Very easy.
-Clean shave..
-very very little matam, if any..
-that sarcastic look..
-making jokes at whatever is said in the masjid..
-cant distinguish between kothar and aamil and bhaisaheb...and think all are same....
-dont know one doa from another..
Pls note that ALL of these factors have to be in place AT THE SAME TIME to be considered a progressive otherwise you dont qualify...
Can anyone other Mumin help me with more ways to spot a progresive?
How do we recognise a progressive in our masjid?
Re: How do we recognise a progressive in our masjid?
-Clean shave..
We all were 20 years ago, same Dai, same religious beliefs.
-very very little matam, if any..
None or very little 20 years ago, same Dai, same religious beliefs.
-that sarcastic look..
A Bohri signature
-making jokes at whatever is said in the masjid..
At times it is harder not to
-cant distinguish between kothar and aamil and bhaisaheb...and think all are same....
They are....
-dont know one doa from another..
Most recite them by rote....
Hmmm....all Bohras are progressive ???
....NOT !
We all were 20 years ago, same Dai, same religious beliefs.
-very very little matam, if any..
None or very little 20 years ago, same Dai, same religious beliefs.
-that sarcastic look..
A Bohri signature
-making jokes at whatever is said in the masjid..
At times it is harder not to
-cant distinguish between kothar and aamil and bhaisaheb...and think all are same....
They are....
-dont know one doa from another..
Most recite them by rote....
Hmmm....all Bohras are progressive ???
....NOT !
Re: How do we recognise a progressive in our masjid?
forget 20 years ago. I am talking now..Originally posted by Muddai:
-Clean shave..
We all were 20 years ago, same Dai, same religious beliefs.
-very very little matam, if any..
None or very little 20 years ago, same Dai, same religious beliefs.
-that sarcastic look..
A Bohri signature
-making jokes at whatever is said in the masjid..
At times it is harder not to
-cant distinguish between kothar and aamil and bhaisaheb...and think all are same....
They are....
-dont know one doa from another..
Most recite them by rote....
Hmmm....all Bohras are progressive ???
....NOT !
due to the shave mentality that had corroded the minds of Bohras worldwide thanks to the likes of people like Engineer, the implementation became stricter... thats all.
the laws and sunnat have always been there..
Anyways, dont worry we will recognize you....
specially when you walk in at 4:30 pm
Re: How do we recognise a progressive in our masjid?
heres more ways how to distinguish between a progressive and kothari.
one who does not follow the amil/mulla/leader like a sheep.
one who has the guts to ask/question the amil/mulla/authority.
one who does not follow the amil/mulla/leader like a sheep.
one who has the guts to ask/question the amil/mulla/authority.
Re: How do we recognise a progressive in our masjid?
now that is called a munafiq
not progressive.. u have it confused
not progressive.. u have it confused
Re: How do we recognise a progressive in our masjid?
Another sign to recognise a progressive bohra: that he/she actually have brains, and guts.
And it can be safely said, as a rule of thumb, that whenever you see saya, dhadi, topi and rida you can be sure that sheep are going for slaughter.
And whenever you see a bigger dhadi and/or bigger more elaborate topi you must feel as you would when you saw a pickpocket or a thief.
Another rule of thumb: the bigger the dhadi, the bigger is the crook.
And it can be safely said, as a rule of thumb, that whenever you see saya, dhadi, topi and rida you can be sure that sheep are going for slaughter.
And whenever you see a bigger dhadi and/or bigger more elaborate topi you must feel as you would when you saw a pickpocket or a thief.
Another rule of thumb: the bigger the dhadi, the bigger is the crook.
Re: How do we recognise a progressive in our masjid?
Mumin110Originally posted by Mumin110:
Very easy.
-Clean shave..
-very very little matam, if any..
-that sarcastic look..
-making jokes at whatever is said in the masjid..
-cant distinguish between kothar and aamil and bhaisaheb...and think all are same....
-dont know one doa from another..
Pls note that ALL of these factors have to be in
place AT THE SAME TIME to be considered a progressive otherwise you dont qualify...
Can anyone other Mumin help me with more ways to spot a progresive?
you are becoming paranoid like McCarthy era in 50's in America that everyone looks like this, behave like that is communist every where is communist and same thing back in 50s there was paranoia about how to spot a communist.
you are the sarcastic person and hypocrite so if for example you are Doctor in Hospital you will refuse to give treatment to progressive!!
if some one is clean shaven so by look it is progressive and they don't do mataam you assume it is do with progressive i think youself are just doing for to show others what you do in masjid if you are doing mataam from your heart and mind you shouldn't be observing other mumin in masjid.
I rmember the hypocricy back in 1988 in mumbai when there was riot when present Dai done lanaat on sunni's, many Bohras shaved their beard and hide there shaya and topi as bohras were running for their life. so what you want say about that!
you can come on this message Board and put your views freely, while on kothar web site,it is all censored, same as communism let Kothar be Bold and let us put our views and constructive crticism the way the Bohra community is being manipulated and treated by Kothar Hireachy.
Re: How do we recognise a progressive in our masjid?
All I have to say is that
religion is NOT a democracy.
YOu are not compelled to stay within the fold. The door is open, you are free to leave any time.
It is like any other organisation. THere are certain rules and regulations, if you dont like it, you can leave and join some other fold more suited to your needs. Why do you still linger on?
No one is compelling you to stay in the community.
All you guys talk about is Kothar and Syedna but say we believe in the religious authority of Dai?
Does that make sense??
This talk is not of a Bohra or Shiah. Some one else did the same thing 1400 years ago...
Muawiyah said the same thing to Imam Hasan AS, that you are only religious authority and give us administrative authority.
And today we pray laanat on Muawiya and his progeny. whose son killed Imam hussain AS.
So, you progessives are no better than Muawiya.
It looks like you hate daadi walas(who are actually Mumineen), but Mumineen have pity on you as we all know where you will all end up..
And if we are fortunate, it will be during your lifetimes.. as it woudl be very easy after death for you. We read and hear about it every day so it wont be a surprise when one of you meets similar fates.
religion is NOT a democracy.
YOu are not compelled to stay within the fold. The door is open, you are free to leave any time.
It is like any other organisation. THere are certain rules and regulations, if you dont like it, you can leave and join some other fold more suited to your needs. Why do you still linger on?
No one is compelling you to stay in the community.
All you guys talk about is Kothar and Syedna but say we believe in the religious authority of Dai?
Does that make sense??
This talk is not of a Bohra or Shiah. Some one else did the same thing 1400 years ago...
Muawiyah said the same thing to Imam Hasan AS, that you are only religious authority and give us administrative authority.
And today we pray laanat on Muawiya and his progeny. whose son killed Imam hussain AS.
So, you progessives are no better than Muawiya.
It looks like you hate daadi walas(who are actually Mumineen), but Mumineen have pity on you as we all know where you will all end up..
And if we are fortunate, it will be during your lifetimes.. as it woudl be very easy after death for you. We read and hear about it every day so it wont be a surprise when one of you meets similar fates.
Re: How do we recognise a progressive in our masjid?
LET ME BE SURE
EVERY PROGRESSIVE IS MUNAFIQ
SO, HOW DO YOU FIND A MUNAFIQ WHO IS NOT PROGRESSIVE ?BUT EVERY MUNAFIQ IS NOT PROGRESSIVE
Re: How do we recognise a progressive in our masjid?
Different abde moron, same stupid argument over and over again.
You or Sayedna do not own the community, it is not your organization to tell anyone to leave. The community worked fine before the kothar decided to turn into a Mafia-styled family run business.
Secondly its not as if the kothar will leave you alone once you leave the community, they will ensure you can't meet or speak to your own family members and friends who happen to still be in.
Narrow minded idiots like you can only concentrate on the size of the beard because you have nothing else to show with your leaders in bed with political scum in India.
"the implementation became stricter.. thats all" - Stupid excuse. For decades the kothar had no problem with clean shaven people, then one day they had an itch on their chin and decided people needed to grow beards??? Maybe tomorrow they will become even more stricter and ban internet, TV and maybe also women drivers.
Is it really that important to know who is kothar and aamil and bhaisaheb? Do you go to the mosque to see who has a higher status so that you can kiss their ass? The prophet emphasised the brotherhood and equality among believers and attempted to break down the status and class based society.
It is a sign of a hypocrite to go to the mosque and make a big show of matam with your unbuttoned shirt, dancing around in a circle crying Ya Husain, when the very people you support have more similarity with Yazid whose only concern was obtaining wealth and power, persecuting anyone who came in his way and ensuring the members of his clan had all the top positions. That is exactly what the Kothar is today.
You cry about Imam Husain's death but you forget to remember his life and everything that he stood for, justice, speaking up for the oppressed, and doing what's right no matter what the consequences.
You or Sayedna do not own the community, it is not your organization to tell anyone to leave. The community worked fine before the kothar decided to turn into a Mafia-styled family run business.
Secondly its not as if the kothar will leave you alone once you leave the community, they will ensure you can't meet or speak to your own family members and friends who happen to still be in.
Narrow minded idiots like you can only concentrate on the size of the beard because you have nothing else to show with your leaders in bed with political scum in India.
"the implementation became stricter.. thats all" - Stupid excuse. For decades the kothar had no problem with clean shaven people, then one day they had an itch on their chin and decided people needed to grow beards??? Maybe tomorrow they will become even more stricter and ban internet, TV and maybe also women drivers.
Is it really that important to know who is kothar and aamil and bhaisaheb? Do you go to the mosque to see who has a higher status so that you can kiss their ass? The prophet emphasised the brotherhood and equality among believers and attempted to break down the status and class based society.
It is a sign of a hypocrite to go to the mosque and make a big show of matam with your unbuttoned shirt, dancing around in a circle crying Ya Husain, when the very people you support have more similarity with Yazid whose only concern was obtaining wealth and power, persecuting anyone who came in his way and ensuring the members of his clan had all the top positions. That is exactly what the Kothar is today.
You cry about Imam Husain's death but you forget to remember his life and everything that he stood for, justice, speaking up for the oppressed, and doing what's right no matter what the consequences.
Re: How do we recognise a progressive in our masjid?
well its very easy.. progressive will be clean shaven as advertising for gillet. 2ndly will talk rubbish n will be scared to be beaten up if said n e thing wrong. will hve no manners will eating food in the thaal.. and will also arrive in the masjid when majlis is over.just for food...n special they r in shabby clothes..not even want to look at.
will have unpleasent look on their thobaras, lannti khuda ni lannat.
will have unpleasent look on their thobaras, lannti khuda ni lannat.
Re: How do we recognise a progressive in our masjid?
Its easy to identify a 40+ orthodox bohri women by her peculiar penguin like gait. Over 60% of them suffer with rhumetoid arthritis due to excess protein intake from jamatkhanas while not finding a way to burn it in their sedentry lifestyle of convenience. The situation is aggravated by the wrong sitting posture professed by the dawat. If you are sitting on the floor, the most healthy posture would be that of the yoga style cross legged sitting which is called "alti palti". This keeps the body in balance and the spine straight. But the bohris sit on the thaal and majlis in the most unhealthy style which is convulated and torturesome. This exerts undue stress on the knee. A prolonged practice of such wrong sitting
posture renders the knee joint painful and even dysfunctional in the later half of life. Now a days even most of the bohri males suffer from arthritis.
You can also easily identify ortho bohris by their eating manners. They usually lick and sweep the thaal clean of every grain. They go on stuffing up themselves long after their hunger is satiated. This is due to their ignorance about the food chain and an utter lack of spiritual knowledge. They fail to realise that the left-over of human food is meant for scavengers. Just like the hyenas and vultures feed on the left over of the lion's prey, there are birds, mammals and insects (on land and in water) which feed on the leftover food of human beings (especially in an urban set up). Nature has arranged it this way. The (greedy and selfish) bohris on the other hand believe that all the food they cook should be consumed by
themselves and no other species. They also don't mind overeating to meet this purpose. Ironically enough, they call this practice "respect of rizaq". For creating blocks in the smooth functioning of natural food chain, God punishes bohris by giving them several gastronomical disorders. They dont seem to learn any lesson though. I will not be surprised if they soon
adapt a new practice of cooking and eating (utilising!!) the dead body of a person in his own tijja jaman so that it doesnt go to the insects in the grave.
Another peculiarity of bohris is the reverse order of courses in their normal food. They start with the desert and end with the soup! Kharas and Mithas are alternated in between.
Some other patholigical problems common in orthodox bohris are:
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posture renders the knee joint painful and even dysfunctional in the later half of life. Now a days even most of the bohri males suffer from arthritis.
You can also easily identify ortho bohris by their eating manners. They usually lick and sweep the thaal clean of every grain. They go on stuffing up themselves long after their hunger is satiated. This is due to their ignorance about the food chain and an utter lack of spiritual knowledge. They fail to realise that the left-over of human food is meant for scavengers. Just like the hyenas and vultures feed on the left over of the lion's prey, there are birds, mammals and insects (on land and in water) which feed on the leftover food of human beings (especially in an urban set up). Nature has arranged it this way. The (greedy and selfish) bohris on the other hand believe that all the food they cook should be consumed by
themselves and no other species. They also don't mind overeating to meet this purpose. Ironically enough, they call this practice "respect of rizaq". For creating blocks in the smooth functioning of natural food chain, God punishes bohris by giving them several gastronomical disorders. They dont seem to learn any lesson though. I will not be surprised if they soon
adapt a new practice of cooking and eating (utilising!!) the dead body of a person in his own tijja jaman so that it doesnt go to the insects in the grave.
Another peculiarity of bohris is the reverse order of courses in their normal food. They start with the desert and end with the soup! Kharas and Mithas are alternated in between.
Some other patholigical problems common in orthodox bohris are:
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- <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">A high rate of cardiovescular disorders in young people due to frequent jamatkhana visits. Bohri jamatkhans usually have an unbalanced and unhealthy food and an overall unhygenic atmosphere.</font></li>
- <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">A high percentage of bohris suffer from kidney stones and high uric acid in blood - another "jamatkhana syndrome".</font></li>
- <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Most of the bohris suffer from bad breath,indigestion and gases due to an unbalanced diet and eating at odd times (post majlis). Its easy to spot an orthodox bohri by his unpleasent smell and rumbling sounds. They have to sprinkle themselves with a lot of "ittar" to subdue it.</font></li>
- <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">More bohris suffer from skin deseases than the normal population. Albinism and vitiligo is very common.</font></li>
- <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Low IQ of bohri children due to marriages among first cousins. Many kids also suffer genetic disorders like Down's Syndrome owing to reproduction within a very minute and restricted gene pool. They have a moon like round face, subnormal height, sparse hair and irregular teeth as superficial traits.</font></li>
- <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">A high percentage of bohris suffer from visual disorders. This too is partly a consequence of widespread endogemy in a very small and closed community. This was recently proved by a research in South India where a high correlation was established between blindness and consanguinity.</font></li>
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LaanatOnAzgar
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Re: How do we recognise a progressive in our masjid?
There in no need to identify progressive in our masjid or jamaatkhana as it is rarely a case they come to these places due to Non hygienic environment as mentioned by gr8 scientist of Hell Mr. Tahir 
If above is not the case then it is very unfortunate for Tahir to come to same non hygienic environment.
If above is not the case then it is very unfortunate for Tahir to come to same non hygienic environment.
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kabeer19922001
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Re: How do we recognise a progressive in our masjid?
Lanat( surprise , surprise ) writes
There in no need to identify progressive in our masjid or jamaatkhana as it is rarely a case they come to these places due to Non hygienic environment as mentioned by gr8 scientist of Hell Mr. Tahir
If above is not the case then it is very unfortunate for Tahir to come to same non hygienic environment.
Dear Lanat
Can you reply in a more scientific manner. If you dont agree with Tahir, bring out your arguments.
Regards
There in no need to identify progressive in our masjid or jamaatkhana as it is rarely a case they come to these places due to Non hygienic environment as mentioned by gr8 scientist of Hell Mr. Tahir
If above is not the case then it is very unfortunate for Tahir to come to same non hygienic environment.
Dear Lanat
Can you reply in a more scientific manner. If you dont agree with Tahir, bring out your arguments.
Regards
Re: How do we recognise a progressive in our masjid?
i completley agree with uOriginally posted by Mumin110:
All I have to say is that
religion is NOT a democracy.
YOu are not compelled to stay within the fold. The door is open, you are free to leave any time.
It is like any other organisation. THere are certain rules and regulations, if you dont like it, you can leave and join some other fold more suited to your needs. Why do you still linger on?
No one is compelling you to stay in the community.
All you guys talk about is Kothar and Syedna but say we believe in the religious authority of Dai?
Does that make sense??
This talk is not of a Bohra or Shiah. Some one else did the same thing 1400 years ago...
Muawiyah said the same thing to Imam Hasan AS, that you are only religious authority and give us administrative authority.
And today we pray laanat on Muawiya and his progeny. whose son killed Imam hussain AS.
So, you progessives are no better than Muawiya.
It looks like you hate daadi walas(who are actually Mumineen), but Mumineen have pity on you as we all know where you will all end up..
And if we are fortunate, it will be during your lifetimes.. as it woudl be very easy after death for you. We read and hear about it every day so it wont be a surprise when one of you meets similar fates.
Re: How do we recognise a progressive in our masjid?
I was to ask everyone this: In the Holy Quran, God Almighty has stated clearly that all are equal & will be brought to me on the Day of Judgement & each will answer for their deeds. No 1 will be able to provide support or relief to another. If this is accepted, I ask this, how can 1 person (Dai) claim to be someone who can lead you there?
Secondly, why in the community, one is forced to show respect. It is not something which should be commanded & not demanded? Almighty Allah hates people who downtrod on others in any way, should this not be accepted by leaders of the community? Lastly reverting back to the 1st point, claiming that one will be exmpt from punishment for his or her wrongdoing in this life as they belong to a certain community, that is equal to SHIRK as it is defying what Almighty has said in the Quran & preached by the Holy Prophet Mohammad (PBUH).
I welcome comments both positive & sucker punches as well as I believe in being a "MUSLIM1st".
All praise is due to Almighty Allah alone, the Sustainer of all the worlds, the most Gracious, the Dispenser of Grace, Lord of the Judgement Day!
Secondly, why in the community, one is forced to show respect. It is not something which should be commanded & not demanded? Almighty Allah hates people who downtrod on others in any way, should this not be accepted by leaders of the community? Lastly reverting back to the 1st point, claiming that one will be exmpt from punishment for his or her wrongdoing in this life as they belong to a certain community, that is equal to SHIRK as it is defying what Almighty has said in the Quran & preached by the Holy Prophet Mohammad (PBUH).
I welcome comments both positive & sucker punches as well as I believe in being a "MUSLIM1st".
All praise is due to Almighty Allah alone, the Sustainer of all the worlds, the most Gracious, the Dispenser of Grace, Lord of the Judgement Day!
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jamanpasand
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Re: How do we recognise a progressive in our masjid?
Dear Tahir
My first encounter with the forum was this post
Its easy to identify a 40+ orthodox bohri women by her peculiar penguin like gait
After that I become a regular reader.
Your fans have high expectation of you on similar lines.
Be true to yourself. Dont take wrong advises.
My first encounter with the forum was this post
Its easy to identify a 40+ orthodox bohri women by her peculiar penguin like gait
After that I become a regular reader.
Your fans have high expectation of you on similar lines.
Be true to yourself. Dont take wrong advises.
Re: How do we recognise a progressive in our masjid?
Jamanpasand,
I don't want to disappoint the 'fans'. Here I go:
It is 'still' easy to identify a 40+ bohri women by her penguin like gait ...
I don't want to disappoint the 'fans'. Here I go:
It is 'still' easy to identify a 40+ bohri women by her penguin like gait ...
Re: How do we recognise a progressive in our masjid?
people like tahir are allowed on this post even if he speaks totally irrationaly and with lots of hatred and abuses .most of his posts have no meaning just look at his last two posts and try to make sense if you are a normal person that is