Islam the Perfect religion

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I have heard it so many times- Islam is the perfect religion. As our economics master used to say: "given that Allah had 4 attempts at it (Abraham, Moses & Jesus before Muhammad), it bloody well had to be perfect"<p>How perfect is Islam? If this board is anything to go by, its adherents can't even decide what is halaal and what is haram; they cannot agree whether the Qur'an has been tampered with or not. And where do they go to get answers to difficult questions? To internet mullahs! They would be better off with a copy of Websters, Oxford Arabic-English dictionary and a few sharp pencils.<p>As for tolerance, inclusiveness and such other grand terms, one only needs to read the language of the posters to realise what a load of ***** that is. If this is perfection then give us the imperfect Buddhism, Judaism etc. anyday.

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Islam is indeed perfect. I have found it very difficult to identify anything in Islam that is not perfect. All sects are perfect, for instance. One of the Ismaili concept is that of infallibility of Imam. Now, can you think of anything in that that is not perfect.<p>Take any other aspect of Islam and you will see it is perfect. If Muslims are not tolerant, then it is perfect intolerance and so on.<p>So please, let us not engage in this futile debate. Everything is perfect in Islam.

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"many a true word..."

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INFALLIBLE Imam<p>or<p>INFALLIBLE Sunnah/Book of SIX<p>Your choice!

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Islam is perfect, Muslims are not.<p>Islam was perfected after Propet gave declared Ali as his successor. <p>But most ignored this so their Islam cannot be perfect.

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This is for the intellectual - George Bernard Shaw has said that Islam is the best religion and Muslims the worst followers.<p>For intellectuals though it is difficult to understand.<p>And here, I give you the imperfect Judaism and Buddhism, please take it and go.<p>Infact look at the names of these religions JudaISM, DuddhISM, HinduISM, these are not religions, if these are then so is anajmISM. But then again it is not easy for intellectuals to understand.

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Nizari,<p>"Islam was perfected after Propet gave declared Ali as his successor. <p>Have you got any supporting verses or hadiths? Or will you need to resort to quotes from Spielberg or someone?

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Here is another thing, Islam may be the worst religion, it may treat non-believers very harshly and the believers not very well but since it is the only true religion, I don't have a choice.

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No brother baburao, Nizaris and their faith needs no support from dead authors or two-bit movie stars etc. Have you ever wondered why some people are so jealous of what they would like to dismiss as a joke?

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Anajmi, I discern a difference between "best" and "perfect". It could be best without being perfect and vice versa. It depends on your definitions of the two words.<p>Nizari says, "Islam is perfect but Muslims are not." I find that statement logically and intellectually very unsatisfying.<p><br>Can there be Islam (past, present or future) without Muslims? For Islam to be perfect, all Muslims have to be perfect. Infallible, don't you think?<p>So for Islam to be perfect, we can assume that only the infallibles are Muslims. The rest are not really Muslims at all.

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There is need for an infallible Imam to be guide the Muslims to the right path.<p>36:12 – “And We have VESTED EVERYTHING in the MANIFEST IMAM - imamin mubeenin”<p>Despite all that has happened, the Ismailis have never been without the guidance of the infallible Imam. <p>That is why our community has been able to apply Islam to the changing times and why our tariqua has survived despite heavy persecution and danger.

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Babu<p>just for your sake:<p>AHMAD IBN HANBAL-MUSNAD AL ANSAAR-HADEETH #20596<br>I am leaving in your midst TWO Caliphs:<br>1. the BOOK OF ALLAH which is a ROPE <br> extending from the heavens to the earth of <br>what is in the heavens to the earth <br> 2. And MY PROGENY, MY AHLUL-BAYT.<br>THESE TWO WILL NEVER SEPARATE UNTIL THEY <br>REACH ME AT THE POND (HAWD).<br>AHMAD IBN HANBAL-MUSNAD AL KUFIYYEEN- HADEETH #18464<br>SO HOLD ON TO THE BOOK OF ALLAH AND HOLD FAST TO IT. THEN HE ENCOURAGED US ABOUT THE BOOK OF ALLAH .<br>AND HE EMPHASIZED ON IT HE SAID “AND MY AHLUL-BAYT”<br>”I REMIND YOU CONCERNING MY AHLUL-BAYT.”<br>”I REMIND YOU CONCERNING MY AHLUL-BAYT.” <br>”I REMIND YOU CONCERNING MY AHLUL-BAYT.”<br>THEY ARE THE CHILDREN OF 'ALI,<p>Nasa-i has recorded a tradition related by A-ishah bint Sad, who says that she heard her father saying that on the day of Ghadir he heard the Holy Prophet delivering a sermon while holding the hand of Ali.<p>He praised and eulogised Allah and then he said: "O MY PEOPLE! I AM YOUR MASTER." "TRUE IT IS, O MESSENGER OF ALLAH," THEY RESPONDED.<p>Then he raised the hand of Ali and said: <p>"HE IS MY WALI, AND HE WILL REPAY MY DEBTS. I AM A FRIEND OF HIM WHO LOVES HIM AND AN ENEMY OF HIM WHO HATES HIM."<p>"O MEN AND WOMEN! ALLAH IS MY MAWLA (LORD-MASTER). I AM THE MAWLA OF THE FAITHFULS. I HAVE A CLEAR AUTHORITY OVER THEIR SOULS, AND OF WHOMSOEVER I AM THE MAWLA (THIS) ALI IS HIS MAWLA. O ALLAH! LOVE HIM WHO LOVES ALI, HATE HIM WHO HATES ALI."<p>After this declaration, the following was revealed: <p>“THIS DAY HAVE I PERFECTED FOR YOU YOUR RELIGION AND COMPLETED MY FAVOUR ON YOU AND CHOSEN FOR YOU ISLAM AS YOUR RELIGION”<br> <br>HOLY QURAN 5:3<p>

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The Prophet left Ali and the Imamat to safeguard Islam.

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baburao,<p>You are probably not old enough to remember but in the 70s soccer and rugby used to be differentiated as one being a game for hooloigans played by gentlemen and the other a gentleman's game played by hooligans. You must not confuse the game with the players. Islam is indeed perfect; it is a natural religion. And Muhammad (SAW) was the perfect example; not only does the Qur'an extol his virtues but whenever anyone draws up a list of the most influential people in history his name is always at the top either in first place or not far below.<p>I have not had the good fortune (or as believers in Karmic laws would say I erred in the past life)to be born into Islam but I do believe Guru Nanak modelled his creed on Islam. In fact Guru Nanak's teachings were more Islamic than the Islam of the Moguls!<p>But I agree that the adherents, if indeed you can call them that, are far from perfect. The vitriol, the intolerance that you find on these boards are a real disgrace; even sites like answering islam exercise more dignity.<p>Brothers why are you bringing such a great faith into disrepute? Nizaris, do you really need to engage in these exchanges. Thanks to akbar mehrally we all have an insight into the way your community operates: I do not believe you have any authority to propogate your faith in this manner - it falls within the jurisdiction of ITREB.<p>And anajmi, will you always display intolerance towards any sect that does not share your interpretation but never denies the Tawheed of Allah? <p>Peace to you all - this is definitely my final post as I cannot bear to read your posts anymore.

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"Islam is the best religion, with the worst followers."<p> -- George Bernard Shaw

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Gursevak,<p>Here are some excerpts from a conversation that I had with an Ismaili.<p>anajmi posted 05-12-2002 04:39 PM ET (US) <br>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>Hafeez,<br>I accept everything you say. I am the biggest idiot on this board fighting with Ismailis when I should have been diverting my energy to fighting the enemies of Islam who have revealed themselves on this board. Everybody who believes in Allah and the prophet will one day be on the true path.<p>What is more important however is that we, who believe in Allah and his prophet join our hands in fighting those who want to extinguish the flame of Islam.<p>Tell me brother, are you with me in fighting for the sake of Islam?<br> <br>hafeez posted 05-12-2002 04:45 PM ET (US) <br>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>Yes! You R an IDIOT!<br>And - no - you do not represent Islam! <p><br>anajmi posted 05-12-2002 04:56 PM ET (US) <br>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>Thank you brother.<br>I think you have proven, beyond any doubt, as to who represents Islam and who doesn't.<p>May Allah bless us all.<br> <br>hafeez posted 05-12-2002 05:36 PM ET (US) <br>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>Go see a shrink and take MF (and his hundred and one aliases) with you<br>All of a sudden the purveyor of HATE & SLANDER wants to be something else! Friggin Joke of the Day!<br> <br>anajmi posted 05-12-2002 06:23 PM ET (US) <br>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>thank you once again brother. you have provided enough proof of your representations in a day, and we all have understood. But if you want to provide more proof, that is ok with me. <br>anajmi posted 05-12-2002 06:34 PM ET (US) <br>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>See, it's all about character, I demonstrated mine and you demonstrated yours. <p><br>This will tell you about my intolerance towards others. I did not start the trouble with you and I did not start the trouble with bhajiya, I did not start the trouble with any of the Ismailis. I just tried to end it. Cause as I said I am not a perfect Muslim and my response may not represent that of a perfect Muslim.