Imam from Seed

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qiyam,<p>The 14 infallibles according to ithna-Asharis:<br> <br> The Fourteen Ma'soomeen<p>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------<p>Prophet Muhammad Ar-Rasool (PBUH&HF) <br>Imam Ali Al-Ameeril Mo'mineen (AS) <br>Hazrat Fatima Az-Zahra (AS) <br>Imam Hasan Al-Mujtaba (AS) <br>Imam Husain As-Shaheed (AS) <br>Imam Zain-ul-Abideeen (AS) <br>Imam Muhammad Al-Baqir (AS) <br>Imam Ja'far As-Saadiq (AS) <br>Imam Musa Al-Kazim (AS) <br>Imam Ali Ar-Reza (AS) <br>Imam Muhammad At-Taqi (AS) <br>Imam Ali An-Naqi (AS) <br>Imam Hasan Al-Askari (AS) <br>Imam Muhammad Al-Mahdi (AS) <p>Do you see Ismail in the list? Why not if Muza Kazim recognised him as Imam? As far as I am aware the twelvers claim that Ismail had been the intended successor but as he died before his father, the Imamat went to Musa Kazim.<p>Although it probably has no bearing on what this thread started of with, I detect a distinct lack of understanding each other's beliefs between the various Shia sects.

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What is wrong with believing in Ram and Krishna?<br>These men existed and proof is the Hindu Scriptures. <br>What you see is the Ismaili Islam is the KEY to all religions.<br>The way i see it:<br>The Hindus' were Ismaili Muslims at a time, but they went astray and turned to more idolistic ways.<br>The Jews were Ismaili Muslims but they rejected their own Messiah and went astray.<br>The Christians were Ismaili Muslims but they were led astray the by Paul and others.<br>The Sunni's were Ismaili Muslims but they rejected the Imamat of Hazrat Ali and went astray.<br>The Twelvers were Ismaili Muslims but they followed Musa Kazim instead of Ismail and went astray.<br>The Bohras were Ismaili Muslims but they followed Mustali instead of Imam Nizar and they went astray.<br>The Hindu's are waiting for their 10th Avatar.<br>The Jews are waiting for their Messiah.<br>The Christians are waiting for Jesus.<br>The Sunnis are waiting for Jesus and Imam Mahdi to somehow pop up and save them.<br>The Twelvers are waiting for Imam Mahdi to come out of his 1200 year hibernation.<br>The Bohra's are waiting for their Imam to come out of his 800 hiding.<br>THE ISMAILIS AREN'T WAITING FOR ANYONE! WE HAVE A PRESENT, LIVING IMAM, AND THATS ALL THEIR IS TOO IT.<p>

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The above was response to Muslim First's comments.

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<br>Nizari<p>Since you are all se then why are you in argument here brother<p>Shah jo deedar<p>

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<br>African Bush men were Ismaili Muslim one time but they went astray and became pagan.<p>

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I dont really know what u mean by your last comment.<br>I guess it shows your stupidity<br>

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<br>So you dont want to claim 'African Bushman" as strayed Ismaili Muslims<p>

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Muslim First,<p>Seems like you still want to discuss and insult any madhab that does not follow your principles. If you really want to engage in comparisons, please state your intentions and I will start a new post on something like "Were the Companions comedians?" or "What do we learn from ahadith?" I have quite a collection of "gems" from Bukhari.<p>So brothers MF, Nizari, Gora etc. please stop this pointless comparison or be prepared to have your Deen held in ridicule by all non-Muslims.<p>Peace

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<br>Ex<p>I am going to shut-up. See that will make differnce to Aga Khani's.<p>Have a nice Jummah<p>Vasalaam<p>

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Well, every other religion has hope as they are waiting for someone who will come and save the world. The ismailis can't even do that. They've been having an Imam during whose time the world has been in a bigger misery than before and they are not going to get anyone better than him.<p>I feel sorry for you guys.

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No anajmi, all you guys have left is hope.<br>You have lost everything else, so you have your naive belief that someone is gonna come save you.<p>Nowhere does it say in the Quran that a saviour will come and save. You guys put yourselves in the gutter, and you will have to get yourself out.

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Butthead,<p>Nowhere in the quran does it say that your gambling Imam is the true Imam.<p>In your case you won't even be able to help yourself out of the gutter, cause you imam is right there with you.

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You wahhabs are in the gutter. <br>We are the most well-off, well-educated, Muslim community.<br>What are you talking about?<br>

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Well, actually I was talking about the spiritual gutter. Batini gutter if you know what I mean. But since it is batini you won't.

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anajmi<p>As stated in the other thread - here's your opportunity to prove that your are not a VERIFIABLE moron:<p>Prove what you said /written above!<p>I have already proved many a times that you - a bootlicker of the wahabis & the creed of wahabiyya are the lowest of the low:<br>i) spiritually;<br>ii)economically;<br>iii)socially;<br>iv)and in all other matters.<p>All you have going for you is arrogance that comes from the free handout from the wahabis to keep the Fitna going.<br>

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Beavis,<p>See, it is batini gutter so I am not required to prove anything. It is batini see, the living Imam came into my dreams yesterday and showed me all the ismailis lying in the gutter.<p>It cannot be proven since it is batini, and I question your faith in your Imam now, since it was he who told me all this in a dream.

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anajmi,<p>Does it say in the Qur'an anywhere that the sihah sittah is the best guide, the "Imam", after the Prophet? Why do the Sunnis follow books whose authenticity can be debated endlessly? Let the Ismailis follow whoever they want to.<p>Dusron pe pathar phaknese pahele apne girabanme zara jankh ke dekhon.<p>Why don't you, your supporters and opponents address issues of concern to the wider Islamic community? If you want to abuse each other I can provide a lot of ammo (and hope Baburao will return to assist me)<p>Gursevak