Namaz for money?

[M Taha]

can any shia on board explain me this?

http://www.makeupsalat.com/home/

[scared]

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[Muslim First]

Excellent post

Another money making idea for Kothar

Missed Namaaz for deceased parents

Variable rates charged by Dai
Dai pretender
Dai's brother, sons, nephews, niceses etc.
Other minor Shehzada, royal family
Aamils
Sheiks and other title holders
Non Aamil jamiya graduates
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Off ours RAZA is required so Kothar gets commission

Namaz can also be performed for busy Bohras, lazy Bohras etc.

I am going to write business plan for my part time MBA course.

Wish me success

[james]

Excellent post

Another money making idea for Kothar

Missed Namaaz for deceased parents

Variable rates charged by Dai
Dai pretender
Dai's brother, sons, nephews, niceses etc.
Other minor Shehzada, royal family
Aamils
Sheiks and other title holders
Non Aamil jamiya graduates
Add to List

Off ours RAZA is required so Kothar gets commission

Namaz can also be performed for busy Bohras, lazy Bohras etc.

I am going to write business plan for my part time MBA course.

Wish me success

Give it a rest. Don't make everything about the bohras.

[M Taha]

this is shia ithna ashari website, first I thought it is a joke, but then I came to know they are serious.

I can understand some body can read Quraan as fathiya and make dua if some gifts are given to them, but how can some one read namaaz is out of my understanding.

[Muslim First]

Give it a rest. Don't make everything about the bohras.

Sorry if I gave impression that it was Bohra practice.

I hope Kothar does not get idea from this site and go into business of doing Namaaz for others.

[james]

Give it a rest. Don't make everything about the bohras.

Sorry if I gave impression that it was Bohra practice.

I hope Kothar does not get idea from this site and go into business of doing Namaaz for others.

Are you saying that you didn't visit the link and you automatically thought Bohras ? Is Old Age catching up with you ?

[hadi]

Salam
Interesting topic, I contacted the site after seeing this post yesterday and I asked them what is the basis of this. apparently, there are hadiths that discuss this issue so it's not baseless so as to say. They posted an article yesterday with four narrations which are deemed correct in accordance to sayid khoie. As far as ithna ashari shia scholars are concerned, sayid khoie is very strict in analyzing hadiths, and rejects most of the narrations due to his method of conservative strictness.
Being an ithna ashari myself, I don't know how reliable ithna ashari scholars are according to the Bohras but I did notice that nahjul balagha is posted on this site and that was written by a well known ithna ashari scholar (sayed shareef al radhi)

Here is the article link http://makeupsalat.com/home/2014/02/18/ ... ulbait-as/

I also know that bohras are a part of the Ismaili sect and 3 out of the four hadiths are narrated by imam Jafar al Sadiq the fourth Hadith is narrated by Musa al kazim which I think Bohras do not take as reliable or as an imam at least.

I do not know much about the bohras and an eager to learn so if some one is willing to teach me I will be an attentive student.

I have studied the ithna ashari religion for 20 years now and if any one has a question about ithna asharis I would be glad to help as well

I hope nothing I said was offensive God know my intention was not to offend any one rather it was just to inform and be informed inshallah

[scared]

Here is the article link http://makeupsalat.com/home/2014/02/18/ ... ulbait-as/

I looked at the article. Not one hadith actually talks about paying money for salaah or fasting. It says I can fast on somebody's behalf but I don't think I can extrapolate that to mean that I can pay somebody else to fast on behalf of somebody.

[hadi]

You are correct about what you said about the hadiths. However, there are other hadiths that say if you are doing anything on someone's behalf you can take money. I will collect these hadiths for you and post them as soon as I can.

[scared]

if you are doing anything on someone's behalf you can take money.

Dear Hadi,

If you are taking money, then you are not doing it on somebody's behalf. You are only doing it on your own behalf.
Truly doing it on somebody's behalf would not involve any gain for the doer, except what Allah sees fit.

[hadi]

I see your point from an ethical stand point. However, there are a few issues that do arise. It is obligatory on the eldest son to make up all the lapsed prayers of his parents, so if a persons parents died and the parents missed for example some 20 years of prayers, it becomes difficult to fulfil that obligation physically. And Allah knows that humans are greedy in the sense that they won't pray 20 years for someone's lapsed prayers for free so tge son can pay some one to help fulfil the obligation. I still owe the readers the hadiths I promised I am looking through the books now and will translate them ASAP.

[M Taha]

no one can pray namaz on behalf of some one else, period.

there can be billion books and thesis on this topic, but logic and common sense is biggest of all.

Allah clearly says "no one will carry burden of some one else"

[scared]

It is obligatory on the eldest son to make up all the lapsed prayers of his parents,

I do not know of any such obligation in Islam. A son can pray for his deceased father, but cannot make up for his father's missed prayers, and does not need to. Allah says in the Quran, do not make things difficult for yourself. There is a famous story about the night of meraj when the prophet (saw) was given 50 fard prayers and he got them reduced to 5. We cannot increase the number of fard from 5. So making up for your father's prayers cannot be an obligation.

[Muslim First]

It is obligatory on the eldest son to make up all the lapsed prayers of his parents,

I do not know of any such obligation in Islam. A son can pray for his deceased father, but cannot make up for his father's missed prayers, and does not need to. Allah says in the Quran, do not make things difficult for yourself. There is a famous story about the night of meraj when the prophet (saw) was given 50 fard prayers and he got them reduced to 5. We cannot increase the number of fard from 5. So making up for your father's prayers cannot be an obligation.

Why just poor oldest son?
Why society and culture heaps all kind of responsibility on oldest kids?
I have seen most of time younger one gets away.

[think]

also another point to ponder; how come if an old person cannot perform haj we send some one else to do haj for him or her. Secondly , even at the time of haj if some old person cannot do the tawaf, he or she can hire a palki (a small seat carried by 4 men) and he or she can sit comfortably on this seat and the palki carriers do the tawaf with the person sitting on the seat.

[godmoney]

12 Adabs of Masjid
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>>>>>> Here are the NEW 12 adabs:
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>>>>>> 1. when you enter a masjid, forget about reciting any dua to allah, just think about getting your smart card scanned by the volunteers stationed at the door
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>>>>>> 2. also have your entry pass scanned and then be told which color coded section of the masjid you have to be seated in.
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>>>>>> 3. be prepared to pay 'voluntary compulsory' hoob, hoob for what, is not yours to question, but pay you must or face eviction, public humiliation and future degradation
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>>>>>> 4. watch movies on safar mubaraks of mola or mansoos, relays of past bayans or his meetings with politicians, celebrities, actors, leaders etc
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>>>>>> 5. pray only fard namaaz, sunnat namaz be damned.
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>>>>>> 6. listen to bayaans around mola so that the aamil can get plum postings in bigger and richer towns where the pickings are plentiful, chances to accumulate wealth are stronger and he can retire early after amassing great fortune
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>>>>>> 7. have a nice and pleasant nap and be woken up when the zakereen or amil suddenly raise their voices into shrill shrieks, and. once the short bouts of hysteria are over,fall into a warm reverie again...zzzz
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>>>>>> 8. once all the mandatory yelling, shrieking, gesticulating are over, rush to form thaals, looking frantically for your usual thaal gang as if it's a matter of life and death
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>>>>>> 9. fall upon the niyaaz jaman as if there is no tomorrow, like hungry wolves who would tear apart the volunteers from limb to limb and rend them asunder. demand more boti's, icecream, kharaas, etc from that close upri friend of yours, specially cultivated for that purpose
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>>>>>> 10. follow the namaaz pecking order, i.e. do not encroach on the 'reserved' spaces of the milk shaikhs, mullas, jamaat committee and tanzeem members, amil's chamchas, the wealthy and the privileged etc etc. know your place, you fool!
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>>>>>> 11. participate in devotional shows by kids and adults who fall over and compete with each other in demonstrating their love for mola, with huge greeting cards, cakes, madehs, winning the tulul umr dua max. no recited etc etc.
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>>>>>> 12. and finally, lining up in front of the dreaded amil for annual payment of wajebaat, where you will be publicly shamed and humiliated, belittled, reduced to a quivering jelly, a nervous chattering wreck, returning home in tears, your pockets and bank account lightened by a few thousands..

[hadi]

i apologize for the late response. I checked the books for the past week and most of the scholars say this about the subject.

the fact that money is allowed to be taken for namaz is based on two introductions. The first one is the fact that you are allowed to pray on behalf of a deceased believer. (by allowed i mean it is mubah. so in this case the eldest son is not involved if it is accepted that it is obligatory on him to fulfill the past prayers of his parents)

the second introduction is that fact that it is permissible to take money for anything that is mubah. and the hadiths on this are beyond numerous (just grab any hadeeth book that talks about transactions)

hence if praying on behalf of the deceased is mubah and your allowed to take wage for any mubah action, than logically you are allowed to get paid for praying on behalf of someone else.