can we eat smthin cooked by a hindu

[makberi]

though i havent heard the syedna mention this in any of his bayans ...but many bohris believe that one shudnt eat anythin cooked by a "kafir"......like hindus or sikhs.....how true is this???

[Zeal]

Definitely not non-veg, but I think anything apart from that can be , remember to read bismillah before eating and all becomes good.

[Muslim First]

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Br. Zeal wrote

---, remember to read bismillah before eating and all becomes good.

A Mumsim should say Bismillah before he eates, but all food does not become good for him. One should avoid eating Haraam food. Correct me if I am wrong.

Wasalaam
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[Muslim First]

. Typo

Mumsim
should real Muslim
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[Muslim First]

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Try again

. Typo

Mumsim
should read Muslim

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[Zeal]

Br MF,
Thats why I wrote Definitely not non-veg in the beginning of my post.

Maybe you missed the point there

[anajmi]

I think you can eat food cooked by a Hindu as long as the meat has been sacrificed in the name of Allah.

[Zeal]

Well, in this case you cant be sure whether meat has been sacrificed in the name of Allah.

And when in doubt its always better to avoid.

[anajmi]

brother zeal,

There are a lot of muslims places in the US that do not server halal meat. In some places they serve halah chicken but the lamb is not halal. So, if you want to eat only halal then you have to ask, whether it is a muslim restaurant or a hindu restaurant. The halal place that I get my take out from mostly, has mexican cooks.

[seeker110]

After talking to a number of restuarant owners I have found that the cheapest lamb meat comes from newzealand and since their meat is sold to the middleeast,they sell only halal meat.So all lamb in US is halal.Only problem now is the money that buys the meat is earned through halal sources,not collected in the name of the poor and needy.I wonder if the jaman at the jamatkhana is halal?

[SBM]

Eating Food coming from a Hindu's House

Answered by Shaykh Faraz Rabbani, SunniPath Academy Teacher
Sometime our neigbor and us exchange foods, so i wanted to ask you that since she is a Hindu, are we allowed to eat her food as long as it is not from there worship or anything, because most of the food she sends us is vegitable mostly and if there is chicken its halal, because she buys halal chicken , she says its better.

Walaikum assalam wa rahmatullah,

I pray that this finds you well, and in the best of health and spirits. May Allah grant you all good and success in this life and the next.

There is nothing intrinsically wrong in accepting permissible food from non-Muslims (or giving them food) . Rather, it is praiseworthy to promote good relationships with other faith communities in a dignified manner.

And Allah alone gives success.

Faraz Rabbani

[accountability]

Mr Rabbani is right. When we were in Dubai, our neighhours were hindus, I was very young, i used to go to my neighbour, and she would cook for me out of affection, but when i got back to home, and if i was carrying food from her, my mother would throw it. I used to resent and protest. But more so I was baffled. I could not understand, why is it forbidden to eat from her house.

Once I asked my father, and he replied, your mother is gone crazy. I kinda agreed with him.

I did my research, In pre nabawat era, rasulilah used to eat food cooked by his aunt, abu talib's wife, who was a staunch pagan.

Nothing in quran or hadiths forbids eating food cooked by any one. The only forbidden are dead animals, creeping insects, and pork.

[porus]

Quran forbids eating anything on which the name of other than Allah is invoked.

That means you cannot partake of Prasaad offered by your friendly Hindu neighbor or friend..

And, of course, you cannot take part in any salawaat or fateha jaman. Bohras definitely invoke other names, besides Allah, when reciting salawaat and fateha.

So if you are a Bohra, avoid going to salawaat and fateha jamans. Got it?

[makberi]

i had a few relatives cme over frm khi....who strictly followed this practice.....i dunno wats the source of this view....havent really heard this from the syedna so cant blame him.....
its really weird cuz once my uncle asked the waiter if he was a hindu or a muslim....n i got really worked up.....i mean all of us are God's creations so y shud we differentiate between ppl like that.....
i wud like to know wats the view of the conservatives on this issue..dont get me wrong guys....i dunno wats the source of this view....it mite not be frm the syedna...in either case reform is needed..whether its attributable to the syedna or not....being intellectuals of the community we shud work towards removing these wrong ideas......

[mburhan]

Hindu scientists, manufacturers,growers of food and food supplements, including medicines, now all over the world are instrumental and responsible for directly or indirectly producing,financing or preparing these essential life preserving commodities.

If we follow these so called hypocrite ulemas, naysayers or die-hard radical Muslims, we will surely perish in this and the other world to come!!!!

[Zeal]

quote fom porus
And, of course, you cannot take part in any salawaat or fateha jaman. Bohras definitely invoke other names, besides Allah, when reciting salawaat and fateha
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Does this makes sense?

Fateha is done for dead people so that Allah relaxes their souls and sends peace on them.

So if their names are not read before eating fateha jaman, how come Allah will do the needful.

[Hussain_KSA]

Brother porus's post might jolt to most of members of this board but he is right and I am agreed with him. Many of my friends attended the marriage of my sister some 18 years ago but they did not eat the dinner as our family had mentioned on the invitation card " Batufaile Panjetane Paak"

Sorry folks. I did not mean to hurt any body's feelings.

Regards

[porus]

Salawaat can be, and often is, invoked on Prophets and Imams without any food being involved.

Food is specially made for offering salawaat to Dais and Fateha to rhe dead. If the intention is simply to pray for them, why is the food required?

You are eating that food while invoking the names. I think Quran forbids that.

[Zeal]

I thought we were talking about taking names before eating and not particularly about food.

The original tradition and intention was charity which involved giving food to poor so that the sawab reaches the dead(when invoked in his name)

I agree fully that the present day bohris has totally blown this out of proportion and transformed it into a greedy ritual for their own profit and fun.

[porus]

Let me more dramatic.

Before you eat what is being put in front of you for salawaat or fateha, are you not in effect saying, "I eat this food in the name of such-and-such person. May Allah have mercy on him."?

This really is not an important issue.

[Zeal]

When we do fateha,
we read surah fateha (3 times) and say ya allah make his (dead's name) soul rest in peace and then eat !
rather than saying "I eat this food in the name of such-and-such person."

[SBM]

The topic was whether we can eat food cooked by Hindus.
MY QUESTION TO YOU ALL WHEN SYEDNA AND OTHER KOTHARIS FLY ON AIR INDIA OR ANY OTHER AIRLINES, DO THEY ASK THE FLIGHT ATTENDANT IF THE FOOD SERVED IS COOKED BY HINDU OR SOME ONE ELSE

[SBM]

The topic was whether we can eat food cooked by Hindus.
MY QUESTION TO YOU ALL WHEN SYEDNA AND OTHER KOTHARIS FLY ON AIR INDIA OR ANY OTHER AIRLINES, DO THEY ASK THE FLIGHT ATTENDANT IF THE FOOD SERVED IS COOKED BY HINDU OR SOME ONE ELSE

[ponga bhori]

At Niagara Falls, Canada moulana ordered and ate MEAT Hot Dog from stall. Following this the jamaat and other bohris did the same....what monkey does, bhoris do. They propagated this witnessed event for sometime, saying it was okay to eat hot dogs.

[Shahu]

Many Muslims talk about what they call "Halaal Meat" without even knowing the Quranic criteria. Most of those who arrive to the USA or Europe from other countries, or those who convert to Islam in western countries, are usually faced by some Muslims who tell them, "Do not eat but the 'Halaal meat'." What do they really mean by Halaal meat? And how does their concept agree with the Quranic meaning of the word?

The Quran teaches that God is extremely displeased with those who prohibit anything that was not specifically prohibited in the Quran, See 16:112-116. The upholding of any prohibitions not specifically mentioned in the Quran is tantamount to idolatry, See 6:142-152. Such prohibitions represent some other god(s) beside God. If you worship God Alone, you will uphold His Laws Alone and honor the commandments and prohibitions instituted by Him Alone.

God very clearly mentioned in the Quran what is prohibited from the food and meat. See 2:173, 5:3, 6:145 and 16:115. From these verses you can know what is Halaal (lawful) meat and what is Haraam (prohibited).

"He only prohibits for you the eating of animals that die of themselves (without human interference), blood, the meat of pigs, and animals dedicated to other than GOD. If one is forced (to eat these), without being malicious or deliberate, he incurs no sin. GOD is Forgiver, Most Merciful." [2:173]

"Halaal Meat" as we know it these days, is a term used more often for commercial profits than religious observance. Those who call their meat Halaal, are in some way insinuating that any other meat is not Halaal, or specifically the meat in the general grocery (supermarkets in Europe and America) stores is not Halaal. They make more money on their products by selling it more expensively while deceiving the naive Muslims into believing that their meat is the only Halaal meat for them.

You do not need to guess hard to understand the MERCY of the MOST merciful. God Almighty knows many Muslims will be living in the middle of Christians and Jews and will be sharing their food and for this reason God told the Prophet Muhammad (S) more than 1400 years ago, the following;

"Today, all good food is made lawful for you. The food of the People of the Scripture (Jews & Christians) is Lawful (HALAAL) for you......" 5:5

BEFORE EATING: God Almighty has also specified a simple criterion for His true believers. Mention God's name on everything you are going to eat. See 5:4, & 6:118-119. "---- Indeed, many people mislead others with their personal opinions, without knowledge. Your Lord is fully aware of the transgressors."

NOT BEFORE SLAUGHTERING: Sadly, Muslims have substituted God's condition for making food lawful (which is through uttering God's name on it before eating it) by a non-Quranic condition of their own making. Somehow they have made slaughtering (ZABEEHA) the ONLY lawful method of killing an animal for its meat. Needless to say, there is no such restriction in the Quran. As a result of this corrupt restriction, they insist that to make food Halaal the name of God must be uttered on it before slaughtering it. The following arguments all show that this imposed restriction is false and that it is not part of God's Law in the Quran:

01. The first reason is that (unless you are a butcher) you are not the person who slaughtered the animal. And since the Quran is clear in holding people accountable ONLY to what they did personally, then the only certain way to confirm that the name of God has been uttered on the meat is for each person to utter God's Name on the food before eating it.

02. The spiritual reason behind uttering God's Name on our food before eating it is given in 16:114. This is to constantly remember and be appreciative of God's blessings on us: "Therefore, you shall eat from God's provisions everything that is lawful and good, and BE APPRECIATIVE OF GOD'S BLESSINGS, if you do obey Him alone." 16:114
This act of appreciation for God's blessings would not be genuine and heartfelt if we rely on someone else uttering God's name somewhere in the slaughter house.

03. By reading 6:114, we note that the command of uttering God's Name is related to what we eat in general, anything, and not just meat. The command in the verse means that we should utter God's name on all food before eating it and not just meat. This includes fruit, vegetables, or

even snacks like biscuits or peanuts etc. Consequently, and since we cannot slaughter fruit nor peanuts, the only method to obey God's Law is to utter His Name before eating all foods.

04. If we read 5:5, we note that God made it Lawful for us to eat the food of the People of the Scripture (Jews, Christians). But as the Christians in particular do not say the Name of God before slaughtering, yet their food is lawful for us (5:5), this can only mean that the duty is laid on each of us before eating our food and nothing else.

God knew that one day these slaughter houses would be run by machines and computers. He assigned the responsibility to every true Muslim to mention His Name on food.

A HADITH DISCARDED: The Hadith lovers even discard their beloved Bukhari here. It is written in Bukhari that Sahaba Kiraam asked the Prophet, "People bring us meat and we do not know if Allah's name has been mentioned on it." The Prophet replied, "Say BISMILLAH and eat it."

Excerpted from: Islam: The True History and False Beliefs

http://www.ourbeacon.com/7101.html

[porus]

Zeal,

You must have noticed that, for fateha, sweet dishes like kheer and feeni are often put in a thaal. On these dishes is a note which goes like this:

Panjatan Paak na Salawaat
VoraBhai ane Voribai na Fateha

The intention is very clear. You are expected to eat from those dishes to accomplish your prayers. If you just recite the Salawaat and Fateha without eating, you have not completed either Salawaat or Fateha.

So, you are eating in the name of and for those people. You are being disobedient to Allah.

Next time you want to have Fateha recited for someone, ask your Amil for raza to have them performed in majlis or after namaaz, but without offering any food. And let us know what happens.

[porus]

Shahu,

Good post.

In relation to blood being prohibited, Muslim ritual slaughter requires that as much blood is drained out of the animal as posible. In addition, blood has a high uric acid component, which is harmful to humans. Although this is a post-Quran discovery, Halal meat does promote better health.

As for pig meat being prohibited, many ingredients abd products are prepared using it. So, mindful Muslims will avoid those products. Invoking Bismillah before you eat does not take away the responsibilty for a Muslim to be mindful of what he is consuming.

Prasaad is clearly the food that has been dedicated to a Hindu God, not Allah. Therefore it is prohibited. Even if you recite Bismillah before it. Even if it is wholesome and clean and healthy food.

Similarly, Fateha dishes are prepared with the intention of dedicating them to dead people. I think this is contrary to Quran. I see nothing wrong in saying a prayer for the dead. It is the intent for the food that is the problem

[Zeal]

Porus,
You are expected to eat from those dishes to accomplish your prayers. - what does this mean???

I am not arguing about bohris being mad at and about eating, I agree to it fully!

All I am saying is Fateha does not mean eating in the name of people , the original ritual was to make food and distribute it in poor which in other words is also called sadqa so that the dead soul gets the sawab of that sadqa.

Accoring to me I can just read surah fatiha 3 times and let the sawab reach the dead without eating anything!

I think you will get the point this time !

[porus]

Zeal,

I think that we are agreed in essentials.

Praying for the dead does not require any food. So why do we make special dishes for it? The only correct answer is that it is a tradition.

This is similar to saying that sajda for Sayedna does not mean that he is God. It is simply respect. Quran prohibits sajda to anyone except God.

I may be stretching it a bit, but the only way to be sure is to do away the association that food has with Fateha and Salawaat. And do away any association that sajda has with Sayedna.

Quran commands us to invoke salawaat on Prophet. Quran does not ask us to prepare food and eat it before invoking Salawaat.

So, if you do it, put it down to a tradition. Not at all harmful.

[anajmi]

shahu,

Your interpretation is faulty and misleading. I actually didn't even have to read your post to figure that one out but I still did. I won't go into the details cause I don't want to waste everybody's time as everybody knows the difference between vegetables, biscuits and meat and the requirements for them to become halaal.