Mr. Insaaf: Your reporting is biased and outright lies.syedna Mohammed Badruddin A.Q. died of an illnes, he definitely was not poisoned. You have the books, research them carefully before you corrupt other minds.
Also Syedna Mohammed Badruddin's A.Q. nas was done in public. Those who had witnessed it their 4th generation is alive and they will testify to it. These are ordinary folks, not on the center stage or in the lime light. You just have to go looking for them.
Adamjee peerbhoy was a good man. The problem started with his children. When Adamjee died Syedna Abdullah Badruddin A.Q. was not in Mumbai. One of the hoodoods of Daa'wat personally looked into the burial process. Syedna Abdullah Badruddin A.Q. attended the chehlum majlis. Adamjee peerbhoy's children had written a marsiyah for their father and wanted to recite this in public. Syedna Abdullah Badruddin A.Q. did not give them the raza.Adamjee's children were upset and angry for this denial and they started the animosity towards Daiullah and the Daa'wat.
Kaka Akela: Dai mazoon and mukasir all three are performing their duties assigned to them. When a person has jaundice he tends to see all yellow. Get rid of the illness. If you are looking for recognition for your huge amount of donation (if any) then that recognation is very temporary.Every single shehzada of present Dai is approachable to listen to your grievances. Go to them instead of hiding like a mouse, be a man.Many people have personally felt their (shehzadas) generosity in giving advice and or helping them out economically.
Also your definition of cult was absolutely wrong. We are a culture not a cult. A person should study Anthropolgy, Sociology and, Human Behavior Psychology before making any judgement on any observable behavioral aspect of any group of humans or non humans.
All of you need to remember that every single Dawoodi Bohra is God fearing, and is following Rasulullah's S.A. sunnat to the best of his or her ability in this very temporary abode of ours. They are honest, hard working human beings believing in Dai and his office. Not only their wajebaats are paid on time but in their private lives they help out other needy families physically and monitarily. You just do not know about them. They are just very ordinary folks. There are always exceptions to the rule but exceptions do not generate the rules.
What I see here is mixing of two issues. Dai's exalted office and world wide corruption. Do not mix the two. Do not leave the truth(haq) just because corruption bothers you.
Vassalaam.
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I guess kaki akela is an NRI and not a residing Indian Bohra. Quite unaware of the facts.
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accountability
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welcome kaki akela, we will always appreciate your educated insight into present day scenario.Dai mazoon and mukasir all three are performing their duties assigned to them.
Having said that, your above quotation do not do justice to the facts, which are contrary to your statement. Let me remind you (as i suppose you are already an insider) what happened in last two years between the shahzadas and mazoon saheb. Let me remind you his deewan's mishandling by syedul khair bhaisaheb, maula's nephew, brother in law of shahzada muffadal bhaisaheb and amil of surat in mazoon saheb's presence. Let me remind you mazoon saheb's son's waaz, in which he was more antagonistic towards present administration than many on this site.
I hope you also remember past episodes. Mazoon saheb is never seen with aqa maula or with his family. I hope you remember what happened in mid and early eighties, when mazoon saheb claimed.
mukasir saheb is nowhere to be seen except brief wadhawa nu or such occasion.
shahzada's may be a helping hand to few of those, who either happen to be near them or for some reason. But kaki akela the corruption starts from top, when a visiting shahzada enjoys brand new car for a brief period or when he brandishes expensive watches, do not fall in conformity with our dawat principle.
Kaki akeli, if you could come up with a plausible explanation for bribing the income tax officials in india and pakistan. why do they have to submit false returns, so that it becomes essential to bribe them. Do shahzadas while visiting north america and europe declare their income, which they earn either in salam or najwa, do you concur with this tax evasion. if you dont then, there is room for you to join ones who are striving to bring dawat and seat of dai to its original meaning.
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Kaki, welcome.
You seem to be mixing your genders. If you're a kaki then you should be akeli not akela. But if you're actually both or neither, my apologies.
You're right when you show concern about "Dai's exalted office" because that's the point reformists have been making. They are saying that this exalted office has been debased by a corrupt and negligent incumbent, and that his administration has turned the community into his personal fiefdom.
It is sad that all your knowledge of "Anthropolgy, Sociology and, Human Behavior Psychology" has led you to see the 'cult' as culture. But if you had studied little harder you would have understood that 'culture' itself is a kind of generic cult, a human artefact that displays the same flaws and idiosyncrasies as that of humans. Invoking 'culture' for your defence is, I'm afraid, not a very cultured thing to do. Nor does it do justice to your erudition.
You seem to be mixing your genders. If you're a kaki then you should be akeli not akela. But if you're actually both or neither, my apologies.
You're right when you show concern about "Dai's exalted office" because that's the point reformists have been making. They are saying that this exalted office has been debased by a corrupt and negligent incumbent, and that his administration has turned the community into his personal fiefdom.
It is sad that all your knowledge of "Anthropolgy, Sociology and, Human Behavior Psychology" has led you to see the 'cult' as culture. But if you had studied little harder you would have understood that 'culture' itself is a kind of generic cult, a human artefact that displays the same flaws and idiosyncrasies as that of humans. Invoking 'culture' for your defence is, I'm afraid, not a very cultured thing to do. Nor does it do justice to your erudition.
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Kaki is a gender. Akela is a surname.
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"akela" a surname? Oops! Never knew that. Put that down to my ignorance. My apologies.
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Kaki Akela is a male who is another kothari apologist wearing a fake glow of deen and trying to fudge facts with pretence of rationality and knowledge. He is doing this with the typical kothari chicanery that sounds very persuasive to naive and insecure souls. He is also trying to make us believe that all those bohras whom he is speaking for actually agree with him.
Normally I would call such people pseudo educated. But no, this is not the case with kaki akela. He is a cohort in Syedna's dirty business and gets his salary from the empire of tyranny. Inspite of knowing the ugly truth of present dai, he is defending him and his system. He is not the moron he is appearing to be BUT a shrwed kothari hawk.
Normally I would call such people pseudo educated. But no, this is not the case with kaki akela. He is a cohort in Syedna's dirty business and gets his salary from the empire of tyranny. Inspite of knowing the ugly truth of present dai, he is defending him and his system. He is not the moron he is appearing to be BUT a shrwed kothari hawk.
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Mr. Insaaf: Your reporting is biased and outright lies.syedna Mohammed Badruddin A.Q. died of an illnes, he definitely was not poisoned. You have the books, research them carefully before you corrupt other minds.
Also Syedna Mohammed Badruddin's A.Q. nas was done in public. Those who had witnessed it their 4th generation is alive and they will testify to it. These are ordinary folks, not on the center stage or in the lime light. You just have to go looking for them.
I do not want to fall in to this controversy. But since Kaki have leveled serious charges against me of being biased and telling outright lies, I would like to tell her that the controversy was regarding Nass on 47th Dai Sayedna Yusuf Najmuddin Saheb and not regarding Nass on 46th Dai Sayed Badruddin Saheb. Late Sayedna Taher Saifuddin Saheb had also referred to this, much talked of Inqitae-nass and refuted it in his celebrated book “Zue-Nure-Haqqul-Mubin” on page 99 to 103. The whole controversy of poisoning 46th Dai and nass on 46th Dai has been discussed thoroughly in Burhanpur Dargah Case also. Though present day reformist Bohras accept the high office of the Dai-ul-Mutlaq though they are against the misuse of this office by late Sayedna Taher Saifuddin Saheb and Sayedna Mhd. Burhanuddin Saheb and they will continue to do so.
Also Syedna Mohammed Badruddin's A.Q. nas was done in public. Those who had witnessed it their 4th generation is alive and they will testify to it. These are ordinary folks, not on the center stage or in the lime light. You just have to go looking for them.
Also Syedna Mohammed Badruddin's A.Q. nas was done in public. Those who had witnessed it their 4th generation is alive and they will testify to it. These are ordinary folks, not on the center stage or in the lime light. You just have to go looking for them.
I do not want to fall in to this controversy. But since Kaki have leveled serious charges against me of being biased and telling outright lies, I would like to tell her that the controversy was regarding Nass on 47th Dai Sayedna Yusuf Najmuddin Saheb and not regarding Nass on 46th Dai Sayed Badruddin Saheb. Late Sayedna Taher Saifuddin Saheb had also referred to this, much talked of Inqitae-nass and refuted it in his celebrated book “Zue-Nure-Haqqul-Mubin” on page 99 to 103. The whole controversy of poisoning 46th Dai and nass on 46th Dai has been discussed thoroughly in Burhanpur Dargah Case also. Though present day reformist Bohras accept the high office of the Dai-ul-Mutlaq though they are against the misuse of this office by late Sayedna Taher Saifuddin Saheb and Sayedna Mhd. Burhanuddin Saheb and they will continue to do so.
Also Syedna Mohammed Badruddin's A.Q. nas was done in public. Those who had witnessed it their 4th generation is alive and they will testify to it. These are ordinary folks, not on the center stage or in the lime light. You just have to go looking for them.
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Please read as:
The whole controversy of poisoning 46th Dai and nass on '47th Dai' has been discussed thoroughly in Burhanpur Dargah Case also.
The whole controversy of poisoning 46th Dai and nass on '47th Dai' has been discussed thoroughly in Burhanpur Dargah Case also.
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This is what I gather is history of the succession of Dais since the 45th Dai.
45th Dai nominated his son-in-law to be the 46th Dai. This caused consternation among the sons of the 45th Dai, who thought that succession should pass to one of them. They never forgave the 46th Dai (their brother-in-law).
The 46th Dai wished to nominate a Mr X (unknown) to be the 47th Dai. However, it is alleged that he, the 46th Dai, was poisoned to death before he could proclaim nass.
The Daiship reverted to one of the sons of the 45th Dai. Abdul Qadir Najmuddin became the 47th Dai in what amounts to a palace intrigue. Nass on Abdul Qadir Najmuddin is a matter of controversy.
All the Dais since the 47th are from one single family, that of the 45th Dai.
45th Dai nominated his son-in-law to be the 46th Dai. This caused consternation among the sons of the 45th Dai, who thought that succession should pass to one of them. They never forgave the 46th Dai (their brother-in-law).
The 46th Dai wished to nominate a Mr X (unknown) to be the 47th Dai. However, it is alleged that he, the 46th Dai, was poisoned to death before he could proclaim nass.
The Daiship reverted to one of the sons of the 45th Dai. Abdul Qadir Najmuddin became the 47th Dai in what amounts to a palace intrigue. Nass on Abdul Qadir Najmuddin is a matter of controversy.
All the Dais since the 47th are from one single family, that of the 45th Dai.
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Kaka Akela
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My good wife has passed many many years ago but nice to know that I have a net wife or a nut wife, who says I have jaundice but doesn't realize that she suffers from the most severe case of brain wash or brain removal. You are told the history by the very people who like to misguide you, i.e they have inserted sajda to Rasulullah, SA and to all imams in their books and bayaans to justify or mollify or placate anyone objecting to sajda in current times. If you go outside of the fold and search the big database of Islamic history there is no mention of Sajda to Rasulullah, SA or to Imams. Similarly the misaq has been changed in previous Dai's time to include Dai as the religious and temporal head who owns you body,soul and all your property, this was not in the misaq as late as the 50th Dai's time. So don't tell me I have jaundice, you have no brain because you don't even know what are the duties of Mazoon and Mukasir and you claim they are doing their jobs properly, how would you know that. The only jobs they do well is to ask for exorbitant salaams for their ziafat. If you ever come to Texas look me over as I need a wife w/o brain.
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If you ever come to Texas look me over as I need a wife w/o brain.
