Prayers in Qur'an

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Re: Prayers in Qur'an

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Unread post by turbocanuck » Tue Sep 16, 2008 10:35 pm

Originally posted by anajmi:
The muslims are getting punished today because of their wayward ways, so that they can come back to the path of Allah and the sunnah of the prophet. !!
I thought the deviant Ismailis were off the right path....in that case the Ismailis should be the ones on the receiving end, shouldnt they? as far as i can see, they are a happy lot. What i can see very clearly though is those who are hypocrites, follow the 5 pillars to the "T", and yet are full of misery and callousness.
Everything is "haram' this and "haram "that", trying to impose their narrow-minded philosophy on others, and they are the ones i see getting whacked by Allah. just look at the state of the Ummah today.....deplorable, and yet there are some who dont SEE....!!

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Re: Prayers in Qur'an

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Unread post by Muslim First » Wed Sep 17, 2008 7:56 pm


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Re: Prayers in Qur'an

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Unread post by Muslim First » Thu Dec 04, 2008 3:39 pm

ALLAH’S GUIDANCE

Qur’an 6:71-72

Qur’an 20:14

PRAISING THE ALLAH

Qur’an 110:1-3

Qur’an 18:23-24

Qur’an 30:17-18

CONDITION FOR PRAYER

(a) Washing before prayer (Wudu)

O who believe! Whenever you intend to pray, wash your faces and your hands up to the elbows, and wipe your heads and [wash] your feet up to ankles.

(b) Full bath (Ghusl) if soiled
Qur’an 5:6

Qur’an 4:43

(c) Cleanliness in dress
Qur’an 7:31

Qur’an 74:4-5

(d) The direction of prayer
Qur’an 2:150

(e) The Times for prayer

Qur’an 4:103

Qur’an 11:114

Qur’an 17:78-80

Qur’an 20:130-132

(f) Prayer in Congregation
Qur’an 4:102

Qur’an 2:43

(g) Other Condition for Prayer
Qur’an 17:110

Qur’an 29:45

Qur’an 73:4

FRIDAY PRAYER

Qur’an 63:9-11

THE SPIRIT OF PRAYER

Qur’an 2:152-153

Qur’an 23:1-2

Qur’an 96:19

Qur’an 2:45

Qur’an 70:22-23

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Re: Prayers in Qur'an

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Unread post by jawanmardan » Thu Dec 04, 2008 4:07 pm

MF,
Your philistinism is at deviance with humanity.

Rather than focus on condeming prescribed prayers within another community, why not start the thread "Terrorism in the Qu'ran" and, so that you can demonstrate your fervor more constructively.

You really ought to prioritize effectively. Just a suggestion. :|

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Re: Prayers in Qur'an

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Unread post by anajmi » Thu Dec 04, 2008 8:11 pm

Rather than focus on condeming prescribed prayers within another community
I don't think br Muslim First is condemning another communities prayer in his post above. He is simply pointing out the prayers prescribed in the quran. If that implies condemning prayers prescribed within another community, then maybe those prayers are not in line with the quran.

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Re: Prayers in Qur'an

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Unread post by jawanmardan » Thu Dec 04, 2008 8:23 pm

anajmi wrote:

I don't think br Muslim First is condemning another communities prayer in his post above.
Anajmi,
I think his first post speaks for itself (highlights are all his).
Muslim First wrote:.
Frequently deviants on this board question and state there are only 3 prayers in Qur’an. ... Deviants definitely do not know Islam because they are Ismailis not Muslim
What do you think this, like most of his threads are intended to accomplish? ziltch, nada, numero zero.

In the words of Groucho Marx "if that ain't fitna I don't what is!", at least he would have if he were Muslim.

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Re: Prayers in Qur'an

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Unread post by anajmi » Thu Dec 04, 2008 8:35 pm

Well, if Muslim First is creating fitna then so is everybody else including you and I. And name calling is a part of the game. He called you a deviant and you called him a philistine.

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Re: Prayers in Qur'an

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Unread post by jawanmardan » Thu Dec 04, 2008 9:14 pm

anajmi;

He is, and Isma'ili on this board are no less guilty. Hence the problem.

I am sure he believes anyone who does not believe and practice precisely what he believes and practices is a deviant, and because that narrow mindedness, and because he is so poorly read on the subject he presumes to admonish he is a philistine in my view.

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Re: Prayers in Qur'an

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Unread post by znanwalla » Fri Dec 05, 2008 2:08 am

MF...

You are only exposing your own foolishness by showing us some man made websites just the way you are waving your man made ahadith and texts....in the Quran there are more than 100 verses about salat (not "namaz")...salat ! and Remembrance of Allah ! about Du'a ! about timings etc etc...none do I see speak clearly about five prayers and so you guys come out with fiction and fable that an angel whispered in the prophet's ear that muslims should pray 5 times....so cut this hyperbole !

why did the angel take so long to whisper this directive? and if it was in the Quran why do your folks have even the need to make such lamentable stories...just say it is our general belief or practice...good ! no problem...but don't boast like an imbecile from the Pit latrines of arabia....

The prophet said prayer is like bathing in a river which would wash the dirt away....infact people should pray ALL the time until death ! people should Thank God all the time and beg perpetually ! why just 5 times in a day?

Even then you bow down in submission 15 times in a day with your five prayers , ismailis bow down 18 times with just three salat in a day...so what are you boasting?

Our Prophet spent most of his life praying at night...sometimes his feet would become swollen due to the strain of standing.

Once even Ayesha asked him why you are spending so much time in prayers when you are the most beloved of Allah? and the prophet said that he did not want to remain ungrateful !

How can you convince us that God has restricted anyone to pray just 5 times a day? ...

"And keep up the prayer in the two ends of the day and in the first hours of the night..." (makes it THREE to us !) i.e. Salatul Fajr; Salatul Maghrib and salatul Asha ( equivalent to Wusta)(the midmost and the excellent !)

Many of us pray voluntarily more than what you can ever do....at noon; at midnight and so you are way behind.....whilst you are hung up on your FIVE.......

The object is to remember Allah all the time ! not just five times ! The object is to Thank Him all the time ! Not just restrictively as you seem to suggest ! The object is to ask for forgiveness and help and to be in contact with HIM day and night ! Not just five times pal !

The obvious result is and will be contentment, satisfaction, peace, tranquility, patience, tolerance, humility, honesty, development, good health which for the most part you guys unfortunately LACK both in your behaviour and performance and so the results are there for all to see....people hate you guys....if you did things right, people would follow your examples.....people shun you instead !....so what conclusion is obvious here? any sensible person knows except those from the Pit Latrines !

zn

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Re: Prayers in Qur'an

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Unread post by anajmi » Fri Dec 05, 2008 9:03 am

A letter from Hazrat Ali to his governors - from the Nahjul Balagha

Letter 52
A circular about prayers to the governors of all the provinces
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Lead the Zuhr prayer till the shadow of a wall becomes equal to the height of the wall, the Asr prayers can be performed till the sun is still bright and enough time of the day is left for a person to cover a distance of six miles. The Maghrib prayers should be performed when people break their fasts and when Hajj pilgrims return from Arafat. And the time for Ice (Isha) prayers is when the red glow of the even twilight disappears from the West, till one-third of the night is still left. The morning prayers are to be performed when there appears enough light of the dawn for a man to recognize the face of his companion.

While leading the prayers make them so short that the weakest among you may not feel tired to follow you and his strength and patience may not be over strained.


Can the Ismailis count from 1 to 5?

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Re: Prayers in Qur'an

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Unread post by Muslim First » Fri Dec 05, 2008 11:01 am

I am reposting from another thread:

Perdesi Bhai

If you are looking for meaning od Salah for one "idiot".

Here I am sitting with a Qur'an translation which has Glossary of meaning of Qur'anic arabic words.

This is what this "idiot" found on page 1149 of "Interpretation of the Meaning of THE NOBLE QUR'AN" in English language by Taqi-ud-Din Al-Hilali & Dr. M. Nushin Khan
As-Salat : See Iqamat-as-Salat

Iqamat-as-Salat:

The performance of As-Salat (the prayers), This is not understood by many Muslims. It means:

(A) Each and every Muslim, male or female, is oblidge to offer Salat (prayers) regualarly 5 tiems a day at specified times; the male in the Masjids in congression and female at home. As the Prophet SAW has said: "Order your children to offer Salat (prayers) at the age of 7 and chastisize them (about it) at the age of 10". The chief (of family, town, tribe etc.) and Muslim ruler of a country are held responsible before Allah SWT in case of non-fulfillment of of this obligation by the Muslims under his authority.

(B) To perform the Salat (Prayers) in a way just as Prophet SAW used to perform it with the rules and regulations, i.e. standing, bowing, prostrationg, sitting, etc. as he has said:
"Perform your Salat (Prayer) the way you see me performing it." [9:352-O.B.] [Please se Ahadith No.s 702, 703, 704,723, 786, 787 Vol I, Shaih Al-Bukhari for the Prophet's way of offering Salat (Prayer), inthe Book of Characteristics of the Salat (Prayer) and that the Salat begins with Takbir (Allahu-Akbar) with the recitation of Surah Al-Fatiha etc. along with its various postures, standig, bowing, Prostrations, sitting etc. and ends in Taslim.
Now my personal note and humble request to you pardesi Bhai.

We have gone back and forth on this subject and become testy many tiems. This is a matter of suprime faith for us Muslims (That includes Sunni and all Shia except devient Ismailis) who believe in As-Salat as duty and those who are observent perform faithfully in accordance of the understanding of their own Fiqh. I must admit that we have differences in hand positions, combining of prayers, number of Adhans and wordings etc. etc.. Despite these differences you will find Muslims (Shia and Sunni) answering call of prayers all around this earth. I am surprised that Muslim prayers are belittled by those who want to be identified as Momins.

I will have no further discussion of As-Salat with Ismailis unless it is in respectful manner and for gaining understanding.

(All errors in transcribing are mine)

Wasalaam

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Re: Prayers in Qur'an

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Unread post by anajmi » Fri Dec 05, 2008 11:04 am

Br. Muslim First,

That is too many words for the Ismaili idiots to grasp. You have to start with one word at a time.

jawanmardan,

I am not referring to you in my above post.

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Re: Prayers in Qur'an

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Unread post by pardesi » Fri Dec 05, 2008 11:37 am

MF,
I am also reposting from that other thread to answer yours. This is a more relevant thread.

Muslim First wrote:
Perdesi Bhai

If you are looking for meaning od Salah for one "idiot".

Here I am sitting with a Qur'an translation which has Glossary of meaning of Qur'anic arabic words.

This is what this "idiot" found on page 1149 of "Interpretation of the Meaning of THE NOBLE QUR'AN" in English language by Taqi-ud-Din Al-Hilali & Dr. M. Nushin Khan
Thank you Brother MF. But please don't call yourself an idiot. The idiot that I was referring to in my posts was a different one. Unfortunately what I was looking for was a translation/meaning of the word "Salat" not an interpretation. But I have got it now. Thanks for taking the trouble.
Now my personal note and humble request to you pardesi Bhai.

We have gone back and forth on this subject and become testy many tiems. This is a matter of suprime faith for us Muslims (That includes Sunni and all Shia except devient Ismailis) who believe in As-Salat as duty and those who are observent perform faithfully in accordance of the understanding of their own Fiqh. I must admit that we have differences in hand positions, combining of prayers, number of Adhans and wordings etc. etc.. Despite these differences you will find Muslims (Shia and Sunni) answering call of prayers all around this earth. I am surprised that Muslim prayers are belittled by those who want to be identified as Momins.

I will have no further discussion of As-Salat with Ismailis unless it is in respectful manner and for gaining understanding.
I do understand your sentiments and ofcourse I will respect them. During the course of a debate things get testy and you feel offended and hence your reluctance to discuss the matter of salat "unless it is in respectful manner and for gaining understanding". When was the last time you guys debated with us without attacking our Imam and his family within the first two posts? Could you accord the same respect and manner to us when you and your partners discuss Ismaili tariqa, their beliefs, their Imams and their families. Treat others the same way you want to be treated. Isn't it just fair? I don't remember ever ridiculing Islam or its fundamentals. Its a different thing we question your understanding of it.

The idiot in my post was an even bigger idiot when he answered and the way he answered a very simple question I asked. The meaning of the word "salat". There was a reason why I asked that question. Even you gave me a three paragraph "translation" of the word "salat". I did deduce the meaning of "salat" from one of your lines "....salat (prayers)". Salat does not mean prayers however it is the general understanding. Although I got a very good answer from one of your own from a local mosque and I agree with him, I just wanted to see what you guys believe it means.

Nevertheless, I think you got my point I was trying to make when I asked that question to Anajmi. It was to answer one of his own statements.

Coming back to respecting the beliefs and sentiments of others, please think about playing on neutral turf and according the same respect, rights and dignity to us that you expect for yourself in the first place.

Just to let you and others know that I will be traveling on the road the rest of the day and may not be able to answer until later tonight. I know the idiot-e-azam will think I am trying to hide.

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Re: Prayers in Qur'an

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Unread post by Aarif » Fri Dec 05, 2008 12:26 pm

Here is a good article on Salat in light of holy Quran.. It might help clearing quite a few doubts. I have not read it completely but whatever I could found it quite useful

One of the most asked question that we get is the title of this page.

This question of potential believers exposes lack of knowledge of the Quran as well as proves that their religion, as practiced, is based purely on heresy and conjecture of their parents, scholars or local mullahs.

There are three implications of the Question above:

1. An implication that challenges God's assertion and a subconscious effort to prove that God is wrong in His repeated assertions that Quran is "Complete", "Perfect" and "Fully Detailed".

2. An implication that Hadith contains the details of Salat and therefore Hadith other than the Quran can be used for religious law.

3- An implication that God is wrong in teaching us in the Quran, that all the rituals of Islam, including Salat were given to Abraham.

Those who are knowledgeable of the Quran know that there are two sources for the religion of Islam (Submission in English).

1. The Quran which is COMPLETE, PERFECT and fully details all religious LAW.

2. Religious practices given to Prophet Abraham and passed on to us generation after generation since the time of Abraham.

Quran teaches us in no uncertain terms that Abraham is the founder of Islam as it is practiced today. As such, what did Abraham contribute to our daily life as Muslims?

Quran teaches us that ALL RELIGIOUS PRACTICES IN ISLAM, (Salat, Zakat, Fasting, & Hajj) came to us from Abraham, generation after generation.

Majority of Muslims always ask, how can these practices come to us from Abraham and not from Muhammad. They do not trust that God Almighty can preserve His own religious practices (rituals) to give to us pure, clear and complete.

In other words, all religious practices in Islam existed before Muhammad. Muhammad's sole mission was to deliver the Quran.

"Your ONLY mission (O Muhammad) is to deliver (Quran), while it is we who will call them to account." 13:40

"You (O Muhammad) have no duty EXCEPT delivering (Quran)." 42:48

"The messenger has no function EXCEPT delivering (Quran)..." 5:99

It is also interesting to know that many of these Muslims who ask the question do not know that, the Hadith and Sunna books do not have enough information about how to perform Salat, the number of Rakaat (units), or what to say in them.

The Hadiths and Sunna books are rather full of contradictory statements.

NOT a single time, was the prophet Muhammad reported as telling the people; let me tell you how to perform your Salat prayers, or let me tell you the number of Rakaat in the prayers.

Had Muhammad willed or was of his duties to teach the community their prayer and the number of Rakaat, he would have done such that, and in the public arena for everyone to witness it. It never happened. Because the Prophet Muhammad and the people before him were given the ways to pray, handed down from Abraham through generations of believers who kept the prayers intact as God promised. God would not have told Muhammad to follow the religion of Abraham if no one knows or practices that religion.

Abraham was the founder of Islam (Submission in English) as we practice it today, and the one who called us "Muslims" (Submitters in English).

"You shall strive in the cause of God as you should. He has blessed you, and imposed no hardship in your religion; the RELIGION OF YOUR FATHER ABRAHAM, Abraham is the one who named you "Muslims" in the beginning. Thus, the messenger serves as witness among you, just as you serve as a witness among the people. Therefore, you shall observe the Salat prayers, give the Zakat charity, and hold fast to God; He is your Lord; the best Lord, and the best supporter." 22:78

"Abraham was neither Jewish , nor Christian; he was a monotheist; a Muslim; he never was an idol-worshiper. The people most worthy of following Abraham are those who follow him and this prophet (Muhammad), and those who believed. God is the Lord of the believers." 3:67-68

"Then we inspired you (O Muhammad) to follow the religion of Abraham, monotheism; never was he an idol-worshiper." 16:123

Logically, if Muhammad was a follower of Abraham, and we are followers of Muhammad, then we are followers of Abraham. What did we and Muhammad learn from Abraham ???

The Quran teaches us that we learned ALL THE RELIGIOUS PRACTICES of Islam from Abraham. The whole Arabian society before and during the time of Muhammad had many followers of the religion of Abraham. Thus Abu Lahab, Abu Jahl, and the idolators of Quraish used to observe Salat prayers as we can see in 8:33-35.

"...Their SALAT PRAYERS at the shrine were no more than deceit and repulsion. ..."

In Sura 73, few weeks after the revelation of the Quran, 73:20 is telling the Muslims to observe the SALAT and Zakat. Does it make sense that God would issue a commandment to observe something not already known.???

"......and observe the SALAT and ZAKAT, and lend God a loan of righteousness. Whatever you advance for your souls, you will find at God better and multiplied manifold....." 73:20.

In 2:128 we see Abraham and Ismail implore God to teach them "THE RELIGIOUS PRACTICES OF ISLAM"

"As Abraham raised the foundation of Ka'ba, together with Ismail, they prayed, 'Our Lord, accept this work from us; You are the Hearer, the Omniscient. Our Lord, and make us Muslims (Submitters) to You and from our descendants let there be a nation of Muslims (Submitters) to you; AND TEACH US HOW TO PRACTICE OUR RELIGIOUS DUTIES, and redeem us; You are the Redeemer, the Merciful'" 2:127-128

The Prophets and Messengers prior to Abraham were not given any religious practices. The human society was so primitive, only BELIEF IN GOD ALONE was all that is required for salvation. See for example Sura 71, entitles "Noah" Thus, religious practices appear in Quran ONLY after ABRAHAM; never before him.

"(O Children of Israel) you shall observe the SALAT PRAYERS & ZAKAT charity; you shall bow down with those who bow." 2:125


MORE PROOFS THAT SALAT OBSERVED BEFORE MUHAMMAD.

"O Mary (Mariam), you shall obey your Lord, and shall prostrate and bow down with those who bow down." 3:43

"(Jesus said) God has made me blessed wherever I go, and He commanded me to observe the SALAT PRAYERS and ZAKAT charity for as long as I live." 19:31

But the Jews and Christians lost the SALAT PRAYERS, changed it and invented their own.

"Generations came thereafter who LOST the SALAT prayers, and pursued their lusts." 19:59

If we look in the oldest prayer books for the Jews we can still see their prayers very similar to what the Muslims do today, they bow down and fall prostrate. There are remnant of the SALAT prayers among the Jews, namely the Samaritans, and the Christians (the Russian Orthodox Church). It is noteworthy that the Samaritan Jews have denounced the man-made commandments of Talmud, and decided to adhere to the word of God ALONE, i.e. Torah. (See "The Myth of God Incarnate", page 117)


MORE PROOFS:

" And we granted him (Abraham) Isaac and Jacob as a gift, and we made them righteous. And we appointed them Imams who guide in accordance with our commandments. AND WE TAUGHT THEM RIGHTEOUS WORKS AND THE OBSERVANCE OF SALAT AND ZAKAT.' 21:72-73

Unfortunately, this plain Quranic truth is not accessible by those who keep trying to prove that Quran is not complete. First they have to come to sincere conviction that Quran is complete, perfect and fully detailed; they have to believe their Lord. Once they attain this conviction, the shields will be removed from around their hearts, the deafness will be removed from their ears and they will become worthy of the Quranic truth.


FASTING CAME TO US VIA ABRAHAM: then modified in the Quran.

"You are permitted to have sexual intercourse with your wives during the night of fasting; they are your confidantes, and you are their confidantes. God knew that you used to betray your souls in the past. He has redeemed you, and He has pardoned you. Henceforth, you may have intercourse with them, seeking what God has permitted for you." part of 2:187

"O you who believe, fasting is decreed for you, AS IT WAS DECREED for those before you, that you may attain salvation." 2:183


HAJJ (Pilgrimage) : came to us VIA ABRAHAM: Please note that the same verse also mention the SALAT prayers bowing down and prostrating.

"We pointed out to Abraham the location of the shrine, and directed him to worship NONE beside Me, and to purify My shrine for those who would visit it, those who would retreat therein, and those who would BOW DOWN AND PROSTRATE. And you shall declare (O Abraham) that the people shall observe HAJJ. They will then come to you , walking or riding, from the farthest places." 22:26-27


MORE PRAYERS or SAME PRAYERS ?!

All Muslims (Submitters) know that God ordered us to do five contact prayers (Salat) every day. Traditional sectarian Muslims, call these five prayers, "fard" or obligatory. They believe that there are other prayers (Sunnah) which should also be done for extra credit. However we will illustrate here how the number of prayers, number of units, and even the names of the prayers are mathematically coded. This means that adding prayers disrupts the intricate code that God has created and designed into the contact prayers. Adding extra prayers to what God ordered is like a person taking extra medicine on his own to feel much better than what his/her doctor told him to take, it can kill him instead of helping him. Of course that does not mean that we should not worship to gain extra credit! On the contrary, God tells us exactly what we should do for extra credit.

"During the night, you shall meditate for extra credit, that your Lord may raise you to an honorable rank. And say, "My Lord, admit me an honorable admittance, and let me depart an honorable departure, and grant me from You a powerful support." 17:79-80

In this verse and several others, God tells us to meditate on Him and to fall prostrate during the night for extra credit. He does not tell us to do extra Contact prayers (Salat). In fact God tells us :

"...the contact prayers (Salat) are decreed for the believers at specific times. " 4:103

SALAT (CONTACT PRAYERS ) IN THE QURAN:

Many Muslims do not know that all the five prayers are mentioned in the Quran, their time is clearly mentioned in several verses and that all the steps we do are found also in the Quran.

{1} FIVE PRAYERS A DAY AND THEIR TIME :

God gave us the times for the Salat (contact Prayers) in the Quran :

(1) The Dawn Prayer (Fajr in Arabic) given in 11:114, 24:58
(2) The Noon Prayer (Zuher in Arabic) , given in 17:78 and 30:18
(3) The Afternoon Prayer (Asr in Arabic), given in 2:238
(4) The sunset Prayer (Maghrib in Arabic), given in 11:114
(5) The Night Prayer (Isha in Arabic), given in 24:58

As you can see from the Quran, God tells us to do our Contact prayers (Salat) at specific times, and then He tells us what these times are.

{2} TAKBEER (Glorification of God), Allahu Akbar : The Takbeer (glorification of God) by saying Allahu Akbar for example can be found in 17:111, 2:185, 22 :37, 74:3, and 29:45

[17:110-111] " Say, "Call Him GOD, or call Him the Most Gracious; whichever name you use, to Him belongs the best names." You shall not utter your Contact Prayers (Salat) too loudly, nor secretly; use a moderate tone. And proclaim: "Praise be to GOD, who has never begotten a son, nor does He have a partner in His kingship, nor does He need any ally out of weakness," and magnify Him constantly (Kabberho Takbeera)."

See also, the files, "Magnify God" and " God's beautiful names"

{3} READING SURA 1, FATEHA, IN SALAT : The mathematical evidence for Sura 1 is overwhelming and should be reviewed. Check the file "Beyond Probability" by Abdullah Arik.

{4} BOWING DOWN (Rukoo) AND FALLING PROSTRATE (Sajood): Where in the Quran;

[22:77] "O you who believe, you shall bow, prostrate, worship your Lord, and work righteousness, that you may succeed. "

See also, 2:43, 2:125, 5:55, 9:112, 22:26 and 48:29 For falling prostrate also see; 3:113, 4:102, 7:206, 13:15, 15:98, 16:49, 17:107, 19:58, 22:18, 25:64, 41:37, 48:29, 53:62, 76:26, and 96:19, WHAT WE SAY WHEN WE BOW DOWN : "Subhana Rabbya Al-Azeem), can be found in 56:74

[56:74] "You shall glorify the name of your Lord, the Great. ' (Fa-Sabbeh Be-Ism Rabbeka Al-Azeem)

WHAT WE SAY WHEN WE GET UP FROM BOWING DOWN: "Sami-a Allahu Le-man Hamedahu" (God hears those who praise Him)

[3:38] "That is when Zachariah implored his Lord: "My Lord, grant me such a good child; You are the Hearer of the prayers."

AND,

[52:48] "You shall steadfastly persevere in carrying out your Lord's command - you are in our eyes - and glorify and praise your Lord when you get up."

WHAT WE SAY WHEN WE FALL PROSTRATE: "Subhana Rabbya Al-A'ala " can be found in 87:1

[87:1] "Glorify the name of your Lord, the Most High." (Sabbeh Ism Rabbeka Al-A'ala)


{5} SHAHADA (TASHAHHUD):

La Elaha Ella Allah (There is no god but God).

The Shahada recited after the prostration of the second Rakaat and at the end of the prayers can be found in 3:18. This is the Shahada of God, the angels and those who possess knowledge. The Shahada of the hypocrites can be found in 63:1

[3:18] "GOD bears witness that there is no god except He, (La Elaha Ella Ho, Ho in reference to God, Allah ) and so do the angels and those who possess knowledge. Truthfully and equitably, He is the absolute god; there is no god but He, the Almighty, Most Wise."


BUT WHY CAN'T WE........... ?

But why can't we pray more than what God told us to pray ? There are two parts to the answer of this question. The first part has to do with the source of our religious practice. If God tells you in the Quran to pray five specific prayers, and you say," But the Hadith books said to pray more" . Does this mean God does not know what to order ?! Does this mean God is not clear ? when He said the prayers are set for specific times. All Muslims world-wide agree on the five Contact Prayers (Salat), how many units they should be, and when they should be prayed. But no two sects agree on the Sunnah prayers. Isn't this exactly like the example given in the Quran :

"God cites the Example of a man who deals with disputing partners (i.e. Hadith), compared to a man who deals with only one consistent source (Quran). Are they the same ? Praise be to God; most of them do not know. (39:29)

The second part of the answer has to do with the mathematical proof of the Contact Prayers (Salat).


Units of Contact Prayers

There is no dispute concerning the number of units (Rak'ahs) in all five daily prayers enjoined by God for Abraham and his followers. They are universally accepted to be 2, 4, 4, 3, and 4 units, respectively, for the above prayers listed. These are considered as the obligatory units ordained by God. Other additional units practiced by the traditional Muslims are disputed and vary according to different sects, from none to as many as 10 units per prayer. These extra prayers are con-sidered Sunnah, something that Prophet Muhammad was claimed to have done. However, establishing re-ligious rites that are not authorized by God is a gross offense. Prophet Muhammad or any messenger of God would never disobey God by adding or even slightly changing anything that God had enjoined them to do. People who follow these practices not only disobey God, but they also make the religion difficult for themselves, and for their children. God tells us in the Quran that He does not want hardship for us:

He has chosen you and placed no hardship on you in practicing your religion.... (22:78)


Mathematical Confirmation


The total number of units of the five daily Salat prayers is 17: Two units at dawn, four at noon, four in the afternoon, three at sunset, and four at night. These practices were first given to Abraham, and have been preserved since then by his followers, which include Prophet Muhammad. The question often asked is how we can be sure of that. God with His infinite mercy blessed our generation with mathematical confirmations based on the number 19 that the units of the Salat prayers are indeed preserved in accordance with His will.


Fact 1. The units of daily Salat prayers consist of 2, 4, 4, 3, and 4 units, a total of 17 units. The number 24434 is a multi-ple of 19:

2 4 4 3 4 = 19 x 1286

The digits of 1286 add up to 17, the total number of units prayed each day (1+2+8+6 = 17).

Furthermore, the units of daily Salat prayers followed by the sequence number of the prayer is also a multiple of 19:

2 1 4 2 4 3 3 4 4 5 = 19 x 112759655


Fact 2. The total number of units prayed each day is 17. However, on Fridays the Congregational Prayer replaces the noon prayer. This prayer has only two units instead of the usual four units of noon prayer, because of the Friday sermon. Thus, the total units prayed on Friday is 15. Now, let us take every day of the week, from Saturday to Friday (assuming Friday being the last day of the week), and write down the number of units prayed each day. The resultant number is a multiple of 19:


Sat Sun Mon Tue Wed Thu Fri
17 17 17 17 17 17 15 = 19 x.....


Fact 3. Let us insert the number of the day before the units of prayer in each day. The resultant number is also a multiple of 19:


Sat Sun Mon Tue Wed Thu Fri
1 17 2 17 3 17 4 17 5 17 6 17 7 15 = 19 x.....

Fact 4. In above table, replace every 17 by 24434 which represents the individual units of daily prayers for Saturday through Thursday, and replace 15 by 22434 which represents the individual units of prayers for Friday. The resultant number is also a multiple of 19:


Sat Sun Mon Tue Wed Thu Fri
1 24434 2 24434 3 24434 4 24434 5 24434 6 24434 7 22434 = 19 x..


Fact 5. The same as Fact 3, except take Friday as the first day of the week, instead of the last day. The resultant number is also a multiple of 19:


Fri Sat Sun Mon Tue Wed Thu
1 15 2 17 3 17 4 17 5 17 6 17 7 17 = 19 x.....


Fact 6. The same as Fact 4, except again take Friday as the first day of the week, instead of the last day. The resultant number is also a multiple of 19:


Fri Sat Sun Mon Tue Wed Thu
1 22434 2 24434 3 24434 4 24434 5 24434 6 24434 7 24434 = 19 x..


How about the word Salat (Contact Prayers ) in the Quran itself ?

The word "Salat" occurs in the Quran 67 times, and when we add the numbers of Suras and verses of these 67 occurrences, the total comes to 4674, or 19x246, another multiple of 19.

One more miracle that shows how much God is in control of everything is the next one. This miracle proves that Sura 1 (Fateha) is the essence of our prayer and that the numbers of bowing and falling prostrate and saying Shahada (Tashahhuds) during our prayers are controlled by God. If we write down the number of the prayers with their bowings, prostrations and Shahadas, we get :


Sura 1 Fajr Noon A-noon Sunset Night
1
12241 24482 34482 43362 54482

11224124482344824336254482

This long number consists of the number of the sura that we recite in every prayer, Sura 1, (1) followed by the number of the first prayer (1), then the number of times that we recite sura 1 in this prayer (2 ), then the number of bowings (Rukoo') (i.e. 2), then the number of prostrations (4), then the number of Shahada (Tashahhuds) (1 in first prayer), then we start over again with the number of second prayer (2) followed by the number of sura 1 that we recite in 2nd prayer (4), then the number of bowings (Rukoo') (4) , then the number of prostrations (8) in this prayer, then the number of Tashahhuds (2), then the number of the third prayer (3), and so on to the last prayer of the day. This long number is a multiple of 19 and confirms all the minute details of our prayers. Is it a co-incidence ? You be the judge. For more information regarding sura 1 miracle check out: "Beyond Probability" by Abdullah Arik.

One may ask what are all these numbers, does God really care. The answer is actually in 72:28

"This is to ascertain that they have delivered their Lord's messages. He is fully aware of what they have. HE HAS COUNTED THE NUMBERS OF ALL THINGS." 72:28, notice that 7+2+2+8= 19, not another coincidence

From all of these findings we can see that God designed the times of the prayers, the number of units in each prayer, even the names of the prayers in a very specific way. Unfortunately human beings have tendency to make things more complex and difficult than what God gives them.

THE CORRUPTION OF SALAT:

Those who refused to believe God in His book, the Quran that the Quran is complete, perfect and fully detailed are deprived by God from performing the correct Salat. God let them wonder in the dark and pick bets and pieces that nullified their Salat for them. They insisted that God is not enough for them and God insisted on leaving them in the dark. God did not wrong them but they are the ones who wronged their own souls.

The following are some specific examples of how Salat has been corrupted and lost its form as given by God and as practiced by the Prophet Muhammad himself . It is the corrupted scholars and their blind followers who practice this corruption up to this time.

CORRUPTION ONE Ablution: Verse 5:6 give four steps for ablution. However, the potential muslims of today have their own rules.

[5:6] "O you who believe, when you observe the Contact Prayers (Salat), you shall: (1) wash your faces, (2) wash your arms to the elbows, (3) wipe your heads, and (4) wash your feet to the ankles"


CORRUPTION TWO :

[72:18] "The places of worship belong to God; do not call on anyone else besides God."

The overwhelming majority of the mosques of the world do not follow the following crucial commandment. The name of Muhammad is placed next to the name of God in most mosques. The name of Muhammad is called upon together with the name of God in Azaan. The Muslims nullify their Salat by adding the name of Muhammad to the shahaada decreed by God "La ellaha ella Allah" [3:18 & other verses]


CORRUPTION THREE :

[2:37] "Adam received from his Lord words, whereby God redeemed him; He is the Redeemer, Most Merciful." (2:37)

Adam had to utter specific words in order to be redeemed by God. Similarly, God has given us specific words - the words of Sura 1, Al fateha, in order to establish daily contact (Salat) with Him, in order to be redeemed. The Muslims of today when praying in congregation ignore the first numbered verse of the Quran, the first verse of sura Al-fatihah, the Basmallah. Instead, when they reach the end of Al-fatihah, they shout in unison: "AAAAMEEEN" - a non-Arabic, a non-Quranic word!!!! They removed the verse that has the words of God and added instead a non-Quranic word.


CORRUPTION FOUR :

The Quran commands us to use a moderate tone is Salat. But the potential Muslims have their own rules regarding the tone used, they pray in complete silence in some part of the prayers in defiance of the decree in the Quran. in 17:110

[17:110] You shall not utter your Contact Prayers (Salat) too loudly, nor secretly; use a MODERATE tone."


CORRUPTION FIVE:

After reciting Al-fatihah the potential Muslims recite other chapters from the Quran. An addition that is not supported by the Quran and which introduces into the Salat other names to share with the name of God, for which our Salat should be devoted. One of their favorite Suras is Sura 112. What logical sense does it make that when we are performing our contact prayers (Salat) that we tell God, "Say/Proclaim, `He is the One..'"!? This statement should be directed to the creatures of God and not to the One who is KNOWER of Everything.

Sura 112:1-4 is reproduced below.

[112:1-4] Proclaim, "He is the One and only GOD. "The Absolute GOD. "Never did He beget. Nor was He begotten. "None equals Him."


THEY STILL INSIST :

Even after showing all this Quranic evidence to those who do not believe God, you will note that they insist on their ways. They may ask you again and after all that ; "Where are the details of SALAT prayers in the Quran" ? Until they decide to believe their Creator in His repeated assertions that the Quran is complete, perfect and fully detailed, they can never see the Quranic truth. This is documented in 18:57;

"Who is more wicked than one who is reminded of the verses of His Lord, then disregard them, while unaware of his sin ? Consequently, we place shields on their hearts, to prevent them from understanding (Quran), and deafness in their ears. Thus, if you invite them to the guidance, they can NEVER EVER be guided." 18:57


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Salaam brother/sister,

<<I just wanted to know, is the way to perform Salat stated in the Quran? For e.g., when to go into Rukoo and Sajda and what to say in those positions. Please advise.. >>

God teaches us in the Quran that HE gave all rituals of Islam to Abraham NOT to Muhammad.

"As Abraham raised the foundation of Ka'ba, together with Ismail, they prayed, 'Our Lord, accept this work from us; You are the Hearer, the Omniscient. Our Lord, and make us Muslims (Submitters) to You and from our descendants let there be a nation of Muslims (Submitters) to you; AND TEACH US HOW TO PRACTICE OUR RELIGIOUS DUTIES, and redeem us; You are the Redeemer, the Merciful'" 2:127-128

Of course the corruptors of religion tried to give this credit to Muhammad, but their words cannot be accepted in face of what GOD Himself says in the Quran. Quran is the end of Islam, not its beginning as some people imagine. Muhammad was the Last prophet in Islam, but he was its first.

"You shall strive in the cause of God as you should. He has blessed you, and imposed no hardship in your religion; the RELIGION OF YOUR FATHER ABRAHAM, Abraham is the one who named you "Muslims" in the beginning. Thus, the messenger serves as witness among you, just as you serve as a witness among the people. Therefore, you shall observe the Salat prayers, give the Zakat charity, and hold fast to God; He is your Lord; the best Lord, and the best supporter." 22:78

"Abraham was neither Jewish , nor Christian; he was a monotheist; a Muslim; he never was an idol-worshiper. The people most worthy of following Abraham are those who follow him and this prophet (Muhammad), and those who believed. God is the Lord of the believers." 3:67-68

"Then we inspired you (O Muhammad) to follow the religion of Abraham, monotheism; never was he an idol-worshiper." 16:123

All rituals of Islam given before the Quran including Salat, Zakat hajj, fasting... as we saw on 2:127-128.

God created Hajj to all the Muslims from around the world to meet with Abraham and his children and grand children to teach them and confirm with them the correct practices of Islam. This Hajj practice never stopped since Abraham, several thousands years ago.

Salat came to us through generations after generations who met yearly in Hajj since Abraham and NONE of them ever came back telling the Muslims to do different Salat for example. This universally accepted Salat does not contradict the Quran and goes along the fact that Salat is older than the Quran. In the third revelation of the Quran, 73:20, God ordered Muhammad and the believers to do "The" Salat and pay "THE" Zakat, not just any Salat or any Zakat.

This "THE" Salat means it is something already known to Muhammad and the believers and not something left for Muhammad or everyone to innovate.

In brief, every movement or say in our Salat came to us as inherited practice from Abraham who was the first and ONLY prophet to receive rituals of Islam.

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Unread post by Admin » Fri Dec 05, 2008 3:49 pm

Please do not cut and past long articles. You can provide a link to them. We'll delete it after a while.

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Unread post by Muslim First » Fri Dec 05, 2008 4:22 pm

I will be traveling on the road the rest of the day
Tuday is Friday, Jumma.

We Muslims are oblidged to go for Jumma prayers. One of Qur'anic Commands. Jumma prayers are obligatory.

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Unread post by Muslim First » Fri Dec 05, 2008 4:26 pm

Admin

Br. Aarif's post is very informative and deservse to be kept.

You never warned XN for repatative cut and paste gibberis. May be you should delete all those.

Wasalaam

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Unread post by znanwalla » Fri Dec 05, 2008 4:52 pm

Areef,...Yes keep it so that we have a chance to rip it apart ! Now MF answer our questions with your scooters !

You are making incompetent and irrelevant arguments....Imamat also stems from Abraham...so why are you denying this? is it pre meditated or accidental? even Muhamad knew and declared Imamat which also stems from Abraham and his progeny...so how did you then miss out? and why pick and choose? or did Abraham and the Prophets after him have given you all some kind of special privilege to concoct your own theories and fairy tales?

In the beginning there was no fixed time for prayer and no fixed prayer. During the first three years of his Naboowat the Holy Prophet prayed secretly. Prayers were regulated much later....why? if you say your practice stems from the time of Abraham and the prophet too followed the same practice or prayer, then what was the impediment here that the muslims could only "regulate" some 10 or 11 years into naboowat and not before ?

Many Muslims according to Bukhari and Abu-Muslim prayed 50 times...so then what were they praying the remain 45 times? and were they all ignorant like you are today? of what the practice was during the time of Abraham just the way some of you are about Imamat?

Now let us look at what the HQ says: You will find that mention is made of the obligatory prayer "Salat" in chapter/verses 2:43,83,110,153,238,; 4: :102; 6:72; 10:87; 11:114; 14:33; 17:78; 20:14; 23:2,9; 24:36,56; 29:45; 30:31; 33:33; 58:13; 73:20; 87:15 and 98:5.

These verses clearly ordain the momineen to "aqeem us sala" i.e. to keep up the Prayer.

A study of the HQ will show that it does not make mention of Five Prayers to be performed Five times a day as a rule and Dr Jilani writes that the collection of Ahadith talks about Prayer and Remembrances but barely any talks about Five Prayers a day. ....Why? did your scribes not take down properly? or were their memories faulty? why is then the emphasis more on "timings' and not the numbers? were your scribes shy to say so clearly? or maybe they were incompetent like you?

Did the Prophet follow a practice known as practice known as "Jamabain - us - salatain" and which is within the spirit of the Quran? Yes or No ? we all know he did !

You will find this in Sura LXXIII 7-9:

"True there is for thee by day prolonged occupation with ordinary duties: But keep in remembrance The name of Thy Lord and devote thyself to Him wholeheartedly. He is the Lord of the East ad the West: there is no God but He: Take Him therefore for (thy) Disposer of Affairs."

So how do you tie this ayah with your restrictive mode of just 5 prayers per day?

You are saying the Prophet only "delivered" the Message and that was his authority....so then when he declared Ali as the Imam why did you all reject it?...okay, let me ask another question....does he "deliver" in his capacity as a "messenger" or as a "prophet"? are all messengers also prophets? and was Muhamad just a "messenger" and not a prophet?....I will then show you ayats which outline Muhamad's authority which was beyond just delivereing to show you don't follow the Quran but your own conjectures and fallacies.

'Qâla Rasûl Allâh' (The Messenger of God said):
"The holy Prophet said: "I have left behind among you two weighty things as a rope reaching the earth from heaven, one of them is greater than the other: the Book of Allâh and my itrat (progeny), the people of my house. They will never separate until they will come to me at the pond (of Kawthar)." These two unprecedented and magnificent things, each of which is weightier than the heaven and the earth, or rather the entire universe, are the Qur'ân and its Teacher (the Imam) whom the Prophet appointed as his khalifah or successor. It is they who are the rope of God which is stretched from the heaven to the earth to lift the people of the earth to the heaven (Sharh, X, 481)." [Source: Tawil 669: A Thousand Wisdoms] .....Prophet also delivered this message to you all...so what happened? or do you only follow what suits your sectarian agenda?


At other places in the HQ the believers are told to say "tasbeeh" (hymn)..."hamd" (praise)....."du'a (begging) and to do Zikr (remembrance) in the morning and in the evening and in the night.

In the following verses morning and evening times have been mentioned: 6:52; 7:205; 18:28; 24:36; 30:17; 33:42; 40:55; and 48:9.

And then the following verses contain THREE Times, morning, evening and the early hours of the night: : 11:114; 17:78; 20:130; 50:39,40; 52:48,49; 76:25,26 and at other places the Prophet has been ordered to make a Sajdah in the night...Read 76:26. ...so then was this too happening during the time of Abraham?

I am sure it was otherwise the scribes must have screwed up on this aspect also.....but assuming there is no screw up here, what does it show us? Allah has offered many options and no hardship in religion as long as people understand the objectives....so what conjectures are you talking about other than your own deviant ones?

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Re: Prayers in Qur'an

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Unread post by znanwalla » Fri Dec 05, 2008 5:04 pm

MF...It is on record we have answered your posts ! And it is also on record that you have NOt been able to reply to most of our Questions ! so it becomes gibberish to you because it puts a dent to your fallacies huh? get out of here pal !

The word 'Ahl adh-dhikr' (The Pure Imâms):

"Dhikr is one of names of the holy Prophet (65:10-11).

The people of dhikr therefore, are the family of the holy Prophet. Dhikr is also one of the names of the Qur'ân (21:50), and so the people of dhikr, are the people of the Qur'ân. Dhikr is also the ism-i azam (supreme Name), i.e., the asmâ'ul-husnâ (the beautiful Names) and therefore, the people of dhikr are the people of ism-i azam, the pure Imâms.

Thus, by the people of dhikr are meant the Imâms who guide the people and are enriched with the given knowledge (ilm-i laduni), and therefore, they are able to answer every difficult question related to knowledge." [Source: Tawil 154: A Thousand Wisdoms]

The word 'Ta'wil' (Hikmat: Wisdom):
"Regarding the Qur'ân, Mawlâ Ali has said: "Its zahir or esoteric aspect is an obligatory act, its bâtin or esoteric aspect is hidden and veiled knowledge which is known to and written with us." [Source: Tawil 195: A Thousand Wisdoms]

Now go and check your Quran and see if the Prophet preached Wisdom or not? whether he gave clarifications or not? and if Allah says that ...."WE have sent thee NOT save as a MERCY for mankind.."...so explain now why Allah personfied HIS Mercy through Muhamad?

Don't just boast here - we know you are ignorant for the most part and don't even know the Quran ! C'mon take me on now on theology and the Quran...debate in a civil manner and I show everyone you don't know nothing....zn

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Unread post by anajmi » Fri Dec 05, 2008 6:39 pm

A letter from Hazrat Ali to his governors - from the Nahjul Balagha

Letter 52
A circular about prayers to the governors of all the provinces
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Lead the Zuhr prayer till the shadow of a wall becomes equal to the height of the wall, the Asr prayers can be performed till the sun is still bright and enough time of the day is left for a person to cover a distance of six miles. The Maghrib prayers should be performed when people break their fasts and when Hajj pilgrims return from Arafat. And the time for Ice (Isha) prayers is when the red glow of the even twilight disappears from the West, till one-third of the night is still left. The morning prayers are to be performed when there appears enough light of the dawn for a man to recognize the face of his companion.

While leading the prayers make them so short that the weakest among you may not feel tired to follow you and his strength and patience may not be over strained.

Can the Ismailis count from 1 to 5?

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Unread post by znanwalla » Fri Dec 05, 2008 8:20 pm

Najmi,

Who were the governors of all provinces? were they not Uthman's close relatives ? so would they have listened to anything else? and did they not rebel against Ali? they did ! why? and so are you trying to convince us that you are now following Ali's directive? MF is boasting that he is following Abraham...so are you guys contrdicting each other? and did Ali give his directive to the Governors as a Caliph or as an Imam? or both? it is obvious he did not give this directive as an Imam as these governors were his enemies and had never even accepted his caliphat, leave aside the Imamat....you are merely showing your own desperateness by trying to cling to anything that helps you in your hyperbole....so if Ali is talking to the Sunnis or followers of Umar and Uthman primarily, what context will he use knowing how hung up and idiotic they all are?...just wondering pal....zn

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Unread post by anajmi » Fri Dec 05, 2008 8:38 pm

Ismailis are truly pathetic. Now they are trying to prove that Hazrat Ali was also a liar and a manipulator. Shame on the Ismailis.

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Unread post by pardesi » Fri Dec 05, 2008 11:52 pm

Muslim First wrote:
I will be traveling on the road the rest of the day
Tuday is Friday, Jumma.

...Jumma prayers are obligatory.
I didn't know traveling on a Friday has been termed haram in Quran and Sunnah! You said Jumma prayers are obligatory. So is this Jumma prayer in addition to the other five you pray every day? And your five daily are not obligatory for you? An interesting observation - almost all riots start after the Jumma prayers in muslim countries. So is it the Prayer or the Sermon?

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Unread post by anajmi » Sat Dec 06, 2008 1:07 am

Travelling is not haraam. I travelled last friday. 300 miles. Found a masjid on the route. Took a detour and prayed Jumma. Alhumdulillah, the qutba was about people who give excuses to avoid Jumma prayer, like travelling etc and how they will have to answer to Allah for disobeying Allah's command and how there are people who take a detour to attend Jumma and how they will be happy on the day of judgment. It was as if the qutba was specifically for me. Last Jumma's prayer was a happy one for me.


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Unread post by anajmi » Sat Dec 06, 2008 1:42 am

znan, pardesi, you have another candidate for the jamatkhana - Danish. :wink:

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Re: Prayers in Qur'an

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Unread post by turbocanuck » Sat Dec 06, 2008 2:52 am

Muslim First wrote:
I will be traveling on the road the rest of the day
Tuday is Friday, Jumma.

We Muslims are oblidged to go for Jumma prayers. One of Qur'anic Commands. Jumma prayers are obligatory.
Yeah and the obligatory BOMBINGS of Shia mosques and beheadings.......mailnly observed on Jumma!! verrry obligatory indeed........Hadithi proof available upon request.

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Unread post by znanwalla » Sat Dec 06, 2008 3:55 am

"...Ismailis are truly pathetic. Now they are trying to prove that Hazrat Ali was also a liar and a manipulator. Shame on the Ismailis...."

Is that all you could say in rebut? I have asked you some simple questions and you have once again not been able to answer them.....everything Ali said is unacceptable to you morons....but you wish to desperately cling now to what Ali said...

Are you also willing to accept whatever else Ali has said?

Now tell us please ! don't circumvent the issue with your cheesy remarks.....

Also you desperately picked this info in one of the Sh'ia Books "Nahjul Balagha"....and you are now convincing all of us here that when it suits your agenda you are pleading what Ali said as a basis for you to hang onto your FIVE whatever....now thats great !...shows you are unable to find anything in the Quran or your authentic books...

Now in the same book Ali also has said to Abdullah ibn al-Abbas..." Do not argue with them by the Quran because the Qur'an has many faces..." Najmi, why have you not mentioned this too ? did you overlook it?

AND

Ali also said to Malik al Ashtar an Nakha'i who was a close companion of Ali

" Communion with Allah":

" ... when you lead the prayers for the people it should neither be long or boring nor short as to be wasteful because among people there are sick as well as those who have needs of their own. When the prophet of Allah sent me to Yemen I enquired how I should offer prayers with them and he replied..."say the prayers as the weakest of them would say and be considerate of the believers..."

So does the above show one has to be rigid in any way? No !

Ali told Muawiya...."Thus We are superior first because of Kinship and secondly because of Obedience"

" And blood relations have the better claim in respect of one to the other, according to the Book of Allah..." ( Najmi check if you can find this ayah in your text)

Ali also told Muawiya..."Ummayyah cannot be like Hashim, nor Harb like Abd al Muttalib, nor can Abu Sufyan be like Abu Talib.....besides we have the distinction of Prophethood amongst us, by virtue of which we subdued the strong and raised up the down trodden and when Allah made arabia enter the fold of HIS religion and the people submitted to it willingly or unwillingly. you (muawiya) were amongst those who entered the religion either from Greed or from FEAR....." ( did you not read this Najmi)

In describing his family, Ali says..." They are the life for Knowledge and death for Ignorance and their forbearance tells you of their knowledge and their silence of their wisdom...they are the Pillars if Islam....and the asylums of its protection....they have understood the relgion.....NOT by heresy or from RELATERS becaue the RELATERS are many but those who udnerstand are few..."

" They (the opposers) have entered the ocean of disturbance and have taken to innovations instead of the Sunnah of the prophet and so whilst the believers have sunk down, the misguided and the liars are talking....We are the near ones, companions, treasure holders and the doors to the Sunnah and Houses are NOT entered save through our doors and so whoever enters from another door is a thief....the delicacies of the Quran are about the Ahl al Bayt and they are the treasures of Allah.."

So now Najmi, as you seem to follow Ali so fervently, do please listen to what he says huh....and this is a SERMON - not just a Caliph's letter - SERMON is given as the Imam...get the drift....

"Men whom neither merchandise nor any diverteh from the REMEMBRANCE of Allah and CONSTANCY in Prayer......" (24:37)

" And enjoin prayer on thy followers and adhere thou steadily unto it...." (20:132) and so the prophet used to enjoin his followers to prayers and to exert themselves for it...so where is the FIVE whatever?

Ali said..." Pledge yourself with prayer and remain steady on it...offer prayers as MUCH as POSSIBLE and seek nearness of Allah through it..."

So please go to sleep and don't waste our time unduly...

Danish has sent a nice link for MF to enjoy so he knows what his "Juma" prayers is all about....I hope he does not come and tell us that angels whisper into their ears on this day !....they just follow their own conjectures and idiosyncracies and then boast like imbeciles at the world....zn
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Re: Prayers in Qur'an

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Unread post by Danish » Sat Dec 06, 2008 5:26 am

Muslim First wrote:
Tuday is Friday, Jumma.

We Muslims are oblidged to go for Jumma prayers. One of Qur'anic Commands. Jumma prayers are obligatory.
There's no such thing as "Friday prayers" in the Quran.

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Re: Prayers in Qur'an

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Unread post by Muslim First » Sat Dec 06, 2008 10:33 am

There's no such thing as "Friday prayers" in the Quran.
FRIDAY PRAYER
Qur’an 62:9-11
[Shakir 62:9] O you who believe! when the call is made for prayer on Friday, then hasten to the remembrance of Allah and leave off trading; that is better for you, if you know.
[Pooya/Ali Commentary 62:9]

Yawmil jumu-ah literally means "the day of congregation."

As Makka is the most preferred city among all the places of the world, and Ramadan is of higher rank among an the months, similarly Friday is superior to the other six days of the week.

The Holy Prophet said:

"Friday is the best of all days of the week. Good done on Friday earns many rewards, while invocations made are accepted."

Friday is also known as:

(i) Yawm al Mawlud-The birthday of the Holy Prophet. Imam Mahdi al Qa-im was also born on Friday.

(ii) Yawm al Fazl-The day of grace.

(iii) Yawm al barkat-the day of blessings.

(iv) Yawm al ijabat-the day of acceptance of invocations and prayers.

(v) Yawm al id-The day of rejoicing.

(vi) Yawm al ghuzwa-The day of endeavour.

(vii) Yawm al Karamat-the day of honour.

(viii) Yawm al mazid-the day of abundance.

While migrating from Makka to Madina, the Holy Prophet made a halt at Quba, a place 3 miles away from Madina. On Friday he proceeded to Madina. When he entered the valley of Bani Salim bin Awf it was time for Friday prayers. A place was selected there as a temporary masjid, and after delivering a sermon he prayed Friday prayers.

The wise ordinances of Islam provide ample opportunities of social contact for the Muslims.

Each individual remembers Allah five times every day in the home or place of business or local masjid. On Friday, in every week, there is a local meeting in the central masjid of each local centre; it may be a village, or town or ward of a big city. At the two ids every year there is a local area meeting in one centre, the idgah. Once at least in a lifetime, a Muslim, having sufficient means, joins the vast international assemblage of the world, in the centre of Islam, at Kabah. The primary purpose in all the obligatory and optional forms of worship is the remembrance of glorification of Allah, but they also create spirit of unity, brotherhood and collective understanding and provide opportunities for mutual consultation and action.

The idea behind the Muslim weekly "day of assembly" is different from that of the Jewish Sabbath (Saturday) or the Christian Sunday. The Jewish Sabbath is primarily a commemoration of God's ending his work and resting on the seventh day (Genesis 2: 2; Exodus 20: 11). According to the Quran Allah needs no rest, nor does He feel fatigue (Baqarah: 255). The Jewish command forbids work on the day of Sabbath but says nothing about worship or prayer; but the Islamic ordinance lays stress on the remembrance of Allah. The Christian church had changed the Saturday to Sunday but inherited the Jewish spirit.

Islam says: "When the time for Jumu-ah prayer comes, discontinue every activity and answer the call to prayer, meet earnestly, pray, consult and learn by social contact; and when the meeting is over, scatter and go about your business."

Aqa Mahdi Puya says:

Although hastening to the remembrance of Allah has been ordained in this verse, but there is no mention of the form of prayer. It was the Holy Prophet, the divinely authorised authority on the Quran, who showed the people how to pray every type of salat. The details and the conditions of ibadat (worship), mamilat (all social and individual activities) and siyasiyat (collective living) are decided and finalised according to the sayings and doings of the Holy Prophet and his authorised successors, the Imams of the Ahl ul Bayt, which is known as Islamic jurisprudence.

The right to call to congregational prayer, according to the Holy Prophet and the Imams of Ahl ul Bayt rests with the just or the divinely appointed head of the Islamic state and his appointed deputies.


[Shakir 62:10] But when the prayer is ended, then disperse abroad in the land and seek of Allah's grace, and remember Allah much, that you may be successful.
[Pooya/Ali Commentary 62:10] (see commentary for verse 9)
[Shakir 62:11] And when they see merchandise or sport they break up for It, and leave you standing. Say: What is with Allah is better than sport and (better) than merchandise, and Allah is the best of Sustainers.
[Pooya/Ali Commentary 62:11]

The believers are admonished not to get distracted by involvement in amusement and worldly gain at the cost of their duty to Allah. Once when the Holy Prophet was offering the Friday prayers, a caravan entered the town singing, beating drums and playing musical instruments. According to Jabir, save twelve persons including Jabir, everyone who was in the congregation standing behind the Holy Prophet left the masjid and ran to witness the merry-making caravan and transact business with them. Thrice did the people behave like this, then this verse was revealed.

Aqa Mahdi Puya says

Compare this passage with the verse Nur: 37. According to Jabir, whenever the caravans came, all used to leave masjid save a very few.
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[Shakir 2:7] Allah has set a seal upon their hearts and upon their hearing and there is a covering over their eyes, and there is a great punishment for them.

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