A golden opportunity lost – Part One

[allbird]

Originally posted by accountability:
admin this is too much, this guy albird is crossing every limit, the discussion should never become personal to such extent that it crosses all civility and morality. i suggest he be given a strong warning that in any discussion the civility should not be crossed.

I will not be surprised if Admin warms me since mumin52 and trance got ban for confronting tahir. I think tahir and admin are like minded WANKERS like tahir said before

"Apna haath jagannath".. "

I am just warming up !!!!

[allbird]

Originally posted by accountability:
admin this is too much, this guy albird is crossing every limit, the discussion should never become personal to such extent that it crosses all civility and morality. i suggest he be given a strong warning that in any discussion the civility should not be crossed.

WHAT civility and morality YOUR ARE TALKING ABOUT this is prgressive forum. I followed this forum and read post as far as 2001, so don't give me that BS about civility stuff. Just play if you can or say out if its too HOT FOR YOU !!!!

[mumin_mukhlish]

AlBird,
If admin had an enough guts to face the truth,He could have banned Tahir after his following post in one of the past topics.

Anwar,
Thanks for the link.

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On Thursday at around 10:30 pm, after a nearly four hour vigil, he shot a lion. It was a prize nine feet beast with a handsome gold and black mane
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Maula TUS also shot a buffalo and a water buck
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SHAME ON THE COWARD!!

What if he faced the lion without any weapon or a dozen subordinates? The headings would rather be like this:

On Thursday at around 10:30 pm, after a 30 seconds play, the 9 feet long handsome lion killed a 94 year old pig. The beast suffered indigestion after consuming the lowly meat

But How can you expect truth on the site having full of lies?

Acct,
What do you want to say for the above post from Tahir?

[tahir]

Acc'bility,
The abdes have long held kenyan faeces in their bowels. Let them shit to their heart's content unless admin and others start getting annoyed.

[Admin]

Please people control yourselves. Once again we remind all participants that each one of you has the responsibility to maintain the dignity and decorum of this forum. Of course, some Orthos may have no use for such fine sentiments, but as progressives you have a reputation to live up to. We admit that strong differences sometimes provoke strong language but even then it doesn’t have to descend to this level.

Also, as we have mentioned before, this unruly behavior creates extra work for us – frankly, we do not enjoy editing/deleting posts and banning people. This is not the “progressiveâ€

[kalim]

Dear tahir: I strongly urge you and other progressives to refrain from vicious language. It does not serve any purpose except to excite the orthodox crowd and divert attention from the topic under discussion. Your point can be made without resort to such words. I also suggest to other progressives to openly condemn foul language by other progressives more often. That way no one can accuse us of partiality.

I wonder why the "true mumins" on this site do not take the moral high ground? After all they claim to be followers of a "messenger of peace". I have yet to see decent arguments from any of the fanatical bohras on this board. Maybe they are so intellectually bankrupt that they can't help but resort to vulgar noises to hide their insecurity. Maybe their emperor really has no clothes.

[allbird]

Originally posted by mumin_mukhlish:
AlBird,
If admin had an enough guts to face the truth,He could have banned Tahir after his following post in one of the past topics.

Anwar,
Thanks for the link.

quote:
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On Thursday at around 10:30 pm, after a nearly four hour vigil, he shot a lion. It was a prize nine feet beast with a handsome gold and black mane
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quote:
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Maula TUS also shot a buffalo and a water buck
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SHAME ON THE COWARD!!

What if he faced the lion without any weapon or a dozen subordinates? The headings would rather be like this:

On Thursday at around 10:30 pm, after a 30 seconds play, the 9 feet long handsome lion killed a 94 year old pig. The beast suffered indigestion after consuming the lowly meat

But How can you expect truth on the site having full of lies?

Acct,
What do you want to say for the above post from Tahir?

Yes Br Mumin_Mukhlish,

This Asgari can have whatever belief fights with kothar or any amil, mullahs anyone thats NOT a problem BUT when they use vulgar language/words towards our Rahaabar then they have just cross the line. Thats went likes of you and me come into picture. This Asgaris are like fallens leaves dying, decaying and rotting every moment thats the fact.

To likes of Admin, Acco'ty etc.
There are lots of Asgaris on this forum i never display any valugarity or profinity accept tahir (must be a SCUM of the universe) so far. Well he EARNED it. Unless he Apologize and heartfull says SORRY for what he spoke in the past was WRONG.

We will HOUND, HUNT and KILL likes of tahir as trophies!!!!!!!!

We will fight in the battle grounds
We'll fight in the ocean
We'll fight on this forum
W'll never surrender.

We will defend our Ourselves

[accountability]

I do not at all condone the language used by anyone, that is conforming to civility and morality. having said that Al Bird, i am at loss to understand why syedna saheb at the age of 94, go out in the jungles of africa, and i also am very baffled about the spirituality of such an extravagant event. hunting is very worldly and to some extent cruel entertainment. after a thorough search i could not find one example of a saint, wnating to prey on innocent animals like buffalo and duck. also the enormeous amount spent on such worldly and exhibitionist endeavour. actually mukhlis people should have raised their voices. the managers of such an event should have been put to task. also in a previous post, an insider just disclosed, that syedna saheb got ill because of the mosquitos etc. this makes it double sin. i hope albird you will reply to this with some arguments. i am anxious for that.

[accountability]

please read "not conforming to" instead of conforming to. my apologies.

[allbird]

Originally posted by Kalim:
Dear tahir: I strongly urge you and other progressives to refrain from vicious language. It does not serve any purpose except to excite the orthodox crowd and divert attention from the topic under discussion. Your point can be made without resort to such words. I also suggest to other progressives to openly condemn foul language by other progressives more often. That way no one can accuse us of partiality.

I wonder why the "true mumins" on this site do not take the moral high ground? After all they claim to be followers of a "messenger of peace". I have yet to see decent arguments from any of the fanatical bohras on this board.

Kalim we could take MORE higher grounds then expected and that would be never subscribe to this forum at all. However when you read stuff like this then you are force to logon and reply.

>>Maybe they are so intellectually bankrupt that they can't help but resort to vulgar noises to hide their insecurity.

Well kalim, tahir offered his 13 year sister as najwa to you. Lucky for you have fun !!!!

>>>Maybe their emperor really has no clothes.
tahir's sister just lost HER in this forum !!

[allbird]

Originally posted by accountability:
I do not at all condone the language used by anyone, that is conforming to civility and morality. having said that Al Bird, i am at loss to understand why syedna saheb at the age of 94, go out in the jungles of africa, and i also am very baffled about the spirituality of such an extravagant event. hunting is very worldly and to some extent cruel entertainment. after a thorough search i could not find one example of a saint, wnating to prey on innocent animals like buffalo and duck. also the enormeous amount spent on such worldly and exhibitionist endeavour. actually mukhlis people should have raised their voices. the managers of such an event should have been put to task. also in a previous post, an insider just disclosed, that syedna saheb got ill because of the mosquitos etc. this makes it double sin. i hope albird you will reply to this with some arguments. i am anxious for that.

Ok now Acco'ty we are talking in good language like me answer that in good human language. Its nothing to do with Mozzy, its just his AGE. If it was Mozzies that all people acompanying him would have fallen ill too. Secondly just because George Bush and Sadam Husain are healthy does not mean they are good human. Rumours, propaganda no one has answer for that.
About the hunting part go check for yourself again if you found any saints or Imam ever hunting. Thats how Moula Ali's roza was found !!! On a hunting trip. See thats your problem half knowledge in VERY VERY dangerous......

[accountability]

admin, please, I dont know, how lowly could it get. I do not have strong words to condemn.

[allbird]

Originally posted by accountability:
I do not at all condone the language used by anyone, that is conforming to civility and morality. having said that Al Bird, i am at loss to understand why syedna saheb at the age of 94, go out in the jungles of africa, and i also am very baffled about the spirituality of such an extravagant event. hunting is very worldly and to some extent cruel entertainment. after a thorough search i could not find one example of a saint, wnating to prey on innocent animals like buffalo and duck. also the enormeous amount spent on such worldly and exhibitionist endeavour. actually mukhlis people should have raised their voices. the managers of such an event should have been put to task. also in a previous post, an insider just disclosed, that syedna saheb got ill because of the mosquitos etc. this makes it double sin. i hope albird you will reply to this with some arguments. i am anxious for that.

Secondly Aka Moula never spend any money from Dawat's account. It was all STATE sponsored, he has valid government right to hunt. No where in Koran or any islamic Kitab hunting is declared as HARAM act.

[accountability]

Originally posted by AlBird:
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Ok now Acco'ty we are talking in good language like me answer that in good human language. Its nothing to do with Mozzy, its just his AGE. If it was Mozzies that all people acompanying him would have fallen ill too. Secondly just because George Bush and Sadam Husain are healthy does not mean they are good human. Rumours, propaganda no one has answer for that.
About the hunting part go check for yourself again if you found any saints or Imam ever hunting. Thats how Moula Ali's roza was found !!! On a hunting trip. See thats your problem half knowledge in VERY VERY dangerous......[/QB][/QUOTE]
but you did not reply that what hunting has to do with sprituality. syedna saheb has praised saddam hussain, and in waaz, he did pray for his defence, when americans were invading iraq. also syedna saheb has recieved letter of felicitation from george bush, and very proudly posted on mumineen.org. which one is correct version, yours or mumineen.org's. syedna saheb went to hunting trip, that is not the propaganda, it is an actual fact. and can you cite the refrence of the book, in which it is narrated that maula Ali's roza was found in a hunting trip.

[allbird]

Originally posted by accountability:
admin, please, I dont know, how lowly could it get. I do not have strong words to condemn.

ADIM,

You stop your Lot from using that language and i will too infact disappear all together from this forum. But in confrontion i will reply in KIND WORDS if you BAN me no problem we have population of 2 million worldwide so some other Albird will come and continue this fight. If you follow whats written is just the repeatation from the past post. Like i said before never let out loose words they will comeback to you in some way or the other. Look previously your LOT was discussing free SEX on this forum so why worry we are all bathing in same hamaam. tahir sulked away then kalim came right into the trap with strong words and blasphamy so i gave him the same, acco'ty asked me something decently i gave him/her decent straight reply. Does this balance out right, see i am not a bad person after all.

[tahir]

Kalim,
Thank you for the advice. Of late, I have been trying my best not to use expletives and not to indulge in squabbles. That really digresses. At the same time I do not think that prgressives should be influenced by the accusations and judgements of the people who have already surrendered their power of judgement to someone else (a spiritual masquerader with vested interests). For these people, the very reform movement and this board have no basis for existence.

Admin,
I thought you have adopted a zero tolerance policy. In the past you have banned people for creating half the mess which AlBird is creating (eg. Juan Banderas). Not to mention the web space he wastes by quoting almost the entire thread in every post. Do not let yourself be swayed by the tactical cries of 'partiality'.

[practical]

Dear Albird,

If hunting is not wrong please tell me why on the site of Burhani foundation (which is the site of Kothar) advise to preserve animals?

Hope you reply will be straight forward to this straight forward question.

[mature]

come on where is it said that hunting is wrong and is not allowed,and about preserving animals even you reformists must be able to know the difference between halal and haram jaanwar unless it makes no difference to you,shikar is allowed of halal jaanwar for food and haram jaanwar for any purpose even for their skins,if i am wrong please prove me wrong with facts

[Admin]

Sorry, AlBird we'll have to let you go. You had enough warning.

[jamanpasand]

I fail to understand the rationale for ban, when reappearance can be made with another ID.

Tahir and Albirds, in their true form, makes this forum lively. You are really champions of your own cause. Keep it up!!!!!

[kalim]

I think it is a good idea to ban members who keep misusing the great facility provided by this forum. However, progressive members should set the standard by refraining from abusive language. That said, I agree with tahir that for "true mumins" the very existence of this board and the progressive movement is something to loath. So we should not let their appeals to fairness sway us. After all, no progressive voice or whimper of dissent is even allowed on the traditional Malumaat or Mumineen lists.

[observer]

Let me do Al bIrd's argument: Show me where in the Koran is it stated that one cannot hunt.

[jamanpasand]

My Dear Observer

The progressive are not arguing whether Shikar is halal or haram or it is in accordance with Koran or not.

They are just curios to know that at age 94 what really forced him to go for shikar, where he ultimately had to pay the price in terms of acute illness, so much so that he missed his namaz in the holy month of Ramzan in London mosque.

At this old age, normally one expects Allah Allah.

[accountability]

Nowhere in the Quran it is prohibited to hunt. the point is syedna saheb is 94 years old. he has no apparent business of his own. he claims to be the representative of god on earth. Godly people have to worry about other godly things. as per insider this also resulted in syedna saheb's ill health. During the while when he was hunting, lot of common bohras in india pakistan and elsewhere in the world were in trouble. they may be in need of messiah. and messiah was hunting. we have to differeniate between religion and government. either we have a spritual leader or a monarch. sages and monarchs have different functions and priorities. monarch rules the masses to exploit and govern. sages rule on hearts and minds, but do not exploit, their aim is to end exploitation, and bring men closer to god by good deeds and justice.

[allbird]

Originally posted by jamanpasand:
My Dear Observer

The progressive are not arguing whether Shikar is halal or haram or it is in accordance with Koran or not.

They are just curios to know that at age 94 what really forced him to go for shikar, where he ultimately had to pay the price in terms of acute illness, so much so that he missed his namaz in the holy month of Ramzan in London mosque.

At this old age, normally one expects Allah Allah.

Jamadpasad Aka Mr. Hungry Jack,

I am proud that even at that age he can HUNT that too a Lion. Would you be able kill a mice at that age.

[allbird]

Originally posted by accountability:
Nowhere in the Quran it is prohibited to hunt. the point is syedna saheb is 94 years old. he has no apparent business of his own. he claims to be the representative of god on earth. Godly people have to worry about other godly things. as per insider this also resulted in syedna saheb's ill health. During the while when he was hunting, lot of common bohras in india pakistan and elsewhere in the world were in trouble. they may be in need of messiah. and messiah was hunting. we have to differeniate between religion and government. either we have a spritual leader or a monarch. sages and monarchs have different functions and priorities. monarch rules the masses to exploit and govern. sages rule on hearts and minds, but do not exploit, their aim is to end exploitation, and bring men closer to god by good deeds and justice.

acco'ty,

I have read and re-read post last couple of them. You are too vague about things. You keep gyrating between true religion and your understanding of religion. My arguement stays that NO WHERE IN KORAN or ISLAM HUNTING is HARAM act. So the bottomline is Aka Moual(TUS) has not committed any act or deed which would be at argue. END OF STORY full stop, THE END.
about his health please refer to my past post. And read it carefully again and again. If problem persist seek medical (religious) advice immidiately.

[jamanpasand]

Albird

I thought you were gone.

Anyway I am not interested in becoming a chuhamar. Let your aka be lionmar and you become a chuhamar. Then have a feast over it.

[allbird]

Originally posted by Admin:
Sorry, AlBird we'll have to let you go. You had enough warning.

Thanks Admin this means Adios, Goodbye, Au Revour, Kuda Hafiz. Hope i don't have to comeback again. Have FUN Asgaris !!!!!!!

[accountability]

Albird, this is the problem with all the people so fanatically occupied and mesmerized. you did not read my post carefully. please read it again. then try dictionery for monarch and sage. then there is another problem, yours is a mindset, you are unable to accept the logic behin any argument. you did not reply, has syedna saheb prayed for saddam hussain, has syedna saheb recieved letters from george bush. has syedna saheb granted shawl as a token of respect to narendra modi. please do reply.

[practical]

The following is pasted from the link given below

Save Endangered Species:
Many animal species are facing extinction. Every one of us has a responsibility to ensure that animals like rhinos and tigers live unharmed, and are known to the future generation not just as zoo attractions. To help these species survive, stop using or promoting products made from animal skin, bones, tortoise shell, ivory or coral - these are illegal in several countries. Buying animal products is the same as killing endangered species.
http://www.burhani.org/GREEN/INDEX.HTM

There is no mention of halal or haram in this message.

I knew that Albird or mature will never answer straight forward and instead will confuse.

It is significant that Sayedna is ill since killing lion.

I never heard, lions are doing bad-doa!!!