WHY AS MUSTALI ISMAILIS DON'T USE KARBALA TORBA TO SUJUD?

[italianmumin]

Salamalykum
why we don't use a karbala torba to sujud like imami shias?
thanks

[italianmumin]

I know that ithna asheri muslims pray on a torba from karbala or al quds in honor of Imam Husayni,as, we don't, why?

[italianmumin]

nobody knows the reply?

[ghulam muhammed]

bro italianmumin,

Performing sujud on a torba during namaz is a 'ritual' followed by ithna ashari shias and as you know, every sect has some rituals which are exclusively performed by them and which may or may not be a part of other sects.

[Muslim First]

Why Prostrate on Karbala's Turba
http://www.al-islam.org/beliefs/practices/turba.htm



When shias go on hajj, do they bow their head on a piece of clay like in Iranian shia masjids?
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index ... 115AA0eKJG

[Muslim First]

Where did the Turba prayer thing originate?
Who was the person, Imam, that started this practice?

Did Muhammed use Turba?


The Holy Prophet (s.a.w) used to pray on dust or clay.

According to Shia jurisprudence a Sajdah is valid only if performed on one of the following substances:

All that is the part of earth, like soil, sand and marble.

All that grows out of the earth but not used for eating or dressing. For example, wood and palm leaves.

Paper.

The above laws are based on the authentic tradition of the Messenger of Allah (s.a.w.s) and his purified household (Ahle Bayt [a.s.])

I'm including some hadiths by Bukhari that show that the Holy Prophet (saw) used to prostrate on clay.

The Prophet (s.a.w.s.) said, "The earth has been appointed as a pure place of prostration (Sajdah)." The Messenger of Allah (s.a.w.s.) considered performing of Sajdah on other things besides earth to be detestable.

It was seen of the Holy Prophet (s.a.w.s.) that his forehead and nose was smeared in mud due to Sajdah. He did not permit his companions to do Sajdah on anything else, as mentioned in some traditions. When these people complained that the sand of the Mosque was hot he told them to keep it in their hands to cool it and then do Sajdah on it. If it had been allowed to do Sajdah on other things they would never have asked, and the Holy Prophet (s.a.w.s.) also would have advised them to do Sajdah on carpet or durry etc.

(Musnad Ahmad Vol. 1, Pg. 388)

Yes. It is apparent from the traditions that Allah the Almighty permitted the Prophet (s.a.w.s.) and the Muslims to prostrate upon vegetation if it is not generally used for eating and weaving. So the Messenger of Allah (s.a.w.s) made for himself a Khumra. It was small piece knitted palm leaves.

(Sahih Bukhari Vol. 1, Pg. 9, Kitabul Haiz)

Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri:

I saw Allah�s Apostle prostrating on mud and water and saw the mark of mud on his forehead.

(Sahih Bukhari Volume 1, Hadith 798)

Narrates Abdullah bin Shaddad:

Maimuna said, "Allah�s Apostle was praying while I was in my menses, sitting beside him and sometimes his clothes would touch me during his prostration." Maimuna added, "He prayed on a Khumra (a small mat sufficient just for the face and the hands while prostrating during prayers).
(Sahih Bukhari Volume 1, Hadith 376)

But the earth remains as the best alternative for prostrating and expressing ones submission to the greatness of Allah the glorified. And the Shia Muslims desire to do Sajdah on the earth that is the most blessed and glorified in the whole world. And that is the soil of Karbala, blessed by the presence of Imam Husain (a.s.)s tomb. And then the soil of Khorasan (Iran) blessed by the tomb of Imam Ali

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index ... 511AAIPtCS

[italianmumin]

ok thanks this is what ithna ashari brothers think but why Aqa Mowla (TUS) style is not like them?

[Muslim First]

ok thanks this is what ithna ashari brothers think but why Aqa Mowla (TUS) style is not like them?

Go ask your Amil or Bhai Saheb or Shaikh.
Please let us know the answer.

[italianmumin]

ok thanks this is what ithna ashari brothers think but why Aqa Mowla (TUS) style is not like them?

Go ask your Amil or Bhai Saheb or Shaikh.
Please let us know the answer.

My Amil is too far from me and to know the answer I should pay a phone call, we are 1000 km far so that's why I posted here this topic

[Muslim First]

Do ask him when you see him for Zakat and Wajibat accounting.