Shame on Bohras, Aga Khanis, Sunnis...

[khuzema]

What a shame, when it comes for calling names, the post got 100's of responses, but when it comes for helping Muslims only one response.

Elections will be held in Gujarat next month. This is the right time to edit
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narendra_Modi

Some one with good English please write (or edit) the article for
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narendra_Modi

[khuzema]

Jawanmardan, Porus, anajami, muslim first, baburao, ponga bhori, turbocanuck.

Jawanmardan – You have a journalism back ground. Why don’t you help Khan. There is a big difference in talking about charity and doing it.

Muslim First – You call yourself ‘Muslim First”, then you should be first to offer help to the Muslims. Sunnis are suffering way more than Bohras and Aga Khanis in Gujarat.

Porus: - What is the use of your vast knowledge if it can’t help Muslim community

Anajami: - You have very strong logical and critical thinking, if you use them for the betterment of other Allah will reward you a lot. Please help Khan.

Average Bohra: -Are you just there to oppose wahhabes, won’t you help khan in fighting against Hindu fundamentalist. Remember there is no difference between Wahabbies and Hindu fundamentalist.

Khan just need to write an article which will get posted on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narendra_Modi

[Muslim First]

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Khusema
I am here in Vadodara.

Yesterday I met with Mahir Kothari a convert from Jainisam.
He runs Muslim Medical Center, and AFMI Charitable trust.

While I was sitting in his office a Muslim Dental Student walked in. She needed Rs 4000. to by roto drill for her school work.

She came by bus just for $100. It moved me to tears (God's truth). Ofcourse I took care of it and given her my contect info.IA I will take care of her needs.

I have also committed to sponcer one medico for next 4 years (Cost $600/yr.).

If anybody wants to sponcer one he may contact Mahir Kothari @
mahirindia@yahoo.com (Call in India 0265-2568663/2560513)

I am here to see couple of projects run by my family and scout for future projects.

You want to take a look at Dr. Nakedar's schools at http://www.drnik.net .

IA there will be another school just like it in my home town.

Please do not be harsh to judge book by cover.

Wasalaam
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[ponga bhori]

Dear Muslim First,

Since you are in Baroda, Gujarat please`take time to meet Dr Juzar Bandukwala, Prof MS University, he is a Muslim Activist. A hard fighter against Modi.
Are you from Baroda?
Salaams.

[ponga bhori]

Dear Khuzema,,
I am doing my wee little indirect against Modi and family. Underground movement. Besides I am a "one liner" writting a whole article?? difficult though not impossible, InsaLLaH.
Not to worry, Khan keep up with information in the meantime.

[turbocanuck]

Originally posted by khuzema:


Anajami: - You have very strong logical and critical thinking, if you use them for the betterment of other Allah will reward you a lot. Please help Khan.

Talk about "twisted" sense of logic!! LOL
BTW Khuzema, can you please tell us your take on why the Ismailis Muslims(Agakhanis as you refer to them) Bohras and others suffer quite less than Sunnis in Gujerat? And what was your point about all your getting worked up?
It would be interesting to know.

[porus]

'Physician. heal thyself.'

Where should Muslims start dealing with Modi etc.? Introspection is the first step. Opposing zealots make them persist. As far as Modi is concerned, tehelka has done a good job and we should all point that out to all we know. Mumineen did a good job by posting links to tehelka on this board.

But Gujarat is one problem. Look at the state of Muslims in the world:

Pakistan under US sponsored military dictatorship and under attack by Wahhabi/Deobandi nexus
Afghanistan under US occupation, terrorised by the US and the Taliban, a Wahhabi offshoot
Iran under a theocracy intolerant of freedom of any sort
Iraq, bombed to stone age by the US and terrorized by al-Qaeda, a Wahhabi/Qutbi offshoot
Lebanon, being torn apart by Musils of various descriptions and Christians
Kashmir under siege by governments held hostage to religious zealots
India, the home of the largest number of Muslims in the world, with rapidly eroding citizenship rights.
Syria, a brutal dictatorship, where citizens are treated worse than cattle.
Palestine, a people reduced to barbarism, by Israelis.
'Saudi' Arabia and oil-rich gulf 'family' estates, created by the West and giving oil 'free' to the West to support 'Western' life styles of the ruling families.
Jordan, a buffer state for Israel. forced to do obeisance to Israsel by shutting their citizens up.
Egypt, a perpetual dictatorship of the army where opposition figures just 'disappear'.
Libya, a personal fifdom of a mad man, Gaddafi.
Algeria, keeping population quiet by subservience to French values of their rulers and the army beingg richly rewarded by the French.
Morocco, medieval monarchy claiming 'divine' blessing.
Sudan..... can one go on?

It appears that the West is the only place where any Muslim can enjoy the freedom he wants to worship and speak the way he wants regardless of his particular beliefs. Why would any Muslim wish to go and live in any 'Muslim' country, once having lived in the West. He would have to be mad. We do not have Wahhabis after us here because we do not worship as they do.

Aga Khan and Bahais were far-sighted and wise to have moved their 'seat' to the West. I think Sayedna is also building strong presence in the U.K.

[ponga bhori]

Porus,

Too much problems for my PONGA (bhori) brains.
Oh my God ALLaH, and to add to this you are asking that Syedna to move here to the west. He will get ideas.Why make my simple life miserable.
Hopefully no Khotari has read this post. And Mr Administrator shall not delete this post, or will he.

[jawanmardan]

Khuzema,

Salaam brother,

If you have some particular idea of how you wish me to be involved; I am happy to look over your proposal, and if I see it as something I can make a positive contribution toward I am happy to offer my assistance.

[jawanmardan]

Isma'ilis prefer not to be known as "Aga Khani's", that is a derogatory name for our tarqiah, and derives from a secular title having no link to our religious faith.

Isma’ili, or Nizari would be more appropriate. Thank you.

[muhammad khan]

Hi Jawanmardan,

Please email me at IndiaFightsBack@gmail.com I relay appreciates your help.

Thanks

[jawanmardan]

Salaam,

I didn’t realize this topic was regarding a wikipedia article; I have opened a discussion in wiki and hope to balance the article in lieu of POV.

[tahir]

Originally posted by porus:

India, the home of the largest number of Muslims in the world, with rapidly eroding citizenship rights.

huh!

[khuzema]

Hi Turbocanuck,

The main reason why other Muslim communities suffered less than sunnis –
Sunnis are viewed as supporters of wahabbies if not wahabies (fundamentalists).

You will see Sunnis openly calling others sects/religions as devil’s. So Hindus see these people as their main enemies.

Plus you will always hear Sunni Muslim Imam giving weird Fatwas. This makes the sunni community look more fundamentalist than others.

While all Bohras, ismailies, Athnasaries, Sufies have suffered at the hands of these RSS fundamentalist, sunnies suffered the biggest damage.

[khuzema]

Aftermath of 2002 - Reactions of different Muslim communities

After 2002 at the time when many prominent Hindu leaders have started saying that there was no Ram ever born, many other Hindu Gujaratis saw Modi as a savior of Hinduism from Muslim extremist as well as secular hindus.

Bohras: - This is the community who championed the art of converting enemies in to friends. They suffered in 2002 riots, but then decided not go against of Modi and BJP. Bohras gave support to BJP and BJP gave them assurance of security.

Overall Bohras are still facing the problem of discrimination from Hindus. But they now feel that their lives are safer and with the progress of Gujarat Bohras are developing. Those Bohras who were in construction business, made good money. Even the Hardware store owners are not left behind in making money.

Bohras don’t want 2002 again, so they are supporting BJP.

Ismailis: - After suffering in 2002 riots, this community’s main concentration was in education and migration. Many initiatives have been taken by the community leaders in this regards. Many Ismailis lost their business in 2002. Instead of restarting their business again in Gujarat they were encouraged (monetarily as well as guidance wise) by the community leaders to go back to the universities if possible and prepare themselves for a knowledge society of tomorrow. They were/are also encouraged (monetarily as well as guidance wise) to start their businesses outside Gujarat.

Many of them who decided to go back to schools became more professional and are very well settled (mostly out of Gujarat). They are now confident that with their education they have gained a property which can’t be stolen in any riot. Majority of those who started their business outside of Gujarat are in good condition thanks to the growing economy.

[khuzema]

Shia Ithna-asheri: - The community is struggling to rebuilding again. They are trying to frame themselves anti-fundamentalist Muslims and blame a part of the riots on Sunni Mullahs who give fatawas and create fitna. Kalbe Sadiq, a leading Shia scholar, even asked the government of India to declare fatwas as illegal. Because of the lake of proper structure this community is not as successful as Bohras and Ismailis in reestablishing themselves. But they are positive and are confident that after night there is always day full of sun shine.

This riot have made two communities friends after decades of not so good friendship. Ismaili community gave a helping hand to their Shia brothers in facilitating some of the grass root programs.

[khuzema]

Sunnis: Sunnis are getting help nationally and internationally. Specially international help is coming from relatives and friends who have settled outside of India and also through other Gujarati Muslim institution.

Compared to the need the help is very less. But the community has learned to be self sufficient. They have got together and started getting support from one another. Every city now have a little pakistan where this people live. They have the economy of their own.

Many of them are ready to fly now and want to forget 2002. Good progress has start but the damage had made them lag behind 5 years.

While many have overcome the damage for a few the damage is permanent. They have been forced to go way bellow the poverty line. A strong government can bring them above poverty line.

[khuzema]

Hope we will kick out Modi from the government this time.

[haseebsiddique]

Salams to all,
Khuzema, Modi is not going anywhere. He is expected to be back on the 'Hot Seat' in Gandhinagar in a weeks time now.
Only Allah can change the trends and we should pray to the Almighty Allah for a favorable result.
The only solace we can get is that 'the butcher of Gujarat' will not be enjoying the Overwhelming Majority that received in the year 2002 at the Gujarat Assembly. Most Muslims here in Gujarat are constantly monitoring the trends of the 2007 elections.
Let us all pray that Allah enforces a reverse on Mr. Modi.
Secondly, I appriciate your effort and your appeal to the Muslims on this Forum to unite and fight with what is the real 'threat' to us,
but,,,,,,unfortunately people like 'turbocanuck' are round the corner to spoil the efforts of people like you, as they meddle, argue, abuse and derail the participants of the forum by their illogical and vague arguments.

[Arif]

Only Allah can change the trends and we should pray to the Almighty Allah for a favorable result.

Brother allah can change everything and yet cannot change anything. It is indeed a pity that none of the highly knowledgeable prolific members on this site did anything in terms of writing on wikipedia.

No one came forward to write against Modi. However, please note that:

1) If it would have something to do with writing against Syedna, our friend Tahir would have definitely done the needful.
2) If it had to do with writing something against Wahabi Fanatism brother Porus would have taken the lead
3) If it would have had something to do with writing against Bohras, Ismailies or Shias then brother Anajmi and Brother MF would have done it.

Now it is so easy to figure out why we are in a state that we are in.

[tahir]

Originally posted by Aarif:

Now it is so easy to figure out why we are in a state that we are in.

What have you done to change this state? Is anyone stopping you from writing on wikipedia?

[haseebsiddique]

[/QUOTE]Brother allah can change everything and yet cannot change anything.[/QUOTE]
Brother Aarif firstly I dont agree with you on this count quoted above,
Secondly I guess we need a serious thought on what Brother Khuzema has suggested.
Rather than starting a debate on the issue we should start applying ourselves on our efforts to unite. (unless not being intimidated by the likes of 'turbocanuck' & 'pardesi')

[pardesi]

quote by Nephew

"Rather than starting a debate on the issue we should start applying ourselves on our efforts to unite. (unless not being intimidated by the likes of 'turbocanuck' & 'pardesi')."

I like the first part of your post Bhatijay. Quite a change in rhetoric, I might add. But I failed to understand the last part where you spoke of intimidation by me and Turbo. You talk about unity yet you want to leave people out who do not necessarily agree with your point of action.

How do you apply yourself without a meaningful discussion/debate. Or were you actually talking about asserting yourself?

[Muslim First]

Elections pass Gujarat Muslims by
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7143958.stm

[Arif]

What have you done to change this state? Is anyone stopping you from writing on wikipedia?

Brother nobody is stopping me.. But my english is nowhere as good as yours. That's where you could have contributed. And also, Porus, Anajmi and MF have good knowledge of Islam.

BTW: My post was for all the senior members and not just you who did not do anything when brother MK was constantly asking for help.

[tahir]

Aarif
If you can write on this board, you can write on wikipedia as well. Its all about taking initiatives.

Thanks for the compliment by the way. You are being modest. I wish I was as creative as you and could come up with rhyming words like 'thigh hair'..

[Arif]

Dear Tahir,

And I wish I could have been as good as you are with criticizing people. That's where you would have been an ideal candidate for writing against Modi. You could have just replaced Syedna with Modi and things would fallen in place naturally