DAI

[khuzema]

Every religion/sect thinks that they have monopoly with God’s relation. Every religion/sect thinks that theirs is superior then rest of the world’s religions/sects. Every religion/sect thinks thanks that their way is the ‘only way’/’fastest way’ to god.

Every religion/sect has their own proofs regarding their superiority.

I think no one way is better then the other. There are as many ways to God as there are souls of men.

According to this church I am wrong. And there is only one way to God and that is theirs (Jesus Christ).Click here

[khuzema]

According to this survey question more then 76% of people answered that there is one and the only one way to god and that is Jesus Christ.

http://ca.answers.yahoo.com/question/in ... ll-answers

[khuzema]

Islam believes in pluralism and diversity.

Quran regards plurality as a given matter and part of the will of God (masyî’atullah). Surah al-Hujarat 13 explained that Allah has created humans male and female, and has made them nations and tribes (sya’b wa qabîlah) that they may know and learn one another.

pluralism as Quran described is this: to know and learn one another (li ta’ârafû), and not to fight each other (li takhâshamû), or to regard one another infidel (li takâfarû), or to kill each other (li taqâtalû)!

Any one who says La Ilaha Illallah is Muslim Period. Now how he/she follows the rest of the things is between him and Allah.

[Average Bohra]

Originally posted by anajmi:
A bhisaheb recently found out that I pray in a Sunni mosque and at 5 separate times. When my mom had to pay him a visit to fill his pockets, he told my mom that your son is no longer a shia or a believer in Hazrat Ali because he prays 5 separate times. Of course all was forgiven once the money exchanged hands.

Your story is highly suspect. I doubt that the bhai saheb would be OK with you praying in a Sunni mosque and simply have trouble with you praying five times. Furthermore, your mommy would be excommunicated were it public knowledge that you were a Wahabi.

...and for good reason.

[tahir]

Originally posted by khuzema:
Islam believes in pluralism and diversity.

Quran regards plurality as a given matter and part of the will of God (masyî’atullah). Surah al-Hujarat 13 explained that Allah has created humans male and female, and has made them nations and tribes (sya’b wa qabîlah) that they may know and learn one another.

pluralism as Quran described is this: to know and learn one another (li ta’ârafû), and not to fight each other (li takhâshamû), or to regard one another infidel (li takâfarû), or to kill each other (li taqâtalû)!

Any one who says La Ilaha Illallah is Muslim Period. Now how he/she follows the rest of the things is between him and Allah.

Well said khuzema,
We wish Syedna realises this and stop issuing baraat and torcher orders for those who follow bohraism in their own way.

[anajmi]

Average Moron,

By that standard your mommy must've been excommunicated too, or did she kiss the dai's thigh?

[kalim]

Anajmi: I agree with AB on two points: (a) you need to get more creative in insulting people. It is getting rather predictable and boring. (b) Your story is highly suspect. It is possible that the bhaisaheb may say you are no longer shia as you pray in a Sunni mosque, but not because you pray 5 times separately. That is quite ridiculous. But I agree with you that he would not excommunicate your mother just because you are no longer a bohra. As long as you do not actively oppose them (say by filing court cases) they will leave you and your family alone.

As to my observation of Pune mosque, it is easy for anyone to verify, and I am sure that the same situation exists in most mosques in India. Even in the US people usually spend about an hour between magrib and isha namaaz during Ramazan. All sunnat and nafilat prayers are performed by those interested. Some people are not but that is upto them, and not a bohra trait in general.

Your story is a type of "pious fraud". Such tales have been told for centuries and much of the hadith literature (and other scripture) is of the same sort. People feel if they have to tell a small lie to achieve a good end, maybe god will not mind as surely it is in his service. Then, gradually, when the events are so remote that they are impossible to verify, the lie becomes the "truth". Maybe such fraud was the "truth" feelgud was talking about in his other post.

Anyway, this topic has been beaten to death now and before several times. If you really value unity of the so-called ummah it may be a good idea to let such things go. I am all for discussion and debates, but not insulting each other. If we call each other names on such small things then chances of unity on more important things are quite impossible.

[anajmi]

Kalim,

I disagree with you on two points.

1) There are only so many ways you can call a moron, a moron, besides, I am not trying to entertain you over here so if you think it is getting boring, you are welcome to ignore my posts.

2) If you think my story is suspect, more power to you. I don't give a damn.

[jamanpasand]

Five prayers, two points - ???
Kids learning numbers

[anajmi]

Kalim,

I actually ignored your post before, but since there was nothing new I went through it.

Your story is a type of "pious fraud". Such tales have been told for centuries and much of the hadith literature (and other scripture) is of the same sort. People feel if they have to tell a small lie to achieve a good end, maybe god will not mind as surely it is in his service. Then, gradually, when the events are so remote that they are impossible to verify, the lie becomes the "truth". Maybe such fraud was the "truth" feelgud was talking about in his other post.

More of your scientific skills put to use over here I guess.

Here you are assuming my story is a lie. You have no proof, it is only your belief. Now if you were smart enough, you would apply some real scientific thinking to the other stories that you consider a lie and who knows, may be you will see the truth. My story is a fact, and no matter how much you morons claim it to be suspect, it will remain a fact, same as with every other story that you refer to in your "scientific", I guess, comparison. It's a good thing, cause it only strengthens my belief in those stories.

And another point, if you had been reading carefully in this thread, you would've seen that I haven't argued against praying three times, I have only argued with people like you and Humsafar and the average moron. That is because I do not consider you to be a part of the ummah.

[anajmi]

A small correction, as I know, the scientific brain will not accept it.

I actually ignored your post before, but since there was nothing new I went through it.

I ignored the rest of your post after I read "Pune".

[Average Bohra]

Originally posted by anajmi:
Here you are assuming my story is a lie. You have no proof, it is only your belief. Now if you were smart enough, you would apply some real scientific thinking

I met a Wahabi Taliban Biotech scientist yesterday named Rona, she (yes, a female Wahabi scientist) was from the rural village of Khewa.She has the human genome down pat.She told me that she saw a guy named Anajmi, (who lives in the US) getting blown by a goat in Khewa.

OK, Einstein..use your scientific knowledge and prove her wrong.

[anajmi]

Was the goat's name Average Moron?

[tahir]

lol...