Did you know Prophet Mohammed (PBUH) raced horses?

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The Imam of the Muslims which the Nizari Ismailis adhere to has continued the Prophet's (PBUH) tradition in modern day. Mashallah!<p>>>><br>Did you know Prophet Mohammed (PBUH) raced horses?<p>*****Dawud, Book 14, Number 2570:<p>Narrated Abdullah ibn Umar:<p>The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) used to make lean by training horses which<br>he<br>employed in the race.<p><br>*****Dawud, Book 14, Number 2571:<p>Narrated Abdullah ibn Umar:<p>The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) used to hold a race between horses and kept<br>the one in the fifth year at a long distance.<p><br>*****Dawud, Book 14, Number 2573:<p>Narrated AbuHurayrah:<p>The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: If one enters a horse with two others<br>when he is not certain that it cannot be beaten, it is not gambling; but<br>when<br>one enters a horse with two others when he is certain it cannot be beaten,<br>it<br>is gambling.<p><br>*****Dawud, Book 14, Number 2575:<p>Narrated Imran ibn Husayn:<p>The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: There must be no shouting or leading<br>another horse at one's side. Yahya added in his tradition: When racing for a<br>wager.<p><br>*****Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 8, Number 412:<p>Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar:<p>Allah's Apostle ordered for a horse race; the trained horses were to run<br>from<br>a place called Al-Hafya' to Thaniyat Al-Wada' and the horses which were not<br>trained were to run from Al-Thaniya to the Masjid (mosque of) Bani Zuraiq.<p><br>The sub narrator added: Ibn Umar was one of those who took part in the race.<p><br>*****Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 52, Number 120:<p>Narrated ('Abdullah) bin 'Umar:<p>The Prophet arranged for a horse race amongst the horses that had been made<br>lean to take place between Al-Hafya'' and Thaniyat Al-Wada' (i.e. names of<br>two places) and the horses which had not been made lean from Ath-Thaniyat to<br>the mosque of Bani Zuraiq.<p>I was also amongst those who took part in that horse race. Sufyan, a<br>sub-narrator, said, "The distance between Al-Hafya and Thaniya Al-Wada' is<br>five or six miles; and between Thaniya and the mosque of Bani Zuraiq is one<br>mile."<p><br>*****Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 52, Number 121:<p>Narrated Abdullah:<p>The Prophet arranged for a horse race of the horses which had not been made<br>lean; the area of the race was from Ath-Thaniya to the mosque of Bani<br>Zuraiq.<br>The sub-narrator said, "'Abdullah bin 'Umar was amongst those who<br>participated in that horse race."<p><br>*****Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 52, Number 122:<p>Narrated Abu Ishaq from Musa bin 'Uqba from Mafia from Ibn 'Umar who said:<p><br>"Allah's Apostle arranged a horse race amongst the horses that had been made<br>lean, letting them start from Al-Hafya' and their limit (distance of<br>running)<br>was up to Thaniyat-al-Wada'. I asked Musa, 'What was the distance between<br>the<br>two places?' Musa replied, 'Six or seven miles. He arranged a race of the<br>horses which had not been made lean sending them from Thaniyat-al-Wada', and<br>their limit was up to the mosque of Bani Zuraiq.'<p>I asked, 'What was the distance between those two places?' He replied 'One<br>mile or so.' Ibn 'Umar was amongst those who participated in that horse<br>race."<p><br>*****Bukhari, Volume 9, Book 92, Number 436:<p>Narrated Nafi:<p>Abdullah said, "The Prophet arranged for a horse race, and the prepared<br>horses were given less food for a few days before the race to win the race,<br>and were allowed to run from Al-Hafya to Thaniyat-al-Wada', and the<br>unprepared horses were allowed to run between Thaniyat-al-Wada' and the<br>mosque of Bani Zuraiq," 'Abdullah was one of those who participated in the<br>race.'<p><br>*****Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 56, Number 839:<p>Narrated Abu Huraira:<p>The Prophet said, "A horse may be kept for one of three purposes: for a man<br>it may be a source of reward; for another it may be a means of living; and<br>for a third it may be a burden (a source of committing sins). As for the one<br>for whom it is a source of reward, he is the one who keeps his horse for the<br>sake of Jihad in Allah's Cause; he ties it with a long rope on a pasture or<br>in a garden. So whatever its rope allows it to eat, will be regarded as good<br>rewardable deeds (for its owner). And if it breaks off its rope and jumps<br>over one or two hillocks, even its dung will be considered amongst his good<br>deeds. And if it passes by a river and drinks water from it, that will be<br>considered as good deeds for his benefit) even if he has had no intention of<br>watering it.<p>A horse is a shelter for the one who keeps it so that he may earn his living<br>honestly and takes it as a refuge to keep him from following illegal ways<br>(of<br>gaining money), and does not forget the rights of Allah (i.e. paying the<br>Zakat and allowing others to use it for Allah's Sake). But a horse is a<br>burden (and a source of committing sins for him who keeps it out of pride<br>and<br>pretense and with the intention of harming the Muslims."<p>The Prophet was asked about donkeys. He replied, "Nothing has been revealed<br>to be concerning them except this comprehensive Verse (which covers<br>everything) :--'Then whosoever has done good equal to the weight of an atom<br>(or a small ant), Shall see it (its reward) And whosoever has done evil<br>equal<br>to the weight of an atom (or a small ) ant), Shall see it (Its punishment)."<br>(99.7-8)<p><br>*****Bukhari, Volume 3, Book 40, Number 559:<p>Narrated Abu Huraira:<p>Allah's Apostle said, "Keeping horses may be a source of reward to some<br>(man), a shelter to another (i.e. means of earning one's living), or a<br>burden<br>to a third. He to whom the horse will be a source of reward is the one who<br>keeps it in Allah's Cause (prepare it for holy battles) and ties it by a<br>long<br>rope in a pasture (or a garden). He will get a reward equal to what its long<br>rope allows it to eat in the pasture or the garden, and if that horse<br>breaks its rope and crosses one or two hills, then all its foot-steps and<br>its<br>dung will be counted as good deeds for its owner; and if it passes by a<br>river and drinks from it, then that will also be regarded as a good deed for<br>its owner even if he has had no intention of watering it then.<p>Horses are a shelter from poverty to the second person who keeps horses for<br>earning his living so as not to ask others, and at the same time he gives<br>Allah's right (i.e. Zakat, from the wealth he earns through using them in<br>trading etc.,) and does not overburden them. He who keeps horses just out of<br>pride and for showing off and as a means of harming the Muslims, his horses<br>will be a source of sins to him." When Allah's Apostle was asked about<br>donkeys, he replied, "Nothing particular was revealed to me regarding<br>donkeys."<p><br>*****Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 56, Number 837:<p>Narrated Ibn Umar:<p>Allah's Apostle said, "There is always goodness in horses till the Day of<br>Resurrection. "<p><br>*****Muslim, Book 19, Number 4614:<p>Narrated Jabir ibn Abdullah:<p>"I saw that the Messenger of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) was twisting the<br>forelock of a horse with his fingers and was saying: (A great) benefit, i.e.<br>reward (for rearing them for Jihad) and spoils of war, has been tied to the<br>forelocks of horses until the Day of Judgment."

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<br>Racing horses purely for competion and entertainments during prophet SAW’s time and this day and age is different. Racing horses in this day and age are bred and trained to race at racecourses. Bets are placed on these horses and large purses are distributed to winners. Horse race betting is habit forming vice and lot of family lives are ruined by it. If you are in business of breeding, training and racing thoroughbred race horses then you must think twice. If you have hobby of breeding other types of horses for pleasure or selling this horses then it is a different matter.<p>Islamic Center of New England purchased 30+ acres of property in Sharon, MA. This property had a large barn where race horses from nearby track were boarded. Theses horses were kicked out before deed was passed. Islamic Center deemed income from these horses Haraam.<p>Racing Horses is not bad. But racing horses at race courses is immoral<p>

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Different eras require different criteria to be applied but that I guess is something not all Muslims understand.<p>Incidentally, MF, do you think using the internet for personal gain during office hours (without the consent of the employer) with not the slightest benefit or connection to one's paid employment is haraam? Kindly provide theological explanation for your answer please

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<br>I happen to own company and I can do anything which pleases me. I am what we call overhead in office.<p>

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Bhai sahab, You would never do anything that is not halal. My question was not meant to imply that you or anyone else is indulging in Haraam practices, I am simply curious as to how Islam categorises wasting time whilst paid to do something else. Do you have an opinion/answer?

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<br>Charging client for time not spent on job is haraam not only in Islam but most probably in all religion. Aren’t we diverging from the topic?<p>You could open a new topic, if you choose, say ‘Morality’. <p>

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Thank you very much for reminding to stay on the topic. I have a lot to learn still on netiquette; people on these boards never digress.<p>From the original post;<br>"A horse is a shelter for the one who keeps it so that he may earn his living honestly and takes it as a refuge to keep him from following illegal ways(of gaining money), and does not forget the rights of Allah i.e. paying the Zakat and allowing others to use it for Allah's Sake)."<p>Horse-racing, of course, was not an industry in the Prophet's time. Do you think it is an illegal way of gaining money? I understand there is horse-racing in Karachi as well. Ah well, what can Pakistan know anout Islam!

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<br>Horse racing where betting takes place is immoral. Period. If there is a racecourse in Karachi does not make it moral. There are gambling casino and Bars in many so called Muslim countries. That does not make it right either.<p>Few days back Horse owned by nephew of the King of S.A. won Kentucky Derby and that does not legitimize owning and racing horses for a practicing Muslim.<p><br>

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<br>"The Imam of the Muslims which the Nizari Ismailis adhere to has continued the Prophet's (PBUH) tradition in modern day. Mashallah"<p>Aga Khan is not Imaam of Muslims he is Imaam of Nizari Ismaili Muslims(?).<p>It was not Prophet SAW's tradition to breed and race Horses for betting purpose.<p>There is a difference in racing horse for enjoyment and for winning purse which comes from bets.<p>

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The Imam does not bet on his horses. He breeds them and races them.<p>Other ppl bet on the races and that is up to them.

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<br>So Imaam is providing means so other ppl. can bet on it. And what does he do with purse he wins? Some lunatic will say he give it to Charity. Charity from immoral gains is also not Halaal.<p>

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<br>And why does he go to house of Immorality (Racecourse)?<p><p>

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<br>I did not know Nizari took lessons from br. qiyam!<p>

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Are we now discussing morality or religion (subtle difference) ?<br>"So Imaam is providing means so other ppl. can bet on it." <br>Is he providing the means or is the race-course/ bookie providing the means (a moot point) ?<p>So if a bookie provides odds that Islam will be wiped out in 50 years, does that make Islam a provider and therefore immoral or have I lost the plot completely?

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<br>Would it be correct to say that:<p>I only own the bar. Other ppl. do drinking<p>I only own the casino. Other ppl. do gambling.<p>I only own the motel. Only other ppl rent rooms from me by hour.<p>

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<br>"So if a bookie provides odds that Islam will be wiped out in 50 years"<p>Dream on Buddy<p>

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Dear MuslimFirst,<br>"I did not know Nizari took lessons from br. qiyam!"<p>---Please clarify this statement.

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When it comes to fasting, praying like the prophet did, haj, these are all 7th century customs, when it comes to racing horses, the Imam is keeping alive the tradition of the prophet (pbuh).<p>Hypocrisy - thou are now challenged by the Ismaili.

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Yes, the Imam keeps alive the tradition of the Prophet by applying it to MODERN times. <p>The problem is that you guys do not apply the essence of the Sunna to modern times, therefore you are all backwards and ignorant.

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========================================<br>"So if a bookie provides odds that Islam will be wiped out in 50 years"<br>Dream on Buddy<br>===========================================<p>Have you no answer to the question? Do I need to re-phrase it? I was not suggesting Islam was going to be wiped out in 50 years. With such defenders as yourself, who has a chance of harming Islam?<p>All I want to know is whether Islam considers the subject of a bet as immoral as the gambler?

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"Hypocrisy - thou are now challenged by the Ismaili."<p><br>My!My! the semi-fertilised has progressed from comics to Shakespeare in a day!

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"Charity from immoral gains is also not Halaal."<p>A very sweeping statement. Any aya or hadith to support that?

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"The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: <p>If one enters a horse with two others<br>when he is not certain that it cannot be beaten, it is not gambling; <p>but when one enters a horse with two others when he is certain it cannot be beaten,<br>it is gambling."<p>Hey Wahhabis, chew on this for a while.<br>

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From the horses own mouth... Is Muslim First trying to convey that every dollar earned is halaal and or from an halaal source? I very much doubt it. The same people who fund and run the Islamic Saudi Kingdom support racing horses at race tracks? These same people who give millions and billions of dollars to to rebuild Arabia, the Holy Mosque in Mecca, and support the hypocrites who perform Hajj/Umrah, pray and to conduct Dawah activities. So on one hand, they are tied to some Haraam activities, but on the contrary are supporting noble Halaal causes, including the Shariah Sunnah Sunni Wahabbis, Jihadis, and Talabanis. Furthermore, the same Saudi Kingdom has earned their own bread (money) from 'kafirun' sources by trading with so called 'infadels' (Americans, Israelis, non-Muslims, etc. etc.). They like mocking these so called 'infadels' and have deemed them haraam, but on the other hand, it's ok to earn money from them (haraam sources).<p>>>><br>Muslim First:<p>"Would it be correct to say that:<p>I only own the bar. Other ppl. do drinking<p>I only own the casino. Other ppl. do gambling.<p>I only own the motel. Only other ppl rent rooms from me by hour.<p>Few days back Horse owned by nephew of the King of S.A. won Kentucky Derby and that does not legitimize owning and racing horses for a practicing Muslim"<br>

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<br>Good practicing Muslim should do his utmost to earn Halaal $. If somebody else is not doing it that does not give him excuse to follow the Crowd.<p>"If one enters a horse with two others<br>when he is not certain that it cannot bebeaten, it is not gambling; <p>but when one enters a horse with two others when he is certain it cannot be beaten,it is gambling."<p>Where refernce to betting in this Hadith?<p>May be prophet SAW is saying about 'game of Chance'<p>I made my point clear. Racing Horses in Racecourse is Haraam as far as I am concerned.<p>Let me give example of Racing horses for fun.<p>When I was growing up we used to go to my village on Eid Day. Village ppl. will bring their Horses and "Bel Gadis (Bullock Cart)" to Eid Gah (Eid prayer place outside the town, Only used for two eid Namaaz). There Before and after prayers they would race their horses and "Baldhia Gadi'(Bullock Cart) just for fun and bragging rights of owning Fastes Horse or Srong and fast Bullocks. This kind of racing Prophet SAW probably enjoyed.<p><p><p>

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Muslim First<p>"I made my point clear. Racing Horses in Racecourse is Haraam as far as I am concerned."<p>Thank you for clarifying, With your vast knowledge of Sunnah and access to eminent scientists and scholars, it is not easy to distinguish your opinion from your recounting of hadith. Now that you state "as far as I am concerned", we need research ahadith to confirm racecourse is haraam. Is your statement "Charity from immoral gains is also not Halaal."" also a personal view or Sunnah?

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<br>Charity from Haraam sources cold be treated as answer below<br>************************<p>Link:-http://islam.tc/ask-imam/view.php?q=2136<p>Is it permissable to use money one has recieved in a haram mannner such as interest, donate it to the poor without having any intention to get an reward<p>Answer:- Interest monies must be given to the poor and needy who are eligible to <br>accept Zakaat without the intention of reward. However, interest received <br>from government institutes, eg. post office could be used to offset <br>government taxes. Interest received from private banks cannot be used to <br>offset taxes. It may be used to offset interest charged from the same bank. <p>and Allah Ta'ala Knows Best <p>Mufti Ebrahim Desai <br>FATWA DEPT. <p><br>

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MF<br>Even your living(domicile) in the West is Haraam! ditto for the Kothari bohras. <p>You all should seek 'shelter' in the islamic state of saudia where they will greet you all with open arms and lovingly call you all - MISHKINS.<br>

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"Charity from immoral gains is also not Halaal."" <p>"Interest monies must be given to the poor and needy who are eligible to accept Zakaat without the intention of reward. "<p>I read the second statement as saying as long as you do not have any intention to get an reward, it is NOT haraam to give immoral earnings to charity; the earnings themselves may be haraam but the charity is not.<p>Do you still stand by your statement that charity from immoral gains is not halaal?<p>

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Dear Hafeez,<br>where is written that muslims must reside in an islamic state?