cannot understand abde

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think
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cannot understand abde

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Unread post by think » Fri Feb 28, 2014 12:17 pm

cannot figure out the abde thought process. Firstly they give huge amounts of money every year in advance to the kothar. The reason being for the safety of their health and wealth. Now if someone gets sick ,the first thing on their mind is aarzi to moula but at the same time they take the sick person to the doctor. The doctor treats the patient and he becomes well. The common sentence is "moula ni duaa se shifa thai gai". Well, if you are giving all this money every year to your moula to guard your health and wealth, then why did you become sick in the first place?
That means there is a higher authority of "Allah", the ever living and everlasting to everlasting who is in control and is the real aqa moula who is far, far and far more powerful than your moula. Is it not better to put your trust in him instead of bewe moula and three moula and four moula who perish like everyone else.. As it is they are in conflict among themselves to start with. Is it not better to believe and put your trust in the one "Allah".?
Yes, positively do charity work . give it to the helpless and needy and the orphans. Do not give your money to the kothar because that is not charity. you are just lining their pockets. They spend it on themselves. The proof is starring at you. Look at their opulance lifestyle.

perspective
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Re: cannot understand abde

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Unread post by perspective » Fri Feb 28, 2014 3:10 pm

@think
1) Now from where did you heard that money given to kothar is for health and wealth
2)Second there is nothing wrong with arzi
In Islam one should seek medical treatment when he or she is ill
3)Now I will explain this term
"moula ni duaa se shifa thai gai".
Allah taala gives sickness to pure your sins but give you the permission of seeking medical treatment at same time
Now moula ni dua means that dua is directed to Allah taala asking for permission to heal.
4) Now giving money in charity doesn't ensure that you will not become sick but it will eliminate many problems you became sick and it will happen unless Allah taala ignores your sin

And finally there are different kinds of dua
Dua did by normal being and dua did by duats

ghulam muhammed
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Re: cannot understand abde

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Sat Mar 01, 2014 6:14 pm

think wrote: cannot figure out the abde thought process.
Abdes themselves cannot figure out their thought process, they cannot understand how the clergy fools them into parting with their hard earned money, how they queue up in front of their masters and shower lakhs when they refuse to give even a few thousands to the needy and their own relatives and lastly how they feel proud after doing all this instead of realising that they have been fooled and screwed royally !!

trvoice
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Re: cannot understand abde

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Unread post by trvoice » Sat Mar 01, 2014 7:51 pm

its the social competition, everyone wants to get noticed. And I agree 100% with GM's comment, they will spend lakhs on their master but would not help the needy.