said to the Prophet “O Prophet of Allah, we have been ordained to pray on you; how shall we pray on you?” The Prophet Said, “Say, O Lord, bless Muhammad and the family of the Muhammad as you blessed Ibrahim and the family of Ibrahim; verily thou art Praiseworthy and Glorious; and O Lord; grant your benedictions to Muhammad and the family of Muhammad as you granted to Ibrahim and the family of the Ibrahim; verily thou art Praiseworthy and Glorious.”

It is also narrated in the collections of Imam Bukhari and Imam Muslim on the authority of Abi Masud Al-Ansari RA that Basheer Ibn-Sa’ad said: “O Prophet of Allah, Allah has ordered us to pray on you; so how shall we pray on you?” The Prophet remained silent for few moments and then said: “Say, O Lord, bless Muhammad and the family of the Muhammad as you blessed Ibrahim and the family of Ibrahim; verily thou art Praiseworthy and Glorious.” This is the prayer taught to you.”

All such utterances that are authentically attributed to the Prophet SAW should be only utterances used by a Muslim whenever he seeks to pray for the prophet and ask Allah’s benediction for him. A Muslim should abide only by these authentic words because the Prophet SAW knows best regarding words that are to be used for him and he also knows best regarding the words that are to used for His Lord. All innovated and affected words and phrases besides the words which are loaded with the possibility of incorrect connotations such as words mentioned in your query; such words should not be used because they are affected forms of speech because they can be interpreted with false meanings and also for the reason they are different from the words selected by the Prophet of Allah SAW. He has instructed his Ummah (nation) and he is best informed among all human beings and most righteous; he is the least inclined to affections. May the best of peace and blessings of our Lord on him. I hope the discussion I have in these pages, supported by the adequate proofs, shall suffice in explaining the truth of the doctrine of the Oneness of Allah and exposing polytheism besides explaining the difference between the polytheist of the early ages and those of the later ages in this regard.

A person who seeks to know truth should be convinced by the explanation given regarding the permissible form of prayer on the Prophet SAW. But if a person has no desire to know the truth, he can indulge in his own fanciful thoughts. Allah has referred to them in the Holy Quran and said:

“But if they hearken not to thee know that they only follow their own lusts: and who is more astray than one who follows his own lusts devoid of guidance from Allah? For Allah guides not people given to wrongdoing.” [28:50]

In the above verse Allah SWT has classified the people in two groups with regard to their attitude to our Prophet Muhammad SAW and his mission; one group responds to Allah and His messenger whereas the other group follows its own lusts and Allah says that those who follow their lusts are deprived of all guidance from Him.
We pray Allah SWT that we may be safe from becoming the followers of lusts and may Allah make you and all of us among those who always abide by the path of Allah and His Messenger SAW and by those who enlighten us about His Divine Law (Sharia) and caution us against the fanciful opinions. Peace and Blessings be on His slave and Messenger, Our Prophet Muhammad and on his Family, his companions and his followers until the Day of Judgment.p