Another Hunting Excursion

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alsojinxed
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Another Hunting Excursion

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Unread post by alsojinxed » Wed Sep 08, 2004 2:28 am

The Syedna and his band of merry men are to go on another Hunting Trip in Tanzania this coming week. Nice to know where his priorities lie.

As a renowned religious and shiah figure-head he has, with great savvy, steered clear of speaking out against recent atrocities.

Let's hope he attains a greater level of spirituality slaughtering animals.

Im sure the leapoards, lions and impala's will attain much sawaa bafter being murdered by the sultan of bohras. Maybe, on the sawab scale, it will be on par with a kadambosi. What lucky beasts!

observer
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Re: Another Hunting Excursion

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Unread post by observer » Wed Sep 08, 2004 11:09 pm

You mean a trip to buy diamonds, tanzanite from the interior and coverting money into gems for shipment to Dubai.

mbohra
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Re: Another Hunting Excursion

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Unread post by mbohra » Thu Sep 16, 2004 11:21 pm

HH Aqa Moula Burhanuddin SHIKARI

From: Kothari's Websites Malumaat.com; Mumineen.org

Badaas Salaam Il-jaleel,
today after magrib Isha namaz there was matam
majlis.Mumineen of Mombasa had gathered at Burhani
Masjid where 1414 and 1416 ashara mubraka had taken place. Mumineen did purjosh matam in anticipation of Aqa Moula's visit to Mombasa.Our Amilsaheb JanabYusufbhaisaheb Vaziri gave Bushra that Aqa Moula T.U.S. had killed male lion in Tanzania and in khushiBurhani Guards held fire works display outside the masjid facing the sea.Mumineen all in one voice shouted nare takbir Allahu Akber.Children and all were delighted.Therafter sherbat was served to all mumineen.May Allah Subanahu grant our Shafiqbawasaheb long and healthy life ta Qayamaat. Ameen.

Abde Syedna T.U.S
Mustafa Ezzi
Mombasa.

abcd
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Re: Another Hunting Excursion

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Unread post by abcd » Fri Sep 17, 2004 6:38 am

I am pasting below an e-mail received by my friend, posted by dawoodi-bohras@mumineen.org and a write-up appeared at the site of Burhani Foundation. (Owned by Dawat – e - Hadiya) I request all the mumenins to comments on this without any prejudicing.
Wasalam

Baadas Salaam
Mumineen, Mabruk Mabruk Mabruk!

We just made a call to Dar es Salaam where we were given the Bushra that Aqa
Moula TUS has done shikaar of a Lion.
This was Aqa Moula's TUS ummeed mubarak for a while now and has come to
fruition.
Alhamdolillah!

We pray that Allah Ta'ala brings Aqa Moula's TUS every ummeed to fruition,
and in particular the ummeed of Zarih mubarak of Rasulullah S.A.W and
Moulatena Fatema S.A in Madinah.
Ameen
May Allah Ta'ala grant Aqa Moula TUS a long life ta qayaamat with sehato
aafiyat.
AMEEN!

Shukran

Amate Syedna TUS
Habiba Mulla Shabbirhussein Janoowalla
http://www.janoowalla.com
Altamonte Springs (Orlando). FL. USA
This is the article found at http://www.burhani.com/tiger/index.htm
There are many such articles on anti hunting on this site.
The tiger has always been portrayed in recent times as a stuffed exhibit to grace the drawing rooms of the wealthy. Many stories and films also project heroism as killing a tiger. However not very long ago, tigers were revered and cults of the tiger had independently evolved in different tribes that lived in proximity to the tiger's habitat. The majesty of the tiger and its unrivalled sway over the jungle were almost deified by these populations. Man sought to imbibe in him the valor and the magnanimity of the tiger rather than mercilessly hunt him down.
The scum of civilization
The march of progress, however led to the misplaced notion that nature can be enslaved and harnessed indiscriminately and indefinitely for the benefit of man. This has eventually been proved wrong. Prosperity breeds population. This in turn poses increased demands on our resources. More and more forests are cut down to pave the way for cultivation. The village comes closer to the tiger's domain. The tiger is blamed for this and an excuse is found to kill it.

mbohra
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Re: Another Hunting Excursion

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Unread post by mbohra » Fri Sep 17, 2004 12:18 pm

There is an African proverb meant for hypocrites"

"An elephant has two sets of teeth: one set to chew and the other to show off"

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Re: Another Hunting Excursion

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Unread post by khan19922001 » Sat Sep 18, 2004 6:42 am

I could not believe what I have just read on this topic. Moula has killed a lion and the community is rejoicing as though we have attained nirvana. How low can we stoop??

Instead ogf killing animals, he should spend more time in the economic welfare of his community, which is one of the most backward, (spritually and economically) communities.

saif
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Re: Another Hunting Excursion

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Unread post by saif » Sat Sep 18, 2004 5:49 pm

"Practice What You Preach"

You can know all the scriptures,
Have all the Quraan you can reach,
But when push comes to shove
Do you practice what you preach?

Anyone can go to Masjid
And collapse on the floor,
But when Judgment Day comes
Will you be at Heaven's door?

You can have the biggest of fits
And say the Holy Imam passed through,
But is that really reflected
In the things you do?

You can lecture others
About the wrong things they do,
But before you look at others
You need to look at you.

You can damn all the sinners
Tell them they're headed south,
But what have you done lately
Besides run your mouth?

You can call yourself a Muslim
Spend all your days at Masjid,
But while you are praising His name,
Have you been doing the Allah's work?

You can boast of good deeds
To show us the spirit is within
But why show it to us?
You should show it to Him!

You can memorize the Qraan
Know it from front to back,
But you don't use it to regulate others
Regulate how you act!

Take a good look at yourself
Not at what others do,
Because when the Prophet comes to get his children ...
Will He be coming for you too?

--Author Unknown

E.G. http://www.burhani.com/tiger/index.htm
and
Aqa Moulas's killing of a lion for massaging his and Kothar's own ego and jollies and as Kothar's above website called this, merciless killers - THE SCUM OF CIVILIZATION."

"The majesty of the tiger and its unrivalled sway over the jungle were almost deified by these populations. Man sought to imbibe in him the valor and the magnanimity of the tiger rather than mercilessly hunt him down.

The scum of civilization

The march of progress, however led to the misplaced notion that nature can be enslaved and harnessed indiscriminately and indefinitely for the benefit of man. This has eventually been proved wrong. Prosperity breeds population. This in turn poses increased demands on our resources. More and more forests are cut down to pave the way for cultivation. The village comes closer to the tiger's domain. The tiger is blamed for this and an excuse is found to kill it."

Sajid Zafar
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Re: Another Hunting Excursion

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Unread post by Sajid Zafar » Sat Sep 18, 2004 10:38 pm

Burhanuddin is a "FATAMI KALIFA", all his off springs are "SHAHZADA & SHAHZADIS", and so we all Dawoodi Bohras are his "RAEET". So SHAH does all what other SHAHs complacent to do.

But the irony of the fact is he is not reading, what is written on the wall.

His days are numbered beyond any doubt.

Just wait and watch.

SAJJAD
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Re: Another Hunting Excursion

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Unread post by SAJJAD » Mon Sep 20, 2004 3:36 am

It is hard for me to see Burhanuddin engaging in the act of shooting down a lion. If we haven't forgotten, killing a lion involves great precision, bravery, and skill that very few can master. Does Burhanuddin fit this profile? It surprises me that someone like Burhanuddin who can't even seem to get his head up from his neck, much less shoot down a lion, be praised for something so great and honorable (only in the minds of Bohras).

I assure you that TUS did not shoot a lion down like the idiotic Bohras praise him for doing.

How can Burhanuddin commission someone to kill a lion? If we haven't forgotten the lion is on the verge of extinction due to poachers like Burhanuddin's cult. If I were a member of the Dar-Es-Salaam government I would prosecute Burhanuddin and his clan to the full extent of the law for shooting down an endangered species.

It shocks me that in spite of the high level of educated Bohras in the community, we still ridicule ourselves in the front of the entire world by praising a man who has supposedly shot a helpless and innocent animal. These people throw a party complete with khushi ni majlis, sherbat, mataam, and char mithas & char kharas. Instead, we should penalize Burhanuddin for erasing a vital mark of mother nature.

abcd
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Re: Another Hunting Excursion

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Unread post by abcd » Mon Sep 20, 2004 8:35 am

It is really surprising that sayedna is glorifying his misdeed and without giving any thought the bohras are following. They should at least think that why sayedna on one hand giving permission to Burhani Foundation to write that the killing of tiger and other animals are against the mankind and at other hand he himself is killing.

The animals and natures lover should take this matter seriously and they should show their anguish against this lion killing when sayedna comes to India or any other parts of the world. Only this will prevent further killing of animals by sayedna or his family.

Those who have email addresses of animal lovers’ associations should publish it in this forum and we all should inform them about this incident all over the world so that this cruelty will not be repeated again.

Aleem
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Re: Another Hunting Excursion

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Unread post by Aleem » Thu Sep 23, 2004 3:36 am

Sajjad:

He probably did 'pull the trigger'. What these goones (poachers) do in Tanzania is abosultely drug an animal the lion preys on. The lion feeds of it, gets doped itself on the poisoned flesh of its prey. Then it's easy pickings for happy holiday hunters like our burhanuddin.

Some goonda chamcha or hunt guide probably lined up the drugged lion in a rifles sights and ev'ones favourite TUS must have lifted his arm and clicked on the trigger with his forefinger. - Im sire it was a display of halaal slaughter

Whatevert the case, its bloody ridiuculous..... Hunting an animal I can accept providing the hunted is consumed for food/ clothing-out of neccesity. This was common practice during the time of the prophet and throughout history.

The lion was pure sport - what is he going to do with it? - Definetely not eat the meat? Absolutely Sweet F.A.

Perhaps it will be sent to a taxadermist and then displayed outside Saifee Mahal. All budding TUS enthusiasts can then go and do purjoosh mataam and ziarat on the lion that Burhanuddin expelled from God's earth.

humble_servant_us
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Re: Another Hunting Excursion

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Unread post by humble_servant_us » Thu Sep 23, 2004 4:48 am

peace be upon u all..

What does the shariat as per Bohra school of thought say abt hunting?
Is it permisible?
if yes which animals and which not..

Lets discuss this first.

hs

mbohra
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Re: Another Hunting Excursion

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Unread post by mbohra » Fri Sep 24, 2004 2:49 am

From to-day's Daily Nation (Sep 24, 2004)of Nairobi, Kenya:

The spiritual leader of the Dawoodi Bohra community arrived in Mombasa, yesterday.

Among those who were at Moi International Airport to receive His Holiness Dr Syedna Mohamed Burhanuddin, was Mayor Taib Ali Taib, Likoni MP Suleiman Shakombo and Livestock Development and Fisheries minister Joseph Munyao.
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The Minister of Livestock Development was there to ensure that the "sheeps'" wool had grown back well and enough to be sheared by the Kothar's "sheep or Gheta's" shearer - who makes sure that his regular and incessant visit here is punctual and expedient enough to get the maximum benefit from his flock (not to his flock)!

The Fisheries Minister was there to ensure that the Kothar's "fishermen" had enough sharp hooks and bait to attract, seduce, solicit and catch enough Big Bohra Fish so that they do not get away until the next visit.

Well, the mayor, who is a lawyer and a businessman was there to ensure that his partners in crime are well-looked after and their mutual palms are well greased or lubricated!.; and if need be defended in the Court of Public Perception.

Who cares about the Allah's Court of Final Day of Judgement?

mbohra
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Re: Another Hunting Excursion

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Unread post by mbohra » Sun Sep 26, 2004 5:02 am

From To-days edition of East African Standard:
Mombasa mayor hospitalised:

By Athman Amran

This is the Mayor who went to receive Aqa Moula when he arrived in Mombasa:

Is this a Mojizo or what? Perhaps the Mayor consumed Teen Kharas, Teen Mithas and then he got nearly Khalaas! Will Aqa Moula now visit him for Shifa?

Mombasa Mayor Taib Ali Taib was yesterday admitted at the Coast General Hospital in what is suspected to be food poisoning.

Taib was admitted at around 11 am after complaining of severe stomach pains for the last three days.

Writhing in pain, the mayor was able to talk to the journalists when they visited him at the hospital.

“The right side of my stomach has been aching for the last three days but it became worse today (yesterday),” Taib said from his hospital bed. “The doctor decided to admit me when I arrived here.”

He said he suspected it could be food poisoning as he has been eating out at functions lately, but said he was waiting for the results of a medical examination.

Family members, friends and Mombasa City Council employees flocked the hospital on receiving news.

mbohra
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Re: Another Hunting Excursion

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Unread post by mbohra » Sun Sep 26, 2004 5:15 am

Sorry, the first paragraph in my previous post was inadvertently transposed. It is NOT part of the East African Standard Reporat.

Is this a Mojizo or what? Perhaps the Mayor consumed Teen Kharas, Teen Mithas and then he got nearly Khalaas! Will Aqa Moula now visit him for Shifa?

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From To-days edition of East African Standard:
Mombasa mayor hospitalised:

By Athman Amran

This is the Mayor who went to receive Aqa Moula when he arrived in Mombasa:

Mombasa Mayor Taib Ali Taib was yesterday admitted at the Coast General Hospital in what is suspected to be food poisoning.

Taib was admitted at around 11 am after complaining of severe stomach pains for the last three days.

Writhing in pain, the mayor was able to talk to the journalists when they visited him at the hospital.

“The right side of my stomach has been aching for the last three days but it became worse today (yesterday),” Taib said from his hospital bed. “The doctor decided to admit me when I arrived here.”

He said he suspected it could be food poisoning as he has been eating out at functions lately, but said he was waiting for the results of a medical examination.

Family members, friends and Mombasa City Council employees flocked the hospital on receiving news

Sajid Zafar
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Re: Another Hunting Excursion

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Unread post by Sajid Zafar » Sun Sep 26, 2004 3:57 pm

Dear Br. Sajjad:

It doesn’t make any difference whether Burhanuddin shot the line or some body else intoxicated, and shot the lion. Intentions are counted not only acts. I have seen the photograph of Burhanuddin’s lion hunting expedition in which he is posing besides the dead body of lion. A person can fall to any limit, sometime beyond immiginations. But one can establish his/her character on the basis of his/her acts and intentions.

Sham and curse on those who kills (or pretend to kill) innocent and beautiful creatures of nature and still calls themselves servants of god. Now one can understand what kind of feeling they keep inside heart for fellow human beings.

But don’t forget, they have to answer their lord one day for all their sins and such day is not far. Whether they are committing sins against innocent animals or against their fellow human beings!

Aftab
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Re: Another Hunting Excursion

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Unread post by Aftab » Sun Sep 26, 2004 8:25 pm

Aqa moula goes hunting and arrives at the game site. Shababis, Kababis and Chamachs are in great panic as no animals were in sight and aqa moula was suposed to go shooting. One shababi stood up and calmed every one that no body should worry as moula is gaib na jannar and a mojizo will happen.

Suddenly, late in the night there was big noises came from the game park. Evey body was baffeled and ran to aqamoula what is this all about.

Moula replied that the animals are performing mataam as the lions said that they want to attain shahadat first, the elephants want shahadat first and so do the rest of the animals.

Aleem
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Re: Another Hunting Excursion

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Unread post by Aleem » Sun Oct 03, 2004 1:53 am

About 5 days earlier there were several photos on the maulumaat.com website of the syedna standing over a bloodied lion - posing with rifle in hand.

these have been removed. any ideas as to why?

I think they would be interesting to send to the Times of India or mumbai samachar

Shockeed and Awed
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Re: Another Hunting Excursion

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Unread post by Shockeed and Awed » Mon Oct 11, 2004 6:26 am

<img src="http://malumaat.com/akhbar1425/daressalam/shikar.html" alt=" - " />

login: raudat
password: tahera

Look at this site. Terrible - Our so called holy leaders kills animals for pure sport and also condones the use of guns and weapons.

I am ashamed to consider myself bohra if this is what our leader has become.

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Re: Another Hunting Excursion

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Unread post by Shockeed and Awed » Mon Oct 11, 2004 6:27 am


Anwar
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Re: Another Hunting Excursion

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Unread post by Anwar » Mon Oct 11, 2004 7:18 pm

can somebody please explain what this means?"May Allah grant Aqa Maula (TUS) sehat afiyat malabis fakhera till roze Qayamat – Ameen." as reported. The report, goes on to say,"Maula also shot a buffalo and a water buck for trophies." Has this old man gone crazy or has he nothing else to do than collect trophies? and whom is he going to impress, his flock of sheep, sorry his flock of donkeys? Where is Br Qiyam and this mumin 110 and other abdes, it definately would be interesting to read your views. Can'Anwart you share it with us?

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Re: Another Hunting Excursion

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Unread post by porus » Mon Oct 11, 2004 9:58 pm

Originally posted by Anwar:
can somebody please explain what this means?"May Allah grant Aqa Maula (TUS) sehat afiyat malaabis fakhera till roze Qayamat – Ameen." as reported......
Both 'sehat' and 'afiyat' mean the same thing. They mean good health.
'malabis fakhera' means elegant clothes.

So, May Allah grant Aqa Moula (TUS) good health (and good health) and elegant clothes(?) till the Day of Judgement.

Using two words meaning the same is an artifice for emphasis. But Bohras also do something dumber; they use the same word twice, like in "umar sharif daraaz ane daraaz karjo" meaning "make his noble life long (and long)".

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Re: Another Hunting Excursion

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Unread post by porus » Mon Oct 11, 2004 11:30 pm

"malaabis faakhira" does literally mean 'elegant clothes' or 'clothes maling one proud".

But I suspect there will be a baatin interpretation of the phrase meaning "pure wrapping" or "enveloping in purity" or "enveloped in imaan".

an afterthought!

mbohra
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Re: Another Hunting Excursion

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Unread post by mbohra » Wed Aug 24, 2005 3:25 pm

STOP Press: Mumineen.org

Huzurala TUS to arrive in Dar es Salaam, Tanzania - (19 Rajab 1426H, 23 Aug 2005) The heaven of peace of Africa - Dar es Salaam has once again been blessed with the tashrif awri of our bawa shafiq Moula, Syedna Mohamed Burhanuddin Saheb TUS

So once again, the Sutan-e-Bawahir Burhanuddin the SHIKARI and his offsprings will be back hunting and killing the innocent extinct species of wild animals in Africa.

The poor Bohris of Tanzania again will have to dish out Millions for the Royal Family's "Jungle Maa Mungal"!

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Re: Another Hunting Excursion

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Unread post by taha52 » Thu Aug 25, 2005 3:17 am

Rumor has it that you are almost incomprehensible in person (as revealed by your desperate urge to babble nonsensically on message boards.) No doubt, this rumor is true.

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Re: Another Hunting Excursion

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Unread post by taha52 » Thu Aug 25, 2005 3:20 am

IF YOU GUYZ ARE ANIMALS TOO AND I WOULD LOVE TO HUNT YOU DOWN.

and for all you baboon-humping, panty-sniffing, grandmother fuckin , boil-nibbling, cock-brained assclowns this is a threat.

taha52
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Re: Another Hunting Excursion

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Unread post by taha52 » Thu Aug 25, 2005 3:27 am

porus

hunting is a pleasure which is enjoyed by thousand of people incliding most kings and even prisedents.

once again this shows that animal love is just another excuse to attact out beloved moula.

No doubt your life is so dul, If you called the Suicide Hotline, they'd say: "Go ahead. Do it!

Clearly, you have lost your fingertip grip on reality and have descended into an abyss of irreversible lunacy. You wouldn't know Up from Down if you had three guesses. However, I'll consider letting you have the last word if you guarantee it will be your last.

tahir
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Re: Another Hunting Excursion

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Unread post by tahir » Thu Aug 25, 2005 8:17 am

hunting is a pleasure which is enjoyed by thousand of people incliding most kings and even prisedents.
taha,
what if the progressives bash the kothari animals for pleasure... ;) ...they don't kill em' atleast.
Looks like u have been spending a lots of time in yahoo chat rooms now a days to pick those trendy adjectives.....no one is impressed is altogether a different issue. But do urself a favour and visit some ecological sites to know why hunting is not desirable by even ordinary people (forget spiritual heads)......even if the african governments have created separate hunting reserves for extra profits, it doesnt control ecological imbalance apart from wanton cruelity on animals ...however, it would be too much to expect the half literate and socially irresponsible frog in the well "maula" to understand this....I would normally not give a serious reply to the tonnes of kothari jokers who have flooded the board of late BUT I see it another instance to wake u guys up from ur slumber and realise that ur demi god keeps "pleasure" much high in priority than "ethics" or "environmental responsibilty". (If ur tender mind can comprehend the simple fact that a beautiful life created by Allah is not meant to be destroyed just for pleasure)

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Re: Another Hunting Excursion

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Unread post by mumu » Thu Aug 25, 2005 8:34 am

All you Reformist,
Please read the article in the link given by Shocked and Awed. If i am reading it correctly on line in the article says
"Aqa Maula TUS was honored by the government of Tanzania in being offered a Presidential licence for hunting."
I want to tell you all reformist that stop blaiming anyone unless and untill you know the truth. If the government is allowing the hunting then who the hell are you to give your useless comments on that.

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Re: Another Hunting Excursion

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Unread post by tahir » Thu Aug 25, 2005 8:41 am

mumu,
The govt. of Afghanistan has given a presidential protection to Osama Bin Laden. Who the hell r u to accuse him of terrorism? The same applies to Dawood Ibrahim n pakistan; Gujrat police and Narendra Modi etc etc.....