The Iron Grasp of the High Priest - Tehelka article

[S. Insaf]

Dawoodi Bohras have always been known for their business gene. But few know they are being choked by a tyrannical and all-powerful religious
head. ANUMEHA YADAV reports how every attempt to rein him in is crushed...
Read full article here >

[Conscíous]

very good article

[ghulam muhammed]

The ar@e licking zaada :-

This February, when the Syedna turned 100, one of his seven sons, Huzefa Mohiuddin, walked in for the celebrations in
Ahmedabad with Chief Minister Narendra Modi and BJp leaders Vijay rupani, Asit Vohra and Jayanti Barot. Inside the brightly- lit hall, Mohiuddin praised governance in ‘vibrant Gujarat’. Modi related anecdotes about his closeness with the Syedna over the years. Cell phone cameras clicked.

Jointly holding the knife, Modi and Mohiuddin cut a cake to chants of Allaho- Akbar, and congratulated each other.

ANUMEHA YADAV reports how every attempt to rein him in is crushed...
Read full article here >

SHAME ON THESE FRAUDULENT ENEMIES OF ISLAM !!!!!

[truebohra]

In gist. The article summarized to

its official from the Horse mouth...

"He acknowledges that the underground movement is dead. “Hundreds used
to collect in secret meetings in Ahmedabad,
Indore, Kolkata. Now 10-15 people turn up"

What a pity, earlier 100 from more than a million strong community and now 10-15 tch.. tch tch....

[aqs]

In gist. The article summarized to

its official from the Horse mouth...

"He acknowledges that the underground movement is dead. “Hundreds used
to collect in secret meetings in Ahmedabad,
Indore, Kolkata. Now 10-15 people turn up"

What a pity, earlier 100 from more than a million strong community and now 10-15 tch.. tch tch....

Br. TB,

rest of them joined the fold back, when their highly publicized once in a three year meeting cant collect a couple of thousand supporters that too in their so called strong hold then forget about underground meetings.

and as you might have already noticed that this should be a paid article where only their office holders give their version of things and dont talk about anything positive.

[S. Insaf]

this should be a paid article

Teheka is not Bombay Samachar that Quid Johar could buy recently giving them promise to lift social boycott of the paper and concidrable monitory support with one condition, to stop "Vohra Vertaman' column. I had met the owner and the editor and heard it from horse's mouth.

[ultofanatic]

Choking off of sane democratic discussion and objective dialogue is not a matter of celebration. However religious, forward looking,wealthy & smart the community may be, it is indeed a sad state where sane/logical voices are supposed to shut up just because they are trampling on somebody's foot - the community and its members' and their feelings can go to hell. Greed for money & power has wreaked havoc and pushed the limits of bohra endurance.

Why is the proclamation of love for the Dai so important? Why should everything and everyone be black & white and nothing in between. Even the Pope and his administration have their dissenters. Open debates and frank discussions are held for and against any matter that warrants doubt. Nobody is taken to task just because he or she is opposed to certain events or actions of the Pope as long as they keep within the rules of democracy. They have the democratic right to their own beliefs and thoughts.

Outwardly we may look like a healthy and vibrant section of the society. But ultimately the frustration may get too much & turn the tide whether the Progressives or the Believers want it or not. There will come a time when the unnatural accumulation of wealth and power itself will bring about the collapse notwithstanding the rich history and hard toil of our past Dais and community leaders to keep the community thriving & together.

But, till such time there is only one word for the mess we are in - TRAGIC.

[progticide]

This article is nothing but an Obituary for the Reform Movement. Ajger's comments are nothing more than condolence message for this extinct species called Reform. The elements still lurking around are merely fossil remnants of this movement.

What is clearly visible to any sane and reasonable individual from the photos published in this article is the glory, fame, holiness and spirituality of the office of the Dai-e-Mutlaq Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin (TUS).

Moral of the Story;
Phaanoos bankar hifaazat jiski hawa kare
Woh shama kya bujhe jise roshan Khuda kare

[ultofanatic]

His Holiness looks and has a lot of spirituality, glory and fame. But why should it have come at the cost curbing the rights of individuals, by throttling the right to speak about any injustice, by demanding and expecting salaams as if it is their birthright, by manipulating the minds (specially women) into believing that the whole world is going around only by his Dua. Why should it not have come by genuine means ?

At what cost has this "great" achievement come ?

By dumbing down the sensibilities of innocent bohras and curbing their rights to speak out their legitimate complaints is not an achievement that one can be proud of at the end of ones life.

[aqs]

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[aqs]

this should be a paid article

Teheka is not Bombay Samachar that Quid Johar could buy recently giving them promise to lift social boycott of the paper and concidrable monitory support with one condition, to stop "Vohra Vertaman' column. I had met the owner and the editor and heard it from horse's mouth.

So you mean to say Bombay Samachar was a sold out paper. That explains the column on behest of your cronies.

And why did you meet them, to renegotiate the deal in face of some alleged new offer from Kothar.

[accountability]

Aqs if it is ture that some one bribed a newspaper to publish their version, then it is very pathetic situation. where is the integerity or honesty in religion. I know Jamat bribes people all the time everywhere, but this is stooping too low. Relgious heirarchy should maintain a least degree of honesty.
It is not that the reformist movement is dead or has become redundant, prefrences have shifted. Young generation is not involved. There is a political reason, there aren't any collective isms around. though for time being it is proving beneficial to the forces of status quo, but a big vaccum is being created. things explode in vaccum too fast.
in our case when the hypnosis will end, it will be very chaotic. Look Mazoon Saheb is not on board, an open secret. How will you justify dawat without mazoon, again go back to zahirbatin drama, which also flopped. Though Mazoon saheb do not carry much wieght in running day to day affairs of jamat, but he has all the wieght of Mazoon in his scale. It wont be easier to dismiss Mazoon because then the whole continuity will be at stake. If he was to be removed it has to be with permission and ilham of imam uz zaman. Syedna saheb will not remove his brother. Syedi Muffaddal Bhaisaheb can not claim to have ilham or raza in the presence of incumbent Dai.

[Humsafar]

aqs, I suggest that mafia clergy should bribe Tehelka to write an article praising Sayedna sahib. But if that were too blatant (which I very much doubt) then at least an article attacking reformists. That wouldn't be so hard. You guys must know how to play the media, just bribing corrupt politicians is no enough. You must have a comprehensive marketing/survival strategy. Ignoring the media is not good for your brand. Just my two cents...

[ghulam muhammed]

What is clearly visible to any sane and reasonable individual from the photos published in this article is the glory, fame, holiness and spirituality of the office of the Dai-e-Mutlaq Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin (TUS).
Moral of the Story;

Phaanoos bankar hifaazat jiski hawa kare

Woh shama kya bujhe jise roshan Khuda kare

"Diya Bujhne se Pehle sabse zyada timtimata hai aur us waqt uski roshni sabse zyada hoti hai"..... Seconds before it extinguishes, the lamp emanates maximum light, this is the sign that the lamp is about to extinguish....... some people think that the light is at its peak whereas it is a sign that it is going to die down very soon !!! Different perspectives but the truth is one which cannot change.

[fearAllah]

What is clearly visible to any sane and reasonable individual from the photos published in this article is the glory, fame, holiness and spirituality of the office of the Dai-e-Mutlaq Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin (TUS).
Moral of the Story;

Phaanoos bankar hifaazat jiski hawa kare

Woh shama kya bujhe jise roshan Khuda kare

"Diya Bujhne se Pehle sabse zyada timtimata hai aur us waqt uski roshni sabse zyada hoti hai"..... Seconds before it extinguishes, the lamp emanates maximum light, this is the sign that the lamp is about to extinguish....... some people think that the light is at its peak whereas it is a sign that it is going to die down very soon !!! Different perspectives but the truth is one which cannot change.

Really liked this one, unfortunately the Deaf Dumb Blind (Summun Bukmun Umyun) will never understand!!

[fearAllah]

Moral of the Story;
Phaanoos bankar hifaazat jiski hawa kare
Woh shama kya bujhe jise roshan Khuda kare

Yeah true but afsos Burhanuddin's shama is roshan'ed by Iblees, a classic example of Pharoah!

[truebohra]

What is clearly visible to any sane and reasonable individual from the photos published in this article is the glory, fame, holiness and spirituality of the office of the Dai-e-Mutlaq Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin (TUS).
Moral of the Story;

Phaanoos bankar hifaazat jiski hawa kare

Woh shama kya bujhe jise roshan Khuda kare

"Diya Bujhne se Pehle sabse zyada timtimata hai aur us waqt uski roshni sabse zyada hoti hai"..... Seconds before it extinguishes, the lamp emanates maximum light, this is the sign that the lamp is about to extinguish....... some people think that the light is at its peak whereas it is a sign that it is going to die down very soon !!! Different perspectives but the truth is one which cannot change.

GM , Remember this Diya is roshan for last 900 years from Sayedna Zoeb (r.a) there have been many storms but it is still going strong. Many have come & opposed Dawat & went to be forgotten in the annals of history. But Dawat remains.

Muddai Lakh Bura Chahe to kya hota hai...
Wohi hota hai jo manzure Khuda hota hai....

[Humsafar]

But Dawat remains.

Yes, the dawat still remains but the question is in what state and to what purpose. Enough has been written and documented on the religious perversion and moral bankruptcy of this dawat - it is an affront to 900 years of Ismaili/bohra heritage. Quoting cute shayri in no way justifies all the bad things that are going on in the dawat. The shama of all the great and mighty have gone out sooner or later. Khuda's roshni and Khuda's manzuri ultimately lies with truth not blind faith. And the reform movement is very much alive and kicking thanks to Khuda's roshni and Khuda's manzuri.
People like and aqs and progticide are very fond of writing obituaries for the reform movement. And as always, with the limited understanding of the movement, they get the wrong end of the stick. All they care about is the reform movement as an organisation and the number of people associated with it. Although those things are important, to an extent, the truth of the reformist cause does not inherently depend on those things. Even if I were the last reformist standing, the charges that the dawat is corrupt and that sayenda sahib's practices are contrary to the tenets of Islam and bohra faith will still remain valid. And this is what that matters and this what the abdes don't want to talk about. They avoid principles and instead concentrate on principals. Shouting from rooftops how few and far between reformists are seems to be their only winning argument. They seek validity and security in numbers, but they forget that by the same token, in the larger Muslim context, the very same validity and security is shattered to pieces.

[porus]

GM , Remember this Diya is roshan for last 900 years from Sayedna Zoeb (r.a) there have been many storms but it is still going strong. Many have come & opposed Dawat & went to be forgotten in the annals of history. But Dawat remains.

Muddai Lakh Bura Chahe to kya hota hai...
Wohi hota hai jo manzure Khuda hota hai....

Let us all wish that Da'awat continues to light a flame till Qayaamat. However, longevity is not an argument for 'truth'.

Earth came into existence 5 billion years ago. First man-like creature walked the earth only 3 million years ago. Humans, as we know them today, came into existence a mere 100,000 years ago. And our historical records do not date back earlier than about 6,000 years.

900 years are not even a blink for Allah. Many civilization have come and gone without trace. New ancient civilizations are discovered by archeologists all the time. Religions have come and gone too.

What appears to have remained intact is a Neanderthal arrogance of modern abdes who think that they are an exception to the inevitable march of history and its process.

[hello52]

But Dawat remains.

Yes, the dawat still remains but the question is in what state and to what purpose. Enough has been written and documented on the religious perversion and moral bankruptcy of this dawat - it is an affront to 900 years of Ismaili/bohra heritage. Quoting cute shayri in no way justifies all the bad things that are going on in the dawat. The shama of all the great and mighty have gone out sooner or later. Khuda's roshni and Khuda's manzuri ultimately lies with truth not blind faith. And the reform movement is very much alive and kicking thanks to Khuda's roshni and Khuda's manzuri.
People like and aqs and progticide are very fond of writing obituaries for the reform movement. And as always, with the limited understanding of the movement, they get the wrong end of the stick. All they care about is the reform movement as an organisation and the number of people associated with it. Although those things are important, to an extent, the truth of the reformist cause does not inherently depend on those things. Even if I were the last reformist standing, the charges that the dawat is corrupt and that sayenda sahib's practices are contrary to the tenets of Islam and bohra faith will still remain valid. And this is what that matters and this what the abdes don't want to talk about. They avoid principles and instead concentrate on principals. Shouting from rooftops how few and far between reformists are seems to be their only winning argument. They seek validity and security in numbers, but they forget that by the same token, in the larger Muslim context, the very same validity and security is shattered to pieces.

ok ,if you say so...
but then can you prove him that he is not the real dai appointed by the imam uz zamman...?????
in quran its said that there will be no time on earth when a messenger from the allah would not be present on earth to guid people...

where is the true dai appointed by the imam uz zamman ....
why he is not claimming the position of the dai which the present syedna is occupying?????

atleast during the period of 27th dai syedna dawood bin ibrahim there where manny people whom claimed to be the dai and thus dividing the community for the first time but what happenned the truth prevailed and the position at which we are and the total no of followers 27 th dai has others did not ...

do you remmember the story of prophet moses

the people of eygpt had seen th e miracles of prophet and the power of allah but then to many times they rejected him of being the messenger ..

the same history is repeating itself again you people are rejecting the true dai ....

i tell you one thing if you all reformist can do then ....

go and uprise against the present dai .
challenge him ...you have media to challenge and manny things in todays world ...

just taking here will give you people nothing.....
tell him to prove to you that he his the dai then atleast you will keep your mouth shut

and no one will agree to your points unless you are able to satisfactorilly prove yourselfs.

you people say that they bribe the people then whom has stoped you you all people gather and bribe some politiance and then challenge him ...

its better you bpeople do some concret work instead of just bloging.....

[Humsafar]

hello52, the issue is not about true or false dai.

[anajmi]

in quran its said that there will be no time on earth when a messenger from the allah would not be present on earth to guid people...

Can you please point out the Surah and the ayah where it says this?

[ghulam muhammed]

can you prove him that he is not the real dai appointed by the imam uz zamman...?????

Can YOU prove that he is the real dai who has been appointed by Imam-uz-zaman ? Have you seen the imam conferring daiship to him or were you present at the ceremony ? Your answer will be "because the dai claims that he has been appointed by imam you believe it", you have no logical reasons but only the dai's words to believe him inspite of the fact that the 51st dai appointed the current 52nd dai much much before he died i.e. almost 25 years before his death....... Now here do you question as to how and why did imam order the 51st dai to bestow daiship to Burhanuddinsaab almost 25 years before the actual event was to take place. This is a clear example that the decision to confer daiship is solely that of the previous dai and that the imam-uz-zaman giving orders etc. is nothing but an eyewash. This business of daiship is pure dynastical.

[SBM]

in quran its said that there will be no time on earth when a messenger from the allah would not be present on earth to guid people...

If that is true then what is DAUR OF SATAR which we Bohras always talk about. Our Imam is in hiding and do you have any proof that he is present on Earth to guide people. Please do not tell me that our Dai is getting Ilham because that is not what you quoted.(Dai is not Messenger from Allah). Please do not hide behind Tawil nu Bayan

[aqs]

Aqs if it is ture that some one bribed a newspaper to publish their version, then it is very pathetic situation. where is the integerity or honesty in religion. I know Jamat bribes people all the time everywhere, but this is stooping too low. Relgious heirarchy should maintain a least degree of honesty.

Accty,

I think you missed the point. I was not talking about Kothar but progs on bribing newspapers to bring out their version of truth, case in point is Tehelka article which only talks about so called negatives of the community and has only put forward the version of office holders of progs.

It is not that the reformist movement is dead or has become redundant, prefrences have shifted. Young generation is not involved. There is a political reason, there aren't any collective isms around. though for time being it is proving beneficial to the forces of status quo, but a big vaccum is being created. things explode in vaccum too fast.
in our case when the hypnosis will end, it will be very chaotic.

Reformist movement has lost its sheen and reach, its already a dead movement, no matter how much Humsafar wants us to believe that its alive and ticking but no one is buying that line any more. What they are left is a group of innocent people who are hostage to egos of their leaders.

Look Mazoon Saheb is not on board, an open secret. How will you justify dawat without mazoon, again go back to zahirbatin drama, which also flopped. Though Mazoon saheb do not carry much wieght in running day to day affairs of jamat, but he has all the wieght of Mazoon in his scale. It wont be easier to dismiss Mazoon because then the whole continuity will be at stake. If he was to be removed it has to be with permission and ilham of imam uz zaman. Syedna saheb will not remove his brother. Syedi Muffaddal Bhaisaheb can not claim to have ilham or raza in the presence of incumbent Dai.

Br. no one is bothered about what any one thinks, for a normal mumin Syedna(tus) doing nass is enough. if some one is not on board then its their problem.

[aqs]

aqs, I suggest that mafia clergy should bribe Tehelka to write an article praising Sayedna sahib. But if that were too blatant (which I very much doubt) then at least an article attacking reformists. That wouldn't be so hard. You guys must know how to play the media, just bribing corrupt politicians is no enough. You must have a comprehensive marketing/survival strategy. Ignoring the media is not good for your brand. Just my two cents...

Humsafar, Who knows Kothar might already be heading to your advice. I always knew that you and kothar think very much on each others line. I hope these gems will tickle down more in future.

[truebohra]

But Dawat remains.

Yes, the dawat still remains but the question is in what state and to what purpose. Enough has been written and documented on the religious perversion and moral bankruptcy of this dawat - it is an affront to 900 years of Ismaili/bohra heritage. Quoting cute shayri in no way justifies all the bad things that are going on in the dawat. The shama of all the great and mighty have gone out sooner or later. Khuda's roshni and Khuda's manzuri ultimately lies with truth not blind faith. And the reform movement is very much alive and kicking thanks to Khuda's roshni and Khuda's manzuri.
People like and aqs and progticide are very fond of writing obituaries for the reform movement. And as always, with the limited understanding of the movement, they get the wrong end of the stick. All they care about is the reform movement as an organisation and the number of people associated with it. Although those things are important, to an extent, the truth of the reformist cause does not inherently depend on those things. Even if I were the last reformist standing, the charges that the dawat is corrupt and that sayenda sahib's practices are contrary to the tenets of Islam and bohra faith will still remain valid. And this is what that matters and this what the abdes don't want to talk about. They avoid principles and instead concentrate on principals. Shouting from rooftops how few and far between reformists are seems to be their only winning argument. They seek validity and security in numbers, but they forget that by the same token, in the larger Muslim context, the very same validity and security is shattered to pieces.

Dawat doesn't need winning arguments. It is like you accept it or reject it. There would always be many reasons of acceptance & rejection it depends on which you want to believe & have faith in. Its not about bohra faith its for all religion including Islam. There are many reason & so called facts put by the opponents of Islam to justify it as a religion of intolerant and Muslims have many reasons & faith to believe in its rightness.
The majestic Quran and its teaching believing in it could also be termed as blind faith.
Creation of World in Seven Days, Believing Adam to be the first person on earth, The Nuh nabi & the great flood, Mohammed (S.AW) ascend to 7th sky on the day of Meraj believing in all these could be blind faith as today's science & rational thinking cannot accept it. Don't you believe in this & why?
Similarly The Imams seclusion. Its a article of faith for Dawoodi Bohras and we dont need any proof to believe it. and again people representing the Reform movement needs proof of imams seclusion & ridicule it. Its irony that the belief defines the Dawoodi Bohra faith and the people who are supposedly trying hard to claim the true Dawoodi Bohras are opposing the same.

[Humsafar]

truebohra, what are you going on and and about? Please read my post again.

Humsafar, Who knows Kothar might already be heading to your advice. I always knew that you and kothar think very much on each others line. I hope these gems will tickle down more in future.

aqs, I know you deliberately ignored the sarcasm in my post. Reformists do not have enough money to pay their legal fees where will they have money to bribe journalists. On the other hand, the your masters - the kohtar - throws money around all the time to buy fame and fovour, so let them try and buy a favourable article in a credible journal like Tehelka and see if Tehelka can be bought. And if you succeed please report here, I'll eat crow.

[hello52]

can you prove him that he is not the real dai appointed by the imam uz zamman...?????

Can YOU prove that he is the real dai who has been appointed by Imam-uz-zaman ? Have you seen the imam conferring daiship to him or were you present at the ceremony ? Your answer will be "because the dai claims that he has been appointed by imam you believe it", you have no logical reasons but only the dai's words to believe him inspite of the fact that the 51st dai appointed the current 52nd dai much much before he died i.e. almost 25 years before his death....... Now here do you question as to how and why did imam order the 51st dai to bestow daiship to Burhanuddinsaab almost 25 years before the actual event was to take place. This is a clear example that the decision to confer daiship is solely that of the previous dai and that the imam-uz-zaman giving orders etc. is nothing but an eyewash. This business of daiship is pure dynastical.

by the way then tell me did you or any one in this world see or hear the prophet hood being conferred upon the nabi mohammed... from allah
you will say that from where did i bring the nabi here ...the same is the case with the dai ...
but we believed in him because he proved him and showed the powers of allah to the people of that time...
but i say we have not seen him ,neither his miracles or any thing.then????
but i believe in his prophet hood strongly because my ancestors told me.....
and he his who told us who is allah ?
what he likes and dislikes?
without him we would have never known who allah is ?
so some or the other one is needed to tell us.

if he he would not have been there then we would have been praying the idols of stone, gold and silver ......
secondly you also mean that the dais from syedna zoeb (ra) to the syedna mohammed burhanuddin (tus) all are not the true dai as no one has seen the imam uz zamman confering the daiship on any one...
but in all the above case we believe

i must ask you all what wrong has he done personally to you all has he taken your house or robed you or did any thing ....
he personally did not do any thing to you ...
why do you blame him...

if you people dont want to accept him as dai then let it be who has forced you people to believe in him ...
just leave him aside in his world ....and you be in your own world....happy


and to accept any thing its not alwalys neccesary that you should have seen it by ur own eyes or some body must have seen that thing there are exceptions!!!!!!!!!!
and in my earlier post also i said that nobody has stoped you people from bribing any one .....
just go and bribe some politician and file the case agaisnt the syedna ...he will ans you people there...
go and ask for help from aliasgar enggineer your leader he will help you ....
tell him to file a case ....and why has he stoped commenting on the syedna nowadays ..what happened to him now ..
you people know very much about him that whom he has bribed and whom he has not than just get this people to speak againt him in court ...
we live in democratic country you have the freedom of expression, speech and knowledge.

[hello52]

in quran its said that there will be no time on earth when a messenger from the allah would not be present on earth to guid people...

Can you please point out the Surah and the ayah where it says this?

here it is



The Quran clearly states there is an "Imam" - Leader for every qawm.

يوم ندعوا كل أناس بإمامهم (Surah Isra Ayat 71)
(We shall summon all men with their leader "Imam")

إنما أنت منذر * ولكل قوم هاد (Surah Ra'd Ayat 7)
You (Speaking to Rasulullah S.A.W) are only a warner to the disbelievers, and for every qawm there is a guide/haadi/leader.