Police investigating FGM in community
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Marvellous idea, Oz bhai. These women can be persuaded not to do FGM, also shown the threat of police investigation and raids. They will loose income. A fund set up for this can take care of it.
I knew a lady SK did this routinely. She is dead by now.
I knew a lady SK did this routinely. She is dead by now.
Tampa Jamaat in USA Bans Khatna
US Law Enforcement are now investigating and many are under FBI radar..if you know some one who performs this illegal act, please contact your local FBI office, you can stay anonymous. Since now this has been taken at Federal Level, no need to go to local police,
Received via e mail
Received via e mail
Afzalus Salaam,
At an extra-ordinary meeting of Anjuman-e-Vajihi held on 12th March 2016, at Markaz-ul-Burhani, 4705 E. 18th Ave, Tampa, Fl 33605, a resolution was passed in relation to khafd (also recognised by some as khatna or female circumcision). Subsequent to that resolution, you are hereby informed that:
1. It is a well-known hadith of the Prophet, Mohammed RasulullahSAW that “Hubbul watan minal imaan”, which means “love for the land of abode is part of faith.” The Duat MutlaqeenRA have therefore taught us to remain loyal to the country of abode and to be law abiding and contributory citizens. Today, the 53rd Dai al-Mutlaq, Syedna Mufaddal SaifuddinTUS continues to exhort us to employ the same principles.
2. Khafd has recently been interpreted by a court in New South Wales, Australia (NSW) to be within the meaning of Female Genital Mutilation (FGM) as defined in their Crimes Act, and it is now illegal in NSW.
3. It is therefore likely that khafd could also be interpreted in our courts to fall within the meaning of FGM in Florida Statutes Section 794.08, and United States Code, Title 18, Ch. 7, Section 116. Consequently, khafd should be considered illegal in Florida and generally in the United States.
4. All parents and guardians are hereby directed in the strictest terms not to carry out khafd under any circumstances.
5. You are further instructed not to take any person outside of the United States to carry out khafd.
6. Parents and guardians are hereby advised, should you engage in this practice, you will be doing so against specific warning of Anjuman-e-Vajihi and the consequences of doing so will be solely yours.
Wassalaam,
(Al Had) Mufaddal BS Bin Najmuddin BS
Amil & President
Moiz JanoowallaM. Murtaza ChoilawalaDr. Shk. Qayyum Khambaty
SecretaryTreasurerDirector
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May I please see the original. Now the Tampa Jumat is eating the crow and the murghi.
Can a legal expert say what happens to the people who has done already this illegal act? ny statute of limitation?
Can a legal expert say what happens to the people who has done already this illegal act? ny statute of limitation?
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What you mean by original? do you think any Aamil will hand over the original copy. We are not even sure if the NUSS is original, has anyone seen the original paper of NUSS yet?New wrote:May I please see the original. Now the Tampa Jumat is eating the crow and the murghi.
Can a legal expert say what happens to the people who has done already this illegal act? ny statute of limitation?
As far as if anyone knows if some one performed the Khatna on female regardless of when, can report to local office of FBI and they will take it from there.
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SBM that's an achievement , USA is truly FGM free zone just like Australia and UK
next is Canada and Europe
Africa, uae
Watch this space ....I look foreward to when SMS will announce with his own words that Busaheba his mother may have erred and those instructions to commit fgm are erased , pressure is building
next is Canada and Europe
Africa, uae
Watch this space ....I look foreward to when SMS will announce with his own words that Busaheba his mother may have erred and those instructions to commit fgm are erased , pressure is building
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Heard thru grapewine:
Singapore Jamaat also released the same Farman too...
Singapore Jamaat also released the same Farman too...
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BTW
I heard from grape vine that members of Tampa Jamaat are not aware of the letter issued regarding FGM. This letter was prepared so that they can avoid investigation by US law enforcement agencies and plead ignorance. Seems like this was not an honest attempt on their part ot discourage FGM. I am sure Law Enforcement agencies will be checking with their Jamaat list to see if this letter was ever circulated, even the meeting was not widely announced.
I heard from grape vine that members of Tampa Jamaat are not aware of the letter issued regarding FGM. This letter was prepared so that they can avoid investigation by US law enforcement agencies and plead ignorance. Seems like this was not an honest attempt on their part ot discourage FGM. I am sure Law Enforcement agencies will be checking with their Jamaat list to see if this letter was ever circulated, even the meeting was not widely announced.
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If Islam ask you to respect the law of the land. And secondly there is no compulsion in Islam
So based on the above two argument people to stop this practice and in few generation down the lane, it will die its natural death. In the past mumineen where not seen outside India so much and few in Africa. Now due to global demographic changing so rapidly mumineen are exposed to other communities, countries and their different laws. During past we were use to throwing rubbish on the roads now after foreign travel we think twice. See how habits and mentality changing.
So based on the above two argument people to stop this practice and in few generation down the lane, it will die its natural death. In the past mumineen where not seen outside India so much and few in Africa. Now due to global demographic changing so rapidly mumineen are exposed to other communities, countries and their different laws. During past we were use to throwing rubbish on the roads now after foreign travel we think twice. See how habits and mentality changing.
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Well its up to you if you want your daughter's or sisters would you subject to. Lets put it this way, if men of the house had a choice they will definitely never subject their daughter's to it. Its always the mothers or grand ma's who secretly transport the girls to such places to get it done. "Aurat ki sab se baadi dushman Aurat hi hai" as they saying goes.sugguma wrote:------------allbird wrote:If Islam ask you to respect the law of the land. And secondly there is no compulsion in Islam
So based on the above two argument people to stop this practice and in few generation down the lane, it will die its natural death. In the past mumineen where not seen outside India so much and few in Africa. Now due to global demographic changing so rapidly mumineen are exposed to other communities, countries and their different laws. During past we were use to throwing rubbish on the roads now after foreign travel we think twice. See how habits and mentality changing.
In the meantime, while this barbaric and archaic practice is waning over "few generations", how many vulnerable 7-year old little DB girls will be put under the knife/blade/razor/ostra?
If you put your foot down today, this practice can be stop today, else wait for generations as things go in Indian estyle slow.
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New statistical report on female genital mutilation shows harmful practice is a global concern – UNICEF
NEW YORK, 5 February 2016 – At least 200 million girls and women alive today have undergone female genital mutilation in 30 countries, according to a new statistical report published ahead of the United Nations’ International Day of Zero Tolerance for Female Genital Mutilation.
Female Genital Mutilation/Cutting: A Global Concern notes that half of the girls and women who have been cut live in three countries - Egypt, Ethiopia and Indonesia - and refers to smaller studies and anecdotal accounts that provide evidence FGM is a global human rights issue affecting girls and women in every region of the world.
Female genital mutilation refers to a number of procedures. Regardless of which form is practiced, FGM is a violation of children’s rights.
In most of the countries the majority of girls were cut before reaching their fifth birthdays.
Since 2008, more than 15,000 communities and sub-districts in 20 countries have publicly declared that they are abandoning FGM, including more than 2,000 communities last year. Five countries have passed national legislation criminalizing the practice.
Data also indicate widespread disapproval of the practice as the majority of people in countries where FGM data exists think it should end. This includes nearly two-thirds of boys and men.
FULL ARTICLE :-
http://www.unicef.org/media/media_90033.html
NEW YORK, 5 February 2016 – At least 200 million girls and women alive today have undergone female genital mutilation in 30 countries, according to a new statistical report published ahead of the United Nations’ International Day of Zero Tolerance for Female Genital Mutilation.
Female Genital Mutilation/Cutting: A Global Concern notes that half of the girls and women who have been cut live in three countries - Egypt, Ethiopia and Indonesia - and refers to smaller studies and anecdotal accounts that provide evidence FGM is a global human rights issue affecting girls and women in every region of the world.
Female genital mutilation refers to a number of procedures. Regardless of which form is practiced, FGM is a violation of children’s rights.
In most of the countries the majority of girls were cut before reaching their fifth birthdays.
Since 2008, more than 15,000 communities and sub-districts in 20 countries have publicly declared that they are abandoning FGM, including more than 2,000 communities last year. Five countries have passed national legislation criminalizing the practice.
Data also indicate widespread disapproval of the practice as the majority of people in countries where FGM data exists think it should end. This includes nearly two-thirds of boys and men.
FULL ARTICLE :-
http://www.unicef.org/media/media_90033.html
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The judge said that since the trial, leaders of Dawoodi Bohra communities in Australia, Sweden, Britain, the United States, New Zealand, Ireland, Norway and Kenya had issued edicts against FGM.
The above countries police have opened investigations and Bohra are on record for confirming these practices occurred as recent as 2016 .
Admission by jamaats and media coverage removes the excuse of ignorance should someone in future gets arrested. This also protects jamaats from being dragged into courts and future cases will be on individual basis.
Reformist need to understand the motive of such an extensive and expensive case was to ban this practice from the grass roots and leave no ambiguity, it was not about jailing people.
In the process apart from exceptional media coverage, international unprecedented police operations, detailed analysis of bohra practises by criminologists, Bohra cult can no longer remain secretive or oppressive.
To bring jamaats across the globe, overcome a ruthless powerful Kothar with political connection, to a cross road where reluctantly they had to submit to a independent national justice and law enforcement process.
This consequentially brings reformist to a moral high point as an internationaly recognized change agents who contributed to fundamental human rights issue. Reformist can now demand more reforms as modern society will be supportive. The honor of such noble action repairs the less successful attempts by pioneer reformists of past years and breathes new life into future of reform movement.
The above countries police have opened investigations and Bohra are on record for confirming these practices occurred as recent as 2016 .
Admission by jamaats and media coverage removes the excuse of ignorance should someone in future gets arrested. This also protects jamaats from being dragged into courts and future cases will be on individual basis.
Reformist need to understand the motive of such an extensive and expensive case was to ban this practice from the grass roots and leave no ambiguity, it was not about jailing people.
In the process apart from exceptional media coverage, international unprecedented police operations, detailed analysis of bohra practises by criminologists, Bohra cult can no longer remain secretive or oppressive.
To bring jamaats across the globe, overcome a ruthless powerful Kothar with political connection, to a cross road where reluctantly they had to submit to a independent national justice and law enforcement process.
This consequentially brings reformist to a moral high point as an internationaly recognized change agents who contributed to fundamental human rights issue. Reformist can now demand more reforms as modern society will be supportive. The honor of such noble action repairs the less successful attempts by pioneer reformists of past years and breathes new life into future of reform movement.
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The Saifee Mahal mafias have resorted to such practices since quite a long time..... Don't you remember the incident in the 80's when there was a Bohra/Sunni riot during Muharram in Mumbai wherein SMB had uttered laanats on Khalifas and Bohras were left on their own to defend themselves. All the zaadas had run away from the scene with tails between their legs including SMB who left for his palace in a police jeep thereby leaving his pyaara farzando at the mercy of the rioters !!Ozdundee wrote:This also protects jamaats from being dragged into courts and future cases will be on individual basis.
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California Bohras are discovering the "well known" Hadith now, thank Australia...
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Thanks for uploading the farman, I was hoping to see the farmaan issued from hazrat-e-aaliya imamiya, darbaar-e-daawat-e-hadiya, the supreme leader of abdes one and only muffy maula. who is raza-na-maalik, without whom a leaf would not flutter. also the wordings of the diktat is flavoured as legal implication rather than spiritual farmaan of muffy maula. also is there any version of this risala (message) in lisaan-e-daawat ?
what is happening to Secluded Imam & Dai Al Mutlak ? Indian Non Bohra judges will decide who is true DAI, non bohra USA Govt decides what practices to be followed and not followed. seems like a lot of abdeism in bohraism is gonna go underground again and taqiyet is gonna be practiced at large scale. With that clue, DAIs too should go into seclusion and remain there !
what is happening to Secluded Imam & Dai Al Mutlak ? Indian Non Bohra judges will decide who is true DAI, non bohra USA Govt decides what practices to be followed and not followed. seems like a lot of abdeism in bohraism is gonna go underground again and taqiyet is gonna be practiced at large scale. With that clue, DAIs too should go into seclusion and remain there !
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Would like to congrats all the REMORFMIST who had left no stone unturned in bringing end to this fgm atleast in western world..
Further I am also disheartened that the work of reformers is not showcase and what ever reformers do to eradicate any inhuman activity the credit is taken away by kothari goons.
This BIG ACHIEVEMENT have to be popularize in india as well with the help of all leading newspaper otherwise the kothar will take away credit under the disguise of Huzbul watan.....
Common abdes should know that that the change or reform is done because of REFORMERS efforts and not because of so called dai.
Hope such kind of law also comes in India just like excommunication.
Further I am also disheartened that the work of reformers is not showcase and what ever reformers do to eradicate any inhuman activity the credit is taken away by kothari goons.
This BIG ACHIEVEMENT have to be popularize in india as well with the help of all leading newspaper otherwise the kothar will take away credit under the disguise of Huzbul watan.....
Common abdes should know that that the change or reform is done because of REFORMERS efforts and not because of so called dai.
Hope such kind of law also comes in India just like excommunication.
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Let's not forget the law enforcement agencies around the world who really did most of the work , put resources, time and commitment . There is a special skill and science involved going through the broad information, evidence s some valid some false, amending laws, managing media, threats, distractions. If it was amateur activism this would have failed years back or made a small dent. Compare the results here with other complex initiatives. This would have been impossible against an arrogant well connected administration.
The history read by 1 million Bohra, 200 million newspaper readers , or legal records in 500 million population western government archives.
Best history is a child growing up in a moderate family boasting she will not be cut.while orthodox asking should we risk getting caught and trying for arzi to solve a complex issue. Then slowly giving up
The history read by 1 million Bohra, 200 million newspaper readers , or legal records in 500 million population western government archives.
Best history is a child growing up in a moderate family boasting she will not be cut.while orthodox asking should we risk getting caught and trying for arzi to solve a complex issue. Then slowly giving up
fustrate_Bohra wrote:Would like to congrats all the REMORFMIST who had left no stone unturned in bringing end to this fgm atleast in western world..
Further I am also disheartened that the work of reformers is not showcase and what ever reformers do to eradicate any inhuman activity the credit is taken away by kothari goons.
This BIG ACHIEVEMENT have to be popularize in india as well with the help of all leading newspaper otherwise the kothar will take away credit under the disguise of Huzbul watan.....
Common abdes should know that that the change or reform is done because of REFORMERS efforts and not because of so called dai.
Hope such kind of law also comes in India just like excommunication.
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Bro Ozdundee,
Why dont you take a further initiative against Bohra Iddat as you did in FGM case..... Iddat per se should not be challenged as it is an Islamic practice but the manner in which it is observed in Bohra community is totally barbaric and amounts to gross violation of human rights.
Why dont you take a further initiative against Bohra Iddat as you did in FGM case..... Iddat per se should not be challenged as it is an Islamic practice but the manner in which it is observed in Bohra community is totally barbaric and amounts to gross violation of human rights.
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One more jamaat
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Well done USA reformists , my dear friends in Canada what has happened this time , join in.abde53 wrote:One more jamaat
Where are AZ or Canadian when you need them,
Before the wall is built let someone from south who knows go and show the way.
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Well if that is confirmed most of western countries are covered and proves authorities have records.
Next is difficult Africa, Middle East and Asia
Next is difficult Africa, Middle East and Asia
sugguma wrote:Ozdundee, rumour has it that Canadian jamaats (Toronto) has passed an FGM resolution 2 months ago as Amil was about to be interrogated by authorities. No one is willing to confirm or deny or provide a copy. Everyone is mum about it, it seems.Ozdundee wrote:
Well done USA reformists , my dear friends in Canada what has happened this time , join in.
Where are AZ or Canadian when you need them,
Before the wall is built let someone from south who knows go and show the way.
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About two years ago, a complain was filed with the office of Canadian Justice Minister that new Aamil of Mississauga Khozeima Yamani may support FGM in Canada. The Justice Minister assigned it to Mississauga police department and an investigation was opened. Following that Khozeima was transferred out.sugguma wrote:Ozzie, trying to send you a private message, without success. Can you send me one? I'm not very familiar with this platform.Ozdundee wrote:Well if that is confirmed most of western countries are covered and proves authorities have records.
Next is difficult Africa, Middle East and Asia
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Tampa u.s.a. jamaat is run by a very crooked man. his name is gharialli. He is from india and is a lawyer. He manipulates mumineen to his whims and fancies and acts as if he was a zada. Innoscent mumineen of Tampa, be very cautious of your crook gharialli.
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No Tampa Jamat is run by bunch of crooked people, Zoeb Ghadiali is one of them, his son in law committed suicide after running a PONZI scheme and taking money from many guillablethink wrote:Tampa u.s.a. jamaat is run by a very crooked man. his name is gharialli. He is from india and is a lawyer. He manipulates mumineen to his whims and fancies and acts as if he was a zada. Innoscent mumineen of Tampa, be very cautious of your crook gharialli.