HISTORY OF SULAYMANI BOHRAS

[salaar]

SULAYMANI BOHRAS.................................................................................................................................
When the 25th Dai Syedna Jalal Bin Hasan died in 1567AD he was succeeded by Syedna Daud bin Ajab Shah as the 26th Dai,during that period the dawat was firmly established in Hindustan and mumineen in Yemen were losing their focus alongwith the growing enemity with Zaydis imam and his group. In Hindustan a sunni propagandist started his campaign against Daudi Bohras in the court of emperor Akbar, however Syedna Daud bin Ajab Shah personally went in the darbar of emperor Akbar in Agra to present the grievances of the community and he was warmly recieved and the king granted religious freedom to the community. Syedna Daud bin Ajab Shah died in 1591AD he was succeeded by Syedna Daud bin Qutub Shah as the 27th Dai, it was at this point that a major dispute of NASS broke out, the yemeni momineen were duly informed of this change and the succession and initially they accepted but after 4 years Sulayman Bin Hasan the grandson of the 24th Dai who was also the deputy of 26th Dai Syedna Daud bin Ajab Shah in yemen claimed himself as the Dai and reached Hindustan to get hold of community affairs. Sulayman presented a document of Nass which is still present in Dawats library according to which he was the beneficiary of Nass, later when this document was checked for authentication it was found forged as it was made with the assistance of some relatives of the 26th Dai, one of them was a kaatib of Maula, these relatives had earlier been implicated in financial corruption in Dawat. this dispute was again brought in the court of emperor Akbar who formed a committee to look into the case, this tribunal later gave its decision in favor of Syedna Daud bin Qutub Shah, however a permanent breach was formed in the community as majority yemenis opted for Sulayman Bin Hasan whereas majority momineen in Hindustan opted for Syedna Daud bin Qutub Shah as their Dai. Daudis remained in Hindustan whereas the Sulaymanis establish themselves in Yemen.

[salaar]

HISTORY OF ALAWI BOHRAS...................................................................................................................................... when Syedna Abdul Tayyab Zakiuddin the son of 27th Dai became the 29th Dai his authority was challenged by Ali Bin Ibrahim who was the grandson of the 28th Dai Syedna shaikh Adam Safiuddin. The name Alawis is mistaken by people to be taken after Maula Ali however it is derived from the name of its founder Ali bin Ibrahim. this person was supported by his kakajees and many others, this case was presented in the court of the Mughal Emperor Jahangir, the court decided in favor of Syedna Abdul Tayyab Zakiuddin Maula and in the court Ali bin Ibrahim took back his claim and agreed to reconcile, however after reaching Ahmedabad he again started propagating his claims and formed his own group called Alawis or Aliyya and made Baroda their headquarter. during the period of their 37th Dai a small group again seperated from Alawis and claim that islam has ended and added some hindu believes and turned into pure vegetarians or they are commonly called Nagoshiya, this group has seized to exist anymore.

[anajmi]

So, it looks like in times of dispute, the Dais are normally selected by mughal emperors and civil courts instead of the Imam as we have been falsely led to believe.

[salaar]

anajmi dear this syllabus is not in your course dont bother into it

[anajmi]

Apparently, the Imam isn't bothered with it either.

[salaar]

HISTORY OF QUTBI BOHRAS......................................................................................................................................................................... After the death of the 52nd Dai Syedna Mohammad Burhanuddin his son Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin became the 53rd Dai, however his claim was challenged by the mazoon of the 52nd Dai, Syedi Khzaima Qutbuddin, a case was registered in the Mumbai high court by the mazoon sahib he was backed by his children who were educated and were supported by some members of the family as well, it should be noted that Syedi Khuzaima Qutbuddin was the half brother of the 52nd Dai Syedna Mohammad Burhanuddin and it was a tussle within the family, initially the court tried to persuade them to settle the matter amicably as in those days the courts were not competent to sort out religious matters however in the subsequent proceedings the decision was granted in favor of.................................... OOPS AM I GOING TOO FAST, well wait for the time.

[jamanpasand]

Salaar bhai
Don't waste your time on these issues. There are more productive things to do in life. Anajmi is my old buddy, I know him well. He is retarded retired moron and can waste limitless hours of others.

[zulqarnain]

HISTORY OF ALAWI BOHRAS...................................................................................................................................... when Syedna Abdul Tayyab Zakiuddin the son of 27th Dai became the 29th Dai his authority was challenged by Ali Bin Ibrahim who was the grandson of the 28th Dai Syedna shaikh Adam Safiuddin. The name Alawis is mistaken by people to be taken after Maula Ali however it is derived from the name of its founder Ali bin Ibrahim. this person was supported by his kakajees and many others, this case was presented in the court of the Mughal Emperor Jahangir, the court decided in favor of Syedna Abdul Tayyab Zakiuddin Maula and in the court Ali bin Ibrahim took back his claim and agreed to reconcile, however after reaching Ahmedabad he again started propagating his claims and formed his own group called Alawis or Aliyya and made Baroda their headquarter. during the period of their 37th Dai a small group again seperated from Alawis and claim that islam has ended and added some hindu believes and turned into pure vegetarians or they are commonly called Nagoshiya, this group has seized to exist anymore.

Salaar - When did Abdul Taiyeb Zakiyuddin die?

[salaar]

Syedna Abdul Tayyab Zakiuddin Maula was born on the 18th safar 972 hijri and died on 2nd Rabi ul awwal 1041hijri that was 1631 AD he remained Dai on the arsh of dawat ul ghurra for 10 years 7 months and 25 days, his age was 69 years. his Qabar mubarak is in Ahmedabad.

[JC]

So, it looks like in times of dispute, the Dais are normally selected by mughal emperors and civil courts instead of the Imam as we have been falsely led to believe.

Could it be that those Mughal Emperors were indeed Imams and did not want to come out of closet??!! Given by that traditions current case should have been presented to any of three Presidents (India, Pakistan and Bangladesh) being the sucessors of Mughal Emperors .......... but wait how can there be 3 Imams simultaneously .... you know what Kothar is right, Islam is too complicated for us idiots to understand and follow. Lets follow Kotharis they are the Martians ............

[JC]

Syedna Abdul Tayyab Zakiuddin Maula was born on the 18th safar 972 hijri and died on 2nd Rabi ul awwal 1041hijri that was 1631 AD he remained Dai on the arsh of dawat ul ghurra for 10 years 7 months and 25 days, his age was 69 years. his Qabar mubarak is in Ahmedabad.

Don't you think word MUBARAK is too much used by Bohras?? Every other thing related to so-called Royals is Mubarak ........... why is that. Why cannot you say Qabar, must you add Mubarak ........... the word Mubarak is really abused by abdes ..........

[zulqarnain]

Syedna Abdul Tayyab Zakiuddin Maula was born on the 18th safar 972 hijri and died on 2nd Rabi ul awwal 1041hijri that was 1631 AD he remained Dai on the arsh of dawat ul ghurra for 10 years 7 months and 25 days, his age was 69 years. his Qabar mubarak is in Ahmedabad.

Salaar - Abdul Taiyeb Zakiyuddin died in 1041 AH? Are you sure? Because no where but your sahifas printed few years back shows different date of his demise!! Then which is the correct date? Follow this link....
http://www.alavibohra.org/haqqaaniyat%2 ... %20mss.htm

[salaar]

i will further confirm it but this date is similar in shahifa and another book as well, still i will check it.

[shehzaada]

It is unfortunate that people are taking their deen from these sahifas which are at most 900 years old and they contain private teachings of a select few people who separated from the mainstream on flimsy grounds.

Any narration without chain of transmission is inherently corrupt. The Quran itself has the chain of narration so does the authentic hadith. But these sahifas they mostly contain personal opinions and theories.

[salaar]

you are mistaken shahifas are just for basic references the actual history is recorded very comprehensively in different periods but the most detailed one is ouyuun ul akhbar by syedna idrees imaduddin maula.

[shehzaada]

Yet I hold that Any narration without chain of transmission is inherently corrupt. The Quran itself has the chain of narration so does the authentic hadith. But these sahifas they mostly contain personal opinions and theories.


does Ouyun al akhbar mention the chain of narrations?

[anajmi]

http://www.alavibohra.org/haqqaaniyat%2 ... %20mss.htm

So, it seems like the Dawoodi Bohra Dais have been in the business of Nass manipulation for centuries eh?

[shehzaada]

Ya it goes back much earlier , succession disputes go back to the time post karbala. Ali a.s himself never claimed that Man Qunto Maula.... as a deed of nass. It was much later the Nusairis who spread all this succession conflicts to divide the Ummah. Even Jafar Sadik a.s never declared Musa Kazim a.s. or Ismail a.s as a successor . It was much later that various shia sects concocted these stories. Jafar Sadik a,s would certainly would be appalled to see how people have completely misunderstood them due to the conspirators.

[ghulam muhammed]

An old article which is relevant to this thread.

Every history is marked with good and bad memories. One such pathetic and unfortunate event that occurred in the history of Alavi Bohras, which has left deep scars in the hearts of mumineen, was the one which took place on the ill-fated day 10-11-1416 AH/29-3-1996 AD in Saraspur Qabrastan, Ahmedabad. The cemetery manager ordered the demolition of the holy grave (qabr-e-mubaarak) of 30th Alavi Da’i Saiyedna Abd ut-Taiyeb Zakiyuddin (d. 1047 AH/1638 AD), the son of 28th Da’i-e-Mutlaq Saiyedna Shaikh Aadam Safiyuddin (aq) in the pretext of constructing the new mausoleum. Several rounds of talks with the cemetery authorities and their higher-ups resulted in giving guarantee of constructing the grave afresh on the same place. These talks were full of deceit and shrewdness. Once again on 7-4-1417 AH/21-8-1996 AD they exhibited their unending cruelty and hatred by demolishing the grave of 29th Alavi Da’i Saiyedna Ali Shamsuddin Shaheed (aq), the son of S. Ibraheem and the grandson of Saiyedna Shaikh Aadam Safiyuddin Saheb (aq) – the 28th Da’i-e-Mutlaq. Saiyedna Ali Shamsuddin Shaheed (aq) is the most eminent and distinguished Da’i (missionary) because Alavi Bohras derive their name from him.

The succession of Du’aat of Alavi Bohras is established on the truthfulness, loyalty and bravery of Saiyedna Ali Shamsuddin Shaheed (aq) who sacrificed his life in the way of Allaah. He guarded ad-Da’wat ul-Haadiyah (rightly guided mission) and showed the path of Paradise to the believers. Atrociousness and inhumanity of the cemetery management did not stop at this event. To extinguish the fire of protest and dissent which rose after these cruel episodes, the higher authorities of Dawoodi community gave assurance to consider the matter and resolve it as soon as possible by reconstructing the graves of Alavi Da’is. But that was all patch-up work done by them and nothing concrete has been done until now. Alavi authorities never lose an opportunity to remind their Dawoodi counterparts about this pending demand to restructure and restore the graves. Rampant corruption and partiality has eclipsed the process of getting justice from the local reinforcement agencies and the court of law.

Prophet Mohammad Rasoolullaah (saws) has said that ‘Place between my grave and my pulpit is one of the gardens of Paradise (Jannat).’ The grave of Rasoolullaah (saws), here, means the time after his death and the pulpit means the time of the Day of Judgement (Qayaamat) when Imaam Qaa’im (as), the last imaam from the progeny of Rasoolullaah (saws) will reveal himself (do the Zuhoor). The place between the grave and the pulpit means the Prophet’s vicegerent (wasi), vicegerent’s progeny (imaam) and the progeny’s representative (da’i), who by the divine appointment (nass) guards and promulgates the Deen of Allaah in truthful and legible way. Hence the Da’i for the mumineen is the door to Paradise and the grave of the Da’i is the mortal remains where the believers come for spiritual shelter and salvation i.e. to take Barakaat of Ziyaarat.

One cannot imagine what fate Allaah Ta’aala will bring to the people who demolished the graves of Alavi Du’aat with whom thousands of faithful’s hearts and their sentiments are attached? Hence, Alavis feel that by demolishing the grave of their da’i, some mischievous elements have unsuccessfully targeted their very foundation. Alavis still visit (do the ziyaarat) the same place in the mausoleum where the demolished graves of Da’is once stood. If at all the culprits think that Alavis will forget graves of their Du’aat then it is a serious mistake on their part because removing the graves will not remove the remembrance and sacrifice of the People of Allaah (da’is) from the memory and hearts and this will remain perpetual as the reality has been noted down in the religious treatises (deeni Saheefah) that has been taught right from the beginning in religious school (deeni madrasah) to the children.

The main purpose of demolition of the graves was to remove the signs of spiritual attachment of Alavis from the Bohra cemetery. This mean task was carried out on the behest of some envious anti-Alavi elements in the Da’wat hierarchy of Dawoodis. The fact behind the hatred and jealousy exhibited by Dawoodis is that both the Alavi da’is, 29th Da’i-e-Mutlaq Saiyedna Ali, the grandson of 28th Da’i-e-Mutlaq and 30th Da’i-e-Mutlaq Saiyedna Zakiyuddin saheb, the son of 28th Da’i-e-Mutlaq have been buried there since 4 centuries besides the grave of 28th Da’i-e-Mutlaq Saiyedna Shaikh Aadam Safiyuddin and all the graves of three Alavi Da’is are in a single mausoleum (mazaar). This is the most concrete and existential proof and a factual account that favors the truthful appointment of Saiyedna Ali Shamsuddin Shaheed (aq) as the 29th Da’i-e-Mutlaq by his grandfather 28th Da’i-e-Mutlaq Saiyedna Shaikh Aadam Safiyuddin Saheb (aq) – who is a common Da’i of Alavi and Dawoodis.

Interestingly, before demolition, when any Dawoodi Bohra visitor used to come (do ziyaarat) to the mausoleum of Saiyedna Shaikh Aadam Safiyuddin Saheb (aq), unknowingly, they also did the ziyaarat of 29th and 30th Alavi Da’is. Hence it was very difficult for the Dawoodi authorities to explain their people the cause of the presence of graves of two Alavi Da’is besides the 28th Da’i in the same mausoleum, as they don’t believe in the succession of 29th and 30th Alavi da’is. Since the mausoleum of Saiyedna Shaikh Aadam Safiyuddin Saheb (as) is the place of visit of three Da’is (28th, 29th and 30th) of Alavis, they deserve the possession of the place more than anyone else. To uproot the foundation of this confusion a well planned conspiracy was hatched to demolish the two graves of Alavi Da’is in the mausoleum. Some years back, Sulaymaanis won the case of acquiring the land of the same graveyard where their Da’i is buried in a separate mausoleum. The Saraspur Qabrastan (graveyard) is the only place in India where all three Bohra communities (Alavi, Dawoodi and Sulaymaani) visit and pay respect to their respective da’is who were buried between the period of 975-1050 AH/1567-1640 AD.

[monginis]

http://www.alavibohra.org/haqqaaniyat%2 ... %20mss.htm

So, it seems like the Dawoodi Bohra Dais have been in the business of Nass manipulation for centuries eh?

your RSS leaders are busy killing muslims from years yet you represent them here eh?

and yes dawat is supposed to go for cleansing process every few hundred years.

even right now this process is going on.

[ghulam muhammed]

Ya it goes back much earlier , succession disputes go back to the time post karbala. Ali a.s himself never claimed that Man Qunto Maula.... as a deed of nass. It was much later the Nusairis who spread all this succession conflicts to divide the Ummah. Even Jafar Sadik a.s never declared Musa Kazim a.s. or Ismail a.s as a successor . It was much later that various shia sects concocted these stories. Jafar Sadik a,s would certainly would be appalled to see how people have completely misunderstood them due to the conspirators.

According to Al-Ash'ari (Scholar) there are three major shi'a sects (Ghulat, Rafida, and Zaydiyya)

The Ghulat has twelve minor sects:

- Bayaniyya
- Janahiyya
- Harbiyya
- Mughiriyya
- Mansuriyya
- Khattabiyya
- two unnamed sects
- Shuray'iyya
- Numayriyya
- Sab'iyya
- and another unnamed sect

The Rafida has fifteen minor sects

- Qat'iyya
- Kaysaniyya
- Mughiriyya
- Rafida
- Rafida Husayniyya
- Rafida Muhammadiyya
- Nawusiyya
- Rafida [II]
- Qaramita
- Mubarakiyya
- Sumaytiyya
- Ammariyya/Fathiyya
- Waqifa/Mamtura
- And two other Rafida sects

And the Zaydiyya has six minor sects

- Jarudiyya
- Sulaymaniyya
- Butriyya
- Nu'aymiyya
- Zaydiyya
- Ya'qubiyya

The khattabiyya - a minor Ghulat sect - has five sub-sects (Khattabiyya, Mu'ammariyya, Buzayghiyya, Umayriyya, and Mufaddaliyya)

Whereas the Kaysaniyya - a minor Rafida sect - Has ten sub-sects

- Kaysaniyya I
- Kaysaniyya II
- Kaysaniyya III
- Kaysaniyya IV
- Kaysaniyya V
- (There is no Kayzaniyya VI)
- Kaysaniyya VII

Three sects under Kayzaniyya VII, Rawandiyya, Razamiyya, and Abu Muslimiyya; Harbiyya; Bayaniyya; Kaysaniyya XI

The Jarudiyya - a minor sect of the Zaydiyya - is also divided into five sub-sects (Jarudiyya I, Jarudiyya II, Jarudiyya III, Jarudiiya A, Jarudiyya B, an Jarudiyya C)

Al-Baghdadi (another scholar) has the Shi'a in four major sects (Zaydiyya, Kaysaniyya, Imamiyya, and Ghulat)

He lists the same Zaydiyya sects and sub-sects in al-Ash'ari, with the omission of the Naymiyya and the Zaydiyya sub-sects. He also lists the Kaysaniyya as a separate major Shi'te sect without any minor sects.
As to the Ghulat, he also lists the exact same number of minor sects, he names the ones that al-Ash'ari left unnamed (Ghurabiyya, Mufawwdiyya, and Dhimmiyya.)

The Imamiyya minor sects are listed as fifteen sects without sub-sects, as in al-Ash'ari, but with differences in the names:

- Kamailiyya
- Muhammadiyya
- Baqiriyya
- Nawusiyya
- Shummaytiyya
- Ammariyya,
- Isma'iliyya
- Mubarakiyya
- Musawiyya
- Qat'iyya
- Ithna'Ashariyya
- Hishamiyya
- Zurariyya
- Yunusiyya
- and Shaytaniyya

Al-Shahrastani (Also Scholar) adopts the major sects of al-Baghdadi sects (Zaydiyya, Kaysaniyya, Imamiyya, Ghulat), but he difers in enumerating the minor sects.
For him Kaysaniyya are five minor sects (Mukthariyya, Hashimiyya, Harithiyya, Bayaniyya, and Razamiyya)

He lists three Zaydiyya minor sects (Jarudiyya, Sulaymaniyya, and Salihiyya/Butriyya)

The Imamiya are listed in a completetly different way (Baqariyya and Ja'fariyya, Nawusiyya, Aftahiyya, Shumaytiyya, Musawiyya, and Mufaddaliyya, Isma'iliyya, Ithna'Ashariyya).

al-Nawbakthi (very famous shi'a scholar, rae) lists the Ghulat as eight minor sects (Sab'iyya, Kamailiyya, 'Alba'iyya, Mughiriyya, Mansuuriyya, Khattabiyya, and Hishamiyya)

All this can and more can be found in the Book: Shi'a sects - Kitab Firaq al-Shi'a by ICAS PRESS

http://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/234 ... hin-shias/

[ghulam muhammed]

Muslims today have regrettably divided and subdivided themselves into numerous sects each one labeling themselves by diverse names such as Sunni (e.g. Hanafi, Hanbali, Maliki, Shafi, Barelvi, Wahabi, Deobandi) or Shia (e.g. Twelver, Ismaili, Jafri, Zaidiyya, Khwarij), or Sufi (e.g. Chishti, Naqshbandi, Mawlawi, Qariyyah) and many others.

The Quran strongly forbids divisions of any sort or to associate with those that break away into sects.

006.159
"Indeed, those who divide their religion and break up into sects, you have no part with them in the least: their affair is with God: He will in the end tell them the truth of all that they used to do"

THE ONLY ACCEPTABLE LABEL - I am of those that submit to the one God (i.e. Muslim)

041:033

Who is better in speech than one who calls (men) to God, works righteousness, and says, "I am of those who submit i.e. Muslims (Arabic: Muslimeen)?"

The word 'Muslim' is not only used to describe the followers of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). This word has been used in the Quran to describe all those who submit and surrender to the will of the One Lord who created the heavens and the earth and is the Master of the Day of Judgment.

Source: Edward Lanes Lexicon [1]

• Pharaoh's magicians submit to God after witnessing Prophet Moses's (pbuh) sign from his Lord and are ready to die as those who submit to God (Muslimeen) [7:126]

• Prophet Noah (pbuh) asks for no reward from his people. He only submits to God (Muslimeen) [10:72]

• Prophet Moses (pbuh) speaks to his people to put their trust in God if they submit to Him (Muslimeen) [10:84]

• Prophet Solomon's (pbuh) letter to Sheba (Saba) requesting her in the name of the Lord to abandon her blasphemy and to surrender herself to God (Muslimeen) [27:31]

• Prophet Solomon (pbuh) acknowledges his own surrender to his Lord (Muslimeen) [27:42]

• Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is instructed to say that he has been commanded to be of those that submit to God (Muslimeen) [27:91]

• Those who have persevered with the truth from the People of the Book and when it is recited to them, acknowledge that they have already been from those that have submitted to God (Muslimeen) [28:53]

• All but one house belonging to Lot (pbuh) (from his community) had submitted to God (Muslimeen) [51:36]

• Disciples of Prophet Jesus (pbuh) confirm that they submit to God (Muslimoon) [3:52]

• Prophet Abraham (pbuh) was one who submitted to His Lord (Musliman) [3:67]

• Prophet Joseph (pbuh) prays to his Lord to die as one who submits to his Lord (Musliman) [12:101]

• Prophet Jacob's (pbuh) children at the point of their father's death profess that they submit to God (Muslimoon) [2:133]


DO NOT BE DIVIDED

003:103

"And hold firmly, all together, by the rope which God (stretches out for you), and be not divided among yourselves; and remember with gratitude God's favour on you; for you were enemies and He joined your hearts in love, so that by His Grace, you became brothers; and you were on the brink of the pit of Fire, and He saved you from it. Thus does God make His verses clear to you so that you may be guided"

http://quransmessage.com/articles/no%20sects%20FM3.htm

[ghulam muhammed]

Family tree Moulai Tarmal/Bharmal to Syedna Burhanuddin


http://ebookilys.org/pdf/family-tree-mo ... 46425.html

[canadian]

Family tree Moulai Tarmal/Bharmal to Syedna Burhanuddin


http://ebookilys.org/pdf/family-tree-mo ... 46425.html

If this is true, then this is a family business and not a religion. And we, ordinary folks, are their sheep and lamb to be fleeced and slaughtered at their will.

[Muslim First]

"And hold firmly, all together, by the rope which God (stretches out for you), and be not divided among yourselves; and remember with gratitude God's favour on you; for you were enemies and He joined your hearts in love, so that by His Grace, you became brothers; and you were on the brink of the pit of Fire, and He saved you from it. Thus does God make His verses clear to you so that you may be guided"

And hold firmly, all together, by the rope which God (stretches out for you),

About 200 to 300 years after Prophets death Jewish inspired division took foothold.

Meaning of "And hold firmly, all together, by the rope which God (stretches out for you)" was changed for rope being Quran and Sunnah to Quran and Ahl e bait.

Here we are worshipping Gaib Imam, Imam in hiding represented by various Dais and European Hazir Imam.
Many mainstreamers do not pray regularly and worship Tahguts like Pirs, dead saints etc etc

[bohrikaka]

Corruption and lust of money and temporal pleasure has infected even the current Alavi Dai. Hence if you claim haqqaniyat than act also as a Dai of Haq.