Ali ibn Abi Talib (A)

[lawgraduate]

Bismillah,

Succession to the Prophet…The murder of `Uthman and the quest for justice…The Battle of the Camel…Ahl al-Bayt…Caliphs and Imams…Moderation and extremism… This book is far more than a biography, as it discusses major issues that have their origins in the early decades of Islam, the repercussions of which are still felt today. In this book, Dr. Sallabi guides the reader through a myriad of hadiths and reports, peeling away the centuries-old layer of fabrications and distortions through which hostile elements both in the Muslim world and beyond sought to conceal the truth. What emerges is a clear picture of the first great turmoil that engulfed the Muslim world and how the noble Companions of the Prophet and the members of his family worked together to resolve these momentous issues, following the guidance and teaching brought by the Messenger of Allah. The true battle for hearts and minds is that which is raging in the Muslim world today, where many vested interests are seeking to distort the very self-image of the Muslims. It is high time for us to reclaim our history and to stop letting others tell it for us. This book is of great importance as it sets the record straight on a period of our history that is of major significance. Every Muslim who cares about the big issues faced by Islam and Muslims should read this book..

DOWNLOAD BOOK

http://ismailitoislam.com/books-section ... -talib-ra/

[araz5253]

Nice work

A comment from an insider ex ismaili from above:

I know ismailisim as an insider. I am so glad that you reqeusted ismilis to allow you to observe their worship service at their Jamat Khana.. Once you observe the worship service, you will have no doubt that ismaili worship Karim as God. Karim's Grand Daddy named Sultan (WHO WAS CONSIDERED GOD BY ISMAILIS) used to receive 51.00 Rupees (indian currency-- 51 rupees was huge sum then)from his ignorant followers and the follower would bow down in fron of Sultan after handing the money and would ask for the forgiveness of his/her sins to Sultan. Sultan would verbally say " I GORGIVE YOUR SINS. Please underline "I". He DID NOT say to his follower that God will forgive you or I will pray for you to God. There is a very common phrase ismailis use very frequently which says "Ali Te Sahi Allah" Ali meaning the originator of ismaili's so called God's geneology. "Te" means IS . "Sahi" means TRUE and Allah means GOD. so the phrase means: "ALY IS TRUE GOD" Isamili consider that "NOO" (light of God or glimpse of GOD) was in Aly and this NOOR has been passed over the years to his male childrens and Karim is the present holder of this NOOR. Karim's Daddy name Aly was once the holder of this NOOR. He was the most notorious play boy known in Hollywood. In front of this Aly,a sexual beast, my mom,dad, brothers sisters and relatives bent down to and asked for forgiveness of our sins. Trevor please release your breath. Don't hold it becasue ismailis will never ever will allow you to observe thier worship service. But let me give you the tour of Jamat Khana. Let me inform you about one of the rituals all ismailis perform in Jamat Khana beside others,which they will never ever tell you about. An ismaili with money in his hand will approach the pastor (called MUKHI)sitting on the floor behind rectagnle table about knee high. The ismaili will first hand the money to the Pastor. Than he will join his hand (like a little girl will join hand to prey to Lord). He will look straight at Karim's picture which is hanging right on the wall above and behind the pastor. Looking righ in Karim's eyes, the ismaili will say the following:--- "TAUBO TAUBO TAKSIDAR BANDO SITA PAR GUNE GAR YA SHAH TO GUNA BAKSHE BAKSHAN HAR". (Oh! forgiver of sins, this follower of your is a sinner and since you are the forgiver of sins, please forgive my sins.) Next the ismaili will unjoin his hands and will hold pastor' hand. In response the pastor, while holding ismailis hand, will say: "SHA PIR BAKSHE, MOWLANA HAZAR IMAM BAKHSE" (Present Imam Karim will pardon your sins.) I as an ignorant ismaili performed this ritual thousands of time while I was in this cult. If you ever would like to, invite me on a radio call in talk show I will be very happy to answer these ismailis questions. Call few pastors in your area and ask them to let me appear on their radio programme in your area and I will be very very happy to appear on the show. Please read this book titled Thorne of Gold by Anne Edwards and you will know more about this agaCON MAN'S background. My mom,dad amd brother died believing this crooks as God and right now they are burning in hell and screaming with ravaging and excruciating pain which will have no end.

[JavedhJuma]

Araz,

You are no ex-Ismaili. You are a bohora or an Ithna. You bring this from Maherally's site word for word. We have dealt with this.

First of all no Ismailis are asked to approach the Mukhi with money. You can go to him empty handed and he will still bless you on behalf of the Imam because Imam has given him the right to do so on his behalf. Allah SWT had given that authority to the Prophet, and Prophet gave that authority to Imam. Imam cannot be everywhere, so Imam has given that authority to the Mukhi, only inside JK and not outside!

Do you think you can function without Mulla and Molvi?

Let us go to the Qur'an: Read LX 12:O Prophet......Then do thou receive their fealty, and pray to God for the forgiveness of their sins, for God is oft-forgivin, Most Merciful.

S.IV.64 We sent not an Apostle, bbut to be obeyed, in accordance with the will of God. If they had only, when they were unjust to themselves come unto thee and asked God's forgiveness, and the Apostle had asked forgiveness for them, they would have found God indeed oft-returning, Most Merciful

So do you think Araz bhai, that Allah SWT is so unjust that he had the Prophet at that time, and left us the Millenias and others for centuries without somebody praying for our sins? Or guide us? So who do you go to have your sins forgiven or guide you? Don't tell me you can do so directly. Read the sura again. Are you a jahaliya who is going to die without knowing your Imam? Don't tell me you ask Allah SWT to forgive your sins. Then why did He ask the Prophet to pray for their sins and did not tell the Prophet to ask them to pray direct to Allah SWT.
After the Prophet, Allah SWT vested that authority in the Imam or Ulil Amr when he appointed Mowla Ali AS at Ghadir E Khoum.Prophet said that Ali was Mowla of those whose he was Mowla.
And later he said, he was leaving behind him his progeny and the Qur'an. So follow them.
We have an Ulil Amr=Imam with us and he is the descendant of the Prophet. History has proven that. Don't care what you say.

Maherally is rotting in hell, so are his chamchas. Save your soul.

Tell me what good is a 1000 + years old Imam in the cave. What good is Imam in paardah. As Iqbal said, "Mard parda kare"? Would a father or mother leave his/her children to save oneself? Think before you spout.

Arazbhai you say Karim's Daddy name Aly was once the holder of this NOOR. That is crap. Talk like an intelligent man, if at all you are . And those 51 rupees, etc. is a lie. We have no significance in our tariqah with 51. You are mixing other religions here.

You say: Call few pastors in your area and ask them to let me appear on their radio programme in your area and I will be very very happy to appear on the show. Why do you ask others to do your dirty work. Why don't you call them yourselves? Or better still, go yourself to the radio programme and ask them to give you audience.

Let me give you some advice, before you approach the radio programme have your lawyer, (ask Lo-grade to represent you), have your proof (Maherally ki site nahi chalegi). No radio programme will be willing to take shit as your proof. What you have is libel and slander.

As regards the throne of Gold, I have read the first version and the second version both. What a difference! First version was full of Mir Bohse's stuff and when the writer found out it was lies, and was going to be sued, she withdrew it. So read the Second version. First version has been taken off.

My mom,dad and brother died believing this crooks as God and right now they are burning in hell and screaming with ravaging and excruciating pain which will have no end.

Really? How do you know that? What kind of aulad are you? How can I expect better from you. Who the hell are you to know this? And while you are at it, remember one of these days this will be happening to you because you are building your pier. Ismaili Imam's dushman have jumped from their bed in pain. I heard this about a recent fitnati. His soul could not depart.
Save your soul, otherwise you will soon pay for your gheelah and gibat.

As regards picture behind the Mukhi, you are a liar. Pictures are on the side walls and not in front of the prayer hall. You are a liar.

[JavedhJuma]

Bismillah,

Succession to the Prophet…The murder of `Uthman and the quest for justice…The Battle of the Camel…Ahl al-Bayt…Caliphs and Imams…Moderation and extremism… This book is far more than a biography, as it discusses major issues that have their origins in the early decades of Islam, the repercussions of which are still felt today. In this book, Dr. Sallabi guides the reader through a myriad of hadiths and reports, peeling away the centuries-old layer of fabrications and distortions through which hostile elements both in the Muslim world and beyond sought to conceal the truth. What emerges is a clear picture of the first great turmoil that engulfed the Muslim world and how the noble Companions of the Prophet and the members of his family worked together to resolve these momentous issues, following the guidance and teaching brought by the Messenger of Allah. The true battle for hearts and minds is that which is raging in the Muslim world today, where many vested interests are seeking to distort the very self-image of the Muslims. It is high time for us to reclaim our history and to stop letting others tell it for us. This book is of great importance as it sets the record straight on a period of our history that is of major significance. Every Muslim who cares about the big issues faced by Islam and Muslims should read this book..

DOWNLOAD BOOK

http://ismailitoislam.com/books-section ... -talib-ra/

Thanks. What you have presented is the preface to the book and not your words. I want the people know that. Hope you read this book instead of going from thread to thread on this forum and abusing people's religions. You do not seem to have read this book because you would not be a fitnati if you read this book.

[JavedhJuma]

Araz bhai,and Lowgrad,

Please visit this site: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzZBEUfDStA and then start barking before Admin closes this thread too. See who are waving the Ismaili flag. See who are reciting the Ismaili anthem. Listen to the children in Africa saying "We are the children of Aga Khan"!

You munafikins, show me your leaders,at least one, or Mulla Molvis, doing this kind of work. If this is not service to Allah SWT what is?

Is it stoning women,(By the way nothing happens to men: when it takes two to tango, but it is always the woman who is stoned) chopping off of hands; bombing and killing innocent children. And you call yourselves Muslims. No wonder so many of your young people are converting to Christianity in the west.

What can I expect from a man who has condemned his parents or the one who is waiting for his 1000 plus years imam hiding in the cave. You are Jahils and wayfarers.

I bet this thread is going off the air. I know the reason why now. I figured it out.

[salim]

Dear Araz5253,

As a believer we believe that every human is responsible for his own deeds. And only Allah can judge him. Ali is not responsible for his cousins deeds, Muhammad was not responsible for his wives deeds, Aga Khan is not responsible for his family members as well.

If you read history you will see that our prophets and Imams family were not all on the right path all the time. Our first prophet's (Prophet Adam) sons fought to marry one of their own sisters, in this fight one son killed another. Many times non-believers have exaggerated and lied so badly that you could make an adult move based on their narration of our prophet's wives.

Let go their family member, oppressors have bad mouthed about our prophets and Imams as well, here is a small glimpse from my another post. They can bad mouth as much as they want, but they can not make us quit Islam. We will not leave our Prophets and Imams, just because they are jealous.

• Davids extramarital affair with BathSheba
  
  Mosses rapping a 3 year old
  
  Jesus lusting for Mary Magdalene, and committing adulatory by kissing her the wrong way
  
  Muhammad marrying 7 or more wives including a six year old and including wife of his son
  
  How 2nd rightly guided caliph Umar and our first Imam Ali agreed for a marriage between Alis daughter who was around 10 years old and Umar who was around 60.
  
  Imam Hassan had 15 sons and 9 daughters from six wives and three named concubines. His wife poisoned him, so that she can marry her dream man.

[JavedhJuma]

Dear brother Salim,

They are not going to respond. Araz and Lowgrad are same. They will go into hiding for a while and bob up again under different id.

[KA786110]

It so sad to see one Muslim hurling mud at another just because his or her interpretation/tariqah does not match with his or her own. All Muslims are bound by the Shahada. But people with zero knowledge of the religion of Islam (parroting stuff from other sites or someone else's feeding does not count as knowledge) judge others and pronouncing shirk, bida, mushrik etc. That type of person is the lowest of low (Iblis no chelo) and epitome of a religious bigot.

Instead of searching and making efforts to be nearer to God, they waste away their time spewing out venom. Just like residents of hell.

[anajmi]

salim,

Are you from Bombay? I am searching for an old friend who lived in Bandra. We studied together in school and were the best of friends, but lost touch with him over a decade ago. Being trying to find a way to re-connect with him. I heard that you have a network through your jamaat khana. He did a lot of work in the jamat khana back then. Would there be any way for me to get in touch with him? I can give you his name in PM if possible.

[salim]

Anajmi,

I am not from Bombay, but I know a few who are from Bombay. Shoot me his name in PM and I will let you know if I know him or not.

[lawgraduate]

It so sad to see one Muslim hurling mud at another

on what basis you guys consider your self muslim?

[james]

What good is Imam in paardah. As Iqbal said, "Mard parda kare"? Would a father or mother leave his/her children to save oneself? Think before you spout.

Seriously? Have you read up on 8th,9th,10th Imam AS starting with Imam Hasan ibn Ali ibn Abi Talib AS?

[salim]

It so sad to see one Muslim hurling mud at another

on what basis you guys consider your self muslim?

On the basis of Muhammad and Quran, we consider ourself muslims.

[lawgraduate]

on what basis you guys consider your self muslim?

On the basis of Muhammad and Quran, we consider ourself muslims.

not even one thng you follow from Muhammed (s) or Quran, infact you cant even write name of Muhammed (s) with respect, its a shame you still call your self muslim.

[lawgraduate]

concept of hidden imam is far better than concept of living imam who is play boy and acts against Quran and shariyate Muhammed(s) yet he calls him self progeny of Muhammed(s).

btw its is now proved agha khan has no connection with ahlulbayt he has tricked his follower he is not even syyed.

[KA786110]

It so sad to see one Muslim hurling mud at another

on what basis you guys consider your self muslim?

Answer to your question is in my post from which you quoted only a part.
If you still cannot understand then go back to your teachers and ask them who a Muslim is. You have no inkling of what Islam is. You are simply a minion of IBLIS.

[lawgraduate]

Foundation of the Ismaili Faith is based upon Karim Aga Khan having an unbroken hereditary link with Ali (ra) who was appointed as Mawla. Ismailis recite in their Holy Dua (daily prayers), the names of their 49 Imams, the consecutive descendants of Ali (ra). Ismailis claim that this uninterrupted lineage for the last 1400 years is the proof of Karim Aga Khan’s constitutional right to the throne of Imamat by the way of designation (nass), generation after generation from an Imam to the previous legitimate Imam. By virtue of these alleged uninterrupted designations, Karim Aga Khan has enjoyed the full authority of governance over and in respect of all religious and community matters of Ismailis.

In the following article, we examine the mysteriously absent account of three imams of the Nizari Ismailis, focusing on imam Hadi and then we look at who was Ala Zikrihis Salam and why his is actual name been deleted from the Holy Dua and replaced by just a “blessing”. Finally we look at what historians from Ismaili and non-Ismaili sources have recorded on Ala Zikrihis Salam before drawing conclusions.

https://insideismailism.wordpress.com/2 ... his-salam/

[KA786110]

Again the minion of Iblis at work. Cutting and pasting from his masters' website.
Do you even read these things before posting. Oh I get it, you do not need to read them, you are just doing your masters' bidding.

[KA786110]

Now bringing the discussion back to its topic the book mentioned in the title.

I started reading this book last year and found that it was a very clever ploy by the author to spread the distorted sunni fundamentalist view point. He labors so much to put positive light and spin on actions of Hazrat Aisha and other sahabas who opposed Hazrat Ali (as) and Ahl-e-bayt.

[nastik]

The best part about religion book is that they are very easy to judge the content by the name of the author. If we consider the book in islam if he name of the author is any of Shaikh, Ahmed, Rafiq etc. you understand its going to highlight the three caliphs as well Ali. If the name of the author is Hussain, Ali, etc. you can judge the content i going to criticize the three caliphs and their period and only show the greatness of Ali. The reader is always a blind follower whose follower becomes blinder and starts believing in every word.

for as that matter have you ever come across a muslim author who said Hindu teachings are correct or vice versa. Both of these could be learned and well researched but still their books contradict.

There are other history boos of the world apart from religion where the stories are no very contradicting like in case of religion and that is very strange.

well, my judgement to this is only that these books are biased by the author and have does not have true facts in them and to read such books with the idea of believing or following it should be waste of time.

[lawgraduate]

Again the minion of Iblis at work. Cutting and pasting from his masters' website.
Do you even read these things before posting. Oh I get it, you do not need to read them, you are just doing your masters' bidding.

which master are you talking about?

I dont even know these guys, but I find it amazing even after having so many proofs najis dogs like you are still faithful to your con master and play boy agha khan, Ismailis and abdes are similar when it comes to blank brain examples.

[blitzkreig]

On the basis of Muhammad and Quran, we consider ourself muslims.

not even one thng you follow from Muhammed (s) or Quran, infact you cant even write name of Muhammed (s) with respect, its a shame you still call your self muslim.

Well since you know so much about Islam, can you please tell me who Allah is?

[KA786110]

Again the minion of Iblis at work. Cutting and pasting from his masters' website.
Do you even read these things before posting. Oh I get it, you do not need to read them, you are just doing your masters' bidding.

which master are you talking about?

The one who has filled your heart with hatred and emptied all intelligence from you. Your are not even a fully developed human let alone an Ahle-Imaan.
So look within yourself and correct your misguided notion of Islam and piety.

[JavedhJuma]

Foundation of the Ismaili Faith is based upon Karim Aga Khan having an unbroken hereditary link with Ali (ra) who was appointed as Mawla. Ismailis recite in their Holy Dua (daily prayers), the names of their 49 Imams, the consecutive descendants of Ali (ra). Ismailis claim that this uninterrupted lineage for the last 1400 years is the proof of Karim Aga Khan’s constitutional right to the throne of Imamat by the way of designation (nass), generation after generation from an Imam to the previous legitimate Imam. By virtue of these alleged uninterrupted designations, Karim Aga Khan has enjoyed the full authority of governance over and in respect of all religious and community matters of Ismailis.

In the following article, we examine the mysteriously absent account of three imams of the Nizari Ismailis, focusing on imam Hadi and then we look at who was Ala Zikrihis Salam and why his is actual name been deleted from the Holy Dua and replaced by just a “blessing”. Finally we look at what historians from Ismaili and non-Ismaili sources have recorded on Ala Zikrihis Salam before drawing conclusions.

https://insideismailism.wordpress.com/2 ... his-salam/

Abe Jahil, Anyone who recites the Shahada is a Muslim. Didn't you know that! Ka786 is right, you know nothing about Islam.

His Highness Prince Karim Aga Khan did not become Imam of the Ismailis because of his constitutional right. What nonsense is this. He became Imam because of his Nass. Period. If you do not know the meaning of constitutional right read the meaning in dictionary.
You state "mysteriously absent account of three imams"...So you gave names of Imam Hadi and Allah Zikrihis salaam. That is two. Who is the third. I did not read the article you quoted because when you come out with Jahil accusations, I do not want to waste my time when your knowledge of Ismailism is from amateurs or anti-Ismailis..

Now about Imam Hadi AS. Imam Hadi AS was imprisoned by Mustali, the younger brother of Imam Nizar AS together with Imam Nizar AS. One of the Ismaili Dais, who was originally a twelver and converted to Ismailism, on the hand of Imam Mustansirbillah, AS, broke into the prison and rescued Imam Hadi AS. Imam Nizar could have left too but he refused because that would have caused a lot of in-fightin. Anyway Imam Hadi left with Hasan bin Sabah for the mountains in Iran. So everybody, but you, does not know this. Even your Maherally knew that but he distorted everything.

As far as Imam Allah Zikrihisalaam AS, you are the worse of the worst ignorant fool I have ever seen. Before you accuse people check out, in this case you could have checked out the Ismaili Du'a to verify if Allah Zikrihisalaam AS's name is mentioned in the Du'a book. Shit is on your face, because it is mentioned in our Du'a and we recite his name in the Du'a. There is no "blessing" in itsd stead. What kind of a fool are you. Before you open your filthy and ignorant mouth verify it.

Somewhere you or your nincampoos stated that Imam Karim AS is not even a Syed. Idiots , do you know if Syed is higher than descendant of the Prophet SAW, who is an Imam.

Syeds is for your Ithnas. There are many Syeds, who I know personally especially from Afghanistan and they are good people but they smoke bhang and drink homemade sharab.

So Syed does not mean anything but Mr. or Sir! It is only a prefix.

[JavedhJuma]

Again the minion of Iblis at work. Cutting and pasting from his masters' website.
Do you even read these things before posting. Oh I get it, you do not need to read them, you are just doing your masters' bidding.

which master are you talking about?

I dont even know these guys, but I find it amazing even after having so many proofs najis dogs like you are still faithful to your con master and play boy agha khan, Ismailis and abdes are similar when it comes to blank brain examples.

If there is a najis dog anywhere it is you who knows nothing about Islam. Reads what he wants to without verifying like you did not verify if we take the name of Imam Allah Zikrihisalaam AS in our Du'a. You made me laugh hysterically, when you said instead of his name they recite a blessing. Wo! What a fool you are. You are a master clown.

What so many proofs are you talking about. Everytime you bring something we prove you wrong.

Aga Khan is no con-master nor a Playboy. These kinds of accusations were made against the Prophet SAW also and KA786 and Salim gave you the proof, but Islam survived and his name is taken several times a day. Fact is, najis dogs like you prefer to play with pig shit!

So please run to your Samras gar and find your rahebar.

Ismailis and abdes are similar when it comes to blank brain examples.

First of all, there is no comparison between Abdes and Ismailis. Each have their on Tariqah. If there are any blank brains, they are najis dogs like you. See how many times I proved you wrong today. Ha! Ha! Ha! For once, see people as they are and not as you are. You are the most ignorant fool I have ever met on a blog.

This is what happens when your rahebars leave you and run away! Do they know their enemies are no longer out there. If not, please find them and let them know.

[JavedhJuma]

On the basis of Muhammad and Quran, we consider ourself muslims.

not even one thng you follow from Muhammed (s) or Quran, infact you can't even write name of Muhammed (s) with respect, its a shame you still call your self muslim.

Don't be a nit pick. When you loose you come up with this kind of nonsense. Now tell me how can you call yourself writing Prophet SAW name like: Muhammed (s) even (s) is lower case! Is that respectful. You are teaching Islam to Ismailis? Ha! Ha! Ha!. What is (s) for. Don't tell me (s) is for SAW. It is not that, you lazy fool. So who should not call himself a Muslim: You.

You state: Muhammad (s) Quran:

You claim to be a Muslim but you do not know Holy Qur'an is not Prophet SAW's property. It is Allah SWT's book.It is the word of God as revealed to Prophet SAW

What law school did you graduate from. I forget you are a low-grade!

[JavedhJuma]

What good is Imam in paardah. As Iqbal said, "Mard parda kare"? Would a father or mother leave his/her children to save oneself? Think before you spout.

Seriously? Have you read up on 8th,9th,10th Imam AS starting with Imam Hasan ibn Ali ibn Abi Talib AS?

What is your point brother James? I did not get it. Please enlighten me. If you are talking about Daur-al-Satr, Imams were not behind pardah but in seclusion. They emerged after a few years and led their flock. During the period of Satr they were guided by Imam through their Dai's. Imams were physically present and their followers knew when they died and who the next Imam was. They always knew the name of their current Imam. They did not disappear for hundreds of years!

I do not understand what you are trying to say about Imam Hasan ibn Abi Talib AS.

I am willing to talk to you provided you observe the decorum of discussion.