Riwayat...

[truebohra]

A man woke up early in order to pray the Fajr prayer in the masjid. He got dressed, made his ablution and was on his way to the masjid.

On his way to the masjid, the man fell and his clothes got dirty. He got up, brushed himself off, and headed home. At home, he changed his clothes, made his ablution, and was, again, on his way to the masjid.

On his way to the masjid, he fell again and at the same spot! He, again, got up, brushed himslef off and headed home. At home he, once again, changed his clothes, made his ablution and was on his way to the masjid.

On his way to the masjid, he met a man holding a lamp. He asked the man of his identity and the man replied "I saw you fall twice on your way to the masjid, so I brought a lamp so I can light your way." The first man thanked him and the two were on their way to the masjid.

Once at the masjid, the first man asked the man with the lamp to come in and pray Fajr with him. The second man refused. The first man asked him a couple more times and, again, the answer was the same. The first man asked him why he did not wish to come in and pray. The man replied "I am Satan." The man was shocked at this reply. Shaitan went on to explain,

"I saw you on your way to the masjid and it was I who made you fall. When you went home, cleaned yourself and went back on your way to the masjid, Allah forgave all of your sins. I made you fall a second time, and even that did not encourage you to stay home, but rather, you went back on your way to the masjid. Because of that, Allah forgave all the sins of the people of your household. I was afraid if i made you fall one more time, then Allah will forgive the sins of the people of your village, so I made sure that you reached the masjid safely."

So do not let Satan benefit from his actions. Do not put off a good that you intended to do as you never know how much reward you might receive from the hardships you encounter while trying to achieve that good.

[profrog]

ye dude thats what we bohras are doing right now refusing to be mislaid by todays shaitans engineer and co,and as i said in another post that the more adawat they do of our moula it increases our faith in him even more so your riwayat is true

[Hussain_KSA]

Yes, rather you are following mushrik & Co by doing purjosh matam in mosques and during Prayer. Mosques are for prayers but you people have make is place for Milad Celebration and other gatherings.

[Hussain_KSA]

Brother True Bohra:

These people doesn't like to hear or read about Quran, Riwayat, Hadith or anything else but only
Miracles of thier Demi God, His mushrik Tola and like minded stories only.

[JC]

Fully agree with Hussain_KSA.

Bohras are no more Muslims or Shias. They worship An Individual and consider him God, they are a defomred face of Islam, Christainity and Hinduism. They have taken bits and pieces from here and there (something like Deen-Ellahi of Akbar) and have made a religion. The Kothari Mafia's main objective is loot and plunder.

Burhan and Kothari Mafia are true representatives of Yazid and Shaytan. Yazid killed Hussain and Burhan is killing in the name of Hussain. Shaytan stops from going to Places of Worship and Burhan has turned place of worship into a Jamat Khana. This is YAzid and Shyatan of Modern Day and Age and rules veryy cleverly. A total Despot in the name of Dai, a complete Dictator.

[Gulf]

Originally posted by JC:Fully agree with Hussain_KSA.

Bohras are no more Muslims or Shias. They worship An Individual and consider him God, they are a defomred face of Islam, Christainity and Hinduism. They have taken bits and pieces from here and there (something like Deen-Ellahi of Akbar) and have made a religion. The Kothari Mafia's main objective is loot and plunder.

Burhan and Kothari Mafia are true representatives of Yazid and Shaytan. Yazid killed Hussain and Burhan is killing in the name of Hussain. Shaytan stops from going to Places of Worship and Burhan has turned place of worship into a Jamat Khana. This is YAzid and Shyatan of Modern Day and Age and rules veryy cleverly. A total Despot in the name of Dai, a complete Dictator.

All of you (progressives) are jeolous of Islam So frustrated

[profrog]

where is it written that a masjid is a place for prayers only, where in the world has a bohra masjid been turned to a jamatkhana,stop lying

[profrog]

are you not the same people who criticize bohras whenever a new masjid is built ,now suddenly they are good

[profrog]

and for your info(i doubt it will penetrate your stupid brain) but it is because of our moula that the name of imam hussein and his father ali sa is alive today.it is our moula who has built the present zarihs on their tombs,it is our moula who remembers and asks us to remember imam hussein everyday. and it your leaders engineer and insaf who do not want matam and rememberence of imam hussein .stop your iblis ways and get your facts right

[tahir]

Originally posted by Gulf:
All of you (progressives) are jeolous of Islam So frustrated

All of you (orthos) are jeolous of syedna burhanuddin So frustrated

[tahir]

Originally posted by profrog:
and for your info(i doubt it will penetrate your stupid brain) but it is because of our moula that the name of imam hussein and his father ali sa is alive today.it is our moula who has built the present zarihs on their tombs,it is our moula who remembers and asks us to remember imam hussein everyday.

And it is precisely the maula who gets nightmares when someone thinks of living a life like Imam Hussain (fighting injustice). May be subconsciously he has this notion that he is the modern day avatar of the person against whom Hussain fought.

[Muslim First]

where is it written that a masjid is a place for prayers only, where in the world has a bohra masjid been turned to a jamatkhana,stop lying

Amr bin Shuayb related on the authority of his father and grandfather

The Prophet SAW forbade buying, selling seeking lost property and reciting poetry in Masjid-Abu Dawud and at-Ttirmidhi

Hasan al-Basri reported that Prophet SAW said:

A time will come when the conversation of people in the Maaasjic will center around worldly affairs. You must not sit with such people, for Allah has nothing to do with them.- al-Bukhari
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[Maqbool]

profrog writes:
and for your info(i doubt it will penetrate your stupid brain) but it is because of our moula that the name of imam hussein and his father ali sa is alive today.

Please Frog come out of the well!! Do you means that the Hussein and ali ‘s name would have been vanished if moula burhanuddin was not there? Can you elaborate why the other doats and Imams has not done any thing to keep the names of Panjatan alive.

Any way are you aware of the Ishna Ashari and there azadari towards Husein! your general knowledge will have boost only if you come out of the well and see that there is a world around you.

[Hussain_KSA]

Brother Muslim First , Did I mentioned in my previous mail that Abde syedena don’t like to hear anything about Quran, (what God Says) Ahadith (what Prophet PBUH says) or any Riways but only what Aqua moula says.

Do you think that names of Amr bin Shuayb, Abu Dawud and at-Ttirmidhi,Hasan al-Basri , maja, Bukhari, Nisai, Tamimi, Abu Hurreira are familiar to them?

Brother JC : These people even don’t pray behind the Imam of Haram in Masjidul Haram (Makkah Mukarma). The reason what they have given is quite ridiculous that the Imam of Haram doesn’t have raza from Syedna Saheb. Although they never prayer in any Sunni mosque. At the time of Maghreb Prayers there is Jaman time in Bohra Rubat (new one as old one is demolished despite of all miracles and dua of Syedna sahib) followed by Prayer and purjosh matam (Compulsory after each farz prayer). After Isah prayer when all of the Pilgrims start coming out from Masjid Haram than bohras starts coming in Masjid ul haram from Gate No.5 Ajyad (I don’t know if there is any particular farman in this regard). The same tradition is being followed in Madina as well.

As per profrog : and for your info(i doubt it will penetrate your stupid brain) but it is because of our moula that the name of imam hussein and his father ali sa is alive today, brother Maqbool has given a very good reply. I can only laugh on ignorance of bohra community.

Tahir bhai I am fully agreed with you.

[Hussain_KSA]

Brother Muslim First , Did I mentioned in my previous mail that Abde syedena don’t like to hear anything about Quran, (what God Says) Ahadith (what Prophet PBUH says) or any Riways but only what Aqua moula says.

Do you think that names of Amr bin Shuayb, Abu Dawud and at-Ttirmidhi,Hasan al-Basri , maja, Bukhari, Nisai, Tamimi, Abu Hurreira are familiar to them?

Brother JC : These people even don’t pray behind the Imam of Haram in Masjidul Haram (Makkah Mukarma). The reason what they have given is quite ridiculous that the Imam of Haram doesn’t have raza from Syedna Saheb. Although they never prayer in any Sunni mosque. At the time of Maghreb Prayers there is Jaman time in Bohra Rubat (new one as old one is demolished despite of all miracles and dua of Syedna sahib) followed by Prayer and purjosh matam (Compulsory after each farz prayer). After Isah prayer when all of the Pilgrims start coming out from Masjid Haram than bohras starts coming in Masjid ul haram from Gate No.5 Ajyad (I don’t know if there is any particular farman in this regard). The same tradition is being followed in Madina as well.

As per profrog : and for your info(i doubt it will penetrate your stupid brain) but it is because of our moula that the name of imam hussein and his father ali sa is alive today, brother Maqbool has given a very good reply. I can only laugh on ignorance of bohra community.

Tahir bhai I am fully agreed with you.

[Muslim First]

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Brothers pros, pigs, Birds etc. etc.

Regarding graves and Zaris please read the following:

Graves
From Fiqh-us Sunnah

Aishah reports that the Prophet Sallallahu Alehi Wasallam said: "Allah cursed the Jews and Christians [because] they took the graves of their prophets as mosques." This is related by al-Bukhari, Muslim, Ahmad, and an-Nasa' i .

Ahmad and Muslim record from Abu Marthad al-Ghanawi that the Prophet Sallallahu Alehi Wasallam said: "Do not pray facing a grave and do not sit on one." They also record that Jundub ibn 'Abdullah al-Bajali heard the Prophet say, five days before he died: "The people before you took graves as mosques. I prohibit this to you."

'Aishah reports that Umm Salamah mentioned the churches she saw in Abyssinia and the pictures they contained to the Messenger of Allah. The Prophet said to her: "These are the people who, when a pious servant or pious man among them dies, build a mosque [place of worship] upon their graves and put those pictures in it. They are the worst of the whole creation in the sight of Allah." This is related by al-Bukhari, Muslim, and an-Nasa'i .

The Prophet is also reported to have said: "Allah curses those who visit the graves and take them as mosques and light lamps over them." Many scholars take this prohibition to be one of dislike, regardless of whether the grave is in front of the imam or behind him. According to the Zahiri School, this prohibition is one of complete forbiddance and as such, prayer at a grave site is not valid. According to the Hanbali School, this applies only if there are three graves or more. If there is only one or two graves, then the prayer is valid although disliked if one prays facing a grave, otherwise it is not disliked.

The Sunnah Concerning Graveyards

The Sunnah is to raise the grave at least one hand above the ground so it is known that it is a grave. It is forbidden to raise it more than that. This is based on a narrative reported by Muslim and others from Harun that Thamamah ibn Shufayy told him: "Once we were with Fadalah bin 'Ubayd in the Roman land of Brudis. One of our companions died and upon burying him we were ordered by Fudalah ibn 'Ubayd to level his grave. Then
Fudalah said: 'I heard Allah's Messenger, peace be upon him, ordering people to level the graves of the deceased." It is reported from Abul al-Hayaj al-Asadi who said 'Ali bin Abu Talib told me: "Should I not instruct you to do as the Messenger of Allah, peace be upon him, instructed me? Do not leave a statue standing without removing it. Do not leave a grave raised without leveling it."

Tirmidhi said: "Some scholars act upon this opinion. They disapprove of raising the grave more than necessary to indicate that it is a grave, and so people will not step or sit on it." Muslim governors used to destroy cemetery structures not permitted by the law, in accordance with the authentic Sunnah. Ash-Shafi'i said: "I prefer that the soil used for a grave be no more than that dug for that grave. I like to see a grave raised above the ground the length of a hand or so. I prefer not to erect a structure over a grave or to whitewash it, for indeed this resembles decoration and vanity, and death is not the time for either of these things. I have never seen the graves of the Muhajirin or Ansar plastered. I have seen the Muslim authorities destroying structures in graveyards, and I have not seen any jurists object to this."

Ash-Shawkani said: "It is apparent that raising graves more than what is legally permitted is forbidden. The followers of Ahmad, a group of the followers of Ash-Shafi'i, and Malik are of this opinion. An opinion that raised graves are not prohibited because this practice occurred during the time of the first and later generations without disapproval, which is the position of Imam Yahya and Mahdi in al-Ghayth, is not correct. This argument is based only on their silence about the practice, and silence is not proof when a matter rests on mere assumption, for prohibition of raising graves is presumptive."

Included in the discussion of raising the grave are dome buildings, shrines built on graves, and erecting mosques around graves. The Prophet, peace be upon him, cursed those who did that. The practice of erecting buildings around graves and beautifying them causes corruption, which Islam seeks to eliminate.

Part of such a corruption is exaggerating the importance of graves, in accordance with the superstitious belief of the ignorant, similar to the belief of non-believers in their idols, that these monuments can bring benefit or prevent harm. Thus they travel to these graves for fulfillment of their needs or achievement of their goals. They ask those in the graves what believers should ask only of their Lord. They ride horses to them, touch them, and seek their aid. In general, they do exactly what the pre-Islamic people used to do with their idols.

Despite this disgraceful, reprehensible evil and hideous disbelief, how many people dare to take a stand for the cause of Allah, or evince any uneasiness for the defense of the true din? Where are the scholars and students, and the rulers, the ministers, and the kings, who are obliged to teach the truth? Various reports reaching us leave little doubt that many of these grave adorers, in fact most of them, when confronted and asked under oath to reject such idolatry would readily take a solemn oath falsely by Allah. But if you then ask them, "(Swear) by your spiritual leader and your saint, so-and-so," they will ponder, apologize, refuse, and confess the truth. This is one of the clearest proofs that their polytheism is indeed worse than that of the Christians and others who say: "Allah, the Exalted, is the second of two or the third of three."

O scholars of Islam! O kings of Islam! What calamity to Islam is worse than disbelief? What tribulation for this religion is worse than worshipping others than Allah? What misfortune for Muslims can equal this misfortune? Is there any more serious abomination than this open polytheism?

You might be heard if you called the living, But there is no life in him whom you call; Had there been a fire in which you blew, there would have been light; but you blew in the sand.

The scholars have issued clear legal verdicts concerning the destruction of mosques and domes built in cemeteries. Ibn Hajar said in his az-Zawajir: (This is a collection of legal verdicts, pubhshed when king Al-Zahir decided to destroy all the buildings in the graveyards. Coeval Islamic scholars collectively supported him saying to do so was incumbent upon the ruler.) "We should not hesitate to destroy mosques and domes built over graves. These are worse than the mosque of adDirar, because these things are erected in disobedience to the Messenger of Allah, peace be upon him. The Prophet, peace be upon him, has forbidden this and has ordered the destruction of raised graves. Every lamp or lantern placed over a grave must be removed. It is not correct to stop at a grave or make a vow at it.

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[profrog]

do not quote your wahhabi agenda as a muslim belief because not all muslims including the progs on this site would agree with you about the graves at least

[Muslim First]

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Br. Profrog

I am not quoting Wahabi propegenda but words and deeds of Grandfather of Hz. Hussain RA (Hussain is considered demigod by you Bohras).

If you have ounce of knowledge about Islam then proove me wrong (Produce Hadith or Aya from Qur'an)

Wasalaam
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[SBM]

Br, MF
I have question about your movtives and honesty Please prove me wrong.
You have blasted Dawoodi Bohras and Kothar all the time. You know very well that during Waaz, Syedna and other Aamils have said Lanaats to Hazar Umer RA and other (You corrected me when I said Khulfa-e-Rasahdin because Hazart Ali is part of it and NoLaanat is said on him)
But you still socialize with Sk.Murtaza Dahodwala and other cohorts. WHY DID NOT YOU BRING this TO HIS ATTENTION. WHY DO NOT YOU SENT ALL THESE INFORMATIONS TO THE IMAMS OF ISLAMIC CENTERS IN BOSTON AND ITS VICINITY AND SEND TO ALL THE RELIGIOUS ATTACHES IN ISLAMIC EMBASSIES IN DC.
We all know Kothar does a fantastic job in PR and buying the powers, whether it is political or religious.You could sent letters to your elected officials regarding the working of Dawat-E-Hadiyah
So please clarify your stand and motives.
DONOT ASK ME WHY I AM NOT DOING THIS BECAUSE I DONOT BLAST DAWOODI BOHRAS, I DISGREE WITH CERTAIN
ASPECTTS BUT I BELIEVE IN CHANGING THINGS FROM WITHIN.

[Muslim First]

I have question about your movtives

My motives are to bring attentions to deviant Islam of Bohras.

As far as personally doing DAWA to Shk. Murtaza and cohorts, I choose not to do so.

Since establishment of Markaz in Billerica, MA, there are no invitations to Majlises. I see Dahodwala family on social occasions. Their belief in Maulana is rock solid and will continue so long good fortune continues. Why rock the boat? Bohra in Boston area are intelligent. They have access Islamic books and to internet therefore to mainstream Islamic knowledge. They choose not to partake in it.

Wasalaam
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[SBM]

Br. MF
Salaams
That is exactly my point, why you did not do DAWA to Sk. Murtaza when you know what he is following is deviant form.
YOU CHOSE NOT TO IS NOT AN ANSWER FOR A PERSON WHO IS BENT ON QUOTING HADITHS AND QURAN AT EVERY MESSAGE ON THIS BOARD.

[Muslim First]

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Br. OB

Shk. in question is all set with his belief. He is not willing to follow religion of Ali and Hussain since god has seled his heart. He is aware of Qur'an, Haditt and other literature. He has chosen not read it.

Wasalaam
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[SBM]

Br. MF
If Prophet and his companions would have followed the same lead(from which you always quotes i.e. HADITHS) then Islam would not have spread.
TO ME THAT IS A NICE COPE OUT BY YOU, BECAUSE YOU DID NOT WANT TO ROCK THE BOAT OR SPOIL YOUR RELATIONSHIP WITH HIM (R U in IT business or profession)

[SBM]

Br. MF
You didnot answer my other question, You are very well connected to other members of Islamic Society in New England (that is impression I get from your postings). Did you discuss with the Imams of the Masaajids about Syedna and other Aamils using Laanats on Hazarat Umer RA and other Khulfas during the Waaz??????

[allbird]

And whats the whole point of it ??? Now we have to follow Aisha's hadith. This is one school of though there are other 71 more. You follow what your heart pleases, don't try to preach us Aisha's hadith. There are many web links which also mentions Aisha'a narration of Hadith, Naw-jabillah very shameful ones.

We are Alhe-Dawoodi-Bohra,Mumineen of Rasullah(SAW), shia of Moula Ali(AS) and followers of Fatimid Imamiyat, and believers of Dai Zaman(TUS). Bottom line you follow what your heart says it right, you follow Aishah, Abu Bahr, Omar, and other khilafat as you please.

Rasullah (SAW) once said Al-Quran is from me and I am from Al-Quran. So how did Khilafat ended, that too by a non-muslim, and whose decedent accepted Islam and became Shia (read not Sunnis)irony. Al-Quran is still alive but Khilafat is NOT there are no khalifa's alive to guide Sunnis. May be Khaliafat was never from Rasullah(SAW), however Fatimid is still alive. Islam is by Selection NOT ELECTION.

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[accountability]

Brother MF, OB asked you a very valid question. I read in your previous post, that you were socializing with some shiekhs, and at the time of prayer, you wanted a jamat, which they refused.

[allbird]

Originally posted by Muslim First:
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Br. OB

Shk. in question is all set with his belief. He is not willing to follow religion of Ali and Hussain since god has seled his heart. He is aware of Qur'an, Haditt and other literature. He has chosen not read it.

Wasalaam
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Forget it, This village yokel is from same school as Al-Taliban. Even Sunnis accept the fact that Rasullah (SAW) must have spoken 500 Ahadith in his lifetime. There are 5000 floating around in the market.

These people think Islam is their Baat ki Jiyadat twist it as it suits them.

[allbird]

Typo "Baap Ki Jiayadat"

[allbird]

Originally posted by omabharti:
Br. MF
You didnot answer my other question, You are very well connected to other members of Islamic Society in New England (that is impression I get from your postings). Did you discuss with the Imams of the Masaajids about Syedna and other Aamils using Laanats on Hazarat Umer RA and other Khulfas during the Waaz??????

He doesn't have GUTS, must be Shitting Bricks in front of them.

[tahir]

Originally posted by AlBird:

We are Alhe-Dawoodi-Bohra,Mumineen of Rasullah(SAW), shia of Moula Ali(AS) and followers of Fatimid Imamiyat, and believers of Dai Zaman(TUS).

LOL...all thigh-smooching zombies (creation of taher saifuddin's perversion) habitually make such statements with that comic glow on the face....doesn't matter if their practices are absolutely antithetic to fatimid islam ..I bet they heard the term 'fatimid' first time only at this board which they ritually keep cursing.