Bohra SMS Duniya

[zohair1977]

while some would view it as an act of slavery, some would view it as an act of respect. As a Dai, i can guess one is entitled to the respect

This used to be the case in the time of Burhanuddin Maula too, im sure you would remember that.

These days however, it happens in front of Aamils too, which i find quite amusing

Well Mr, Zinger I don't understand and support any Un-Islamic act encouraged and established by any one including our Aqa Maula(s).

But I fully agree that if a person is genuinely at higher position (in that case at any location such as work, parents, school/college, etc) then that person is entitled to the respect. But please note that it is very thin line between act of slavery and act to respect, and one can easily fall into act of slavery if they don't understand what they are doing and simply blindly follows others.

Be honest and tell be that why almost every abde folds their hands and cry saying maola maola madad (and may other minnants and requests). Is maula really going to help any of us directly? Does not act of respect becomes act of slavery? The strange thing is that they know this very well but they let it go because it gives them more powers and die heart fans.

Hope I am making sense here...

[rational_guy]

Why do people keep their hands folded at such times?

Also how come Shehzada Qusai Bhaisaheb is not folding his hands and standing panchgani photo. He did that for the 52nd Dai.

[MMH]

Why do people keep their hands folded at such times?

Also how come Shehzada Qusai Bhaisaheb is not folding his hands and standing panchgani photo. He did that for the 52nd Dai.

Qusai b.s..??? I don't know who that is in the pic.. I think that's Shz Hussain b.s, MS's youngest son..the quran hafiz..I could be wrong.

My point is that when the photograph was taken the people folded the hands to pose for the pic..I can agree to the adulation for the dai but its a bit unnatural considering its raining..maybe I find it odd because I have my reservations about MS..

[humanbeing]

But please note that it is very thin line between act of slavery and act to respect,...

Actually the line between respect and slavery is very distinct and thick for one to notice easily. What abdes do is slavery, any truthful leader in any position does not command or expect its followers to stand in such position. What abdes are doing is either slavery or worshipping. They deny worship so they are doing slavery.
There is no respect here, because respect has to be reciprocated by the leader, and a leader who allows, promotes, encourages such expression of slavery is not worth respecting..

[AmmarHussaini]

just got whats up message :

Be-humdillah Qutbi maula is open to new ideas and believes in open discussion and voice of momeenin, every momeen feel free to participate.
http://qutbibohras.boards.net/

[Akhtiar Wahid]

i do not think this is authentic, its an act of mischief by muffadali clan.
they are enforcing Qutbi Bohras label to them, well as they consider themselves as the authentic and rightful dawoodi bohras.

[AmmarHussaini]

I tried to dig out details and it looks like people behind forum are very professional and operating from USA

[alam]

I tried to dig out details and it looks like people behind forum are very professional and operating from USA

Professional and operating from USA is no indicator of authenticity.
If it were authentic from SKQ side, there would (or will be soon) be an announcement and link from their official website fatemidawat.com

[ghulam muhammed]

Forwarded as received :-

Salam... Aqa Mola tus ye karam ane ehsan farmavi aawti kaal ni Qadambosi ni bethak ma hujaj ne yaad farmaya che. Aap sagla na hastak je sagla hujaj register hoi ye sagla ne aawti kaal ni bethak ni khabar urgently karo ane 11,000, 14,000 and 21,000 na Najwa-as-shukr araz kari bethak ni passes Faiz-e-Huseini Mumbai ni office si aawti kaale levaani rehse. Je sagla mumenin hazir thanar hoi ehna naam, e-jamat ane contact nos email na zariye Faiz ma urgently moklo. Passes limited che tesi jald si jald inform kari hujaj nu confirmation Faiz ni office thi haasil kari le. Koi bhi hujaj potana watan si Faiz si pass nu confirmation kida bagair nikle nahi.. Further instructions will follow.... Shukran.

[DisillusionedDB]

Forwarded as received :-

Salam... Aqa Mola tus ye karam ane ehsan farmavi aawti kaal ni Qadambosi ni bethak ma hujaj ne yaad farmaya che. Aap sagla na hastak je sagla hujaj register hoi ye sagla ne aawti kaal ni bethak ni khabar urgently karo ane 11,000, 14,000 and 21,000 na Najwa-as-shukr araz kari bethak ni passes Faiz-e-Huseini Mumbai ni office si aawti kaale levaani rehse. Je sagla mumenin hazir thanar hoi ehna naam, e-jamat ane contact nos email na zariye Faiz ma urgently moklo. Passes limited che tesi jald si jald inform kari hujaj nu confirmation Faiz ni office thi haasil kari le. Koi bhi hujaj potana watan si Faiz si pass nu confirmation kida bagair nikle nahi.. Further instructions will follow.... Shukran.

"Najwa-as-shukr" is "karam ane ehsan"

[zinger]

while some would view it as an act of slavery, some would view it as an act of respect. As a Dai, i can guess one is entitled to the respect

This used to be the case in the time of Burhanuddin Maula too, im sure you would remember that.

These days however, it happens in front of Aamils too, which i find quite amusing

Well Mr, Zinger I don't understand and support any Un-Islamic act encouraged and established by any one including our Aqa Maula(s).

But I fully agree that if a person is genuinely at higher position (in that case at any location such as work, parents, school/college, etc) then that person is entitled to the respect. But please note that it is very thin line between act of slavery and act to respect, and one can easily fall into act of slavery if they don't understand what they are doing and simply blindly follows others.

Be honest and tell be that why almost every abde folds their hands and cry saying maola maola madad (and may other minnants and requests). Is maula really going to help any of us directly? Does not act of respect becomes act of slavery? The strange thing is that they know this very well but they let it go because it gives them more powers and die heart fans.

Hope I am making sense here...

Zohair bhai, you make perfect sense, and honestly, you are free to understand and support whatever you believe in. if you feel folding hands is wrong, then by all means, dont.

and yes, in support of what humanbeing has said, the line is indeed very thick. and people fold hands in front of the Dai out of respect and not slavery. but as for kids doing it, yes, they are blindly following what their parents are doing.

as for making minnats and requests, well, thats a Shia belief, the power of intercession and enough has been discussed on it and i will not go into that

[zinger]

But please note that it is very thin line between act of slavery and act to respect,...

Actually the line between respect and slavery is very distinct and thick for one to notice easily. What abdes do is slavery, any truthful leader in any position does not command or expect its followers to stand in such position. What abdes are doing is either slavery or worshipping. They deny worship so they are doing slavery.
There is no respect here, because respect has to be reciprocated by the leader, and a leader who allows, promotes, encourages such expression of slavery is not worth respecting..

you are absolutely right. what both parties, the Dawoodi Bohras and the Dai are doing is born out of years of habit.
The Dai is used to being respected and Dawoodi Bohras are used to giving respect.
How much of it is earned and how much is habit is another discussion though

There is no condition that respect has to be reciprocated. NaMo gets respect but never gives any in return. teachers and bosses expect but are not expected to return it (although that would be the right thing to do)

[truth seeker100]

while some would view it as an act of slavery, some would view it as an act of respect. As a Dai, i can guess one is entitled to the respect

This used to be the case in the time of Burhanuddin Maula too, im sure you would remember that.

These days however, it happens in front of Aamils too, which i find quite amusing

ok bhai but what has muffy done to deserve respect? he is not at all qualified to be a dai, he is a 7th grade failure and can't speak english. can you please tell me some of his qualities that entitle hi to any respect?

[alam]

you are absolutely right. what both parties, the Dawoodi Bohras and the Dai are doing is born out of years of habit.
The Dai is used to being respected and Dawoodi Bohras are used to giving respect.
How much of it is earned and how much is habit is another discussion though

There is no condition that respect has to be reciprocated. NaMo gets respect but never gives any in return. teachers and bosses expect but are not expected to return it (although that would be the right thing to do)

Zingerbhai, alas, I am pleased to read you recognize this! Others have discussed this at Length also in different ways about mental conditioning. It is not just respect that we do out of habit. This is symbolic, and actually applies to so many areas of Dawoodi Bohra social, behavioral and emotional functioning.
We are creatures of decades of conditioning. How tough is it to break my chai habit! Or my nose picking habit! Or a sugar habit. Addictions to substances - virtually impossible to eliminate, but can be done, smoking, alcohol, overeating, and nowadays internet browsing. How hard is it to recognize these as unhealthy habits? Leave aside getting help? And then actually Changing into more healthy habits.

We in the Bohra culture have been habituated to "perceive" and "assume" the essential "black vs white" nature of our religious doctrine. We are programmed into taking for granted as TRUTH and NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH, whatever is said by our Dai. Because of this, abuses and excesses have been committed by Aqa Maula's family, agents Kothar, Aamil. That is precisely how our religion and beliefs have been so gradually hijacked. Becaue we are habituated to "not question anything", we have become Habituated to "Accept everything".

The first step is to RECOGNIZE that we are on auto-pilot mode, in robotic mode. You, me, our bhaio and behnos, our parents and grandparents, etc. etc..
Of course, there are many, many more steps to take. . .

[dal-chaval-palidu]

truth seeker100,

I have my doubts about the nass and some of the bayans and actions of Muffadal Moula have really turned me off, but I must admit that passing more than 7th grade or the ability to speak good English is not the criteria for a dai. That Muffadal Moula does not have either of the two attriutes is not good, but it is not clear that is any basis of disaqualification for this position. After all, our prophet (PBUH) was unlettered, most of the dais up until now were not formally educated either.

[zinger]

you are absolutely right. what both parties, the Dawoodi Bohras and the Dai are doing is born out of years of habit.
The Dai is used to being respected and Dawoodi Bohras are used to giving respect.
How much of it is earned and how much is habit is another discussion though

There is no condition that respect has to be reciprocated. NaMo gets respect but never gives any in return. teachers and bosses expect but are not expected to return it (although that would be the right thing to do)

Zingerbhai, alas, IM ASSUMING YOU MEANT AT LAST AND NOT ALAS I am pleased to read you recognize this! Others have discussed this at Length also in different ways about mental conditioning. It is not just respect that we do out of habit. This is symbolic, and actually applies to so many areas of Dawoodi Bohra social, behavioral and emotional functioning.
We are creatures of decades of conditioning. How tough is it to break my chai habit! Or my nose picking habit! Or a sugar habit. Addictions to substances - virtually impossible to eliminate , but can be done, smoking, alcohol, overeating, and nowadays internet browsing. YEP, CAN BE DONE How hard is it to recognize these as unhealthy habits? Leave aside getting help? And then actually Changing into more healthy habits.

We in the Bohra culture have been habituated to "perceive" and "assume" the essential "black vs white" nature of our religious doctrine. We are programmed into taking for granted as TRUTH and NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH, whatever is said by our Dai. Because of this, abuses and excesses have been committed by Aqa Maula's family, agents Kothar, Aamil. That is precisely how our religion and beliefs have been so gradually hijacked. Becaue we are habituated to "not question anything", we have become Habituated to "Accept everything".THAT IS TRUE. EVEN NOW, IT IS NOT THAT I DONT BELIEVE IN THE DAI, I BELIEVE MUFADDAL MAULA IS, AS OF NOW, THE LEGALLY APPOINTED DAI, THERE IS PROOF, UNCLEAR AS IT MAY BE, BUT PROOF NONETHLESS THAT HE IS THE NEXT DAI, BUT YES,I CANNOT TOLEARTE SOME OF HIS POLICIES. PUT IT DOWN TO HIKMAT, BUT I HAVE DECIDED TO TAKE HIKMAT WITH SOME DOUBT

The first step is to RECOGNIZE that we are on auto-pilot mode, in robotic mode. You, me, our bhaio and behnos, our parents and grandparents, etc. etc..
Of course, there are many, many more steps to take. . .

[silvertongue]

After all, our prophet (PBUH) was unlettered

The biggest myth in Islamic history and its sad that its been so much spread by the haters of Ahlul Bayt that Rasulallah was unlettered. How can one be unlettered who has the best teacher, Allah swt himself. Remember what the first ayat was revealed to him. "READ, READ IN THE NAME OF YOUR LORD"..And he read it. We simply dont call him Madinat ul Ilm. Those who believe that the prophet couldnt read and write are simply wronging themselves and are unaware what theyll face on the day of judgement. If he was unlettered then why he said during the final times, "Bring me a pen and paper and i will write down something that you will never go astray".. He knew everything brothers. Woe on those who degrade the merits of our Beloved Nabi a.s. by calling him such..

[MMH]

RIDA - OUR JEWEL

OUR MAULA'S GIFT !


Rida is our most precious Jewel, It's Our Maula's Gift to us Muminaat, Our Maula want us to become like a jewel, the most precious and pure.


Muminaat word is used for Us Muminaat, why not women? 


The reason is simple, We are the chosen ones, the blessed ones. Our Maula wants us to be unique, special and hence, given us this special gift of Rida. Rida, the Jewel of Our Maula's Mohabbat.


Let's see the Barakaat  of  Rida:


1.  MAULA'S KHUSHI MUBARAK: Rida Apna Aqa Ane Maula Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin Maula RA ane Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin Maula TUS aapni khushi haasil karva nu sabab chhe.


2.  UNIQUE IDENTITY: It gives us a Unique Identity,Makes us stand out in the crowd.Our very own Identity.


3.  SYMBOL OF RESPECT AND TRUST: Our Rida not only earns us Respect but also Trust. 


4.  ENHANCES ZEENAT: Rida enhances muminaats beauty, it camouflages the flaws if any.After adorning this Jewel, no other jewel is needed to enhance a muminaat's beauty.


5.  APNAPANU:  Right, Rida ma Apnapanu chhe, Its amazing how we instantly get connected to Apnawala because Apnapanu chhe. Apna Bewe Maula na Ehsaan chhe.


6.  LIHAZ IN PARDA: Today, Muminaat are doing everything in Rida, we have prefessionals wearing Rida to work, Young girls are participating in sports with full Lihaz in Rida.Infact, last year in Maaraz I learnt about Sports Rida. Amazing....Right?


7.  SENSE OF SECURITY: Rida not only enhances a Muminaat's beauty but also protects us and gives us a sense of security.


8.  GUIDES US:  Adorning Rida, it constantly reminds us of our duties as a Muminaat and always keeps us on the track, that we always do Amal to attain our Maula's Khushi Mubarak and keep sowing seeds of good deeds.


Still there are some who wear Rida only while going to Masjid or Mazar Mubarak. And even more annoying is some wear Rida on western outfits.


This year, during Ashara Mubarakah, In waaz talaqqi session in Fatemi Masjid, Raudat Tahera, one muminaat bahen gave a very nice example, an eye openerfor those who wear Rida on western outfits.


She said, just imagine if right now suddenly Aqa Maula TUS gives Qadambosi Sharaf to Muminaat baheno,then will you be able to go forward for Qadambosi knowing the fact what you are wearing inside?


Rida should be worn with full respect and dignity.The more precious you think you are, the more protected you should keep yourself from people's gaze.


Some points to remember :


*  Don't make ghagra like a skirt, it should not be very tight like a skirt.


*  Make small bows with your pardi  kas, looks decent. Simple tying of Kas can speak volume about your personality.


*  Avoid wearing Rida which has Pardi of one colour and ghagra of other.


*  The length of the pardi should atleast reach the wrist.


*  The length of the ghagra should atleast reach the ankle.


*  If possible select thick cloth material for Rida


The above are the points that I have come across during Rida Maaraz and Rida Learning Workshop, Do share if you have any more points.


Having said  Rida is a Jewel, Our Maula has gifted us, would like to add one more thing here.....


Remember a Jewel is gifted only to someone special, Maula has chosen us ,We are the fortunate ones that Maula has gifted us this Jewel.Alhamdolillah!

It is Every Muminaat's wish to attain Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin Maula RA and Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin Maula TUS's Khushi and Rida Mubarak.


May Allah give us the Taufiq to wear Rida always and also understand its Fazilat.


Khuda Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin Maula RA, aapna Azimush Shaan Mansoos,  Dai az Zaamaan, Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin Maula Ni umar sharif ne qayamat na din lag daraz  ane daraz karjo, Aameen.

[silvertongue]

Agreed.... Good point and well noted.

[Akhtiar Wahid]

@MMH bhai or Bhen, i do not know your gender sorry,
So you mean to say that Ladies from Muslimeen Ummah the Whole Ummah e ahle sunna and Shias who wear Burkha as there religious decent clothing (Their Jewel) are not the chosen, SMB (RA) was a Dai he was not any manifestation of god messenger or his representative, so Whatever he said about Rida as a selected outfit for chosen people like us bohras is it completely right!?!
At the time of Prophet there was Hijab and Burkha and yes all the companions and Muminaat during that time were also the chosen one.
So this specifically pointing out Rida factor, is complete Bull crap!
and the funny part is SPORTS RIDA, ridiculous!

[silvertongue]

Rida when decent and simple looks good. But i do agree that what theyev made out of fashion does attracts and secondly, has lost its prestige when comes to multicolors and fashionable ornaments attached to it.

[truth seeker100]

truth seeker100,

I have my doubts about the nass and some of the bayans and actions of Muffadal Moula have really turned me off, but I must admit that passing more than 7th grade or the ability to speak good English is not the criteria for a dai. That Muffadal Moula does not have either of the two attriutes is not good, but it is not clear that is any basis of disaqualification for this position. After all, our prophet (PBUH) was unlettered, most of the dais up until now were not formally educated either.

Ok but what qualifications does he have to be a dai?? I have never herd him give an interesting bayan on anything to do witj islam. Only thing he seems to say in any of his bayaans are that abdes should give him money.

[MMH]

@MMH bhai or Bhen, i do not know your gender sorry,
So you mean to say that Ladies from Muslimeen Ummah the Whole Ummah e ahle sunna and Shias who wear Burkha as there religious decent clothing (Their Jewel) are not the chosen, SMB (RA) was a Dai he was not any manifestation of god messenger or his representative, so Whatever he said about Rida as a selected outfit for chosen people like us bohras is it completely right!?!
At the time of Prophet there was Hijab and Burkha and yes all the companions and Muminaat during that time were also the chosen one.
So this specifically pointing out Rida factor, is complete Bull crap!
and the funny part is SPORTS RIDA, ridiculous!

Hi akhtar bhai...I am mmh ben...

this post is as received on whatsapp...in no ways does it represent my view of the rida. I do wear rida with a lot of pride as I am proud of my bohra community but in no way is it a reflection of my point of view. In fact I think the person who wrote it is subjugating his/her point of view as the khushi of burhanuddin moula.

in fact I think what this person is saying makes it even more difficult for people who want ro start wearing ridas as it cannot be a fashion garment. I mean there is no harm in wearing something stylish and trendy as long as you are covered. So I am not in agreement to most of the stuff on this post. I should have mentioned 'forwarded as received'

[canadian]

^
MMH ben:
Long ago in the fifties there was a movie song (if my memory serves right the film was “saiyan”) which said some thing like “When you die and go to your grave, God will ask you: ‘I gave you such beauty- why did you hide it behind a burqa?’"
Sorry, unlike others (AZ, GM, Mkenya, et al), my Urdu/Hindi language skills are poor; but the gist of the song was: beauty is to be appreciated and not to be hidden from people. I consider burqa or rida to be an abomination imposed by dirty old powerful men upon women to subjugate them.

[AmmarHussaini]

^
MMH ben:
Long ago in the fifties there was a movie song (if my memory serves right the film was “saiyan”) which said some thing like “When you die and go to your grave, God will ask you: ‘I gave you such beauty- why did you hide it behind a burqa?’"
Sorry, unlike others (AZ, GM, Mkenya, et al), my Urdu/Hindi language skills are poor; but the gist of the song was: beauty is to be appreciated and not to be hidden from people. I consider burqa or rida to be an abomination imposed by dirty old powerful men upon women to subjugate them.

canadian you are a perfect example of a tharki buddha....you are 80 year old and its shame that at this age instead of preaching and promoting sunnah of Muhammed(s) you are shoiwng your perverted hidden quality to promote be pardagi.....

keep your pervertness to your self and dont show your tharkiness to world....we dont want your bollywood crap, sunnah and Quraan is enough for muslemin and momeenin.

[zinger]

^
MMH ben:


Long ago in the fifties there was a movie song (if my memory serves right the film was “saiyan”) which said some thing like “When you die and go to your grave, God will ask you: ‘I gave you such beauty- why did you hide it behind a burqa?’"
Sorry, unlike others (AZ, GM, Mkenya, et al), my Urdu/Hindi language skills are poor; but the gist of the song was: beauty is to be appreciated and not to be hidden from people. I consider burqa or rida to be an abomination imposed by dirty old powerful men upon women to subjugate them.

WOW!!!!!

And you called me a bigot and racist

[humanbeing]

One of the latent idea in the promotion of rida was to drill down the “ehsaan” and “karam” of the maulas ! phew, these guys don’t get tired in their self glorification !

This year, during Ashara Mubarakah, In waaz talaqqi session in Fatemi Masjid, Raudat Tahera, one muminaat bahen gave a very nice example, an eye openerfor those who wear Rida on western outfits.
She said, just imagine if right now suddenly Aqa Maula TUS gives Qadambosi Sharaf to Muminaat baheno,then will you be able to go forward for Qadambosi knowing the fact what you are wearing inside?.

Why would anyone care what a woman is wearing inside the rida ?

[zinger]

One of the latent idea in the promotion of rida was to drill down the “ehsaan” and “karam” of the maulas ! phew, these guys don’t get tired in their self glorification !

This year, during Ashara Mubarakah, In waaz talaqqi session in Fatemi Masjid, Raudat Tahera, one muminaat bahen gave a very nice example, an eye openerfor those who wear Rida on western outfits.
She said, just imagine if right now suddenly Aqa Maula TUS gives Qadambosi Sharaf to Muminaat baheno,then will you be able to go forward for Qadambosi knowing the fact what you are wearing inside?.

Why would anyone care what a woman is wearing inside the rida ?

i found this pretty weird myself.

what do they care if the woman is a punjabi, jeans and t-shirt or a night gown?? what difference does it make

[WiththenameofAllah]

Rida is good if simple and is not an object of showing off in masjid. It is a duty of a woman to cover herself properly as she will be accountable on the day of judgement.

Rida has some disadvantages as well or are created by women !
Wearing of net sleeves or net jersey's inside rida is not appropriate as most of the times women raise their hands in markets etc. so it is by no means covering.
Beautiful, tight ridas are a means of attraction to men from other communities.
There are many cases in Pakistan where dacoit are v.well aware they bohra women keep money in the pardi under blouse and they have done shameful things to get that money.
Rida does not cover front hair of a woman. As per islamic law hair should be covered while praying. So i doubt which kind of a gift is it? Is namaz valid when the fornt hair of a woman is not covered?

[Nafisa]

Heard Income Tax Department has raided Saifee Mahal early morning today.
Please confirm with your available sources.