In 1400 yr. none can prove even single error by Mola Ali

[badrijanab]

Fourteen hundred years have passed and still none could prove even if one error or mistake committed by Ameer al Mumineen Mola Ali a.s.!!!

Status above is the testimony that Mola Ali a.s. is flawless (masoom).

History of all sects including history of followers of etc, etc & etc is filled with tons of cases of mistakes and faults committed by etc, etc and etc.

It also proves Ameer al Mumineen Mola Ali (alay hiss alam) is superior than etc, etc & etc.


The argument given by 'etc' was as Quresh is closer to Prophet Mohammed s.a.w.w. than any other tribes so the caliphate should be retained by Quresh. Should "closeness" be the caliph qualifying criterion then Prophet Mohammed s.a.w.w. first paternal cousin, husband of his only surviving daughter and father of his only grandson: Mola Ali a.s. was the closest to Prophet Mohammed s.a.w.w. besides being ONLY ASHAB to receive "parwarish" by Prophet Mohammed s.a.w.w, and Prophet Mohammed s.a.w.w. dead body getting bath and burial by the hand of Mola Ali a.s (Source of last rivayat is Aaisha d/o Abu Bakr). Hence proved, Mola Ali a.s. is the closest to Prophet Mohammed s.a.w.w. than etc, etc & etc who have committed tons of errors and mistakes per historians who follow them.

Quran challenge: Prove error i.e. bring any verse comparable/similar to verse of Quran?
Bolta Quran = Mola Ali: Prove error?

Fourteen hundred years have passed, both challenges above from silent quran and bolta quran have tested the test of time and are still standing tall and un-chalengable. Subhan Allah.

[Aftaab]

only ALLAH is flawless, and if Imam ALI was present today he would like to burn you alive for your blasphemy, the way he did to Ibn Saba.
A group came to Ameer Al-Mu’mineen and they said: “Assalaamu `Alayka (Peace be upon you),O our Lord (rabbanaa)!So he asked for their repentance, but they did not repent.So he dug a ditch for them and lit a fire in it and dug a ditch to its other side and conveyed between them. So when they did not repent he threw them in the ditch and lit in the other ditch until they died.

Source:

1. Al-Kulayni, Al-Kaafi, vol. 7, pg. 258-259, hadeeth # 18

[anajmi]

Actually, my great great grand father who was born 1400 years ago was also infallible. Bring one ayah of the Quran or hadith which says that he is not flawless. For 1400 years no one has come forward with even one ayah saying that he is not.

He was bolta Quran because he was always bolting Quran. Prove me wrong. This was the greatness of my great grand daddy. Subhan Allah. Prove me wrong you nitwit.

[badrijanab]

Actually, my great great grand father who was born 1400 years ago was also infallible. Bring one ayah of the Quran or hadith which says that he is not flawless. For 1400 years no one has come forward with even one ayah saying that he is not.

He was bolta Quran because he was always bolting Quran. Prove me wrong. This was the greatness of my great grand daddy. Subhan Allah. Prove me wrong you nitwit.

Prove yourself right you nitwit.

[Aftaab]

Actually, my great great grand father who was born 1400 years ago was also infallible. Bring one ayah of the Quran or hadith which says that he is not flawless. For 1400 years no one has come forward with even one ayah saying that he is not.

He was bolta Quran because he was always bolting Quran. Prove me wrong. This was the greatness of my great grand daddy. Subhan Allah. Prove me wrong you nitwit.

Prove yourself right you nitwit.

prove him wrong.

[Aftaab]

no one has pinch of doubt that Imam Ali was great in courage and knowledge, but idiots like Badri brings more questions and unwanted arguments on these subjects.

[anajmi]

1400 years have passed and no one has proven that my great great grand daddy was wrong. No one can find one mistake that he made. Prove error? He was bolta quran = my great great grand pa. Prove Error?

This is something that is unchallengeable. Subhan Allah. I am from the line of great infallibles. Prove me wrong you nitwit.

[Muslim First]

Bunder

Could you define

Bolta Quran

And

Silent Qur'n

[Muslim First]

Janab Bunder

Even There are instances where Prophet has erred in worldly matter. He was infallable in religious matter because he spoke which was commanded to do so.

Hz Ali was a human being and he was fallible.

Why this panchent to make him infallible?

[Aftaab]

I would request Anajmi and Muslim first to leave badri sahab alone.

in my opinion he is paid Jewish agent, and he deliberately brings such topics to make fight between Muslims and insult religious personalities.

[badrijanab]

Janab Bunder

Speaking gaali's and bad words are the hallmark of the community to which Mr. Muslim First belongs.

Even There are instances where Prophet has erred in worldly matter. He was infallable in religious matter because he spoke which was commanded to do so.

1. Which verse of Quran says Prophet can err in worldly matters? No.
2. Does any hadith from your sihah-sitta explicitly and categorically says that Prophet can err in worldly matter? No.
3. It is your personal inference that Prophet can err based on some hadith quoted by Bukhari or Muslim, isn't it? How to prove that that referred hadith by you are not forgery but true hadith? Bukhari and Muslim are not privileged like Prophet to not to commit any error in matter of religion, isn't it? So duo can error in reporting fabricated hadith. Now which of all hadith reported by them is true and which one are fabricated?!!! Oh! now every hadith will be tagged with doubt if it is true or fabricated because you can't speak with surety about authenticity!

Hz Ali was a human being and he was fallible.

Prove? 1400 years have passed no one could prove if Ameer al Mumineen Mola Ali a.s. has ever done any error.

[badrijanab]

1400 years have passed and no one has proven that my great great grand daddy was wrong. No one can find one mistake that he made. Prove error? He was bolta quran = my great great grand pa. Prove Error?

This is something that is unchallengeable. Subhan Allah. I am from the line of great infallibles. Prove me wrong you nitwit.

Lets all assume to agree to your contention above.

Nitwit Anajmi, by your post you have proven that etc, etc & etc who have committed tons of errors and faults are even inferior than your flawless forefather above!!!

[badrijanab]

Janab Bunder

Speaking gaali's and bad words are the hallmark of the community to which Mr. Muslim First belongs.

Even There are instances where Prophet has erred in worldly matter. He was infallable in religious matter because he spoke which was commanded to do so.

1. Which verse of Quran says Prophet can err in worldly matters? No.
2. Does any hadith from your sihah-sitta explicitly and categorically says that Prophet can err in worldly matter? No.
3. It is your personal inference that Prophet can err based on some hadith quoted by Bukhari or Muslim, isn't it? How to prove that that referred hadith by you are not forgery but true hadith? Bukhari and Muslim are not privileged like Prophet to not to commit any error in matter of religion, isn't it? So duo can error in reporting fabricated hadith. Now which of all hadith reported by them is true and which one are fabricated?!!! Oh! now every hadith will be tagged with doubt if it is true or fabricated because you can't speak with surety about authenticity!

Hz Ali was a human being and he was fallible.

Prove? 1400 years have passed no one could prove if Ameer al Mumineen Mola Ali a.s. has ever done any error.

Brother Muslim First and alike, still you all are unable to answer above. And still unable to provide single authentic tradition proving error committed by Ameer al Momineen Mola Ali a.s.

2nd use to correctly say: "Ali na hote to 2nd halaak ho jata."

[badrijanab]

1400 years have passed and no one has proven that my great great grand daddy was wrong. No one can find one mistake that he made. Prove error? He was bolta quran = my great great grand pa. Prove Error?

This is something that is unchallengeable. Subhan Allah. I am from the line of great infallibles. Prove me wrong you nitwit.

Lets all assume to agree to your contention above.

Nitwit Anajmi, by your post you have proven that etc, etc & etc who have committed tons of errors and faults are even inferior than your flawless forefather above!!!

Kya haal he bhai Anajmi?

[anajmi]

Ekdam first class.

My flawless grand daddy told me that etc, etc & etc were even more flawless and even more bolta quran. Prove error?

And since you have agreed that my grand daddy is flawless then he is infallible and cannot be wrong. Prove error?

[Muslim First]

Mola Ali a.s. was the closest to Prophet Mohammed s.a.w.w. besides being ONLY ASHAB to receive "parwarish" by Prophet

Wrong
Hz Abbas, Prophet SAW's uncle was also raised in Prophet's household.

[Muslim First]

2. Does any hadith from your sihah-sitta explicitly and categorically says that Prophet can err in worldly matter? No.

Have you read Hadith of Prophet showing how to plant palm date saplings?
They did not take root
Prophet admitted that he was not agriculturist. Know it all in Dinyaii matters.

He was infallible only in religious matters.
One conveyed to him by Gibreal by order of Allah.

It Jumma today, Badri
Stop your Idol worshipping for at least one day

[anajmi]

1400 years have passed and the challenge still stands.

Etc, Etc & Etc = Bolta Quran - Prove Error?

Bring one ayah from the Quran that says Etc, Etc, & Etc are not bolta Quran? for 1400 years people have been trying but are unsuccessful. Who can prove error? Is there a maika lal that can prove error?

[badrijanab]

Anajmi,

Only point I am pleased with is your acknowledging: Your great-great.. grandfather is superior to your 1/2/3 = your 1/2/3 are even inferior than your great...grandfather.

1/2/3 are dependent on your great..grandfather to prove their Ismat (flawlessness).

[badrijanab]

Muslim First, Anajmi and alike have failed to bring even one authentic tradition proving error committed by Ameer-al-Mumineen Mola Ali a.s. This clearly establishes supremacy of Mola Ali a.s. over etc, etc and etc.

@ MF - To prove Prophet Mohammed s.a.w.w. has committed error i.e. Prophet is a man who committed fault - to support your misguided theory your proof is tradition of Palm Tree planation. How will you prove that that tradition itself is 100% truth and not false without an iota of doubt?

[anajmi]

1/2/3 are dependent on your great..grandfather to prove their Ismat (flawlessness).

Just like Hz Ali is dependent upon you to prove his Ismat (flawlessness). So in effect you are superior to Hz Ali. And since my grand daddy is dependent upon me to prove his Ismat (flawlessness), I am superior to him.

Thank you.

My challenge still stands. badrijanab is unable to bring even one ayah from the Quran to prove that 1/2/3 are not flawless. SubhanAllah.

[badrijanab]

Challenge of Islam is: Bring just one authentic tradition proving just one error ever committed by Ameer al Mumineen Mola Ali a.s.

Sunni's, Wahabi's, Salafi, Sufi, etc all failed, no one in past 1400 years could counter above. Like no one could prove error with single verse of Quran.

Same character of Quran and Mola Ali. That is why Prophet Mohammed s.a.w.w. said, "I am leaving two heavily precious assets after me, one Quran and second 'itrat' (Ali and his progeny). Never leave them, they will always be together."

[anajmi]

So badrijanab is unable to prove from Quran that 1/2/3 is not flawless.

Conclusion 1/2/3 = flawless = bolta Quran. Prove Error?

[badrijanab]

So badrijanab is unable to prove from Quran that 1/2/3 is not flawless.

Conclusion 1/2/3 = flawless = bolta Quran. Prove Error?

So Anajmi & alike are unable to prove from Quran that 1/2/3 are flawless.

Conclusion 1/2/3 = full of flaw. Prove Error?

Challenge of Islam is: Bring just one authentic tradition proving just one error ever committed by Ameer al Mumineen Mola Ali a.s.

Sunni's, Wahabi's, Salafi, Sufi, etc all failed, no one in past 1400 years could counter above. Like no one could prove error with single verse of Quran.


One of many errors of 1/2/3: Contrary to Sunnat of Prophet Mohammed s.a.w.w. they made Tarawi as congregation salat lead by Imam.

[anajmi]

So badrijanab is unable to prove from Quran that 1/2/3 is not flawless.

Conclusion 1/2/3 = flawless = bolta Quran. Prove Error?

Challenge of Islam is: Bring just one authentic tradition proving just one error ever committed by Ameer al Mumineen Mola Ali a.s.

Easy - There is a tradition from Imam Jafar-as-Sadiq that Mola Ali (as) wanted to marry the daughter of Abu Jahl. The prophet (saw) was very angry with Ali for this. Thank you very much. Case closed.

[badrijanab]

So badrijanab is unable to prove from Quran that 1/2/3 is not flawless.

Conclusion 1/2/3 = flawless = bolta Quran. Prove Error?

Challenge of Islam is: Bring just one authentic tradition proving just one error ever committed by Ameer al Mumineen Mola Ali a.s.

Easy - There is a tradition from Imam Jafar-as-Sadiq that Mola Ali (as) wanted to marry the daughter of Abu Jahl. The prophet (saw) was very angry with Ali for this. Thank you very much. Case closed.

Wriiten in which books?

[anajmi]

Authentic books. Translation - Ali is not flawless. Prove Error?

[anajmi]

Actually, I can prove from the Quran that 1/2/3/4/5/6/7/8/910/11/12 are all flawed. You want me to?

[Muslim First]

Badrijanab

You sent me PM about your quest to debate errorless life of Ali RA

You being Ali worshipper want us to look into life of great Sahabas and find errors in their ways.
Please Islam is not about personalities, not even Hadit which says " hold to Quran and my Itrat"

Which one you want to hold today?
Aga Khan?
King of Jordan and Morocco?
Your hiding Imam whose whereabout and name you even do not know?
1300 year old but living imam of 12vers?

Here are some examples of Ali worshipping Your Ismaili cousins at Ismaili.net

This Ismaili.net Admin talking about Ismaili orientlist named Corbin
http://www.ismaili.net/html/modules.php ... c&start=15

When I first met him at the Sorbonne he was talking of the Imam saying that for an Ismaili, to declare that Ali was Allah, would be a nonsense, indeed, he said, to say Ali is Allah is to degrade Ali, he said Ali is Higher!

Here is another good one

To Admin:
Very inspiring message on Corbin.He was a excellent grade esoteric understanding person decoding the Marifat code.
I have formed my own formula out of my conviction not binding on anyone

At Tariqat level:

Allah =God
Ali =Imam.

At haqiqat level:

Ali = Allah = Imam.

At Marifat level:

ALI+lah= allah.

With this key all the Baatin of the world is open in a platter.

And this one (you will agree with this)

KAABA QURAN TU HAI ALI
YEH HAI MERA DAWA ALI
JAB DIL ME BETHA HAI,TU HI ALI
TO ROZ HOTI HUJJ BHI MERI.
AB KAHE KI DUHI ALI.
EK HOJA ALI ALI,EK HOJA ALI ALI
EK HOJA ALI ALI.
MAI NA RAHAA HU AB TO RAHAA HAI SIRF
ALI ALI ALI.

Do you really me and Br anajmi bad mouth Sahabas and prove who is better?

It looks like they let you out on weekend from funny farm.
Take your meds brother, please.

Wasalaam

[silvertongue]

Whats wrong with all you guys.. Didnt expected this much extremism.. Just think for a sec here, Would Maula Ali want to hear such things. How can anyone even think of comparing anyone to Lord of the Worlds, Allah. Its simply ignorance.. Maula Ali was a noble and brave soldier of Allah and the brother of Prophet of God. We all love him, as A Mumin will love him, and Munafiq will hate him. But he was a servant of Allah. From where did all these calculations of ALI + LAH (I dont knw where these came from) cme frm. I think coz of these calculations followers of SMB claims him to be God on earth...