Practice Of Female Circumcision Among Bohra Muslims.

[Ozdundee]

There are 3 cases pending and likely decisions soon.

Government High Court Appeal against NSW Court of appeal decision.

FBI appeal against Detroit rulling.

Ruling against Bohra lawyer found to pervert course of justice during investigation.

I think we were all waiting for this to happen - didn't expect the FBI or the Crown Prosecutor to give up so easily. But I didn't know that the crown was appealing the NSW appear court decision. When was this filed and when is the verdict likely (weeks or months?).

In the matter of the ruling against the Bohra lawyer has the judgement been given and is it published?

Lawyer judgement also due this month.

Appeal was lodged last year hearing was held in Nov

Sydney abdes are having weekly pur Josh mattam Majlis in anticipation

So now abdes know the cost of fgm.

$53 Raza salam, hire old lady give her $21, plus
$1million lawyer legal defence costs, few nights in jail, bail, media bombardment, purjosh mattam, wrath of law enforcement and my hawk eye.

The authorities in USA and Australia also know Bohra scriptures more than Bohra themselves. Surprised none converted on their own. They could be speaking lisan dawaat too amongst themselves.

Bohras can Carry on with their understanding of convoluted shariat reasoning if you can afford all this.

Simple alternative just fxxking stop doing it. Chapter closed

Soon the political party that 8 years ago made the arrests, woman PM, funded the show, tightened the laws, has 50% women MPs are coming to power in May. Bohras are going to be in deep soup if this case goes to trial again with new younger politics.

More purjosh mattam, Mola jaldi padhare!!!

[Reporter]

Can We End the Confusion Over FGM Terms?

There are many terms and acronyms to describe female genital mutilation (FGM); female genital cutting (FGC), female circumcision (FC), Khatna and Khafz. In the Bohra community specifically, it involves the cutting of a seven-year-old girl’s clitoral hood.

“Ending FGM’s terminology barrier is WeSpeakOut’s specific goal this year. Khafz is FGM,” says Masooma Ranalvi, convener of WeSpeakOut, while speaking to The Hindu.


https://www.thequint.com/neon/gender/in ... s.bouaSSQt

[level_headed]

$53 Raza salam, hire old lady give her $21, plus
$1million lawyer legal defence costs, few nights in jail, bail, media bombardment, purjosh mattam, wrath of law enforcement and my hawk eye.

Ozrundee - you are so full of yourself. What happened under your hawk eye watch. Ladies and Aamil Saheb were acquitted. The government expert witness had egg on her face. AND YOU GOT A TERRIFIC KICK IN YOUR NUTS and like a glutton for punishment you come here and blow your trumpet. Hadd ho gayee. You are frankly an embarrassment

[Ozdundee]

Unleveled. You should know never poke a bear or tiger.

Sure Amil was acquited but the case is not over. And what a feeling when your SMS millions of dollars goes down the drain to pay the legal bills for your self inflicted abhorrent child abuses. In a few weeks your nightmare on Bohra street 4 will begin in a land far far away.

And your Anjumans around the world will be slapped with police raids and criminal cases. Every scream of an innocent girl in fgm will hurt your reputation and coffers.

You have absolutely no fxxking idea how deep in shit your dawaat is across Europe USA and Australia New Zealand and how thick the police and media files are.

Your Anjumans will take years of public relations, tikka parties, gifts to politicians and nothing will restore your reputation for 10s of years. Your DB is known as the fgm community across the world including India courtesy of this antiFGM movement. Don't blame the activists for your state, you had a choice to work with us to abolish this practice you chose the wrong path thinking you would fight court cases through expensive lawyers and keep FGM as a tool to subdue the women. Really how naive to take on with FBI, AFP and Interpol on the side of the antiFGM movement. You think trying to manipulate the definition makes it ok.

Your kind arrogant over estimated your power and influence, underestimated our commitment to bring the house down to stop FGM. And you think we will give up with a few battles lost. You have absolutely no idea what will hit you next. We are at war with FGM we are in for the long haul.

I hope your zadas get my message too . Don't fxxk with us. Stop FGM and get over it like STF did. Show genuine abolishment of FGM consistently for many years and we will be out of a job .

[level_headed]

It is your arrogance and shouting victory and counting your chickens before they are hatched. I have been consistently saying that Maula TUS will win because truth is with him and he is upholding Prophet SAW shariat. Australia and Detroit are proof of my argument. The Indian Supreme Court case is also not going well for you.
Now you are trying to hide with the fig leaf of false bravado and arrogance.

[Ozdundee]

Take this low level

Yes I am arrogant and ruthless in pursuit to stop FGM

And stop fulling, your Bohra ideology is hiding behind at this desperate times labelling it as Prophet PBH shariat.

The whole Muslim world knows how hypocritical and heretical your orthodoxy is. You have no value for the Prophet . You consider your Diai more superior.

Female Genital Mutilation has declined globally, but Dawoodi Bohra women continue to fight 'khatna' in India

https://www.firstpost.com/india/female- ... 35731.html

[Ozdundee]

Mubarak to all activists of FGM. Good News

High Court of Australia in layman terms have agreed to the Government to reopen the FGM case.

Commonwealth High Court is superior to NSW Supreme Court.

Cases which involve interpretation of the Constitution, or where the Court may be invited to depart from one of its previous decisions, or where the Court considers the principle of law involved to be one of major public importance, are normally determined by a full bench comprising all seven Justices if they are available to sit.

Other cases which come to the High Court for final determination involve appeals against the decisions of the Supreme Courts of the States and Territories, of the Federal Court of Australia

[Bohra spring]

Fantastic turn around. How did you manage this? There were rumours circulating the appeal judges were bribed, obviously it was not true.

Not a good year for SMS, Modi lost in Rajasthan, Indore. Cannot travel to Canada now this never ending Australia problem, too much distraction for SMS

But Abdes will say STF bribed the High Court to reverse the supreme court judgment .

Anyway is it the case the High Court is inthe capital Canberra . Kafla will need to travel. Keep us posted.

[juzer esmail]

@Ozdundee can u provide a link to this news? Thanks

[Ozdundee]

The chances of getting an appeal granted by the High Court is so rare, it's almost 1 in 20 requests granted. Read all the recent records. What does this say about Devine help on the side of activists and determination of the team prosecuting this case.

All the prayers by abdes were no success. All the 3 submissions were granted. Watch this space the bigger guns will be present. ozD does not loose in any case . This is is not all, we will keep fighting let's see who blinks.i still offer SMS to back down declare fgm over, disband dbwfrf propoganda group, let us take over the cleanup and get rid of this practice. It will save you millions in legal fees and public embarrassment. Sensible abdes go talk to your leaders to co-operate with the authorities.

I know people are skeptical, you can find the decision now on the High Court of Australia website records . Dated 15 Feb 2019. Next the court will set dates and with how busy they are this could take many month to years to finish. So be patient. We will be together for a long time sharing commentary.

[MohammedG]

The chances of getting an appeal granted by the High Court is so rare, it's almost 1 in 20 requests granted. Read all the recent records. What does this say about Devine help on the side of activists and determination of the team prosecuting this case.

All the prayers by abdes were no success. All the 3 submissions were granted. Watch this space the bigger guns will be present. ozD does not loose in any case . This is is not all, we will keep fighting let's see who blinks.i still offer SMS to back down declare fgm over, disband dbwfrf propoganda group, let us take over the cleanup and get rid of this practice. It will save you millions in legal fees and public embarrassment. Sensible abdes go talk to your leaders to co-operate with the authorities.

I know people are skeptical, you can find the decision now on the High Court of Australia website records . Dated 15 Feb 2019. Next the court will set dates and with how busy they are this could take many month to years to finish. So be patient. We will be together for a long time sharing commentary.

The Australian government appeal in the Dawoodi Bohra FGM case has been accepted by the High Court.

The decision to accept the appeal by the Australian High Court (which is superior to the NSW Supreme Court) is listed as case #8 in this status ruling.

Muffy's troubles are never ending - will he utilize the services of Lacewalla to "help convince" the Australian High Court?

Or perhaps a personal Muffy visit to Australia is on the cards for some tikka parties with politicians? After his rant in Surat about how FGM is necessary - just two months ago in December 2018 - I am sure Muffy would welcome the opportunity to talk about his interpretation of the shariat to the authorities. After all, this is an issue of religious freedom - what right do these foreign governments have to interfere in his rights?

DBWRF should also send a few ladies to explain the details how the khafz practice has been "fully medicalised" and involves no cutting at all but only "allowing the skin to sniff the steel".......

[MohammedG]

If you read the entire story, this was acquittal from federal prosecution based on constitutionality, but it is still illegal in State of Michigan and State charges may be coming up.

Mr. "Smart Bohra Man (SBM)":
The Federal judge has thrown out ALL charges against ALL defendents, as they were based on a law passed by the US Congress that is ruled as "unconstitutional ". As for the Michigan State law, it was enacted AFTER this case was brought to the.court -- and specifically, as a reactionary move (or an afterthought). Regardless, in the United States, you cannot charge anyone "retroactively". BTW, did you notice that this judgement came on the day of Milaad-un-Nabi. To me, that is not a "coincidence", but a solid affirmation of my faith and belief that "Rsulallah's Shariat is always fresh, and will remain so forever." May the enemies of Dawat continue to burn in their fire of jealousy and hatred forever. Aameen.

Regardless of what is going on in the legal system.....

What everyone is missing is how abhorrent ordinary lay people find the khafz practice. It is really not so difficult to see how, the longer Muffy continues to defend forcing this practice on young girls, the deeper is the hole that he digs himself and the Dawoodi Bohra community into. He has picked a fight with the big boys of law enforcement - it is not going to be so easy to win the longer term war - they are not part of his Maula Maula Mufaddal Maula chanting squad.

You can see the disgust in this reporters eyes, as Dawat's US lawyer tries to defend the khafz practice. Muffy's men come up with a different story in every country. In the US they argue that the law is unconstitutional, in Oz they were (rather disingenuously) arguing "that we did not know" and (even more disingenuously) that "we don't cut anything", and in India it is supposedly a "religious freedom" to impose this on young children who might not even grow up to be followers of the religion. If, as they claimed in the Australian courts "we don't cut anything" then what is the point of khafz? And why does Dawat's US lawyer say to the contrary - that they cut.

Muffy seems to be quite tone-deaf. He doesn't understand the damage he is doing to our community's name by dragging everyone through the muck. This is a battle he can never win, and he is taking on forces that are way beyond the petty "influence" that he pretends to carry with him wherever he goes.

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[Biradar]

Unlike what say MohammedG and others claim, the reality is that amongst the main-stream Bohras, the support for FGM is probably very high. Muffy, even though he may appear to people of discernment as an ignorant buffoon, is considered by his followers as equal to the Prophet or even god Himself. People cling to his every word and every action, follow him around like mindless sheep and shout and screech at the top of the voice when they catch a glance of him.

If we look at the Bohras today and compare them to say the 70s or the 80s, you will find that fanaticism is on the rise. People then were much more modern than they are today. There was great diversity in dress, language and culture; a strong class of mostly secular intellectuals existed; and people did not consider extreme religious fanaticism as a virtue. Fast forward a few decades. Under the highly emotional and manipulative leadership of SMB the Bohras have been transformed into a bunch of uniformly fanatical sheep. All signs of intellectuality is gone. No more diversity in dress or culture but a homogenous mass of standard-issue dress, same boring language (in which no literature is produced at all), and a complete suppression of any creativity. Now, people are reduced to licking spoons and plates, taking their girls across to the butcher across state-lines to have her genitals mutilated and non-stop 24/7 mataam, then jamaan, followed by licking and then satisfied burping. The change is truly amazing.

One may wonder how this change came about, but that is a discussion for another day.

As to FGM, one can see that the top leadership as well as many women themselves are pro-FGM. If it was the case that the support for FGM was only amongst the mullahs, then the battle to eradicate FGM would be easy. The reality is that FGM is widely supported. The act is described in canonical religious handbooks (for example, the manual edited by SMB's wife) and now Muffy himself rants and raves about it on important occasions. To expect opposition from people who have been brainwashed for decades to do everything the da'i says, is very naive. In fact, with the increasing and total surrender of all aspects of Bohra life to the mullahs even the question of opposing Muffy does not come into the fanatics mind. If you can lick plates and spoons and surrender even your most fundamental act of determining what you eat to Muffy, then why not genital mutilation of seven or eight year old girls?

Eventually, these various cases against FGM will not change anything. Given the widespread global spread of the problem, FGM will only go underground if there is strong opposition from local law enforcement. It won't be eradicated unless the fundamental question of religious authority and self-determination are resolved. Sadly, these are very far from being resolved, and, in fact, the mass of opinions is going in the exact opposite direction we would like. The worst situation is the Detroit case. Now that Ms. Jumana aka Dr Mengele is no longer facing Federal charges, FGM will probably be openly practiced in the US. Why fear when judges interpret US Constitutional law as supporting the right of the parents and community religious leaders over that of a helpless child?

The outcome of these two small US and Australia cases is far from clear. Even in India those who oppose FGM have not managed to get the Central government to pass laws banning the practice. With important elections coming up, specially with BJP and Modi not doing so good, it is unlikely that this issue will be addressed soon. If BJP wins (and Modi will likely be re-elected as PM) they will focus on Ram Temple issue to please the extremist Hindu Sangh Pariwar, not alienate their lover and chela, i.e. Muffy.

So one should not count one's eggs before they are hatched. The battle is far from over and the prognosis is not good.

[zinger]

Unlike what say MohammedG and others claim, the reality is that amongst the main-stream Bohras, the support for FGM is probably very high. Muffy, even though he may appear to people of discernment as an ignorant buffoon, is considered by his followers as equal to the Prophet or even god Himself. People cling to his every word and every action, follow him around like mindless sheep and shout and screech at the top of the voice when they catch a glance of him.

This is so strange a phenomena. It seems like we have literally gone over the top in displaying our "admiration" for Mufaddal Maula. I dont remember seeing this amount of fanatacism ever, for Burhanuddin Maula. There was a lot of love for him, but there was never any screaming of Maula Maula or falling over each other to appease to him. He had a calming effect on most Bohras. While we would also call out to him during deedar saying "Maula Maula", it was never this kind of mad cacaphony i see now

If we look at the Bohras today and compare them to say the 70s or the 80s, you will find that fanaticism is on the rise. People then were much more modern than they are today. There was great diversity in dress, language and culture; a strong class of mostly secular intellectuals existed; and people did not consider extreme religious fanaticism as a virtue. Fast forward a few decades. Under the highly emotional and manipulative leadership of SMB the Bohras have been transformed into a bunch of uniformly fanatical sheep. All signs of intellectuality is gone. No more diversity in dress or culture but a homogenous mass of standard-issue dress, same boring language (in which no literature is produced at all), and a complete suppression of any creativity. Now, people are reduced to licking spoons and plates, taking their girls across to the butcher across state-lines to have her genitals mutilated and non-stop 24/7 mataam, then jamaan, followed by licking and then satisfied burping. The change is truly amazing.

70's maybe, but not 80's. It was in the 80's that saya kurta and rida became mandatory. Bohras of 60's and 70's would be more apt. i personally would feel it wrong to claim that intellectuality died in the reign of Burhanuddin Maula. the others like lack of diversity, same language etc, yes, i agree with

The outcome of these two small US and Australia cases is far from clear. Even in India those who oppose FGM have not managed to get the Central government to pass laws banning the practice. With important elections coming up, specially with BJP and Modi not doing so good, it is unlikely that this issue will be addressed soon. If BJP wins (and Modi will likely be re-elected as PM) they will focus on Ram Temple issue to please the extremist Hindu Sangh Pariwar, not alienate their lover and chela, i.e. Muffy.

So one should not count one's eggs before they are hatched. The battle is far from over and the prognosis is not good.

I would have to disagree. While there is a very strong anti-Modi sentiment, it is more in the political circles. If you ask me, i think BJP is poised to come back with Modi at the helm again.
the political parties right now, are too busy forming coalitions, with everyone from Chandrababu Naidu, to Mamta Bannerjee, to Mayawati, to Nitish Kumar to Sharad Pawar wanting to be the next PM. in
a scenario like this, there is going to be so much infighting if an alliance party comes into power that it will eventually topple in less than 6 months, paving the way for BJP to come aaain

Besides this, as insensitive as I may sound, an i apologise for it beforehand, i dont think the Pulwama attack could have come at a more opportune moment for BJP.
Wilth elections just around the corner, the army is doubtless going to be pressed for a retaliatory strike, the credit for which will go to the current govenment, making them fan favourites once again

[qutub_mamajiwala]

Unlike what say MohammedG and others claim, the reality is that amongst the main-stream Bohras, the support for FGM is probably very high. Muffy, even though he may appear to people of discernment as an ignorant buffoon, is considered by his followers as equal to the Prophet or even god Himself. People cling to his every word and every action, follow him around like mindless sheep and shout and screech at the top of the voice when they catch a glance of him.

If we look at the Bohras today and compare them to say the 70s or the 80s, you will find that fanaticism is on the rise. People then were much more modern than they are today. There was great diversity in dress, language and culture; a strong class of mostly secular intellectuals existed; and people did not consider extreme religious fanaticism as a virtue. Fast forward a few decades. Under the highly emotional and manipulative leadership of SMB the Bohras have been transformed into a bunch of uniformly fanatical sheep. All signs of intellectuality is gone. No more diversity in dress or culture but a homogenous mass of standard-issue dress, same boring language (in which no literature is produced at all), and a complete suppression of any creativity. Now, people are reduced to licking spoons and plates, taking their girls across to the butcher across state-lines to have her genitals mutilated and non-stop 24/7 mataam, then jamaan, followed by licking and then satisfied burping. The change is truly amazing.

One may wonder how this change came about, but that is a discussion for another day.

As to FGM, one can see that the top leadership as well as many women themselves are pro-FGM. If it was the case that the support for FGM was only amongst the mullahs, then the battle to eradicate FGM would be easy. The reality is that FGM is widely supported. The act is described in canonical religious handbooks (for example, the manual edited by SMB's wife) and now Muffy himself rants and raves about it on important occasions. To expect opposition from people who have been brainwashed for decades to do everything the da'i says, is very naive. In fact, with the increasing and total surrender of all aspects of Bohra life to the mullahs even the question of opposing Muffy does not come into the fanatics mind. If you can lick plates and spoons and surrender even your most fundamental act of determining what you eat to Muffy, then why not genital mutilation of seven or eight year old girls?

Eventually, these various cases against FGM will not change anything. Given the widespread global spread of the problem, FGM will only go underground if there is strong opposition from local law enforcement. It won't be eradicated unless the fundamental question of religious authority and self-determination are resolved. Sadly, these are very far from being resolved, and, in fact, the mass of opinions is going in the exact opposite direction we would like. The worst situation is the Detroit case. Now that Ms. Jumana aka Dr Mengele is no longer facing Federal charges, FGM will probably be openly practiced in the US. Why fear when judges interpret US Constitutional law as supporting the right of the parents and community religious leaders over that of a helpless child?

The outcome of these two small US and Australia cases is far from clear. Even in India those who oppose FGM have not managed to get the Central government to pass laws banning the practice. With important elections coming up, specially with BJP and Modi not doing so good, it is unlikely that this issue will be addressed soon. If BJP wins (and Modi will likely be re-elected as PM) they will focus on Ram Temple issue to please the extremist Hindu Sangh Pariwar, not alienate their lover and chela, i.e. Muffy.

So one should not count one's eggs before they are hatched. The battle is far from over and the prognosis is not good.

religious fantaticism or conservativeness is on rise in every community or religion across the world more or less
just look at the geo political situation
bohras have not come from mars

[Ozdundee]

Melbourne, Australia (CNN) — One of the most powerful men in the Roman Catholic Church was brought down by the lone voice.

Vatican treasurer Cardinal George Pell, now a convicted pedophile, was a close adviser to the Pope, personally appointed by Francis as the Vatican's minister of Economy and, until October, was a member of the Pope's Council of nine advisers.

The police were from Sex Crimes unit. The same type as involved in Bohra FGM.

Pell's conviction is the result of years of police work, including a special task force set up to solely investigate claims against the cardinal.

https://edition-m.cnn.com/2019/02/26/au ... cnn.com%2F

Abdes look at the similarities you think you will get away with FGM. I too wish SMS comes over to Melbourne.

I can confidently say Au Police in solving sex crimes are world leading unit better than FBI, and UK God help UK they bungled all the FGM cases that I know of.

[Madafubaridi]

Woman jailed for 11 years in the U.K. for performing FGM

https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/08/uk/fgm-u ... -intl-gbr/

[Reporter]

Pro-FGM Cultish Indian Cleric Controls 40 US Mosques


The group, Dawoodi Bohra, is led by a cleric in India, Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin, who publicly preaches that members “must” perform FGM “discreetly.” The Bohra is a small Shiite sect with only about 1.2 million followers, including about 12,000 in America.

“The act has to happen! If it is a man, then it is right, it can be openly done, but if it’s a woman, then it must be done discreetly, but then the act is to be done. Please understand what I am trying to talk about,” Saifuddin said in April 2016.

https://clarionproject.org/pro-fgm-cult ... s-mosques/

[Ozdundee]

“The department has reluctantly determined that … it lacks a reasonable defense of the (law), as currently worded, and will not pursue an appeal,” Solicitor General Noel Francisco wrote in an April 10 letter to Congress, calling FGM “an especially heinous practice … that should be universally condemned.”
“Although the Department has determined not to appeal the district court’s decision, it recognizes the severity of the charged conduct, its lifelong impact on victims' time and the importance of a federal prohibition on FGM committed on minors,” wrote Francisco, who urged Congress to amend the 1996 statute to give it more teeth.

Alhamdullillah we are proud and appreciate the FBI assistance to take us this far and bring to public attention the abhorrent practices. Next time law will not be so understanding.

[juzer esmail]

But will they press other charges?

[SBM]

FBI takes its own time to build case, stay tuned

[Ozdundee]

Australia Federal High Court Session begins from June 2019 to review the NSW Appeal Court decision.

[juzer esmail]

Do you have any official link for this news? Please share

[Mkenya]

'The Economist', a welknown British newsmagazin, in its June 1, 2019 issue has an article called "The First Cut".

economist.com/united-states/2019/05/30/seven-american-states-have-criminalised-fgm-this-year

[dal-chaval-palidu]

https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/ ... 639431002/

Seems like US Congress is trying to appeal. Any further update on it?

[Mkenya]

Reposting

https://www.economist.com/united-states ... -this-year

[ajamali]

https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/ ... 639431002/

Seems like US Congress is trying to appeal. Any further update on it?

I urge all US citizens to encourage their representatives to follow-up on this.

[Ozdundee]

The reach of laws against female genital mutilation (FGM) will be tested in the High Court today.


http://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-06-12/h ... n/11200674

[Ozdundee]

In around a month High Court will make its judgement for retrial or advice next steps.

[Ozdundee]

The Government brings in United Nations and World Health Organisation.

Dawaat in Australia case want to question the accuracy of the law as they did in Detroit .

This issue has also frustrated Rep Ilham Omar to make a public rebuke to Bohra FGM last week.

https://youtu.be/BCcd-HaIWd4

This matter is going on for 8 years and it is hurting SMS, he cannot travel freely to UK USA Canada Australia and new Zealand.

Still chance for Sayedna Mufadal to swallow his ego and come out banning this abhorrent practices.