Bohra SMS Duniya

[ghulam muhammed]

Aa kagal syenda mohammed burhanuddin Rd ye 47 year pehla lakhu hatu ehma em lakhu k me bhai mufaddal par nas karu chu ane sh ibrahim yamani saheb ne shahid rakhi farmayu k aa waat ne hamna zahir na karjo waqt pat me zahir karis

Bro asad,

Haven't you heard of the many "Fakes" of Monalisa paintings deemed to have been in possession of the rich and elite who actually claim it to be the "Original" !! Its a pity that Da vinci is not there to identify the original

[alam]

General Mesaage to all mumineen.

Mohabbat na josh ma ane dushman par apnu frustration ane gusso utarwa waaste logo ehwa behuda pics cartoons ane voice clips forward karine hasi mazaak ma involve thayi rahya che ...
Su apna Aqa Maula RA ye apne aa sikhayu che ?
Aa sab karwa si mumineen na majd ma faraq pade che ane aa misal karnarao Dawat na dushmano no saath aapi rahya che kem k aa sagla to Dushmano na Akhlaaq che je Mufaddal Maula TUS si apne duur kare che
ITS par har ek mumin ane khidmatguzar ne firman aaya che k ek ek jaan ne bachawa na waaste saa'ye koshish kare
Baaz waqat Dawat na dushmano Parezgaari ane Ibadat ane Waqar no dhong kare che ... ehwo image banawe je na si Na-samajho khechaye ehni taraf ... jem dhongi babao kare che
To ye dushman ni aa sab Cheap Maskhari karwa si agar koi kamzor Imaanwala na zehen ma em aawi jaye k aa to cheap harkato karwa wala Haq na logo na hoi sake ... em sochi ne agar ye dushman na taraf phisli jaye to su aa Pics aa Amul Butter ane Voice Clips si Dawat ni khidmat kidi k Nuqsan pohchayu ane takleef aapi ?
Balki aam kari ne to Dushman nu kaam aasan kari rahya cho !
Imam Jaferus Sadeq AS ye farmayu em apna Akhlaaq si Maula taraf Dawat kariye
To aa misal ni harkato si koni taraf Dawat thase ?
Maula TUS taraf k ehna Dushman taraf ?
Dushman to badhi chadhi ne kahe che k aa sab gundao ane gumraah logo che ... ane aa sab cheap Gaali galoch ane maskhari ne proof banawi ne duniya ne batawse ...
Tiware har ek wo mumin ya k khidmatguzar je ye aa halki cheez kidi che je na si dushman ne yaari mili ... ye Maula si kai tarah nazar milawse ?
Kem k koi na jaantu hoi k aa msg koye shuru kido .. magar Maula Burhanuddin RA ane Maula Mufaddal TUS ane Imam uz Zaman AS to jane che ne ?
Tamne em k aa frustration ane gussa si tame Jihad kari rahya cho ?
Apna jaan sathe to jihad kari nathi sakta ...Frustration ne to control nathi kari sakta .. to su jihad karso ??
Kai na bane to at least khamosh rahine khidmat karo

Dushman kai Maula TUS ne kam takleef nathi aapi rahyo k tame haji Maula TUS ni takleef wadhawo !

Aa dino ma Maula TUS ane aapna sabab Dawat gham ma che to apne bhi gham ane sog ma howa joiye ...
Aa mazak masti si to Dushman tarat point karse k jo aa logo ne koi gham nathi Maula no ... aa to fakat mazaakmasti ma masroof che

Jitna maskhari na msg forward kida itna grps ma aa msg forward karo taki aa sab bandh thaye
Ane fakat Laanat padho ane ikhlaas ni ilmi waato nashar karo ane Masalib ni zikar bhi apna majd na sathe karo ...
Dawat na nishan ne apna Akhlaaq si baland karo
Khuda ni laanat laeen Muddai na Upar
Khuda Taala Aqa AaliQadar Mufaddal Maula TUS ne Qayamat lag sehat aafiyat ma baqi rakhe
Ameen

Folks
Don't expect to see anymore cartoons from KOTHARI spies such as DB-Londoner, Qutbi-londener anymore. He has been severely reprimanded- because "that" strategy backfired!

[Bohra spring]

Would it not be easier if the 2 contestants ask the followers what matters to them

And when they do please Abdes don't reply Saheb Jem Tamar i khuzhi

[wise_guy]

There's a hint of panic in Kothar as seen from this message !

General Mesaage to all mumineen.

Mohabbat na josh ma ane dushman par apnu frustration ane gusso utarwa waaste logo ehwa behuda pics cartoons ane voice clips forward karine hasi mazaak ma involve thayi rahya che ...
Su apna Aqa Maula RA ye apne aa sikhayu che ?
Aa sab karwa si mumineen na majd ma faraq pade che ane aa misal karnarao Dawat na dushmano no saath aapi rahya che kem k aa sagla to Dushmano na Akhlaaq che je Mufaddal Maula TUS si apne duur kare che
ITS par har ek mumin ane khidmatguzar ne firman aaya che k ek ek jaan ne bachawa na waaste saa'ye koshish kare
Baaz waqat Dawat na dushmano Parezgaari ane Ibadat ane Waqar no dhong kare che ... ehwo image banawe je na si Na-samajho khechaye ehni taraf ... jem dhongi babao kare che
To ye dushman ni aa sab Cheap Maskhari karwa si agar koi kamzor Imaanwala na zehen ma em aawi jaye k aa to cheap harkato karwa wala Haq na logo na hoi sake ... em sochi ne agar ye dushman na taraf phisli jaye to su aa Pics aa Amul Butter ane Voice Clips si Dawat ni khidmat kidi k Nuqsan pohchayu ane takleef aapi ?
Balki aam kari ne to Dushman nu kaam aasan kari rahya cho !
Imam Jaferus Sadeq AS ye farmayu em apna Akhlaaq si Maula taraf Dawat kariye
To aa misal ni harkato si koni taraf Dawat thase ?
Maula TUS taraf k ehna Dushman taraf ?
Dushman to badhi chadhi ne kahe che k aa sab gundao ane gumraah logo che ... ane aa sab cheap Gaali galoch ane maskhari ne proof banawi ne duniya ne batawse ...
Tiware har ek wo mumin ya k khidmatguzar je ye aa halki cheez kidi che je na si dushman ne yaari mili ... ye Maula si kai tarah nazar milawse ?
Kem k koi na jaantu hoi k aa msg koye shuru kido .. magar Maula Burhanuddin RA ane Maula Mufaddal TUS ane Imam uz Zaman AS to jane che ne ?
Tamne em k aa frustration ane gussa si tame Jihad kari rahya cho ?
Apna jaan sathe to jihad kari nathi sakta ...Frustration ne to control nathi kari sakta .. to su jihad karso ??
Kai na bane to at least khamosh rahine khidmat karo

Dushman kai Maula TUS ne kam takleef nathi aapi rahyo k tame haji Maula TUS ni takleef wadhawo !

Aa dino ma Maula TUS ane aapna sabab Dawat gham ma che to apne bhi gham ane sog ma howa joiye ...
Aa mazak masti si to Dushman tarat point karse k jo aa logo ne koi gham nathi Maula no ... aa to fakat mazaakmasti ma masroof che

Jitna maskhari na msg forward kida itna grps ma aa msg forward karo taki aa sab bandh thaye
Ane fakat Laanat padho ane ikhlaas ni ilmi waato nashar karo ane Masalib ni zikar bhi apna majd na sathe karo ...
Dawat na nishan ne apna Akhlaaq si baland karo
Khuda ni laanat laeen Muddai na Upar
Khuda Taala Aqa AaliQadar Mufaddal Maula TUS ne Qayamat lag sehat aafiyat ma baqi rakhe
Ameen

Folks
Don't expect to see anymore cartoons from KOTHARI spies such as DB-Londoner, Qutbi-londener anymore. He has been severely reprimanded- because "that" strategy backfired!

[layman]

General Mesaage to all mumineen.

Mohabbat na josh ma ane dushman par apnu frustration ane gusso utarwa waaste logo ehwa behuda pics cartoons ane voice clips forward karine hasi mazaak ma involve thayi rahya che ...
Su apna Aqa Maula RA ye apne aa sikhayu che ?
Aa sab karwa si mumineen na majd ma faraq pade che ane aa misal karnarao Dawat na dushmano no saath aapi rahya che kem k aa sagla to Dushmano na Akhlaaq che je Mufaddal Maula TUS si apne duur kare che
ITS par har ek mumin ane khidmatguzar ne firman aaya che k ek ek jaan ne bachawa na waaste saa'ye koshish kare
Baaz waqat Dawat na dushmano Parezgaari ane Ibadat ane Waqar no dhong kare che ... ehwo image banawe je na si Na-samajho khechaye ehni taraf ... jem dhongi babao kare che
To ye dushman ni aa sab Cheap Maskhari karwa si agar koi kamzor Imaanwala na zehen ma em aawi jaye k aa to cheap harkato karwa wala Haq na logo na hoi sake ... em sochi ne agar ye dushman na taraf phisli jaye to su aa Pics aa Amul Butter ane Voice Clips si Dawat ni khidmat kidi k Nuqsan pohchayu ane takleef aapi ?
Balki aam kari ne to Dushman nu kaam aasan kari rahya cho !
Imam Jaferus Sadeq AS ye farmayu em apna Akhlaaq si Maula taraf Dawat kariye
To aa misal ni harkato si koni taraf Dawat thase ?
Maula TUS taraf k ehna Dushman taraf ?
Dushman to badhi chadhi ne kahe che k aa sab gundao ane gumraah logo che ... ane aa sab cheap Gaali galoch ane maskhari ne proof banawi ne duniya ne batawse ...
Tiware har ek wo mumin ya k khidmatguzar je ye aa halki cheez kidi che je na si dushman ne yaari mili ... ye Maula si kai tarah nazar milawse ?
Kem k koi na jaantu hoi k aa msg koye shuru kido .. magar Maula Burhanuddin RA ane Maula Mufaddal TUS ane Imam uz Zaman AS to jane che ne ?
Tamne em k aa frustration ane gussa si tame Jihad kari rahya cho ?
Apna jaan sathe to jihad kari nathi sakta ...Frustration ne to control nathi kari sakta .. to su jihad karso ??
Kai na bane to at least khamosh rahine khidmat karo

Dushman kai Maula TUS ne kam takleef nathi aapi rahyo k tame haji Maula TUS ni takleef wadhawo !

Aa dino ma Maula TUS ane aapna sabab Dawat gham ma che to apne bhi gham ane sog ma howa joiye ...
Aa mazak masti si to Dushman tarat point karse k jo aa logo ne koi gham nathi Maula no ... aa to fakat mazaakmasti ma masroof che

Jitna maskhari na msg forward kida itna grps ma aa msg forward karo taki aa sab bandh thaye
Ane fakat Laanat padho ane ikhlaas ni ilmi waato nashar karo ane Masalib ni zikar bhi apna majd na sathe karo ...
Dawat na nishan ne apna Akhlaaq si baland karo
Khuda ni laanat laeen Muddai na Upar
Khuda Taala Aqa AaliQadar Mufaddal Maula TUS ne Qayamat lag sehat aafiyat ma baqi rakhe
Ameen

So why the hell is muffy sending out clips of people saying the curse on SKQ?
Muffy is a hypocrite and he just proved it by doing it himself and then telling people not to.

[layman]

This is an absolute proof....who wants more proofs than this.

KQ's all claims falls apart.

3 witnesses are dead and one is old and captured by the muffys. Many such stupid documents will come out.
If these guys were really witnesses to this so called event, why didn't the Late Syedna tell the people in large if he told these witnesses who were the common man as well.

[layman]

The best thing thing is that these guys have been getting fooled for so many years and are continuing to get fooled. Muffy is a brain washer, No Syedna has been a hypocrite, an orthodox, a fanatic, living a lavish lifestyle, not liberal, not modern and the one who says no to education and women welfare.
In the past history of the bohras, a Syedna has always trusted his Mazoon and the Mazoon has never ever gone against the wishes of the Syedna whereas the Syednas family and children have always been a reason for the wrong split.

[true_bohra]

This is an absolute proof....who wants more proofs than this.

KQ's all claims falls apart.

3 witnesses are dead and one is old and captured by the muffys. Many such stupid documents will come out.
If these guys were really witnesses to this so called event, why didn't the Late Syedna tell the people in large if he told these witnesses who were the common man as well.

ohh really....all three witness are dead but do you have doubt on signature of Syedna Muqaddas also...I know you would give an old reply they are forged and fake.

[ghulam muhammed]

ohh really....all three witness are dead but do you have doubt on signature of Syedna Muqaddas also...I know you would give an old reply they are forged and fake.

BTW, what does the alleged letter state ?? Does it EXPLICITLY confers Nass on Muffy ???

[shehzada]

I used to play cricket in Azad Maidan regularly for one of our bohra teams. Taher Qutbuddin used to play in our team too. One person from our team was already drifting away from dawat then, but had his aqida in Aqa Moula ( Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin) at that time. Atleast he used to come in Ramadhan & Moharrum. This person was complaining that he wanted to attend a christmas party however some people in community were objecting. Taher Qutbuddin told this person, that go and tell the community members and even the Amil saheb that Isa nabi ni salgirah chey christmas and it is allrite to party.

This incident is of almost 15 years ago. If the son of someone who has a lofty rank in dawat says so, then we thought it could be right. This person to whom taher qutbuddin gave this advice is an Atheist today. He does not believe in Rasulullah or any prophets. Perhaps Taher Qutubddin did not cause this, but he surely aided in sending this person to where he is now.

Frwd as rcvd

This one is hilarious and once I stopped laughing at this stupid analogy, I realized that Taher Qutbuddin seems like a pretty sane guy, I wish more of our mullah's were open minded about the world around them rather than being scared of it.

[true_bohra]

ohh really....all three witness are dead but do you have doubt on signature of Syedna Muqaddas also...I know you would give an old reply they are forged and fake.

BTW, what does the alleged letter state ?? Does it EXPLICITLY confers Nass on Muffy ???

Yes GM,

it explicitly confers nass on Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin TUS.

It states "Aaj ni Raat ma Al Walad Al Ahab Al Agar Qurratul Ain Bhai Mufaddal Bhai Saifuddin par nass karu chu"

Now what can be as clear and explicit as this.

[husain_angry]

घर से मस्जिद है बहुत दूर चलो यूँ कर लें
किसी रोते हुए बच्चे को हँसाया जाये

[Bohra spring]

I used to play cricket in Azad Maidan regularly for one of our bohra teams. Taher Qutbuddin used to play in our team too. One person from our team was already drifting away from dawat then, but had his aqida in Aqa Moula ( Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin) at that time. Atleast he used to come in Ramadhan & Moharrum. This person was complaining that he wanted to attend a christmas party however some people in community were objecting. Taher Qutbuddin told this person, that go and tell the community members and even the Amil saheb that Isa nabi ni salgirah chey christmas and it is allrite to party.

This incident is of almost 15 years ago. If the son of someone who has a lofty rank in dawat says so, then we thought it could be right. This person to whom taher qutbuddin gave this advice is an Atheist today. He does not believe in Rasulullah or any prophets. Perhaps Taher Qutubddin did not cause this, but he surely aided in sending this person to where he is now.

Frwd as rcvd

This one is hilarious and once I stopped laughing at this stupid analogy, I realized that Taher Qutbuddin seems like a pretty sane guy, I wish more of our mullah's were open minded about the world around them rather than being scared of it.

How is it TQs fault that the guy who went to a Christian event became an atheist . Surely Christians are not atheists .

[zinger]

I used to play cricket in Azad Maidan regularly for one of our bohra teams. Taher Qutbuddin used to play in our team too. One person from our team was already drifting away from dawat then, but had his aqida in Aqa Moula ( Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin) at that time. Atleast he used to come in Ramadhan & Moharrum. This person was complaining that he wanted to attend a christmas party however some people in community were objecting. Taher Qutbuddin told this person, that go and tell the community members and even the Amil saheb that Isa nabi ni salgirah chey christmas and it is allrite to party.

This incident is of almost 15 years ago. If the son of someone who has a lofty rank in dawat says so, then we thought it could be right. This person to whom taher qutbuddin gave this advice is an Atheist today. He does not believe in Rasulullah or any prophets. Perhaps Taher Qutubddin did not cause this, but he surely aided in sending this person to where he is now.

Frwd as rcvd

This one is hilarious and once I stopped laughing at this stupid analogy, I realized that Taher Qutbuddin seems like a pretty sane guy, I wish more of our mullah's were open minded about the world around them rather than being scared of it.

How is it TQs fault that the guy who went to a Christian event became an atheist . Surely Christians are not atheists .

Damn it BS bhai, i played Santa Claus in my society last Christmas.... im surely being sent to the deepest pit.... pray for me BS bhai, what am i gonna do now.... i've been proclaimed an atheist by a shehzada

[anajmi]

As long as you were distributing tiffin it should be fine.

[ghulam muhammed]

Yes GM,

it explicitly confers nass on Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin TUS.

It states "Aaj ni Raat ma Al Walad Al Ahab Al Agar Qurratul Ain Bhai Mufaddal Bhai Saifuddin par nass karu chu

"Now what can be as clear and explicit as this.

I don't doubt your translation and what you said must be true but then the question comes that why such an important announcement on which hinges the faith of Bohras made on an ordinary piece of paper and that too without any official seal of the Dai/Dawat ?? Even a promissory note involving an amount of Rs.5,000/- is made on a proper stamp paper !!

[true_bohra]

It was not on a piece of paper but a proper diary and the reason was that Syedna RA wanted this to remain hidden and he has mentioned this in that statement.

If such a thing was declared on a stamp paper then others would also know about it.

You asked for the seal of Dai, Dont you think that signature of Dai is more important than a seal.

Also one thing to note is that Syedna RA was so cautious about this diary entry that he wrote "abdul qadar" in front of Shk Abdul Husain Shk Ibrahim's name because Miyasaheb Shk Ibrahim yamani's son name is also Shk Abdul Husain which would have created a room for confusion.

I know you guys were not believing Shz Qaid Johar BS and Shz Malekul Ashtar BS as witness of nass but this is a written document testified but Syedna Muqaddas RA himself.

Things get crystal clear with this. While KQ does not even have any witness to declare that nass was done on him.

[ghulam muhammed]

@ true_bohra,

In reply to the points raised by you with regard to the alleged letter written by SMB, I am giving below an extract of the reply as appeared on fatemidawat.com "-

What about the 1388H [1968] letter in which they say Syedna Mohammad Burhanuddin wrote that he was doing nass on Shz Mufaddal bhaisaheb?

Why did the shehzadas say nothing about this letter until now? Why not mention it in the first proclamation in London three years ago? And why leave it out from the lengthy 50-page “nass-nama kitaab” produced four months later, which included the alleged hospital “nass” report, as well as lots of “signs and portents”?

All three of the witnesses listed in this letter are deceased—none can testify to its authenticity.

Especially with today’s technology, it is not impossible to alter documents and recordings.

Syedna Burhanuddin’s Mazoon of 50 years is swearing an oath on the Quran that Syedna Burhanuddin did nass on him—who could be more trustworthy than the Dai and his Mazoon?

If Syedna Burhanuddin had done nass on Shehzada Mufaddal bhaisaheb in 1388H, why would he allow him to do sajda to Syedna Qutbuddin for 22 years afterward? Sajda equals ta’aat/obedience, an acknowledgement of aala maqaam.

… And why would Syedna Burhanuddin not inform Qutbuddin Mola? On the contrary, he confirmed his nass upon Syedna Qutbuddin on several occasions even after 1388 [1968].

… And why would Syedna Burhanuddin not inform Mufaddal bhaisaheb himself, not then, and not for the next 47 years?

In Dawat history, it has never happened that the Dai would withhold the information of nass from his most trusted person, the mansoos, even when he wanted to keep the nass secret from everyone else. And why would he? What if the shahids all died, and the mansoos himself did not know he was the mansoos?

For example, when the 49th dai Syedna Mohammad Burhanuddin did nass on Syedna Abdullah Badruddin, he said to the witnesses that they should only disclose this information after he passed away, “dupatto oraawo pachi zahir karjo,” but he called his mansoos Syedna Abdullah Badruddin the next day and told him of the nass upon him.

When the rutba of Mukasir became open when Syedi Saleh bhaisaheb passed away in 1993, why did Syedna Burhanuddin appoint Shehzada Husain bhaisaheb Husamuddin to the post, and not Shehzada Mufaddal bhaisaheb?

Shaikh Ebrahim Yamani is one of the witnesses/shahids listed on the letter. All through his life, his words and actions show his knowledge of Syedna Burhanuddin’s nass on Syedna Qutbuddin, not on someone else. Both before 1388 and after, he gave extra reverence to Syedna Qutbuddin, even expressing to him his anticipation of Syedna Qutbuddin’s Dai-ship. Why would he do so if he had secret knowledge of a different nass? Moreover, he wrote many publicly recited madehs for Syedna Qutbuddin, in one of which he says, for e.g., “tamay dawat ni raha na qutub chho” normally said only of the Dai.

A historical example of what we are witnessing today is the fitnat against the 27th Dai Syedna Dawood bin Qutub-Shah, where the majority of the family of the previous Dai, Syedna Dawood bin Ajab-Shah, turned against Syedna Dawood bin Qutub-Shah. They then invited Sulayman to spearhead their fitnat. Even Syedna Dawood bin Ajab-Shah’s official letter-writer (Katib) joined the fitnat na logo, and he claimed that Syedna Dawood bin Ajab-Shah had confided to him Sulayman’s name as successor on his deathbed. The Katib concocted a letter in Syedna Dawood bin Ajab-Shah’s name, with Syedna’s official stamp and seal, pronouncing nass on Sulayman. Many people believed this letter was genuine and left Syedna Dawood for Sulayman; the majority of the Yemeni mumineen at that time turned Sulaymani.

http://fatemidawat.com/questions/

[true_bohra]

Yes surely this reply is given on fatemidawat.com but dont you things there are lot of catches in the reply.
1) It was not declared in nass nama because it was revealed when there was a controversy regarding nass.
2) Yes all three shahids are deceased but Syedna Muqaddas RA had passed this diary entry information to Miyasaheb Shk Abdul Husain Al yamani (son of Miyasaheb Shk Ibrahim al yamani) in 1415H who is still alive and can provide further clarification on this.
3) If they believe that Syedna's signature are forged then why they dont come forward and ask for it to see in real. KQ, if he is Mansoos (which he alleges) would surely recognize his naas signature and writings.
4) He wants people to believe him. You see that in 1409 also he wanted people to believe in him but Syedna RA openly declared that Shk Husain Hebatullah is innocent and thrashed all his arguments. He could not win trust since then.
5) Sajda was not given to him being as successor of Syedna RA but for a post of Mazoon which he construed wrongly.
6) Syedna RA did not mention the same to Mufaddal Maula TUS either till 1430. If he alleges that Syedna RA confirmed nass on him after 1388 also, then why are they not mentioning the year and what was stated. Why only they are repeatedly telling of nass of 1388.
7) Yes this has never happened in Dawat history and neither happened this time. The naas declared his nass on his mansoos at right time and in right circumstances. KQ is doubting with conditionals like "what if", this means he is doubting on Syedna RA decision giving which he should not do if he has so much taa'at for the Dai.
It is never a compulsion in Dawat history that a mansoos should hold offices of Mazoon or Mukasir before coming to the post of Dai. Was Syedna Taher Saifuddin a Mazoon or Mukasir???? How can an ex mazoon be so much illiterate about Dawat history.
9) Miyasaheb Shk Ibrahim Moinuddin al yamani has written all those madehs in favour of him being a mazoon and not a mansoos. There is a madeh posted on website www.believesyednaqutbuddin.com for Mufaddal Maula TUS written by miyasaheb. The isharas are brighter in that madeh than what KQ is alleging.

[Maqbool]

5) Sajda was not given to him being as successor of Syedna RA but for a post of Mazoon which he construed wrongly.

When the nuss declared in hospital 3 years ago the whole scenario changed Mazoon saheb KQ was on his post, but then why he was not kept on second position? And all of a sudden mansoos has got that position.

[true_bohra]

Ex mazoons place was never taken back from him....its that he never showed up after the nass..

[shehzada]

True-Bohra, you lost me with your first point and I did not bother reading any further. They are saying that the nass happened 47 years ago but then did the whole hospital drama of a nass. What was the need for that if the nass had happened already with 3 witnesses and a signature? I understand that you are drinking the koolaid but your argument is very weak. I'm not saying that the SKQ argument is any stronger but at least he was the 2nd in command for the last 50 years.

[ghulam muhammed]

@true_bohra,

This entire issue is very critical and every bohra is watching the whole drama very keenly as their very faith is at stake, the nuances, nitty grittys and intricacies involved in such a matter is beyond the reach of majority bohras as they are not qualified enough to understand the whole issue purely from a religious point of view................... NOW, Why doesn't SMS agree to have a "Mubahila" with SKQ and put the controversy to rest once and for all, in all likelihood it will be an open debate and truth will prevail and the imposter will be unmasked, bohras can then heave a sigh of relief once and for all !!

[Maqbool]

Ex mazoons place was never taken back from him....its that he never showed up after the nass..

Is this is the answer to my question?

[true_bohra]

@maqbool:
Yes nass did happen 47 years before but it was kept hidden. Nobody knew about it except for the 3 sahebs.

Syedna RA got a right time to decare it openly and he did it in London. So whats the big deal. The diary pages were taken for only reason that there were people objecting and were having doubt that Syedna RA did not utter any words and nass cannot be accepted.

Only for this reason this the diary pages were taken out and showed to public so that there is no room for doubt.

You must read other points which I have mentioned. It would surely help you.

[AMAFHH]

[quote="true_bohra"]@maqbool:
Yes nass did happen 47 years before but it was kept hidden. Nobody knew about it except for the 3 sahebs.

Syedna RA got a right time to decare it openly and he did it in London. So whats the big deal.


Brother
if you can please tell your new Dai and his team to Present the Recording of London hospital if they have
so that will clear all the doubts from everyone's mind and no one can question him anymore

[Biradar]

This so-called letter is almost 100% a fake. First, lets assume it was really written. Then, after the nass was allegedly done, why keep it hidden any longer? If the nass was really done that long ago, and SBM (RA) did make the nass public two years ago, then it was pointless keeping this letter a secret any longer. In the nass bayans after the hospital drama, no mention was made of this old nass, 47 years ago. Also, it is hard to believe that a few days after the alleged nass in the hospital, the Sayedna was unable to coherently speak in Raudat Tahera and confirm this in an unambiguous manner. To say that they are only showing it to clear doubts, is totally disingenuous.

Also, at this "letter" is not a letter at all., but a dairy entry, not in the hand of the Sayedna. It is possible that early on the tenure of SMB (RA), this dairy was forged and the Sayedna's seal used to stamp it. As is clear, the brothers of the Sayedna, specially Yusuf Najmudin had great hatred against the SKQ. It is not out of bounds that a conspiracy was hatched soon after the Sayedna became the da'i, thinking he will not last as long as he did.

The most likely scenario is that after the brain stroke, the doctors told the shehzadas that the Sayedna will not last long. So they panicked, hatching a conspiracy. They quickly flew him back to Mumbai, knowing full well that SMB (RA) had lost his ability to speak and probably his rationality, and would not be able to put up any resistance to their conspiracy. Also, providentially, SMB (RA), survived for two more years, giving ample time for SMS to show what type of a mad-mullah Talibani he really is.

Whatever the truth, it is clear that the da'i has absolutely no authority any longer to say he is infallible. The new two claimants are unable to prove their claims beyond a reasonable doubt. Also, SBM failed miserably, if in his 50 years he was unable to make his intentions clear. All these secrets he kept have caused hardship to the community. Hence, he failed in his most important duty, to appoint his successor unambiguously. So, in his passing he showed that all the praise we hear for da'i's is just that: empty praise. They are as human as any of us, not above the lust for power, money, and courtly intrigue.

If nothing else, this sorry and sad drama has shown to the Bohras that they should trust their mullahs less. The ridiculous behavior that SMS has done after the SMB (RA)'s death is testament to his incompetence. He is nothing but a fanatic, a crazy despot, and under his rule the Bohras can expect to be further subjugated and suppressed. Just wait for a few more weeks, after the Chehlum he will fully exercise his strength, and make the life of all the Bohras miserable, just like he did in the last two years. Humiliation, public shaming, forcing things down people's throat will be the norm. And, only Allah can help the women under this misogynist mullah's rule.

[true_bohra]

@biradar:

If you think that this diary entry is fake then its your wish to believe because if you cant consider the Dai to be a real Dai then there is no hope that you would believe on this diary page.

I have already mentioned that this hidden secret was not required to be revealed because Syedna RA himself declared the nass openly. This diary entry was presented because KQ had claims of Daiship. This diary is not for the believers of Syedna RA but for those who doubted Syedna's decision.

You have not seen the diary pages clearly. It is not sealed but signed by Syedna RA himself.

Syedna RA got stroke in 1432H while this nass was done way before so there is no need for you to put ur brains into feeling some controversy.

If you feel that Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin TUS is not the right Dai, the Registeration is open on www.fatemidawat.com

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[humble_servant_us]

If muffaddal bs is right why is he not having a ilmi debate with khozema bs. This will end all controversies and make things crystal clear. And if he is a true representative of allah(swt) he should be open for it.

[Biradar]

@biradar:
If you think that this diary entry is fake then its your wish to believe because if you cant consider the Dai to be a real Dai then there is no hope that you would believe on this diary page.

One can also say the same about you: you have made up your mind that SMS is the real deal, and so you will uncritically accept any "evidence" that is thrown your way. The basic questions remain unanswered: once nass allegedly occurred in the hospital, after that there were no secrets, and this letter, if authentic, should have surfaced. However, it did not, because it did not exist, most likely, or was a forgery done as part of a conspiracy long time ago. Also, just because the seal and signature exists, does not mean a thing. It is not hard to forge these. The supposed witnesses are dead, and SMS himself did not know about this letter. So, it is suspect.

Please remember, such "genuine" letter have been produced in the past: Sulayman bin Hassan also did so. Also, the 48 da'i allegedly wrote a letter confessing that he and his predecessor were just caretakers. This letter is the cause of much hardship and strain in the community, something you would know if you knew any history and had any critical thinking skills left.

Also, you cut-paste nonsense about sajdaa. Leaving aside the more fundamental issue about sajdaa, please let us know in which book it says that sajdaa should be done to mazoon? Please do. Everyone, early in the reign of SMB (RA), knew the "secret" that SKQ was high in his favor (and in the favor of STS (RA)), and all signs indicated that he would follow his brother as the next da'i. So they did sajdaa to him, recognizing his stature. Now, you may be unaware, but Sayedi Hakimuddin (in Burhanpur) was a mazoon and the nass had been done on him. However, he passed away before the previous da'i and so never held the position of da'i. Please note, that even the Sayedna does sajdaa near his grave, so do all who visit his mazaar. Why? Not because he was a mazoon, but he was a mansoos also. Sajdaa is not offered near the grave of any other mazoon, even very famous ones.

In any case, I do not care one way or the other. For me, I already knew long time ago that da'i i just a religious head, fallible and human just like the rest of us. Allah has given us brains, and made Islam simple to follow. There is no need for any of these people to tell me how to lead my life.