Biradar wrote: Sun Feb 25, 2018 10:18 pm
I mentioned to HJK that the Imam al-Mu'izz took the coffins of his ancestors with him to Cairo. At first, HJK seemed incredulous and when I mentioned the name of reference (al Maqrizi's book Itti'az al-hunafa bi-akhbar al-a'imma al-Fatimiyyin al-khulafa) he suddenly claimed that he knows everything about this book.
I think he meant that no one was filled with embalming fluids, even when they were to travel days, whilst this bobra had to be. Besides, if you believe in, by giving you the benefit of doubt, on our bohra theology then we do not consider them dead.
First, most of this book is only in manuscript form and not all volumes have been published till recently. To say one know "everything" about it is absurd. However, let that exaggeration go. At that point I did not have the exact reference with me, but I made a short trip to the library and here are more details.
Hope it's a renowned one.
My point here is the following. The Imam al-Mu'izz took the coffins of three of his ancestors, al-Mahdi, al-Qa'im and al-Mansur along with him. al Maqrizi clearly states it. There is even a translation of this portion of the Itti'az by Shainool Jiwa ("Towards a Shi'i mediterranean Empire", Page 104). Hence, anyone can verify this for themselves. Hence, clearly, the Imam did something that would seem strange if one were to take a strict interpretation of the shaa'ria. Why did the Imam do this? And, further, why were his ancestors buried in coffins in the first place? Is this a strictly Islamic practice?
If one were to consider the incident of Karbala, then no, it isn't not an Islamic practice.
Note that the Imam buried these coffins in a place that was called Turbat al-Za'faran and would often visit them to pay his respect. At present, the coffins of these Imams and other Fatimid Imams is in the same building as that housing the sacred head of Imam Hussain.
Hmm.....
A few other points: Sayedna Idris, in his Uyun al-akhbar, in the section on Imam Mu'izz states the same as al Maqrizi, that is, the three Imam's coffins were carried to Cario and buried there. (It is likely the Sayedna Idris was basing his account on Maqrizi's account). Further, S. Idris adds that it is said that even the coffins of the three masturin Imams (i.e. the Imams of the first concealment after Imam Muhammad bin Ismaili) were taken and buried in Cairo. Hence, it does not seem unusual for the Imams to carry their ancestor's coffins with them.
As a bohra, I consider Sayedna Idris RA as the only authority. Everyone else is a nobody.
Finally, S. Idris states in the Uyun that Imam Mu'izz died in a village called al-Bahnasa. Imam Mu'izz had told his son al-Aziz to take his body to Cairo for burial. Imam al-Aziz did as instructed and, at first kept his father's death a secret, and took his body to Cairo and buried him there.
Unfortunately, this self proclaimed mansoos, cowardly tucked his tail between his arthritic legs and ran away. Not sure if he's a bigger coward or Abu Bakr & Umar. Aah, something something birds with feathers and together.
Hence, it is not unusual that bodies of Imams (and in the absence of the Imam, the da'i al-mutlaq who sits in his places) could be moved. If bodies can be removed and reburied years later, and moved around like mentioned above, why not a mere 10 days later, specially if SKQ had told STF his desire to be buried in India, and STF had also decided the same? In modern times huge distances can be covered in short time and this does not seem to be a big deal.
Yes
(BTW: if you visit North Africa and every get a chance to visit the ancient places where the pre-Cairo Imams died, you can visit their empty tombs and see for yourself. All this is arranged even by the Fai'z al-Hussainy tour people themselves!)
Umm....the same Faiz that you hypocrites blame for being money sink for general bohra. Even a circus monkey can't take a 360° this fast.
Often, the Imam would call his own uncles and cousins "despicable monkeys", "illiterate fools", "greedy monkeys" and other choice phrases. He knew that if he did not keep these "despicable monkeys" fed and pampered they would cause trouble.
That's OK. We know Khuzaima was a baboon.
I mean, have you ever seen a shehzada who actually has a job? At least STF runs a farm and does his trading business himself! These lazy shezadas live a life of great ease, relaxing and enjoying themselves at the expense of the community. Hunting, ski trips, tafri at the drop of a hat, eating ziyafaat, and lording it over everyone. They have it made! Why would they not want this forever? Even Muffi was on tafri in Sri Lanka when SMB died! They love luxury and hence the mess we are in today.
Yes. The gobra of the bobra runs a haraam business that deals in haram.
) and you come back to a tempest in Bohra land. Here is MS supplicating in some form to SKQ (sajda, feet kissing, who cares...) geez is this the same man who said SKQ was always evil AND HE KNEW IT!! HE JUST KNEW IT!! haha MS. You may have thought he is evil but you certainly did not dare display your true sentiments before your father now did you? Who knew you were a phony even back then!!
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