Re-evaluating the Namaz

[anajmi]

IMAM RAZI’S HORRIBLE CONFESSION:

We should expect a similar confession from the Hazar Imam pretty soon. And he hasn't written even a single volume about the quran yet.

[feelgud]

After writing his 300 volumes, ‘the great and authoritative’ Imam confesses: “All my intellectual and supposedly logical statements in the explanation of the Quran turned out to be lame.

All the explanations of the Quran done by the so-called Imams (Tabari, Zamakhshari, Ibne Kathir, Bukhari, Muslim etc) are misguided and misleading. All of us were the tools of Satan.

Our souls were polluted by our physical desires. All our endeavors and works of this world promise to bring upon us nothing but eternal humiliation, torture and doom.”
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The use of this confession tells that how things can be manipulated if taken out of context.
The site from where it is originally taken has used it against reliability of islamic history and other traditions.

If you are a scholar and at the same time have a pious heart(qalb e saleem)You ll confess the same ''my work is nothing and is not able to explain the exact meaning'' even after writing 300 volumes on Quran.

The second part is related with the healthy criticism among muslim scholars in the earlier days of Islam which is vanished nowadays.They respect each other but cant tolerate if anything goes wrong against Islam by anyone.

I can understand the reason why the orignial website from where it is taken has posted it but it is copied here by those who relate themselves with sufis and oftenly use sufi vocabulary to express the condition of a ''salik''.
I request them to ponder on "qaul e sadeed'' "qalb e saleem '' and 'fana fillah'' and then re read Imam Razi's confession.I hope they ll find all these elements in it.

wassalam

[anajmi]

br. feelgud,

These people have manipulated the words of Allah, you think they would give any consideration to Imam Razi?

[Fatwa Banker]

Why this hard on for the Aga Khan ? Like him or not he does good for society while your fellow Wahabis like OBL are arguably following the Quran (or not) when killing whoever they can. Your anger and animosity is misplaced and that is why your ilk has no credibility whatsoever. When was the last time an Ismaili or Bohri committed mass murder ?

[anajmi]

I will let the Americans take care of the Wahhabis and OBL. Let my taxes do some work. I will take care of the Ismailis.

[Fatwa Banker]

Well, the Americans are taking care of you and the Ismailis are doing a great job of taking care of themselves.

[anajmi]

Well, then your anger is obviously misplaced.

[Fatwa Banker]

It is okay not to respond when someone cleans your clock.

[anajmi]

Then why do you?

[Fatwa Banker]

You obviously don't have to worry about making a fool of yourself, you have been doing that for years. Say, you mentioned tax dollars earlier, aren't you an H1-B ?

[znanwalla]

Najmi,

I haven't "manipulated" anything....I have just shown you what has been said or written - but it is so easy for you to make false accusations - ....now see this...I am not saying anything nor have I written all this....so how can you I say I am manipulating? and who is writing all this - tell me? are they not one of your own scholars ?

IMAM TABARI’S STRANGE CONFESSION: “I am writing this book as I hear from the narrators. If anything sounds absurd, I should not be blamed or held accountable. The responsibility of all blunders rests squarely on the shoulders of those who have narrated these stories to me.”

So, Tabari wrote nothing but hearsay. Mazhabi Dastanain Aur Un Ki Haqeeqat by Allama Habib-ur-Rahman Siddiqui Kandhalwi, Ar-Rahman Publishing Trust, Karachi

Tareekhil Umam Wal Mulook (The History of Nations and Kings) popularly called “The Mother of All Histories” is the first ever “History of Islam” written by ‘Imam’ Tabari (839-923 CE) at the junction of the third and fourth century AH.

He died in 310 AH, three centuries after the exalted Prophet. What were his sources? Not a scrap of paper! “He told me this who heard it from him who heard it from her and she heard it from so and so,” and so on.

By compiling his 13 Volume History and his 30 Volume Exposition of the Quran under royal patronage, Tabari became the Super Imam.

The later historians until this day have persisted in following the trails of the Super Imam. Imam Zahri Wa Imam Tabari, Tasweer Ka Doosra Rukh by Muhaddith-ul-‘Asr Jaame’-ul-‘Uloom Hazrat Allama Tamanna Imadi Phulwari, Ar-Rahman Publishing Trust, Karachi


IMAM IBN KATHIR’S CONFESSION: “Had Ibn Jareer Tabari not recorded the strange reports, I would never have done so.” Tafseer Ibn Katheer, Khilaafat-e-Mu’awiya-o-Yazeed, Mahmood Ahmed Abbasi

IMAM AHMAD BIN HANBAL’S CHASTISEMENT: The sincere Islamic scholar of the 20th century, Allama Shibli Na’mani, on page 27 Vol 1 of his Seeratun Nabi has given a startling quote of the ancient Imam Ahmad bin Hanbal (d. 241 AH), “Three kinds of books are absolutely unfounded, Maghazi, Malahem and Tafseer.” (The Prophet’s Battles, Dreams & Prophecies and Expositions of the Quran.)

So don't get upset with me !

zn

[anajmi]

You obviously don't have to worry about making a fool of yourself,

Nope, these days I am more keen on making a fool out of you and looks like I am having success. You've changed from an average moron to a fart bank.

Say, you mentioned tax dollars earlier, aren't you an H1-B ?

Nope, but obviously Wall Street didn't teach you that H1-Bs pay full tax!!

[anajmi]

znan,

I care about only one volume and that is the quran and the quran has called your Imam foolish and unjust. That is sufficient for me.

[znanwalla]

Najma,

So what you are saying to us is that you now care only about the Interpolated and man made Texts which you have and which you falsely call "Quran? written, produced and edited for you by your script writers who were paid or given favours and which you Imams are also confirming ? see this now...


HISTORIAN IBN KHALDOON’S THRASHING:

“The Muslim historians have made a mockery of history by filling it with fabrications and senseless lies.

” Muqaddama Tareekh Ibn Khaldoon. [Ibn Khaldoon then himself makes a mockery of history. Allama Sir Muhammad Iqbal points out that there is nothing worth reading in his book but the preface, Muqaddama. Dr. Shabbir respectfully agrees.]



SHAH ABDUL AZIZ’S CRITIQUE:

“Several pages of Ibn Khaldoon’s History have been deliberately removed since the earliest times. These pages had questioned the most critical juncture of Islamic history, that is, the Emirate of Yazeed and the Fiction of Karbala. Even the modern editions admit in the side-notes and foot-notes that those pages have been mysteriously missing from the ancient original book.” Khilaafat-e-Mu’awiya-o-Yazeed, by Mahmood Ahmed Abbasi


SHAH WALIULLAH’S CHASTISEMENT:

“Imam Jalaluddin Sayyuti’s Tarikh-ul-Khulafa is the prime example of how our Historians, Muhaddithin and Mufassirin, each have played like Haatib-il-Lail (The man who collects firewood at night not knowing which piece is good and which one is bad).” Hujjatullah-il-Baalighah

IMAM RAGHIB’S PROTEST:

Tabari, Waqidi, Mas’oodi, Sayyuti wrote any reports they heard from anyone. Moreover, figures such as Abu Mukhnif, Lut bin Yahya and Muhammad bin Saaeb Kalbi never existed.

The civil wars within Islam during the times of Hazraat Ali, Mu’awiya and Yazeed have been made up under these fictitious names (Mukhnif, Lut $ Kalbi).

These names have been concocted and the narratives in their names have all been invented by one man, the Zoroastrian “Imam” Tabari bin Rustam (not Tabari bin Yazeed). Think and reflect: If civil wars of such intensity were taking place within early Islam, how could Muslims continue to expand their benevolent rule in nearly half the known world of the time? Ajaaib-it-Tareekh by Yaqoot Hamdi.

Wow!


Najmi...why are you so desperate to prove your falsehoods are truths? you sound more like a drowning man who is trying to even hold onto the straw !

Now you are saying to everyone here in this forum that you have also abandoned your own Imams and don't care about them too ...see what a charlatan you are ?.....worthless too !...zn

[anajmi]

No, I am talking about the text that you referred to. The ayah that you referred to, what did it say about your Imam? That he is foolish and unjust. So were you quoting this false text? You were quoting from these fabrications? Shame on you.

[znanwalla]

Najmi,

Was the present Imam even present then ? No ! when everyone knows that references were made to ADAM ! yet you wish to insist otherwise !

Your "obsession', perversity and obstinacy shows everyone here that you are just an Imbecile (Safiih) meaning foolish, silly, ignorant and incompetent who professes arrogance and considers religion with an estimation that makes you a real fool...the very levity with which you seem to treat religion, shows unrealness and outrages committed under the guise of piety but covertly you promote obsessions (shayaatiin) reflecting the unreliable light of artificial knowledge of which your false religion or cult is just one variety as "God took your Light away" and so falsehood now stands in the presence of reality for you and your MF scooters from Tataland !...zn

[anajmi]

So you concede that the ayahs you were quoting did not refer to your Hazar Imam. What a bunch of cowardly followers. They do an about turn within a week!!

[znanwalla]

Najmi,

I think you are uneducated human being ! did I not quote subsquent ayats to show the entire narration which is in Sura al Baqara ? I did ! why are you then going round and round in circles?

I asked you if you were willing to equally condemn Abraham, Noah, Moses, Jesus and Muhamed and their Progeny? You said No ! so obviously my answer now is correct as you are referring to something else....so make up your mind !....everything originates from Adam and so you have to decide....

Arrogant people like you conceive God based on the figment of your own imaginations and you continue to project your foibles and limitations on HIM by ascribing "partners" and so it has now become fashionable for you all to say you are enjoying an unmediated relationship ! the best I can see is that you are related to Iblis...zn

[anajmi]

Are you quoting from the same books that I have? If you do then you are quoting fabrications. What I have is not even the quran (as per you). You quoted your own text and as per your own text, your Hazar Imam is foolish and unjust. Are you saying that your text says the same thing about Adam, Abraham, Noah, Moses, Jesus and Muhamed also? Shame on you and your text.

[znanwalla]

You just told everyone here that you are depending on Amazon for understanding your Quran ! Now was the Quran revealed to Amazon? or are your texts so bad and unreliable that you have to depend on Amazon script writers? is Amazon an authoritative muslim site?...No wonderful you are lost and confused !....you depend on "english sovereigns" and italian popes also for clarity and understanding of Quran.....I told you that you are an imbecile !zn

[znanwalla]

haven't you read what your own scholars are saying about your own Imams? and then you calling them useless and then saying you have abandoned them in lieu of the fabrications offered to you by the cult....so why worry about us ! or even our Imam whether he is unjust or whatever....he is ours and a hero to us !....

Imam Abdul Alim Musa of Masjid al-Islam (Washington, DC) has received much criticism for his outspoken lectures on the Ahlul Bayt (as).

This lecture by far is most amazing and compelling stories of a convert who was lied to and deceived by the "imams" that brought him to Islam in prison.

The books they gave to him, he says, delibrately had mistranslations so to mask the importance of the Ahlul Bayt (as); instead of "People of the House" Ahlul Bayt (as) was translated as "followers of the Prophet."

It wasn't till much later did Imam Musa know the TRUE meaning of Durood Shareef. He continues by revealing hadith after hadith about the importance of loving the Ahlul Bayt from Sunni sources. He tells the congregation not to get mad at him, get mad at the scribes who write down the hadiths. "Why aren't there any conferences on the Ahlul Bayt (as)?" he asks...

So everyone now knows you are Liars and fabricators !...keep on riding your MF scooters !..zn

[anajmi]

You just told everyone here that you are depending on Amazon for understanding your Quran

Is that how you understood what I had said? Now that explains your understanding of the quran. What a bunch of idiots. Amazon is where the quran is easily available you moron. Not where it is understood!! Amazon doesn't write the quran. Ismailis aren't that stupid are they? Well, you probably messed up the Average Ismaili IQ pretty badly.

Anyway, what did you say the quran called your Hazar Imam? Foolish and Unjust. Yeah!! The truth from the true quran from the mouth of an ignorant fool.

[znanwalla]

You yourself said that you read your Quran on Amazon Jungle site ! so now what do i do imbecile?....you have this habit of taking 90 degree turns after you goof !....so tell me? do you keep your veggies naked in the house?...Umar has said you do that huh !....zn

[znanwalla]

Najmi,

In the brothels a woman is also easily available ! is that why you go there thinking it is your wife or woman permitted to you?....did I not say you are an imbecile riding scooters?...zn

[znanwalla]

don't worry about my IQ pal? worry about your Interpolations and your fabricated ahadith and what your Imams and scholars have disclosed !....my IQ is reasonable or else by now you would not be sweating from everywhere !!!....zn

[anajmi]

You yourself said that you read your Quran on Amazon Jungle site

As I said before. What Ismailis read and what they understand are two completely different things. Even if I said that, don't you know that you cannot read anything on Amazon? Are you that dumb that you don't even know what Amazon does and does not do?

Why do you keep talking about brothels? The kind of language you use, what a shame. Is this the kind of language that one uses in the house of the Ahlul bayt?

[anajmi]

Your IQ is reasonable... hmmmm... let's see. You disclosed your identity like a moron. You disclosed that you are a female like a moron, then you disclosed that you quote from fabrications, then you disclosed that your Imam is foolish and unjust. Yeah people with reasonable IQ are that stupid.

[Muslim First]

Interesting vie of Ismailis on Namaaz!
Read in full here http://www.ismaili.net/html/modules.php ... bc07840c04

I'm an Ismaili and have been curious for over a couple of yrs now. I know MHI prays the namaz and recently I was on youtube and I saw some pics of MHI and his grandfather SMS praying namaz. Can someone explain the aignificance of this.

seen him praying / reciting Namaz so what??

There is nothing there. When Mowlana Shah Karim was 7 years old, he lead the Idd Namaz [he was not Imam at that time]

Sultan Muhammad Shah also had lead a Namaz at the Muslim League. He said we are allowed to go for Namaz if we are leading, not if we are following.

This can not be done at the expense of our own faith.

Note here: Ismailis admitting that they have different faith

What I understand from the above is that MHI only leads Namaz cermonies - that he does not pray the namaz 5 times as the Sunni jamat does? Thats the piece that I wanted clarification on – we pray the dua but MHI prays the namaz, theres got to be some significance to that right? Could you shed some light on that? I understand that we should do as he asks us to do and Im not questioning that but when I do have ppl from outside our faith ask me,

Has he asked Ismilis not to pray Namaaz?[/b]

Here Comes the truth

The Imam at the present time expresses himself as a Muslim and therefore his external actions will reflect that. He may say namaz and fast if it is appropriate to the context, but we as his murids should not get guidance from what he does but we should follow what he tells us to do.

He is only expressig himself as Muslim. He could be Christian, Hindu, Jew, or Nothing

[anajmi]

his murids should not get guidance from what he does

That in a nutshell is what Ismailism is all about. Fakes and Fabrications. Lie and conceal, cheat and deceive.

[Muslim First]

The Imam at the present time expresses himself as a Muslim

This fact should be known to all. He is faking to be Muslim