DB View of Ayesha

[anajmi]

That is the beauty of my position. Since I do not worship Ali and the other 360 idols that you worship, I do not have to choose sides!! I worship only Allah who is above Ali and Ayesha. It doesn't matter to me if Ali was right or if Ayesha was right. They were both better than I am and way better than idol worshippers like yourself!!

[askz]

That is the beauty of my position. Since I do not worship Ali and the other 360 idols that you worship, I do not have to choose sides!! I worship only Allah who is above Ali and Ayesha. It doesn't matter to me if Ali was right or if Ayesha was right. They were both better than I am and way better than idol worshippers like yourself!!

i am sorry for you mister you do not understand simple logic. in any organization there is a supreme commander and then there are his subordinates. just ask ask yourself 1 question why did Allah need to send so many messengers He is the creator He could have sent only one and his deen would have been muqamaal.
but as the eras passed by Iblees was getting deeper and deeper inside His creations heart. so that was the reason he chose not to give you everything in one shot. He also gathered experience and sent His messengers. when holy Quran was complete He sent his ahle bayet because what Quran says ahlebayet does and what ahlebayet does that is said by Quran.
if in the line you are not ready to accept what Allah has sent with is permission then i am sorry to say your deen is not complete. its sad that in this era the DB are doing wrong things but that does not justify your quote regarding hazrat Ali.The Db also dont worship ali they just position him as his first successor which was not acceptable by 123

[porus]

Let me re-visit the issue of Quran calling Prophet's wives 'mothers' of the believers.

Prophet's wives have been prohibited from marrying again by the Quran.

Quran says that the only person who is your mother is the one who gives birth to you.

So the use of the word 'mother' to describe Prophet's wives is idiomatic meaning that it refers to the women with whom you cannot have marital relationship.

During Prophet's time, there was a custom among Arab men to declare a wife to be his 'mother' if he does not intend to have any relationship with her or as a prelude to divorce. This custom was called 'Zihar'. Thus, once a person declares that his wife is like his'mother' she was no longer in relationship with him.

Thus declaring Prophet's wives to be 'mothers of believers' makes them ineligible for marriage to anyone else after the death of the Prophet. This has been made explicit in another ayat of the Quran.

Quran is clear that 'mothers' of believers will need to earn the respect of believers like any other person.

[anajmi]

So the use of the word 'mother' to describe Prophet's wives is idiomatic meaning that it refers to the women with whom you cannot have marital relationship.

During Prophet's time, there was a custom among Arab men to declare a wife to be his 'mother' if he does not intend to have any relationship with her or as a prelude to divorce. This custom was called 'Zihar'. Thus, once a person declares that his wife is like his'mother' she was no longer in relationship with him.

Hmm, wasn't this practice prohibited by the Allah? Isn't there an ayah regarding this in the Quran?

I am sure you can find it.

Hence, this argument has no feet to stand on.

[MM Bukhari]

That is the beauty of my position. Since I do not worship Ali and the other 360 idols that you worship, I do not have to choose sides!! I worship only Allah who is above Ali and Ayesha. It doesn't matter to me if Ali was right or if Ayesha was right. They were both better than I am and way better than idol worshippers like yourself!!

very straight question, if u were present during war of jamal, whome would u have supported? Ali(s) or Ayesha?

[SBM]

Adam

3rd Verse: A Mother who fought and tried to disperse them, What a disgraceful mother she is.

That is why 52Dai Syenda Burhanuddin and his brothers do not talk about their mother....Did she do some thing to them or are they following the true teaching of DBs to curse their Mothers

[Bohra spring]

MM

Ali's forces overcame the rebels, and the defeated army was treated with generosity. Ali met Aisha, who was at that time aged 45, with the intent of reconciliation. He sent her back to Medina under military escort headed by her brother Muhammad ibn Abi Bakr, one of Ali's commanders. She subsequently retired to Medina with no more interference with the affairs of state.

I would support Ali before the battle and after the battle and let this remain a historical record because Ali respected Ayesha more than he respected you and I

Some quotes from Ali note he calls her mother of believers

"God forgives the oppressors, and delivers one who stands and resists. Everyone who can’t bear the truth, he will go the lies. Now beware you! that the mother of the believers and Talhah and Zubeir have been gathered to oppose my rule and have invited people with no violence. As long as I don’t feel danger about your unity, I will tolerate. If they stop and do only what I have heard, I won’t take any action too."

vile remarks against Ayesha or companions would not have been tolerated by Ali if we were around 1400 years ago.

Another quote

"God sent a prophet guiding us with a Book and a stable manner from which no one will be perverted but the destroyed people. Doubts and new ways can ruin man but if God saves him. So he is who saves you; obey him then with no doubt. I swear by God if you don’t do that, He will take the power of Islam from you and never give it back to you.
"Now get ready to fight with people who want to divide you! May God make what has ruined by the men in far horizons right by your hands! Accomplish now the duty you have!"

[Muslim First]

Let me re-visit the issue of Quran calling Prophet's wives 'mothers' of the believers.

So the use of the word 'mother' to describe Prophet's wives is idiomatic meaning that it refers to the women with whom you cannot have marital relationship.

Quran is clear that 'mothers' of believers will need to earn the respect of believers like any other person.

Here Hz Ali refers to Aisha as mother of believers,

"God forgives the oppressors, and delivers one who stands and resists. Everyone who can’t bear the truth, he will go the lies. Now beware you! that the mother of the believers and Talhah and Zubeir have been gathered to oppose my rule and have invited people with no violence. As long as I don’t feel danger about your unity, I will tolerate. If they stop and do only what I have heard, I won’t take any action too."

Quite strange brother Shaikh porus!

[Bohra spring]

Some of the undisputed facts about Ayesha AS

I hope these statements make us Shias give Ayesha respect she deserves and let us forgive and move on.

By respecting Ayesha we will not diminish the respect of Ahlul Bayt

Aisha is described as Muhammad's most beloved wife, and it was in her company that Muhammad reportedly received the most revelations

Muhammad announced that he had received a revelation from God confirming Aisha's innocence and directing that charges of adultery must be supported by four eyewitnesses.[18] [19] [20] [21] This revelation also rebuked Aisha's accusers[22][third-party source needed] whom Muhammad ordered to receive forty lashes in punishment

After a decade of marriage to Muhammad, which ended with his death, Aisha lived fifty more years in and around Medina. Much of her time was spent learning and acquiring knowledge of the Quran, and the Sunnah of Muhammad. Aisha was one of three wives (the other two being Hafsah and Umm Salamah) who memorized the Quran. Like Hafsah, Aisha had her own script of the Quran written after Muhammad's death.[27] During Aisha’s life many prominent customs of Islam, such as veiling and seclusion of women, began. Aisha’s importance to revitalizing the Arab tradition, and leadership among the Arab women highlights her magnitude within Islam.[28] Aisha became involved in the politics of early Islam and the first three caliphate reigns; Abu Bakr, Umar, and Uthman. During a time in Islam when women were not expected, or wanted, to contribute outside of the household, Aisha delivered public speeches, became directly involved in war and even battles, and helped both men and women to understand the practices of Muhammad.[5]

In 622 both of Aisha's parents became muhajirun when Muhammad migrated from Mecca to Medina in the Hijra. The muhajirun were those loyal enough to follow and are considered the first group of converts to Islam.

her. Ali "gave orders to hamstring the animal,"(161)[4] which was the moment Aisha realized she had been defeated. Ali, with respect, sent her back to Madina, with her brother Muhammad ibn Abu Bakr. Ali and Aisha were accounted to have become friends after the battle, and with this she backed down from "opposition and effective defiance"

When Muhammad married Aisha in her youth, she was accessible "...to the values needed to lead and influence the sisterhood of Muslim women."[32] After the death of Muhammad, Aisha was discovered to be a renowned source of Hadith due to her qualities of intelligence and memory.[28] Aisha delivered ideas expressing the Prophets practice (sunna). Aisha expressed herself as a role model to women, which can also be seen within some traditions attributed to her. The traditions regarding Aisha habitually opposed ideas unfavorable to women in efforts to elicit social change.[33]

During Aisha’s entire life she was a strong advocate for the education of Islamic women especially in areas such as law and the teachings of Islam.[34] Aisha, the mother of the Muslims, was known for establishing the first madrasah for women in her home.[32] Attending Aisha’s classes varied from family relatives to orphaned children.[34] Men also attended Aisha's classes, and a curtain simply separated the male and female students.[32] One of her most mentioned and outstanding students was her nephew, Urwah, who eventually became one of the greatest scholars of his generation. Umrah bint Abdur was also one of Aisha’s famous women pupils who was not only regarded as a trustworthy narrator of the Hadith, but became Aisha’s secretary.[34]

[Muslim First]

anajmi
Hmm, wasn't this practice prohibited by the Allah? Isn't there an ayah regarding this in the Quran?

I am sure you can find it.

Hence, this argument has no feet to stand on

It is not surprising that Shaikh porus makes such statements.
Like Elephent he has two teeth. One for show and one to chew.

In his Posts: 3369, Thu Dec 13, 2001 9:01 am
He makes sensible argument but

He likes video link posted by asif786, Posts: 178, Tue Nov 16, 2010 2:40 pm
Without analyzing video.

So what is Porus's view on Aisha?

[ghulam muhammed]

It is an undisputed fact that history has been distorted/fabricated by people with vested interests hence it is better to introspect on the qualities of the person rather then believe something which is questionable. The impeccable character of these great souls is proof enough that they cannot do any wrong !! Even if this argument doesnt hold water for people with biased views then it is imperative that they focus on Allah (swt) and Prophet (s.a.w.) rather then shift focus on todays mullas and the materialistic dai who twist historical facts to suit their hidden agendas.

A very simple question that one needs to ask oneself is "Are we not questioning the Prophet's WISDOM by throwing dirt on the ones whom the Prophet (s.a.w.) himself chose as his partner and companions ?" Do we or the dai and mullahs have better aql and wisdom then Prophet (s.a.w.) ? What bohras/shias do not understand (inspite of clear Quranic injunctions) is that they are NEGATING the very Kalima which they swear upon by questioning the very entity mentioned in it !!

[wise_guy]

Asad I wish you had not started this topic it will end up with insults and abuses and we will drag the Prophets family into it.

Who are we to make historical conclusion and question the judgement of the Prophet and Ali

Ayesha was last the wife of the Prophet during his death let us not imply he chose without Allah guidance auzubillah , she was Abubakrs daughter the prophets companion, period, Shias can say what they may on his character, we should accept that the prophet chose him as a companion , he did not choose you or me or the diai, the Khalifa Ali accepted for whatever reason, period even if we implicate him to have hurt his wife Fatema. He made a wise and informed choice would it not be betters to accept their decision rather than challenge his decision and make our own cause or effect logic.

So how do we try to be smarter than such high profile people to twist a more likely to be a typical family feud and blow it out of context and proportion and throw dirt around 1,400 years after the event. Why is It so difficult for us Shia to not need to insult, how does it impact our faith and worship towards Allah and his message ?

Rasulullah (SA) married Ayesha for a reason. Spreading Islam required not just force but diplomacy. Abu Bakr was a powerful entity and Rasulullah required his support for Islam's sake. Rasulullah married Ayesha to pacify Abu Bakr. Abu Bakr came from a powerful clan and Rasulullah(SA) required his support for spreading Islam. This is the only reason, and this has been reported in history. I don't remember exactly the source but its the truth.

[wise_guy]

Some of the undisputed facts about Ayesha AS

I hope these statements make us Shias give Ayesha respect she deserves and let us forgive and move on.

By respecting Ayesha we will not diminish the respect of Ahlul Bayt

Aisha is described as Muhammad's most beloved wife, and it was in her company that Muhammad reportedly received the most revelations

Muhammad announced that he had received a revelation from God confirming Aisha's innocence and directing that charges of adultery must be supported by four eyewitnesses.[18] [19] [20] [21] This revelation also rebuked Aisha's accusers[22][third-party source needed] whom Muhammad ordered to receive forty lashes in punishment

After a decade of marriage to Muhammad, which ended with his death, Aisha lived fifty more years in and around Medina. Much of her time was spent learning and acquiring knowledge of the Quran, and the Sunnah of Muhammad. Aisha was one of three wives (the other two being Hafsah and Umm Salamah) who memorized the Quran. Like Hafsah, Aisha had her own script of the Quran written after Muhammad's death.[27] During Aisha’s life many prominent customs of Islam, such as veiling and seclusion of women, began. Aisha’s importance to revitalizing the Arab tradition, and leadership among the Arab women highlights her magnitude within Islam.[28] Aisha became involved in the politics of early Islam and the first three caliphate reigns; Abu Bakr, Umar, and Uthman. During a time in Islam when women were not expected, or wanted, to contribute outside of the household, Aisha delivered public speeches, became directly involved in war and even battles, and helped both men and women to understand the practices of Muhammad.[5]

In 622 both of Aisha's parents became muhajirun when Muhammad migrated from Mecca to Medina in the Hijra. The muhajirun were those loyal enough to follow and are considered the first group of converts to Islam.

her. Ali "gave orders to hamstring the animal,"(161)[4] which was the moment Aisha realized she had been defeated. Ali, with respect, sent her back to Madina, with her brother Muhammad ibn Abu Bakr. Ali and Aisha were accounted to have become friends after the battle, and with this she backed down from "opposition and effective defiance"

When Muhammad married Aisha in her youth, she was accessible "...to the values needed to lead and influence the sisterhood of Muslim women."[32] After the death of Muhammad, Aisha was discovered to be a renowned source of Hadith due to her qualities of intelligence and memory.[28] Aisha delivered ideas expressing the Prophets practice (sunna). Aisha expressed herself as a role model to women, which can also be seen within some traditions attributed to her. The traditions regarding Aisha habitually opposed ideas unfavorable to women in efforts to elicit social change.[33]

During Aisha’s entire life she was a strong advocate for the education of Islamic women especially in areas such as law and the teachings of Islam.[34] Aisha, the mother of the Muslims, was known for establishing the first madrasah for women in her home.[32] Attending Aisha’s classes varied from family relatives to orphaned children.[34] Men also attended Aisha's classes, and a curtain simply separated the male and female students.[32] One of her most mentioned and outstanding students was her nephew, Urwah, who eventually became one of the greatest scholars of his generation. Umrah bint Abdur was also one of Aisha’s famous women pupils who was not only regarded as a trustworthy narrator of the Hadith, but became Aisha’s secretary.[34]

Ayesha was the one who spread propoganda against Ali (SA) after Rasulullah's (SA) wafat.

[Bohra spring]

Rasulullah (SA) married Ayesha for a reason. Spreading Islam required not just force but diplomacy. Abu Bakr was a powerful entity and Rasulullah required his support for Islam's sake. Rasulullah married Ayesha to pacify Abu Bakr. Abu Bakr came from a powerful clan and Rasulullah(SA) required his support for spreading Islam. This is the only reason, and this has been reported in history. I don't remember exactly the source but its the truth.

WG can you think before you write such rubbish ! Who gave you these disgusting excuse?

Did you or any of your imams or Diai ever marry for convenience , share his intimate moment with a woman , tried to have children with the woman , but got miscarriage and you would insult that blessed union all for a political agenda . Have you no decency to give the Prophet any respect that he may have married Ayesha as her wife , love and potentially credited as you would respect the wife of any of the honorable prophets. Why would people like you belittle the that Sunnah of the prophet where he blesses marriage , but insult it to be a tool of exploitation.

Brother repent and ask for forgiveness because it is not just rituals that will be counted but your conscious faith, sincere and niyat. By such thoughts you have done a big sin and if you are a Muslim you will have to account for it at judgement time.

If you had real and sincere respect for the Prophet as Allah intended you would not say such things. If you have been trained to think like that then this is even more sad because it seems they have stolen the abdes intelligence

This is really sad and hope thisis not a widespread Shia theory! With such dirty and idiotic ideology you attract yourselves to attack from hard line Sunni .

[wise_guy]

Look who is talking about sin... Who abuses and insults the Dai n dawat on every possible occasion.

[Bohra spring]

WG you are not suggesting that the Diai deserves the same respect as a Prophet and his family ?

Just because you love the Diai dearly does not mean he is the Ummah leader . Why do you think he deserves the same honour and respect ?

Sure we can taper the insults and criticise his actions which are uncivilised or unIslamic without abusing him for the sake of it. You will notice most PDB members are aggressively cricising rather than abusing like using 4 letter words or cursing him .

[khudaparast]

waste guy,

you wasted whole of his life feeding crap to his brain

[badrijanab]

Note: I am not the author of article below. It is copy/pasted assembled from source considered to be authentic. I do not deserve any credit for below.

Bismillah'hir Rahman'nir Raheem


OSOOL:
Jo martabe ka sahib hota he religious qadardani sirf aur sirf usi ke liye hoti he. Rishtedaar jese: beta ya bhai ya wife hone se unko koi religious qadardani by default nahi milti.

Example) Kabeel Nabi Shees ka bhai he magar uske liye koi qadardani nahi balki Kabeel per to laanat bheji jati he bhale woh nabi ka bhai tha, Haam beta tha Nooh nabi ka fir bhi uski koi qadardani nahi balki us per bhi laanat bheji jati he, Nabi Lut ki wife, Musa Nabi ki wife Safura per bhi laanat padhi jati he... Yani har insaan ko uski qadardani khud kamani he, sirf nabi ya Imam ya Dai ke rishte me hone se uski mazhab ki nazar me koi qadar nahi he.
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Hazrat AYESHA PER MUQADMA

(1) Hz. Ayesha went against the commandment of the Quran (33:32-33:33) asking her to abide quietly in her home but she went out and waged war aginst Mola Ali a.s. Ayesha invited wrath of Allah on herself by becoming Mola Ali a.s. enemy because in Rasulullah s.a.w.w. prayer at Ghadeer-e-khum, Prophet s.a.w.w. had asked Allah to "be the enemy of those who are enemies of Ali."

(2) In addition, there are reports of her having refused burial of Imam Hasan a.s. near the grave ofProphet s.a.w.w. This she did by marching to the funeral on the back of a Donkey and fired arrows on the dead body of Imam Hasan a.s. Bohras consider this an insult to Imam Hasan a.s. (Muslims do not behave like that at a funeral).

(3) And of course there are stories of her rage at Prophet s.a.w.w. love for ahlul bayt and her jealousy against Prophet s.a.w.w. fond remembrance of his first wife Khadija a.s. Molatina Fatima a.s. mother. . One muhib-a-ahlul'bayt cries to Hz. Ayesha, "You came in front of Mola Ali a.s. on a Camel. Then in front of Imam Hasan a.s. to stop his burial on a donkey. Aysha, if you lived any longer, you would have come attacked Imam Husain a.s. in Karbala on an Elephant!!"
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MOTHER OF BELIEVERS - MEANING?

Prophet's wives have been prohibited from marrying again by the Quran. Quran says that the only person who is your mother is the one who gives birth to you. So the use of the word 'mother' to describe Prophet's wives is idiomatic meaning that it refers to the women with whom you cannot have marital relationship. . During Prophet's time, there was a custom among Arab men to declare a wife to be his 'mother' if he does not intend to have any relationship with her or as a prelude to divorce. This custom was called 'Zihar'. Thus, once a person declares that his wife is like his'mother' she was no longer in relationship with him. Thus declaring Prophet's wives to be 'mothers of believers' makes them ineligible for marriage to anyone else after the death of the Prophet. This has been made explicit in another ayat of the Quran. Quran is clear that 'mothers' of believers will need to earn the respect of believers like any other person.

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SUNNI BHAIYON KA DAAWA AUR JAWAB

Sunni's contention: The Quran bestows the title of “Mother of the Believers” (Umm Al Mumineen) to Aisha, Hafsa, and the rest of the Prophet’s wives: “The Prophet is closer to the believers than their own selves, and his wives are their mothers.” (Quran, 33:6). Therefore, anyone who declares “baraat” (disassociation) from Aisha and says that she is not his mother, such a person is not a believer. In order to be a believer, a Muslim must accept all of the Prophet’s wives as his mothers as decreed in the quoted verse. He must treat Aisha with the same respect that he treats his own mother with. If Aisha is the mother of the believers, then the people who slander her, insult her,and criticize her are not believers. We wonder what will be the fate of those who speak of Aisha with contempt, who repel Aisha, disassociate themselves from her [i.e. “baraat”], and call her an enemy of Islam? How can the mother of Muslims, as declared by Allah, be an enemy of the Muslims?

ANSWER:
Prominent Sunni's - Quranic Tafseer:
(1) Tafsir Ibne Kathir, Tafsir of Surah 33, verse 6
(2) Tafheem ul Quran by Abul ala Maududi, Tafseer of Surah 33 verse 6

Both above says in their tafseer of aayat 33:6 - It is clear that because of the honor of Rasoolallah s.a.w.w. his wives were forbid to marry anyone else after him. Although other women in Islam are allowed this right, his wives could not and this is the only reason for their title of mothers of believers.

If what Sunni’s says is right and all of Rasoolallah s.a.w.w. wives are like the real mothers of all believers, then God forbid, those who married the daughter or daughters of Rasoolallah s.a.w.w. sinned because they married the daughters of their own mothers!!! Similarly, all Muslims who did not leave inheritance to the wives of Rasool (SAW), a mother's share, also transgressed the limits and sinned. I hope this is sufficient for the wise.

We never decline Ayesha being the mother of believers. But because we keep the Ahlulbayt a.s. in high regard and follow the Walayat of Mola Ali a.s. and Imamat of Imam Hasan a.s., we disapprove of Ayesha's actions in the battle of Jamal, we condemn her behaviour of firing arrows on Imam Hasan dead body, we condemn her plotting against Rasoolallah s.a.w.w. and we condemn her behaviour of keeping jealousy for Molatina Khadeeja a.s.

Wouldn't I stop my own mother if she carried a gun and went outside to kill some people, for whatever reason? Wouldn't I criticize my mother's actions if she was on Baatil, disobeyed Rasoolallah s.a.w.w.? Because it is a sign of faith to at least criticize something wrong.

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Quran - aayat# 30:31 Says: O wives of the prophet! Whoever of you commits an open indecency, the punishment shall be increased to her doubly; and this is easy to Allah. And whoever of you is obedient to Allah and His Messenger and does good, We will give to her her reward doubly, and We have prepared for her an honorable sustenance.

So we note: A mother of Muslims can as much be an enemy of the Muslims just like how a brother of Habeel a.s. can be his murderer, or the teacher of angels can be the Satan.

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SUNNI BHAIYON KA EIK AUR DAAWA
Sunni contends: Why would Allah bestow this honor upon Aisha and Hafsa if they were the enemies of the Muslims? Why would Allah try to confuse the believers by complimenting a supposed enemy of Islam? Was Allah trying to fool us? In another verse in the Quran, Allah addresses theProphet’s wives as “Ahlel Bayt”: “O wives of the Prophet! You are not like any other of the women; ..........” (Quran, 33:32-33).Allah bestowed upon Aisha and Hafsa the special honor of being addressed in the Quran as both Ahlel Bayt and Umm Al Mumineen, a position of double respect not given to anyone else other than the Prophet’s wives. This is something for our Shia brothers to reflect upon. Do they really feel comfortable criticizing people who have been elevated to such a high status by Allah in the Quran? Can any Shia claim to be mentioned in the Quran in such a manner? No mainstream Muslim is mentioned in the Quran like this either. Based on this, everyone alive today should know their place in this world as inferior to the Prophet’s wives; and inferior people should not criticize those higher in rank than them (i.e. higher in the ranks of Allah).

ANSWER:
The Verse of Purity, or Quran [33:33] clearly did not purify the wives of Rasoolallah s.a.w.w.for if they did, the wives would not be jealous of each other or plot against Rasool (SAW) because those are clearly a sign of impurity. Those who were pure from All Rijs, were certainly another group of people: Mohammed, Ali, Fatima, Hasan, Hussain and by extension his progeny of Fatimi Ismaili Tayyebi.

Sunni says, Allah bestowed upon Aisha and Hafsa the special honor of being addressed in the Quran. He is absolutely right. Ayesha and Hafsa are not mentioned in Quran [33:33], but another Surah, a Surah totally revealed for them: “When the Prophet confided unto one of his wives a matter, but when she divulged it (unto others) and God apprised him therefore, he made known a part of it and avoided a part; so when he informed her of it, said she: ‘Who informed thee of this?’ He said: ‘Informed, me, the All-Knowing, the All-Aware’. If you both (women) repent to Allah, (it is better for you), for your hearts have swerved from the right path and if you supported each other against the Prophet, you should know that Allah is his Protector, and after Him Gabriel and the righteous believers and the angels are his companions and helpers. Happily his Lord if he divorceth you, will give him in your place wives better than you, submissive, faithful, obedient, repentant, prayerful, observers of fast, widows and virgins.” Quran [66:3-5]

All scholars agree that these verses were for Ayesha and Hafsa - proof:

Narrated Ibn Abbas: I intended to ask 'Umar so I said, "Who were those two ladies who tried to back each other against the Prophet?" I hardly finished my speech when he said, They were 'Aisha and Hafsa."
Sahih Bukhari Volume 6, Book 60, Number 436

You must note that the hearts of both, Ummul Momineen Ayesha and Hafsa swerved from the right path.This is Rijs in itself and it proves that these two women were not purified from all Rijs as Quran [33:33] did and the Author claimed it was in the honor of wives, including these two women.

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Hz. AYESHA JELOUSY WITH MOLATINA KHADIJA a.s.

Narrated 'Aisha: I did not feel jealous of any of the wives of the Prophet as much as I did of Khadija (although) she died before he married me, for I often heard him mentioning her, and Allah had told him to give her the good tidings that she would have a palace of Qasab (i.e. pipes of precious stones and pearls in Paradise), and whenever he slaughtered a sheep, he would send her women-friends a good share of it.
Sahih Bukhari Volume 5, Book 58, Number 164.

'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported: I felt jealous of the women who offered themselves to Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) and said: Then when Allah, the Exalted and Glorious, revealed this:" You may defer any one of them you wish, and take to yourself any you wish; and if you desire any you have set aside (no sin is chargeable to you)" (xxxiii. 51), I ('A'isha.) said: It seems to me that your Lord hastens to satisfy your desire.
Sahih Muslim Book 008, Number 3453

Wa aakhiro dawana anil hamdo lillah he Rabbil aalameen

[Ahmedabad380007]

Any one who is against Ali, is against Islam. If you love Ayesha, then you can't love Ali. If you can't love Ali, you don't love Allah. As simple as that. No long discussion is required here. It seems that the one who has asked this question is not the one who loves Ali.

[ghulam muhammed]

Any one who is against Ali, is against Islam. If you love Ayesha, then you can't love Ali. If you can't love Ali, you don't love Allah. As simple as that. No long discussion is required here. It seems that the one who has asked this question is not the one who loves Ali.

Bro Ahmedabad380007,
Lets go one step further..........Anyone who is against Prophet (s.a.w.) is against Islam (View endorsed by muslims of ALL sects). If you hate Ayesha (r.a.), then you cant love Prophet (s.a.w.) (as she was the wife of Prophet (s.a.w.) who loved her). If you cant love Prophet (s.a.w.), you dont love Allah (View endorsed by muslims of ALL sects). As simple as that. No long discussion is required here. It seems that you are the one who doesnt love Prophet (s.a.w.).

[porus]

It would be instructive to consider ayat 33:6 in its implications about 'nearness' of Prophet to his wives.

Ayat states that the Prophet transcends believers' relationships with their own souls and Prophet's wives are their (believers') 'mothers'.

Almost immediately, Quran gives more importance to Prophet's relationship ( - that is, more importance than to his relationship to his wives - ) to Ali, Fatima, Hassan and Hussain as these are among his 'irhaam'.

Designating Prophet's wives as 'mothers of the believers' means that they are not to re-marry if they survive the Prophet. This is further underscored by ayat 33:53

Regarding removal of 'rijs' from ahlul bayt (33:33), Quran does not support the assertion that this applies to anyone other than Panjatan.

Ayesha deserves respect, not necessarily honor, because she was Prophet's wife. Whether Prophet loved her or whether she was his 'favorite' wife, a Sunni orthodoxy, is debatable.

[anajmi]

Regarding removal of 'rijs' from ahlul bayt (33:33), Quran does not support the assertion that this applies to anyone other than Panjatan.

It doesn't need to, since this assertion is not for the Panjatan in the first place. This is a shia misinterpretation. First you misinterpret and then claim that since the correct interpretation isn't there, the misinterpretation is the correct interpretation. This kind of quranic interpretation works only with abde idiots.

Designating Prophet's wives as 'mothers of the believers' means that they are not to re-marry if they survive the Prophet. This is further underscored by ayat 33:53

With a clear prohibition from marrying the prophet's wives already existing in the Quran, the designation as 'mothers of the believers' to prevent the same is redundant. Besides, calling someone as your mother to prevent marital relationship has already being debunked by Allah in the Quran. Allah wouldn't resort to a practice that he himself has disliked. Hence, the designation 'mothers of the believers' is not to prevent marriage.

[porus]

With a clear prohibition from marrying the prophet's wives already existing in the Quran, the designation as 'mothers of the believers' to prevent the same is redundant. Besides, calling someone as your mother to prevent marital relationship has already being debunked by Allah in the Quran. Allah wouldn't resort to a practice that he himself has disliked. Hence, the designation 'mothers of the believers' is not to prevent marriage.

Allah has not 'debunked' it. He only calls it a 'figure of speech'.

Quran clearly states in 58:2 that no one is your mother except the woman who gives birth to you.

Zihar was a pre-Islamic custom among Arabs by which they divorced their wives by calling them their mothers. Zihar also meant that the ex-husband would retain custody of the divorced wife so that she could not re-marry. While this custom was abolished, the figure of speech 'mother' for a woman who could not remarry had continued in its usage.

Quran does not disagree with the figure of speech, nor does it specifically say anything against the practice of Zihar. It only states that these women are not 'real mothers'.

Thus "Mothers of Believers" is a figure of speech which Allah also uses to mean that believers cannot marry these women.

If redundancy in the Quran was non-existent, Quran would have to be no more than half its current length, I guess!

[anajmi]

This is becoming tiresome.

Here is 58:2

58:2 As for those of you who [henceforth] separate themselves from their wives by saying, “Thou art as unlawful to me as my mother”, [let them bear in mind that] they can never be [as] their mothers: none are their mothers save those who gave them birth: and so, behold, they but utter a saying that runs counter to reason, [4] and is [therefore] false. But, behold, God is indeed an absolver of sins, much-forgiving:

It is pretty clear that making someone unlawful by referring to them as your mother has been abolished as something that runs counter to reason and is therefore, false. Hence it is impossible that God would make someone unlawful to you by making them your mothers!! Hence when Allah is making someone your mother, it is not for marriage prohibition, but something else. The marriage prohibition is clear in the other ayah.

The "figure of speech" explanation is nothing more than noise.

While this custom was abolished, the figure of speech 'mother' for a woman who could not remarry had continued in its usage.

There are many women that are prohibited in marriage, but none of them have been referred to as your mothers in the Quran. Marriage to your daughter is also not allowed, but you do not need to refer to your daughter as your mother to not marry her!!

[anajmi]

Quran does not disagree with the figure of speech, nor does it specifically say anything against the practice of Zihar. It only states that these women are not 'real mothers'.

This displays a severe lack in the understanding of the message of the Quran. This is similar to the Ismailis claiming that drinking alcohol is not explicitly prohibited in the Quran even though it has been referred to as Satan's doing. It is quite clear from the ayah that Allah has disagreed with this practice of "Zihar". Do you think that people who used the practice of "Zihar" didn't know that these women were not their "real mothers"?

[badrijanab]

Note: I am not the author of article below. It is copy/pasted assembled from source considered to be authentic. I do not deserve any credit for below.

Bismillah'hir Rahman'nir Raheem


OSOOL:
Jo martabe ka sahib hota he religious qadardani sirf aur sirf usi ke liye hoti he. Rishtedaar jese: beta ya bhai ya wife hone se unko koi religious qadardani by default nahi milti.

Example) Kabeel Nabi Shees ka bhai he magar uske liye koi qadardani nahi balki Kabeel per to laanat bheji jati he bhale woh nabi ka bhai tha, Haam beta tha Nooh nabi ka fir bhi uski koi qadardani nahi balki us per bhi laanat bheji jati he, Nabi Lut ki wife, Musa Nabi ki wife Safura per bhi laanat padhi jati he... Yani har insaan ko uski qadardani khud kamani he, sirf nabi ya Imam ya Dai ke rishte me hone se uski mazhab ki nazar me koi qadar nahi he.
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Hazrat AYESHA PER MUQADMA

(1) Hz. Ayesha went against the commandment of the Quran (33:32-33:33) asking her to abide quietly in her home but she went out and waged war aginst Mola Ali a.s. Ayesha invited wrath of Allah on herself by becoming Mola Ali a.s. enemy because in Rasulullah s.a.w.w. prayer at Ghadeer-e-khum, Prophet s.a.w.w. had asked Allah to "be the enemy of those who are enemies of Ali."

(2) In addition, there are reports of her having refused burial of Imam Hasan a.s. near the grave ofProphet s.a.w.w. This she did by marching to the funeral on the back of a Donkey and fired arrows on the dead body of Imam Hasan a.s. Bohras consider this an insult to Imam Hasan a.s. (Muslims do not behave like that at a funeral).

(3) And of course there are stories of her rage at Prophet s.a.w.w. love for ahlul bayt and her jealousy against Prophet s.a.w.w. fond remembrance of his first wife Khadija a.s. Molatina Fatima a.s. mother. . One muhib-a-ahlul'bayt cries to Hz. Ayesha, "You came in front of Mola Ali a.s. on a Camel. Then in front of Imam Hasan a.s. to stop his burial on a donkey. Aysha, if you lived any longer, you would have come attacked Imam Husain a.s. in Karbala on an Elephant!!"
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MOTHER OF BELIEVERS - MEANING?

Prophet's wives have been prohibited from marrying again by the Quran. Quran says that the only person who is your mother is the one who gives birth to you. So the use of the word 'mother' to describe Prophet's wives is idiomatic meaning that it refers to the women with whom you cannot have marital relationship. . During Prophet's time, there was a custom among Arab men to declare a wife to be his 'mother' if he does not intend to have any relationship with her or as a prelude to divorce. This custom was called 'Zihar'. Thus, once a person declares that his wife is like his'mother' she was no longer in relationship with him. Thus declaring Prophet's wives to be 'mothers of believers' makes them ineligible for marriage to anyone else after the death of the Prophet. This has been made explicit in another ayat of the Quran. Quran is clear that 'mothers' of believers will need to earn the respect of believers like any other person.

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SUNNI BHAIYON KA DAAWA AUR JAWAB

Sunni's contention: The Quran bestows the title of “Mother of the Believers” (Umm Al Mumineen) to Aisha, Hafsa, and the rest of the Prophet’s wives: “The Prophet is closer to the believers than their own selves, and his wives are their mothers.” (Quran, 33:6). Therefore, anyone who declares “baraat” (disassociation) from Aisha and says that she is not his mother, such a person is not a believer. In order to be a believer, a Muslim must accept all of the Prophet’s wives as his mothers as decreed in the quoted verse. He must treat Aisha with the same respect that he treats his own mother with. If Aisha is the mother of the believers, then the people who slander her, insult her,and criticize her are not believers. We wonder what will be the fate of those who speak of Aisha with contempt, who repel Aisha, disassociate themselves from her [i.e. “baraat”], and call her an enemy of Islam? How can the mother of Muslims, as declared by Allah, be an enemy of the Muslims?

ANSWER:
Prominent Sunni's - Quranic Tafseer:
(1) Tafsir Ibne Kathir, Tafsir of Surah 33, verse 6
(2) Tafheem ul Quran by Abul ala Maududi, Tafseer of Surah 33 verse 6

Both above says in their tafseer of aayat 33:6 - It is clear that because of the honor of Rasoolallah s.a.w.w. his wives were forbid to marry anyone else after him. Although other women in Islam are allowed this right, his wives could not and this is the only reason for their title of mothers of believers.

If what Sunni’s says is right and all of Rasoolallah s.a.w.w. wives are like the real mothers of all believers, then God forbid, those who married the daughter or daughters of Rasoolallah s.a.w.w. sinned because they married the daughters of their own mothers!!! Similarly, all Muslims who did not leave inheritance to the wives of Rasool (SAW), a mother's share, also transgressed the limits and sinned. I hope this is sufficient for the wise.

We never decline Ayesha being the mother of believers. But because we keep the Ahlulbayt a.s. in high regard and follow the Walayat of Mola Ali a.s. and Imamat of Imam Hasan a.s., we disapprove of Ayesha's actions in the battle of Jamal, we condemn her behaviour of firing arrows on Imam Hasan dead body, we condemn her plotting against Rasoolallah s.a.w.w. and we condemn her behaviour of keeping jealousy for Molatina Khadeeja a.s.

Wouldn't I stop my own mother if she carried a gun and went outside to kill some people, for whatever reason? Wouldn't I criticize my mother's actions if she was on Baatil, disobeyed Rasoolallah s.a.w.w.? Because it is a sign of faith to at least criticize something wrong.

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Quran - aayat# 30:31 Says: O wives of the prophet! Whoever of you commits an open indecency, the punishment shall be increased to her doubly; and this is easy to Allah. And whoever of you is obedient to Allah and His Messenger and does good, We will give to her her reward doubly, and We have prepared for her an honorable sustenance.

So we note: A mother of Muslims can as much be an enemy of the Muslims just like how a brother of Habeel a.s. can be his murderer, or the teacher of angels can be the Satan.

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SUNNI BHAIYON KA EIK AUR DAAWA
Sunni contends: Why would Allah bestow this honor upon Aisha and Hafsa if they were the enemies of the Muslims? Why would Allah try to confuse the believers by complimenting a supposed enemy of Islam? Was Allah trying to fool us? In another verse in the Quran, Allah addresses theProphet’s wives as “Ahlel Bayt”: “O wives of the Prophet! You are not like any other of the women; ..........” (Quran, 33:32-33).Allah bestowed upon Aisha and Hafsa the special honor of being addressed in the Quran as both Ahlel Bayt and Umm Al Mumineen, a position of double respect not given to anyone else other than the Prophet’s wives. This is something for our Shia brothers to reflect upon. Do they really feel comfortable criticizing people who have been elevated to such a high status by Allah in the Quran? Can any Shia claim to be mentioned in the Quran in such a manner? No mainstream Muslim is mentioned in the Quran like this either. Based on this, everyone alive today should know their place in this world as inferior to the Prophet’s wives; and inferior people should not criticize those higher in rank than them (i.e. higher in the ranks of Allah).

ANSWER:
The Verse of Purity, or Quran [33:33] clearly did not purify the wives of Rasoolallah s.a.w.w.for if they did, the wives would not be jealous of each other or plot against Rasool (SAW) because those are clearly a sign of impurity. Those who were pure from All Rijs, were certainly another group of people: Mohammed, Ali, Fatima, Hasan, Hussain and by extension his progeny of Fatimi Ismaili Tayyebi.

Sunni says, Allah bestowed upon Aisha and Hafsa the special honor of being addressed in the Quran. He is absolutely right. Ayesha and Hafsa are not mentioned in Quran [33:33], but another Surah, a Surah totally revealed for them: “When the Prophet confided unto one of his wives a matter, but when she divulged it (unto others) and God apprised him therefore, he made known a part of it and avoided a part; so when he informed her of it, said she: ‘Who informed thee of this?’ He said: ‘Informed, me, the All-Knowing, the All-Aware’. If you both (women) repent to Allah, (it is better for you), for your hearts have swerved from the right path and if you supported each other against the Prophet, you should know that Allah is his Protector, and after Him Gabriel and the righteous believers and the angels are his companions and helpers. Happily his Lord if he divorceth you, will give him in your place wives better than you, submissive, faithful, obedient, repentant, prayerful, observers of fast, widows and virgins.” Quran [66:3-5]

All scholars agree that these verses were for Ayesha and Hafsa - proof:

Narrated Ibn Abbas: I intended to ask 'Umar so I said, "Who were those two ladies who tried to back each other against the Prophet?" I hardly finished my speech when he said, They were 'Aisha and Hafsa."
Sahih Bukhari Volume 6, Book 60, Number 436

You must note that the hearts of both, Ummul Momineen Ayesha and Hafsa swerved from the right path.This is Rijs in itself and it proves that these two women were not purified from all Rijs as Quran [33:33] did and the Author claimed it was in the honor of wives, including these two women.

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Hz. AYESHA JELOUSY WITH MOLATINA KHADIJA a.s.

Narrated 'Aisha: I did not feel jealous of any of the wives of the Prophet as much as I did of Khadija (although) she died before he married me, for I often heard him mentioning her, and Allah had told him to give her the good tidings that she would have a palace of Qasab (i.e. pipes of precious stones and pearls in Paradise), and whenever he slaughtered a sheep, he would send her women-friends a good share of it.
Sahih Bukhari Volume 5, Book 58, Number 164.

'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported: I felt jealous of the women who offered themselves to Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) and said: Then when Allah, the Exalted and Glorious, revealed this:" You may defer any one of them you wish, and take to yourself any you wish; and if you desire any you have set aside (no sin is chargeable to you)" (xxxiii. 51), I ('A'isha.) said: It seems to me that your Lord hastens to satisfy your desire.
Sahih Muslim Book 008, Number 3453

Wa aakhiro dawana anil hamdo lillah he Rabbil aalameen

Hi Muslim First! Hope you are okay.

[ghulam muhammed]

Hi Muslim First! Hope you are okay.

Bro badrijanab,

MF seems to be very muck OK but the same doesnt seem so with you as you are terribly caught up with "Ayesha/Khalifa syndrome" for which you need to take some urgent medication. You have been using your mind to cure you but the cure lies in the soul, a fact which you should ponder upon !!

[anajmi]

(1) Hz. Ayesha went against the commandment of the Quran (33:32-33:33) asking her to abide quietly in her home but she went out and waged war aginst Mola Ali a.s. Ayesha invited wrath of Allah on herself by becoming Mola Ali a.s. enemy because in Rasulullah s.a.w.w. prayer at Ghadeer-e-khum, Prophet s.a.w.w. had asked Allah to "be the enemy of those who are enemies of Ali."

This seems to be a fabrication as the prophet (saw) wouldn't ask Allah to make enemies out of mothers and sons after what Allah and he himself has taught us about mothers. Remember even as per the shia interpretation, Hz Ayesha is the mother of Hz Ali (for marriage or otherwise!!). So even if we (illogically) consider that Allah has made Hz Ayesha the biological mother of Hz Ali, she deserves the same respect from him that any mother does from her child. And the best thing is, she got it from Hz Ali. It is only the worshippers of Hz Ali that are the deviant ones.

(2) In addition, there are reports of her having refused burial of Imam Hasan a.s. near the grave ofProphet s.a.w.w. This she did by marching to the funeral on the back of a Donkey and fired arrows on the dead body of Imam Hasan a.s. Bohras consider this an insult to Imam Hasan a.s. (Muslims do not behave like that at a funeral).

Seems to me like another fairy tale.

(3) And of course there are stories of her rage at Prophet s.a.w.w. love for ahlul bayt and her jealousy against Prophet s.a.w.w. fond remembrance of his first wife Khadija a.s. Molatina Fatima a.s. mother. . One muhib-a-ahlul'bayt cries to Hz. Ayesha, "You came in front of Mola Ali a.s. on a Camel. Then in front of Imam Hasan a.s. to stop his burial on a donkey. Aysha, if you lived any longer, you would have come attacked Imam Husain a.s. in Karbala on an Elephant!!"

A lot of fiction mixed with a little fact to come up with a fairy tale. Hz Ayesha was a human. She was jealous of Hz Khadija becauseof the prophet's love for her. This emotion of hers reveals to us how much the prophet (saw) loved hz Khadija and how much the other wives of the prophet (saw) wanted his same kind of love!!

For the answers to the rest of the "mother for marriage" bull, refer to my earlier posts on this thread.

[wise_guy]

A lot of fiction mixed with a little fact to come up with a fairy tale. Hz Ayesha was a human. She was jealous of Hz Khadija becauseof the prophet's love for her. This emotion of hers reveals to us how much the prophet (saw) loved hz Khadija and how much the other wives of the prophet (saw) wanted his same kind of love!!

For the answers to the rest of the "mother for marriage" bull, refer to my earlier posts on this thread.

Well, here you are portraying that Rasulullah (SA) was partial in treatment towards his wives and being jealous is not a sign of good character.

[anajmi]

Every human feels jealousy at someone or something at some point of time. If that is a sign of bad character, then none of us are of a good character. As per the shia even Hz Ali was jealous of Abu Bakr becoming the first khalifa. You can read him complaining about this quite a lot!! How can Abu Bakr get something that belongs to me???? That is a sign of jealousy and not good character!!