From time unimagined by mankind the institution set up by Allah Subhanahu had the angles and the jinns and may be other creations of Allah unknown to us.Among the angles he ‘appointed’ Iblis the leader of the angles who served Allah Subhanahu for unimaginable time.
Allah created the universe and in that he put various animals and plants but when he created the first human Adam and his opposite Hawwa he ‘’may’ have been absolutely proud of his creation and wanted this species to survive among all the vicious animals populating the earth during that time. He knew that without any protection of any kind this considerable inexperienced species will be eaten by the other animals since these humans knew nothing about how to protect themselves and so he ‘asked’ the angles to commit alliance to this species and provide protection at all times and which I think is meant what is mentioned in the holy Quraan that he asked the angles to bow and perform sajda in the honor of Adam AS.
However Iblis felt jealous and refused to perform the sajda and from that time a new era started that is the era of good and bad and an era of laws, rules and regulations since if everything is good than who needs laws.
But an important point is raised. The ‘apparant mistake’ made by Allah Subhanahu by appointing iblis as the leader of the angles was actually a ‘ mistake’ or it’s the further extention of the supreme thinking of Allah Subhanahu who being omnipotent and know-all, could have not ‘seenâ€
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Intresting. Share with us, the "mojizas" you experienced.
You said, you did not have an easy life, i was wondering, was it not your desire, or mojizas did work less or none.
One more thing, no body desires to drown the dawat nu safinu. Rather we are trying to patch the holes.
You said, you did not have an easy life, i was wondering, was it not your desire, or mojizas did work less or none.
One more thing, no body desires to drown the dawat nu safinu. Rather we are trying to patch the holes.
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quote from shabbir:
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I am an educated person with high sense of judging. I have not passed a luxury life but whenever I had been in difficulty I had remembered Syedna Taher Sefuddin Saheb and Seyedna Mohmmed Burhanuddin Saheb and By swearing to Allah Subhanahu my difficulties had been made easier if not melted.
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Even hindus pray to their dummy gods in their tough times , and feel as if their difficulties has been sorted by them, but is it the truth ?
Since you are an educated person and has a high sense of judging, take advantage of it.
Even if you dont think of Syedna Burhanuddin saheb and syedna Taher saifuddin in your difficult times and just remember Allah alone, I am 150% sure you will be more than happy with difficulties solved if they are genuine ones.
Also, as bro Accountibility insisted , please share the mojizas with us.
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I am an educated person with high sense of judging. I have not passed a luxury life but whenever I had been in difficulty I had remembered Syedna Taher Sefuddin Saheb and Seyedna Mohmmed Burhanuddin Saheb and By swearing to Allah Subhanahu my difficulties had been made easier if not melted.
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Even hindus pray to their dummy gods in their tough times , and feel as if their difficulties has been sorted by them, but is it the truth ?
Since you are an educated person and has a high sense of judging, take advantage of it.
Even if you dont think of Syedna Burhanuddin saheb and syedna Taher saifuddin in your difficult times and just remember Allah alone, I am 150% sure you will be more than happy with difficulties solved if they are genuine ones.
Also, as bro Accountibility insisted , please share the mojizas with us.
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Dont you have to be MASOOM to do mojiza.Isnt it something only rasul and alebeit who could do it.Where do we find that dai of past turned the reality around.Mozija is too farout for me I would be just happy to see a ghost.If there is such a thing.
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Dear Brother seeker110,
It is wrong and un-Islamic to think that holy Prophet (PBUH) and his Ahle-bet had ever shown any miracle or encouraged one.
When asked to show "mojiza" our Prophet Hazrat Mohammad had said "I am ummi (un-educated) and Quran is miracle if at all you insist for one.
Our holy Prophet's thinking was most sientific as I can understand it.
It is wrong and un-Islamic to think that holy Prophet (PBUH) and his Ahle-bet had ever shown any miracle or encouraged one.
When asked to show "mojiza" our Prophet Hazrat Mohammad had said "I am ummi (un-educated) and Quran is miracle if at all you insist for one.
Our holy Prophet's thinking was most sientific as I can understand it.
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I googled ' Miracles of Muhammad, Prophet of Islam . It produced interesting reading. Try and see.
Wasalaam
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I googled ' Miracles of Muhammad, Prophet of Islam . It produced interesting reading. Try and see.
Wasalaam
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Definition of miracle:
miracle
A noun
1 miracle
a marvellous event manifesting a supernatural act of God .
Even though some times events are attributed to a specific person, but the act according to the basic definition is " of God".
So, it is not the person, who performed the act, rather it was an act of God.
It is very hard to find an honest and real miracle performed by any humane being at any time. The evidence of such acts are non existent. It may be in all mythologies (religious too), but actual historical record of any miracle is yet to be found.
All duats including the present one, were and are preachers of sufi islam. Historically, our duats in hindh, were prolific preaacher. They had accomodating new version of islam, which was kind and inclusive. They targetted the lower end of the society, offered them emanicipation, and yet some mythological heresay of past deeds performed by fatmid dynasty.
Most of them were not well versed with fatmid history, beyond the narrations passed through generations.
the name of imams as it appears in Taqurrab are not in sequence. Our history came to be known in early 20th century, by english historian, we just assumed whatever did not contradict our philosophy and political and dynastical neccesities.
Shabir, you talked about the pseudo names, you did not reveal your identity, used a pseudo name.I would assume, that you could spell your name properly. so intentionally misspelled or took alias.
Before branding other cowards, you did not take a critical look at yourself. Your high sense of judgment found everyone else guilty, but yourself. Though you are the committer of same crime.
We can safely assume, your double standard will stretch to any and every act or dialogue.
Regarding miracle, you did not mention any specific event or example.
I shall tell you my story. In late seventies, before marriage , I used to love one christian girl in pakistan. She fell sick, very sick. she had typhoid and very high fever, she was admitted in holy family hospital. I at one moment prayed to Allah, that please take my life and spare hers. Imagine in pakistan, in seventies, I was beside her bed in a general ward, whole night i held her hand, no body, her parents or anyone said anything. My sense of deprivation was so high, that I could feel the strength in my desire.
Next day her fever was coming down, the nurse told her parents, that it was miracle, and said. go to church, it was jesus who saved her.
When she got better, i told her, it was not jesus, it was my strong feelings that brought her back. To be honest, i was feeling that it was my prayer that were honoured.
Though it may not be the case, it may be a usual phenomenon, which just happened.
while i am writing this, my wife is beside me, and she knows about this. But human feelings are miraculous, and their strenght is immeasurable.
they cross the boundries of every religion.
so next time you are in trouble, have faith in god, and trust your instincts. when you will get out of trouble, you will not be falsely indebted to anyone. Give yourself the credit you deserve.
miracle
A noun
1 miracle
a marvellous event manifesting a supernatural act of God .
Even though some times events are attributed to a specific person, but the act according to the basic definition is " of God".
So, it is not the person, who performed the act, rather it was an act of God.
It is very hard to find an honest and real miracle performed by any humane being at any time. The evidence of such acts are non existent. It may be in all mythologies (religious too), but actual historical record of any miracle is yet to be found.
All duats including the present one, were and are preachers of sufi islam. Historically, our duats in hindh, were prolific preaacher. They had accomodating new version of islam, which was kind and inclusive. They targetted the lower end of the society, offered them emanicipation, and yet some mythological heresay of past deeds performed by fatmid dynasty.
Most of them were not well versed with fatmid history, beyond the narrations passed through generations.
the name of imams as it appears in Taqurrab are not in sequence. Our history came to be known in early 20th century, by english historian, we just assumed whatever did not contradict our philosophy and political and dynastical neccesities.
Shabir, you talked about the pseudo names, you did not reveal your identity, used a pseudo name.I would assume, that you could spell your name properly. so intentionally misspelled or took alias.
Before branding other cowards, you did not take a critical look at yourself. Your high sense of judgment found everyone else guilty, but yourself. Though you are the committer of same crime.
We can safely assume, your double standard will stretch to any and every act or dialogue.
Regarding miracle, you did not mention any specific event or example.
I shall tell you my story. In late seventies, before marriage , I used to love one christian girl in pakistan. She fell sick, very sick. she had typhoid and very high fever, she was admitted in holy family hospital. I at one moment prayed to Allah, that please take my life and spare hers. Imagine in pakistan, in seventies, I was beside her bed in a general ward, whole night i held her hand, no body, her parents or anyone said anything. My sense of deprivation was so high, that I could feel the strength in my desire.
Next day her fever was coming down, the nurse told her parents, that it was miracle, and said. go to church, it was jesus who saved her.
When she got better, i told her, it was not jesus, it was my strong feelings that brought her back. To be honest, i was feeling that it was my prayer that were honoured.
Though it may not be the case, it may be a usual phenomenon, which just happened.
while i am writing this, my wife is beside me, and she knows about this. But human feelings are miraculous, and their strenght is immeasurable.
they cross the boundries of every religion.
so next time you are in trouble, have faith in god, and trust your instincts. when you will get out of trouble, you will not be falsely indebted to anyone. Give yourself the credit you deserve.
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I guess its settled that all things come from God.We may never understand Him completely but its always worth trying.So good things happen for a good reason.Maybe a reward for good things we do call it Mojiza or whatnot.Only He knows why the bohri's have to suffer a currupt Dai? When Rasul- allah married the richest Lady of the time.Lived according to the shariah,became poor.How can we persive the shahenshahi our Maula lives by.Has anyone seen any of the family earn an honest days wages for honest days work.Yeah they perform miracles,isnt it a miracle the guy goes through life without using his mind or body to help Gods creatures.Oh yeah the guy is full of miracles or full of something.
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The fact that only the last paragraph has been solidified and put into discussion only means theological philosophies are not invited in this 'Progressive' forum.How ever the word 'remebered' has been misused means the thinking and views expressed are purposely misinterpreted.Only Allah subhhanahu gives and and we are not in position to ask diirectly to Allah subhananhu since we are not that big.Working in any company needs protocl to be observed and any favours or requests made are never directly made to the owner or director of the company but goes through a chain.The fact that my difficuulties have vapourized and not one time and two time which could have been pointed out as concidental but at all times and when we remeber our aqa moula during difficult times we take the vasilla and not pray to him.Any way i dont have to explain any thing to any of you.You people who claim to say that you only want to fill holes are only existing to make holes.
The muslim umma for fourteen hundred years has been in possesion of the holy Quraan and now most educated muslims say that what ever the mordern science have exposed is already mentioned in the holy Quraan.The simple fact that Allah subhanahu mentions in the holy Quraan that the nights are rolled into days and the days are rolled into nights was announced to the world by non muslims when this at least this fact should have come from the mmuslims and that is theearth is round and rotates on its axis.The reason that muslims have not contributed any thing to science and than feel satified that so on so is already in the holy Quraan and feel proud about is very shameful.The reson for this is that 1400 or so years have been wasted in bickering,fighting and back biting just like this forum stands for.Nabi SAW clearly stated That I am the city of Knwolegde while Ali IS THE Gate means there is more to what is written in the holy Quraan.And Nabi SAW also said that to search for knoledge you shouldnot keep any stones unturned even if you have to travel to china to look for it.
My next phylosophy starts here.
The basic kalema which will make you a muslim is analysed.There is no god but only that of which Mohammed Rasullullah SAW is the prophet.
This means:-
1 Allah Subhanahu has Attached His 'Identity" to Nabi SAW.Now the argument is Nabi SAW is also a 'creation' of Allah than how is it that Allah attaches his identity to Nabi SAW after all Allah Subhhananhu is Al Mighty AND RABBULA ALAMIN.
2 There is no other god.Why SHOULD Allah Subahanhu mention this specifically after the gods were just statues.
If anybody of you had read this book the 'chariots of gods' it theorizes that the our planet must have been visited by extraterretrila beings and created the 'population' of the earth.I would say yes since Charles Darwin say there was evoluation and the species devoloped by selective multiplipication and cancellation.But I say that the varoius species have been devoloped by a number OF these extra teerestial beings and devolopement has been done in a spirit of competition.Like we see in these moodern times.If TOYOTA developes a car another company will deveolope another car which would be better than the one devoloped by toyots and so forth.
May be sometime in near future the earthling will visit some palnet and put life there.This is now possible considering the reserch being undertaken in molecular biology.
And than the progeressives will put one living being on that planet and will be told to speak kalema that there is no god exept asghar engineer and seifuddin insaf and accoutability is the rasul.
The muslim umma for fourteen hundred years has been in possesion of the holy Quraan and now most educated muslims say that what ever the mordern science have exposed is already mentioned in the holy Quraan.The simple fact that Allah subhanahu mentions in the holy Quraan that the nights are rolled into days and the days are rolled into nights was announced to the world by non muslims when this at least this fact should have come from the mmuslims and that is theearth is round and rotates on its axis.The reason that muslims have not contributed any thing to science and than feel satified that so on so is already in the holy Quraan and feel proud about is very shameful.The reson for this is that 1400 or so years have been wasted in bickering,fighting and back biting just like this forum stands for.Nabi SAW clearly stated That I am the city of Knwolegde while Ali IS THE Gate means there is more to what is written in the holy Quraan.And Nabi SAW also said that to search for knoledge you shouldnot keep any stones unturned even if you have to travel to china to look for it.
My next phylosophy starts here.
The basic kalema which will make you a muslim is analysed.There is no god but only that of which Mohammed Rasullullah SAW is the prophet.
This means:-
1 Allah Subhanahu has Attached His 'Identity" to Nabi SAW.Now the argument is Nabi SAW is also a 'creation' of Allah than how is it that Allah attaches his identity to Nabi SAW after all Allah Subhhananhu is Al Mighty AND RABBULA ALAMIN.
2 There is no other god.Why SHOULD Allah Subahanhu mention this specifically after the gods were just statues.
If anybody of you had read this book the 'chariots of gods' it theorizes that the our planet must have been visited by extraterretrila beings and created the 'population' of the earth.I would say yes since Charles Darwin say there was evoluation and the species devoloped by selective multiplipication and cancellation.But I say that the varoius species have been devoloped by a number OF these extra teerestial beings and devolopement has been done in a spirit of competition.Like we see in these moodern times.If TOYOTA developes a car another company will deveolope another car which would be better than the one devoloped by toyots and so forth.
May be sometime in near future the earthling will visit some palnet and put life there.This is now possible considering the reserch being undertaken in molecular biology.
And than the progeressives will put one living being on that planet and will be told to speak kalema that there is no god exept asghar engineer and seifuddin insaf and accoutability is the rasul.
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Sweeeet brother Shabir,The fact that my difficuulties have vapourized and not one time and two time which could have been pointed out as concidental but at all times and when we remeber our aqa moula during difficult times we take the vasilla and not pray to him.
I have a revelation for you. For a moment try to get off(I know it is difficult for you) your mind from jaman, majlis and maatam and listen with open mind.
See, your difficulties were vaporised because of the positive vibrations created by faith and not because the external entity such as dai. If you have faith in a monkey, donkey or a pig (no offensew to dai) and "BELIEVE" in your difficult times that the monkey will bust your troubles then you will indeed find succour. It is because the universe responds and reflects the positive vibrations of faith.
Actually if you had remembered a pig in your difficult times, you would have find relief more quickly since Burhanuddin and Taher Saifuddin have accumulated a lots of evil karmas (do u understand "karmas"?) during their lifetimes which counterweights the positive healings universe tries to send to you. So I would advise you to avoid remembering these two traitors of humanity to preclude any obstacles in the help God wants you to send.
Seeing the way you had been conditioned and brainwashed on burhani fish oil, I know you will find it hard to digest the above. Inspite of the pseudo philosophical gibberish you attempted here I know you are incapable of deep philosophical musings. For that matter, anyone who is brain blocked by dawaat is not capable of "thought". However, I am still taking a chance to drive it in your jaman hardened brain. Please try to cooperate.
I am sure you are talking about kothar and the dogfight between different "shehzadas" for the gaddi. Now don't pretend to be ignorant of the fact that Yusuf Najmuddin was murdered by the power hungry hyena to set their own puppy burhanuddin on the thorn so that they can fleece the gullible like you.The reson for this is that 1400 or so years have been wasted in bickering,fighting and back biting.
And how I wish you had witnessed the dog fight, bickerings and accusations after Badri Jamali mismanaged the Dai's latest hunting misadventure of which the latter got seriously ill....
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And by the way my moomin brother shabir, I have decided not to pick on you on the dozens of spelling mistakes you have made since I can understand the linguistic limitations of dawati and jamani bohris:
"difficuulties", "concidental", "remeber", "protocl".....
"difficuulties", "concidental", "remeber", "protocl".....
So much for education....I am an educated person with high sense of judging
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Dear shabir:
Your last sentence was an absurd addition. Yet it revealed some basic attitudes.
As you said, you are quite acknowledged person, I would presume you will be familiar with our fatmid mustaali history.
I, if not wholly, agree to your above post excluding the last senctence. There isn't any difference on how humnaity began, or will end.
I do not know Mr. Engineer or Mr. Insaf. I even do not know, what was the bone of contention between these gentlmen and bohra administration. AS I would presume, they may not be able to blindly follow the directive, or they may be critical of administrative and financial situaltion.
Well brother shabir, you did not answer, by not revealing your own real name, did you not commit the same cowardice, that you accused others of.
In your previous posts, you tried to explain the history of religion, and humanity. Yours is one school of thought. But you did not create a link between your narration and the criticism of present dawat administration.
I have not seen on this board anyoe, who is critical of our faith or relligion. It is the administration of present heirarchy, that are more or less crticized.
The institute of Dai, in our sect occupy a revered position. Dai, as we give him our allegiance for relgious and spritual guidance. So, his sole duty is to act as a guide for religious ramifications. Now that conversion is almost over, and not sought after, then Dai's sole purpose is to strengthen the fatmid faith.
Morever, Dai is just a representative of Imam, all he has to convey to us is an invitatiion to practice the faith, as and how required of religion Islam. He cannot make any addition or alteration to sharia, nor should he seek such power, according to fatmid mustaali doctorine.
Our dawoodi bohra community was established by earlier duats, they tried very hard to convert hindus, and others. As they were practicing pious persons with open mind and heart, they succeeded in creating a cohesive community throughout Kuch and mandvi. Yet they did not seek knighthood and royalty.
Some of them were day labourer, including Taylor, bahishti, trader etc. They were earning their livelihood by working hard, and also preaching dawat.
There are two aspects of every religion. one is basic faith and other is administration of faith. Basic faith can not be changed or altered. Infidelity to basic faith shall leave one expelled from that very religion.
Being a christian, will require faith in Jesus, mariam and god. A christian shall have to believe in jesus being messiah, mary being the mother and god the lord father. Being a muslim will require, belief in onness of Allah, Mohammed his prophet, and quran his book. If a christian do not believe in jesus as messiah, and a muslim do not believe in mohammed as prophet. then they can neither be christian nor muslim.
The other aspect of religion is administration of faith. In any religion, there is no compulsory requirement of total obedience in administration of faith. Or let us put this way, it is not required of any muslim, christian or any other follower to eat, dress or live as the founder of that religion did.
I shall give you some examples from prophets.
Moses led his people to unknown land, he asked allah to grant his people man o salwa. Allah granted his request, but directed him to ask his people not to hoard. But Israelites did not obery his instruction, and started hoarding food. Musa didn't declare them excomminucado, as they were not violating the basic faith, and they were not required to follow all his instruction in worldly matters. So what Allah did, he stopped sending man o salwa. But they remained israelite.
Rasulilah saw instructed in Khyber, after war, not to start collecting the war booty and remain vigilant, but his companions did pay heed to his commands, and started collecting the war booty. As a result they had to suffer lot of losses, and they could lose the war. But rasulilah did declare them excomminucado from islam. As this was a personel worldly dirction, and they were not required by faith to follow it.
Now, assuming that I have made clear the aspects of faith and their administration.
We now apply the same universal principal to our present dawoodi bohra religion. If we are to remain a believer, we shall have to have faith in fatmid dawah, and dai being the representative of imam, we also have to recognize his "diamat" existence.
If dai instructs us in the matter of religion, and according to sharia, we shall have to listen to him. His role, as were the roles of prophets and their apostles, is solely advisory. He can not create a state apparatus to enforce such edict. But disbelieving in basic sharia faith will result in loss of faith for the person.
Now if dai instructs us to wear saya kurta and hizar, it is not incumbent upon us to follow him exactly as we are told. even dai has no authority to declare anyone ousted just because he refused to carry out his administrative instructions. similarly dai has no authority according to our fatmid mustaali faith to collect any tax, even zakat on imam's behalf. Refusal to pay should not result in any punitive action.
According to our faith, dais are not sole trustees of dawat properties. Even he does not have the right to appoint the managing trustees on his behalf. First, in fatmid mustaali faith, there is no concept of acquiring properties and running institutions on behalf of the faith.
If I am correct, then the whole present system of administration becomes nullified. As there is no neccessity nor any desire on belhalf of religion to indulge in such activity.
Dai should only claim the role of guide and leader in sharia, he may advise us ways to live good honorable life. NO less NO more.
Your last sentence was an absurd addition. Yet it revealed some basic attitudes.
As you said, you are quite acknowledged person, I would presume you will be familiar with our fatmid mustaali history.
I, if not wholly, agree to your above post excluding the last senctence. There isn't any difference on how humnaity began, or will end.
I do not know Mr. Engineer or Mr. Insaf. I even do not know, what was the bone of contention between these gentlmen and bohra administration. AS I would presume, they may not be able to blindly follow the directive, or they may be critical of administrative and financial situaltion.
Well brother shabir, you did not answer, by not revealing your own real name, did you not commit the same cowardice, that you accused others of.
In your previous posts, you tried to explain the history of religion, and humanity. Yours is one school of thought. But you did not create a link between your narration and the criticism of present dawat administration.
I have not seen on this board anyoe, who is critical of our faith or relligion. It is the administration of present heirarchy, that are more or less crticized.
The institute of Dai, in our sect occupy a revered position. Dai, as we give him our allegiance for relgious and spritual guidance. So, his sole duty is to act as a guide for religious ramifications. Now that conversion is almost over, and not sought after, then Dai's sole purpose is to strengthen the fatmid faith.
Morever, Dai is just a representative of Imam, all he has to convey to us is an invitatiion to practice the faith, as and how required of religion Islam. He cannot make any addition or alteration to sharia, nor should he seek such power, according to fatmid mustaali doctorine.
Our dawoodi bohra community was established by earlier duats, they tried very hard to convert hindus, and others. As they were practicing pious persons with open mind and heart, they succeeded in creating a cohesive community throughout Kuch and mandvi. Yet they did not seek knighthood and royalty.
Some of them were day labourer, including Taylor, bahishti, trader etc. They were earning their livelihood by working hard, and also preaching dawat.
There are two aspects of every religion. one is basic faith and other is administration of faith. Basic faith can not be changed or altered. Infidelity to basic faith shall leave one expelled from that very religion.
Being a christian, will require faith in Jesus, mariam and god. A christian shall have to believe in jesus being messiah, mary being the mother and god the lord father. Being a muslim will require, belief in onness of Allah, Mohammed his prophet, and quran his book. If a christian do not believe in jesus as messiah, and a muslim do not believe in mohammed as prophet. then they can neither be christian nor muslim.
The other aspect of religion is administration of faith. In any religion, there is no compulsory requirement of total obedience in administration of faith. Or let us put this way, it is not required of any muslim, christian or any other follower to eat, dress or live as the founder of that religion did.
I shall give you some examples from prophets.
Moses led his people to unknown land, he asked allah to grant his people man o salwa. Allah granted his request, but directed him to ask his people not to hoard. But Israelites did not obery his instruction, and started hoarding food. Musa didn't declare them excomminucado, as they were not violating the basic faith, and they were not required to follow all his instruction in worldly matters. So what Allah did, he stopped sending man o salwa. But they remained israelite.
Rasulilah saw instructed in Khyber, after war, not to start collecting the war booty and remain vigilant, but his companions did pay heed to his commands, and started collecting the war booty. As a result they had to suffer lot of losses, and they could lose the war. But rasulilah did declare them excomminucado from islam. As this was a personel worldly dirction, and they were not required by faith to follow it.
Now, assuming that I have made clear the aspects of faith and their administration.
We now apply the same universal principal to our present dawoodi bohra religion. If we are to remain a believer, we shall have to have faith in fatmid dawah, and dai being the representative of imam, we also have to recognize his "diamat" existence.
If dai instructs us in the matter of religion, and according to sharia, we shall have to listen to him. His role, as were the roles of prophets and their apostles, is solely advisory. He can not create a state apparatus to enforce such edict. But disbelieving in basic sharia faith will result in loss of faith for the person.
Now if dai instructs us to wear saya kurta and hizar, it is not incumbent upon us to follow him exactly as we are told. even dai has no authority to declare anyone ousted just because he refused to carry out his administrative instructions. similarly dai has no authority according to our fatmid mustaali faith to collect any tax, even zakat on imam's behalf. Refusal to pay should not result in any punitive action.
According to our faith, dais are not sole trustees of dawat properties. Even he does not have the right to appoint the managing trustees on his behalf. First, in fatmid mustaali faith, there is no concept of acquiring properties and running institutions on behalf of the faith.
If I am correct, then the whole present system of administration becomes nullified. As there is no neccessity nor any desire on belhalf of religion to indulge in such activity.
Dai should only claim the role of guide and leader in sharia, he may advise us ways to live good honorable life. NO less NO more.
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La-jawab accounty.I heard something similar at Abbas Aurangabadi's majlis.Where the sermons were so good that cramped space,no food and bad wheather did not make any diffrence.We went there because our hearts and soul dragged us there.May God bless his soul.Again thanks for the explanation
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TO PRAY TO A PIG SHOULD SUIT YOU.
MY EDUCATION DOES NOT CONSTRAIN ME TO USE THE RIGHT SPELLING EVERY TIME IF THE MESSEGE IS DELIVERED THAN IS ENOUGH.BUT ONLY PEOPLE LIKE YOU WHO HAVE ENSLAVED THEMSELVES TO THE ENGLISH PEOPLE NEED TO USE THE RIGHT SPELLING.IF INTELLIGENCE IS AVAILABLE HERE IN THE FORUM THAN SURE EVEN MIS SPELLED WORDS WILL BE PROPERLY EVALUATED.
AS I SAID IT IS TH MUSLIMS WHO HAD BEEN BICKERING AND PULLING EACH OTHER DOWN.AND THERE HAS BEEN NO LIMITATION TO IT.THE MOGHUL EMPIRE WHICH WAS ONE OF THE GREATEST EMPIRE CAME DOWN BECAUSE OF BACK BITITING AND DISUNITY AMONGST THE MUSLIM NIZAMS AND SO FORTH.THE BRITISH USED THAT TO THERE ADVANTAGE AND ESTABLISHED THE BRITISH EMPIRE.
EVEN IN THESE MORDERN DAYS IF YOU ALL VISIT THE 911 SITE THE GOOD AMERICANS PUBLISH THEIR RESEARCH AND THEY SHOW PROOF THAT THE TWIN TOWERS WERE DEMOLISHED BY CONTROLLED EXPLOSION AND THE BLAME HAD BEEN PUT ON MUSLIM TERORISTS.
LASTLY I WOULD LIKE TO MENTION THAT MY BELIEFS ARE MY PRIVATE BELIEFS AND YOUR BELIEFS ARE YOUR PRIVATE BELIEFS.I DONT INVITE ANY OPINIONS FROM ANY BODY ON MY BELIEFS.I AM JUST EXPRESSING VIEWS AND IF YOU ARE INTRESTED IN DISCUSSIONS AND INTERPRETATION THAN I CAN CONTINUE TO COME HERE.YOU HAVE ALL THE BAD KNOWLEDGE ABOUT US BUT IF YOU DO HAVE GOOD KNOWLEDGE THAN PLEASE PUBLISH THAT ALSO WITH OUT PREJUDICE.AND THE OLDER PEOPLE OF THESE FORUM WHO I SUPPOSE HAVE TAKEN INTO THEIR HANDS TO BE ELDERS OF THE PROGRESSIVE MOVEMENT SHOULD EDUCATE THE YOUNGER PEOPLE NOT TO FORGET ETIQUETT AND CULTURE.MAY BE AQA MOULA IS NOT YOUR AQA MOULA BUT I AM SURE HE IS MUCH MORE SENIOR IN AGE AND AT LEAST THAT SHOULD NOT BE FORGOTTEN.EVEN IF YOUR FATHER WAS MY ENEMY BUT IF HE WAS AS OLD AS AQA MOULA THAN I WOULD REFRAIN FROM USING UNBECOMING LANGUAGE TO ADDRESS HIM.
ONE MORE SUGGESTION IS THAT IF YOU HAVE SOME GOOD IT GUYS WHY DONT YOU PROGRAMM THIS MESSEGE BOARD SO THAT SPELLINGS ARE AUTOMATICALLY CORRECTED.
MY EDUCATION DOES NOT CONSTRAIN ME TO USE THE RIGHT SPELLING EVERY TIME IF THE MESSEGE IS DELIVERED THAN IS ENOUGH.BUT ONLY PEOPLE LIKE YOU WHO HAVE ENSLAVED THEMSELVES TO THE ENGLISH PEOPLE NEED TO USE THE RIGHT SPELLING.IF INTELLIGENCE IS AVAILABLE HERE IN THE FORUM THAN SURE EVEN MIS SPELLED WORDS WILL BE PROPERLY EVALUATED.
AS I SAID IT IS TH MUSLIMS WHO HAD BEEN BICKERING AND PULLING EACH OTHER DOWN.AND THERE HAS BEEN NO LIMITATION TO IT.THE MOGHUL EMPIRE WHICH WAS ONE OF THE GREATEST EMPIRE CAME DOWN BECAUSE OF BACK BITITING AND DISUNITY AMONGST THE MUSLIM NIZAMS AND SO FORTH.THE BRITISH USED THAT TO THERE ADVANTAGE AND ESTABLISHED THE BRITISH EMPIRE.
EVEN IN THESE MORDERN DAYS IF YOU ALL VISIT THE 911 SITE THE GOOD AMERICANS PUBLISH THEIR RESEARCH AND THEY SHOW PROOF THAT THE TWIN TOWERS WERE DEMOLISHED BY CONTROLLED EXPLOSION AND THE BLAME HAD BEEN PUT ON MUSLIM TERORISTS.
LASTLY I WOULD LIKE TO MENTION THAT MY BELIEFS ARE MY PRIVATE BELIEFS AND YOUR BELIEFS ARE YOUR PRIVATE BELIEFS.I DONT INVITE ANY OPINIONS FROM ANY BODY ON MY BELIEFS.I AM JUST EXPRESSING VIEWS AND IF YOU ARE INTRESTED IN DISCUSSIONS AND INTERPRETATION THAN I CAN CONTINUE TO COME HERE.YOU HAVE ALL THE BAD KNOWLEDGE ABOUT US BUT IF YOU DO HAVE GOOD KNOWLEDGE THAN PLEASE PUBLISH THAT ALSO WITH OUT PREJUDICE.AND THE OLDER PEOPLE OF THESE FORUM WHO I SUPPOSE HAVE TAKEN INTO THEIR HANDS TO BE ELDERS OF THE PROGRESSIVE MOVEMENT SHOULD EDUCATE THE YOUNGER PEOPLE NOT TO FORGET ETIQUETT AND CULTURE.MAY BE AQA MOULA IS NOT YOUR AQA MOULA BUT I AM SURE HE IS MUCH MORE SENIOR IN AGE AND AT LEAST THAT SHOULD NOT BE FORGOTTEN.EVEN IF YOUR FATHER WAS MY ENEMY BUT IF HE WAS AS OLD AS AQA MOULA THAN I WOULD REFRAIN FROM USING UNBECOMING LANGUAGE TO ADDRESS HIM.
ONE MORE SUGGESTION IS THAT IF YOU HAVE SOME GOOD IT GUYS WHY DONT YOU PROGRAMM THIS MESSEGE BOARD SO THAT SPELLINGS ARE AUTOMATICALLY CORRECTED.
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Shabir,
Education, doesn't 'constrain' but enables one to use right spelling and syntax of the language he is trying to communicate in. Going by your logic, if someone stresses correct spelling in Arabic he must be a slave of Arabs. Huh? See your kothari logic...
Friend, your writing is too incoherent for anyone to make sense. Besides, you are yet to reply any of the questions thrown towards you by acc'ty and co. You keep blowing your own pipe in isolation. And I am sure no one is amazed since we are all too familiar with kothari style of arguement on this board. It will be no surprise if two posts down the line you unilaterally declare a 'victory' of kothar over progressives since no one was able to make sense out of your 'intelligent' posts.
Lastly, using upper caps means 'yelling'. Please do not carry over your majlis/jamatkhana yelling habits here, for this is not considered good etiquette in the civilised world (ie in the realm outside the closed and secret bohra world).
Education, doesn't 'constrain' but enables one to use right spelling and syntax of the language he is trying to communicate in. Going by your logic, if someone stresses correct spelling in Arabic he must be a slave of Arabs. Huh? See your kothari logic...
Friend, your writing is too incoherent for anyone to make sense. Besides, you are yet to reply any of the questions thrown towards you by acc'ty and co. You keep blowing your own pipe in isolation. And I am sure no one is amazed since we are all too familiar with kothari style of arguement on this board. It will be no surprise if two posts down the line you unilaterally declare a 'victory' of kothar over progressives since no one was able to make sense out of your 'intelligent' posts.
I'll take the opportunity to educate you about the elementary nature of public forums/debates. Dude, you don't express your private beliefs publicly and then expect people to refrain from commenting on them. Do you? Here it is always going to be two way.LASTLY I WOULD LIKE TO MENTION THAT MY BELIEFS ARE MY PRIVATE BELIEFS AND YOUR BELIEFS ARE YOUR PRIVATE BELIEFS.I DONT INVITE ANY OPINIONS FROM ANY BODY ON MY BELIEFS
Do your homework and research the previous posts for 'good' knowledge. And btw, what is the "Us" and "you" thing. Most of us are born and brought up in the community. So "you" and "we" have equal access to knowledge about bohras whether good or bad. I must ask you, where do you live. I still live in a tradtional bohri mohalla with my bohri parents. The chances are that I know more about bohras than you do.YOU HAVE ALL THE BAD KNOWLEDGE ABOUT US BUT IF YOU DO HAVE GOOD KNOWLEDGE THAN PLEASE PUBLISH THAT ALSO WITH OUT PREJUDICE.
Lastly, using upper caps means 'yelling'. Please do not carry over your majlis/jamatkhana yelling habits here, for this is not considered good etiquette in the civilised world (ie in the realm outside the closed and secret bohra world).
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That is what I had been saying all along
All YOU KOTHARIS HAVE BEEN BANGING YOUR HEAD AGAINST THE KOTHARI WALL AND NOW I KNOW WHy YOU HAVE FRIED BRAINS and cannot participate in a civilized debate
Thank Pro Pig you getting it right BANGING THE HEAD and that is the problem
All YOU KOTHARIS HAVE BEEN BANGING YOUR HEAD AGAINST THE KOTHARI WALL AND NOW I KNOW WHy YOU HAVE FRIED BRAINS and cannot participate in a civilized debate
Thank Pro Pig you getting it right BANGING THE HEAD and that is the problem
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OMA TODAY I AM AT HOME SO I HAVE TIME TO BROWSE HERE. YOU SHOULD TRY TO IMPROVE YOUR LANGUAGE.ITS NOT GOOD TO USE SUCH LOW CLASS LANGUAGE BEING A LADY.I KNOW YOUR FATHER DID NOT HAVE TIME TO TEACH YOU ALL THAT BUT I AM SURE YOUR SCHOOL TECHERS WERE NOT THAT NEGLIGENT.MAY BE YOU ATTENDED SOME BAD SCHOOL BUT STILL I MEAN TEACHERS DUTY IS TO BE THE SECOND PARENTS.ANY WAY THE ELDERS OF THIS FORUM SHOULD CORRECT YOU.AND DONT FEEL OFFENDED IF I WRITE WITH CAPS ON.MY EYES ARE NOT GOOD AS THEY USED TO BE TEN YEARS BACK.I AM NOT A YOUNG BOY TO HAVE ALL MY PARTS WORKING IN PERECT ORDER.IF THERE ARE ANY SPELING MISTAKES PLEASE CORRECT ME.AFTER ALL I WANT TO PASS IN THIS ENGLISH EXAM WHICH TAHIR IS HOLDING.
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Another fried brain talk
HOW DO YOU KNOW I AM LADY IF SCREEN NAME CONFUSES YOU THAN PRO PIG AND PRO FROG who always defends Kotharis must be of Animal Kingdom and Ruhani Bawa must be proud of their offsprings.
As I said BANGING THE HEAD AGAINST WALL HAS REALLY CONFUSED YOU GUYS
HOW DO YOU KNOW I AM LADY IF SCREEN NAME CONFUSES YOU THAN PRO PIG AND PRO FROG who always defends Kotharis must be of Animal Kingdom and Ruhani Bawa must be proud of their offsprings.
As I said BANGING THE HEAD AGAINST WALL HAS REALLY CONFUSED YOU GUYS
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I DONT KNOW ABOUT AQA MOULA SINCE HE NEVER BOASTS ABOUT HIS ACHIEVMENTS BUT SINCE YOU SEEM TO BE SO MUCH BETTER MAY BE, THAT IS IF YOU WISH, WE CAN BE ENLIGHTENED A LITTLE.
THE WAY DISCUSSIONS ARE BEING TURNED TO PETTY THOUGHTS IS PROOF ENOUGH THAT HARDCORE JEALOUSY AGAINST AQA MOULA IS SHINING BRIGHTLY.YOU SAY THAT YOU LIVE IN BOHRI MOALLA AND WITH BOHRI PARENTS BUT REMEMBER ONE THING.ONE LIVING IN A MOSQUE CANNOT BE CONSIDERED AN ANGEL.YOUR PURE HATRED FOR AQA MOULA IS NOTHING LESS THAN A PETTY REFLECTION OF YOUR SELF WHICH YOU TRY TO PROTRAY AS UNMATCHABLY GREAT.HOWEVER GREAT YOU LOOK AT YOUR SELF TO BE BUT FINALLY THE DISGUSTING WORDS SPAT OUT FROM YOUR FAOUL MOUTH OUTSHINES YOUR MODESTY WHICH I DOUBT IS EXISTING.
THE WAY DISCUSSIONS ARE BEING TURNED TO PETTY THOUGHTS IS PROOF ENOUGH THAT HARDCORE JEALOUSY AGAINST AQA MOULA IS SHINING BRIGHTLY.YOU SAY THAT YOU LIVE IN BOHRI MOALLA AND WITH BOHRI PARENTS BUT REMEMBER ONE THING.ONE LIVING IN A MOSQUE CANNOT BE CONSIDERED AN ANGEL.YOUR PURE HATRED FOR AQA MOULA IS NOTHING LESS THAN A PETTY REFLECTION OF YOUR SELF WHICH YOU TRY TO PROTRAY AS UNMATCHABLY GREAT.HOWEVER GREAT YOU LOOK AT YOUR SELF TO BE BUT FINALLY THE DISGUSTING WORDS SPAT OUT FROM YOUR FAOUL MOUTH OUTSHINES YOUR MODESTY WHICH I DOUBT IS EXISTING.
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Shabir,
May we please request you not to use ALL CAPS (capital letters) in your comments. Contrary to what you think, all caps words and sentneces are not only difficult to read but also look bad. Sorry, we do not have a software to correct people's spellings, at the very least we expect participants on this board to have some basic literacy. Thank you for your cooperation.
May we please request you not to use ALL CAPS (capital letters) in your comments. Contrary to what you think, all caps words and sentneces are not only difficult to read but also look bad. Sorry, we do not have a software to correct people's spellings, at the very least we expect participants on this board to have some basic literacy. Thank you for your cooperation.