Manipulation of 20:130

[turbocanuck]

http://www.quran-islam.org/260.html

The advocates of 5 Salat per day stumble when reading the Quran as they cannot find names of 5 salat in the Quran. As a matter of fact, the Quran contains only 3 names of Salat and they are:

- Salat al-Fajr (Dawn prayer)

- Salat al-Wusta (Middle prayer)

- Salat al-Esha (Night prayer)

We find no names such as salat al-Asr or salat al Maghrib or salat al Zhohr anywhere in the Quran. We know that the Quran is fully detailed:

"Shall I seek other than God as a source of law, when He has revealed to you this book which is fully detailed?" (6:114)

[turbocanuck]

The Wahhabi Deviant Dimwits would rather follow Hadith that was compiled 150 to 200 years after the Holy Prophet passed away The paak Rasool himself frowned upon his sayings being written........but then again, these are the same "nice" Muslims who would rather believe in some Sahaba Nutcase who reported the Paak Rasool do vile and filthy things.

[turbocanuck]

3 Prescribed Salaats and 2 periods of Allah's glorification.......Mashallah......no arguments there

[anajmi]

A letter from Hazrat Ali to his governors - from the Nahjul Balagha

Letter 52
A circular about prayers to the governors of all the provinces
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Lead the Zuhr prayer till the shadow of a wall becomes equal to the height of the wall, the Asr prayers can be performed till the sun is still bright and enough time of the day is left for a person to cover a distance of six miles. The Maghrib prayers should be performed when people break their fasts and when Hajj pilgrims return from Arafat. And the time for Ice (Isha) prayers is when the red glow of the even twilight disappears from the West, till one-third of the night is still left. The morning prayers are to be performed when there appears enough light of the dawn for a man to recognize the face of his companion.

While leading the prayers make them so short that the weakest among you may not feel tired to follow you and his strength and patience may not be over strained.

Can the Ismailis count from 1 to 5?

[turbocanuck]

Wahhabi Idiots are struggling, resorting to quoting from Hazrat Ali's Nahjul Balagah, the same Hazrat Ali and Imam Hussein whose murderous thugs are mentioned with respect with an "RA" aby Sunni Fascists like Zakir Naik..........

[turbocanuck]

Wahhabi Sunnis resorting to believing in Hazrat Ali!! how desperate........

[znanwalla]

Ismailis can count ofcourse and that is why you could not answer the questions I have raised...here answer them now and don't talk rubbish about "clocks"...

Now let us be very specific here.....let me know if ALL the muslims in ALL the countries they live in are able to ..." say the "Zuhr" (noon) prayers "with the people" (that is to say in congregation "when the shade of the wall of the GOATS' pen is equal to the wall"? Now this is quite specific direction from Ali and so unless you are able to exactly to do this, then you have not done so as directed and so you cannot convince me that this is what you are doing or following Ali's direction ?

Secondly Ali says..." Say the "asr" (afternoon prayers ) when the "sun is still shining" (in a portion of the day enough for covering the distance of "two farsakhs ( i.e. six miles)"....so are you sure you are doing this? or simply claiming you are following Ali? we all know you are known for lying !

Now what about your "Maghrib" (sunset)? Ali is again specific in this regard..."say maghrib prayers when he who is fasting, ends the fast and the pilgrim rushes "from arafat" to Mina....so confirm that you are pursuing this exactly the way you were directed and where is Arafat? and where is "Mina" ?

Okay now lets look at "Isha"? say this when the "twilight disappears"? does this happen uniformly everywhere and in all places and so how do you regulate all this? did you go back to ask Ali or his family or did your Mullahs make a ruling? or do all of you have your own home made adjustments?

And "say the prayers with the people as the weakest of them would do and not be a source of trouble to them?...so do you do this? and how? let us know....as far as I can see you are not following the specifications given by Ali and so your contention that the FIVE you follow is based on this is simply hyperbole and makes no sense as Ali is rather too specific in his design and order...and where is Arafat and Mina btw....

znan

[anajmi]

First you have to agree about 5 prayers. Then we will discuss the times.

[znanwalla]

What FIVE prayers ? I have shown you it is only your general practice - nothing more ! get lost and be hung up on it with your MF Mullah ! It has NO grounding in the Quran and anywhere else.....not in Ali's letter to a governor as a Caliph as this letter was not issued as an Imam, to begin with and is extremely specific in nature and you have not even been able to answer anything I have asked other than to talk of clocks manufactured by infidels to describe Ali's direction.....you are just barbaric morons and imbeciles having no clue of your roots or religion....go and smeel your piot latrine !...zn

[anajmi]

A letter from Hazrat Ali to his governors - from the Nahjul Balagha

Letter 52
A circular about prayers to the governors of all the provinces
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Lead the Zuhr prayer till the shadow of a wall becomes equal to the height of the wall, the Asr prayers can be performed till the sun is still bright and enough time of the day is left for a person to cover a distance of six miles. The Maghrib prayers should be performed when people break their fasts and when Hajj pilgrims return from Arafat. And the time for Ice (Isha) prayers is when the red glow of the even twilight disappears from the West, till one-third of the night is still left. The morning prayers are to be performed when there appears enough light of the dawn for a man to recognize the face of his companion.

While leading the prayers make them so short that the weakest among you may not feel tired to follow you and his strength and patience may not be over strained.

Can the Ismailis count from 1 to 5?

[znanwalla]

Now let us be very specific here.....let me know if ALL the muslims in ALL the countries they live in are able to ..." say the "Zuhr" (noon) prayers "with the people" (that is to say in congregation "when the shade of the wall of the GOATS' pen is equal to the wall"?

Now this is quite specific direction from Ali and so unless you are able to exactly to do this, then you have not done so as directed and so you cannot convince me that this is what you are doing or following Ali's direction ? Even your assumption that this amounts to FIVE and is restricted to FIVE holes is false and a myth of imbeciles like you and MF.

Secondly Ali says..." Say the "asr" (afternoon prayers ) when the "sun is still shining" (in a portion of the day enough for covering the distance of "two farsakhs ( i.e. six miles)"....so are you sure you are doing this? or simply claiming you are following Ali? we all know you are known for lying !

Now what about your "Maghrib" (sunset)? Ali is again specific in this regard..."say maghrib prayers when he who is fasting, ends the fast and the pilgrim rushes "from arafat" to Mina....so confirm that you are pursuing this exactly the way you were directed and where is Arafat? and where is "Mina" ?

Okay now lets look at "Isha"? say this when the "twilight disappears"? does this happen uniformly everywhere and in all places and so how do you regulate all this? did you go back to ask Ali or his family or did your Mullahs make a ruling? or do all of you have your own home made adjustments?

And "say the prayers with the people as the weakest of them would do and not be a source of trouble to them?...so do you do this? and how? let us know....as far as I can see you are not following the specifications given by Ali and so your contention that the FIVE holes you follow is based on this is simply hyperbole and makes no sense as Ali is rather too specific in his design and order...and where is Arafat and Mina btw....Looks like you are invoking IBLIS and that is why you behave like a Satan !

znan

[znanwalla]

"...Wahhabi Idiots are struggling, resorting to quoting from Hazrat Ali's Nahjul Balagah, the same Hazrat Ali and Imam Hussein whose murderous thugs are mentioned with respect with an "RA" aby Sunni Fascists like Zakir Naik.........."

Yes! for sure !Several verses in the Quran speak about the Light of God and Rope of Imamat which is a continuous chain (Hablillah) since Hazrat Adam, through all the Prophets including, Noah, Abraham, Moses, Jesus, Muhammad and after him through the hereditary Imams....Yet one moron says he follows Abraham for his FIVE holes...and the other nincompoop desperately shows me some letter to a governor because they could not find any other evidence or tarce of it in either their fabricated Quran Book or religious books....they make me laugh ! and when I ask them what else they believe about what Ali said and the dog begins to bark from his rear end....Imamat too is there since Abraham and only Iblis knows why they make false claims and display such self-righteous piety when they are from the pits....zn

[anajmi]

Several verses in the Quran speak about the Light of God and Rope of Imamat

That must be the hidden quran. Sorry we don't have access to that quran so we cannot corroborate.

As far as saying the prayer with the people is concerned, you have to first tell me what places you are talking about how many people there are and what is their height. And you have to tell me the color of the Goat you are referring to. Also, you have to tell me that the goat was not sacrificed during the Eid.

When the sun is still shining can you tell me what temperature it is? Is the sun in between Venus and jupiter or is pluto between neptune and mercury?

Can you also specify how the person got weak? Was he on a diet or did his wife leave him no food that day?

Also I need to figure out the shape of the hyperbole if it is the same as bolo hyper bolo or hyper bolo bolo.

[znanwalla]

Yes hidden from the enemies of the Holy prophet of islam and from the minnions of satan as described by OUR Prophet !....for sure it is hidden from beasts !...zn

[znanwalla]

You really want to talk about holes? then I show you the hole you belong to and its size?